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Bergmann Offensive
You undid my 20 August 2022 revision. I made this change by using both Turkish and Russian sources. If you can revoke "undid" task, I suggest you revoke because writing again is time wasting. If you don't find the changes I have made reliable, I have explained the sources of my changes below.

I changed 40,000 Russian Casualties to 7,000 from Russian sources. Turkish sources doesn't give number of Russian casualties number (I don't see any eye witness Turkish sources says Russian casualties is 40,000) but Köprülü Şerif İlden says Russian casualties is smaller than their casualties, he says Turkish army melted their sources with vain frontal attacks. Ali İhsan Sabis is only Turkish sources who gives number of Turkish casualties which is 10,000 except deserters. Therefore, we can say that Russian 7,000 casualties number is reliable. However, both sides doesn't give number of deserters correctly, probably in the hope of fugitives might be assembled later.

Using Turkish sources, I determined that at least 20,000 soldiers deserted on the Ottoman side before the battles. Since the number of Armenian and Kurdish soldiers in the 11th Corps was high, the number of deserters was even higher in the 11th Corps. The number of soldiers of the 33rd Division, which had a large number of Armenian soldiers, was reduced to 3,000. Although the initial number of soldiers of the 33rd Division is not mentioned in the sources, we know that there were at least 10,000 in each Ottoman division, except for the 13th Corps. This means that at least 70% of the 33rd Division deserted. The amount of deserters in other divisions is around 20-30 percent. From here, we can deduce there were at least 20,000 fugitives from the Ottoman army. Using the same method in Russian sources, I found the amount of fugitives 5,000. The size of each battalion of the Caucasus Corps (30 battalions) has decreased from 1250-1300 men to 1000 men. This means 7500-9000 losses. Apart from that, the number of 125-130 cavalry squadron (sotni in Russian) in 36 Russian sotni decreased to 100 cavalry. This means 900-1080 casualties. Adding an estimate of the casualties of the 2 Plaston brigades (11 Battalions) and the 2nd Turkestan Corps (21 Battalions), I estimated the total loss of the Russians at 12,000. Since the combat loss is 7,000, it should be 5,000 deserter from Russian Army.

In short, I wrote all of this information based on Turkish and Russian sources by comparing all sources with each other. It is impossible for the Russians to suffer 40,000 casualties anyway, because the total Russian army was around 50 thousand soldiers, with reinforcements number approached to 70,000 in the last days of the battle. 40,000 casualties means the army was completely destroyed. However, both Russian and Turkish sources write that the combat losses of both sides were small. Therefore, it is necessary to admit that, apart from the fugitives, the Turks lost 10,000 (30,000 with deserters) and the Russians 7,000 (12,000 with deserters). Tartridrad (talk) 12:31, 4 October 2022 (UTC)