User talk:86.187.231.157

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Discussion about Timur's Ethnicity
Hello Kansas Bear,

I noticed that the same references provided in the article describe Timur as Persian and also mention the royal dynasty he created in that context. I believe that using the term "Persian" provides a clearer historical context for readers who might not be familiar with the intricacies of the era. My intention behind the edits is to reflect the content of the references accurately and provide clarity for readers.

I understand that Wikipedia values consensus and accuracy, so I'm keen to understand your perspective. Could we discuss the sources and potentially find a wording that accurately captures the historical nuances while respecting Wikipedia's guidelines?

Looking forward to a constructive conversation.

Best regards


 * From the Timur article, "He was a member of the Barlas, a Mongolian tribe...". I have not seen any sources stating Timur was of Persian ethnicity.
 * From the Timurid dynasty article, "The origin of the Timurid dynasty goes back to the Mongol tribe known as Barlas, who were remnants of the original Mongol army of Genghis Khan." --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:03, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Nahid Mirza
Hello Ohnoitsjamie, I've been reviewing the references provided in the article about Nahid Mirza, and I've observed that none of them conclusively state a relation to Bhutto. I believe it's crucial for the accuracy and integrity of Wikipedia that we ensure all content is well-sourced and represents the provided references faithfully. Given this, I'm concerned that the current mention of a relation to Bhutto might be inaccurate and potentially misleading for readers. I'd appreciate it if we could discuss this matter further, review the sources collectively, and arrive at a consensus about the most accurate representation. I understand the importance of maintaining the accuracy and neutrality of Wikipedia, and I'm hopeful we can collaborate to ensure the content aligns with these principles. Looking forward to your insights and feedback. Best regards, 86.187.231.157 (talk) 16:46, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Though the link is no longer live, the archive of at least one ref says that they were cousins. I don't feel like it's a particularly contentious assertion.OhNo itsJamie Talk 18:14, 12 September 2023 (UTC)