User talk:87.9.56.181

Dick Schoof
Hi, I agree it would be best if we could use the official portrait of Dick Schoof. But we can't. The Dutch government does not allow us to use it, because they dont allow a sufficiently free license. The image will be removed soon from Commons again. So please stop putting the image back. Dajasj (talk) 12:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't understand. How can be this OFFICIAL portrait be under copyright (one would think it's public, no?) meanwile the ones from all the other countries are freely used on the site (USA, UK, Italy, Spain etc.)??? In the official site of the government it says "Central government expressly reserves all rights to the photographs in this section. The photographs MAY HOWEVER be downloaded and used for editorial purposes by NEWS MEDIA, for display in public places, for private use and for EDUCATIONAL purposes." (you can find it here: https://www.government.nl/government/members-of-cabinet/dick-schoof/photo) 87.9.56.181 (talk) 12:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * How? 87.9.56.181 (talk) 12:59, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Just because it is allowed in other countries (or in the Netherlands in the past) does not mean it is allowed now. Please take a look at Licensing. The most problematic requirement is: "Commercial use of the work must be allowed." And what you quote implies that commercial use is not allowed. So that's why it will be removed, again. Dajasj (talk) 13:26, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The site clearly says that it can be used for educational purposes. And, let's be honest, that photo sucks 87.9.56.181 (talk) 13:56, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is education, right? 87.9.56.181 (talk) 14:04, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, Wikipedia might be educational. But there is a rule that we only use images that can be freely used, which includes commercial use. The license that is claimed on Commons (where it is uploaded) is simply false. That's why it will be removed. Dajasj (talk) 14:07, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Then why is Mark Rutte's portrait (the previous dutch PM) present on the site? Suddenly, the Dutch government said: "UHMM, Let's put a copyright on the portraight of public figuers. yEAh, it's seems about right" I really don't get it. 87.9.56.181 (talk) 14:12, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That's literally what happened. You can also see it at the bottom of nl:Lijst van Nederlandse kabinetten, they stopped allowing the reuse of bordes scene images. You can't blame us for simply following the law and honoring copright. If you disagree, feel free to e-mail them (which Dutch Wikipedians have also tried, see nl:Wikipedia:Auteursrechtencafé). Dajasj (talk) 14:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * so, when I upload it I just need to put the right license? Is there a license that respects that conditions? 87.9.56.181 (talk) 14:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no license that fits both the requirements of the Dutch government and of Mediawiki Commons, because the Dutch government does not allow commercial reuse. Dajasj (talk) 14:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Btw, I want to notify you of this request. Dajasj (talk) 14:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Then why someone doesn't create a new license that forbid the commercial use? 87.9.56.181 (talk) 14:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Those licenses exist, but we don't allow them within Wikipedia/Commons, see Commons:Commons:Licensing/Justifications for justification. Dajasj (talk) 14:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The page doesn't exist, it says. 87.9.56.181 (talk) 14:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Then why doens't wikicommons allow it? There is no reason 87.9.56.181 (talk) 14:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Mah... it's absurd on the dutch government's behalf. The freaking United Kingdom allows you to use the PM portrait however you like. 87.9.56.181 (talk) 14:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, linking to Commons is annoying, see Commons:Commons:Licensing/Justifications Dajasj (talk) 14:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I still don't get where is the problem on having a non-commercial licence 87.9.56.181 (talk) 14:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Its explained on the page I linked. If you disagree, feel free to start a discussion on Commons. Uploading a file with an incorrect license is simply not acceptable. Dajasj (talk) 14:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * How can i change the mind of a site? 87.9.56.181 (talk) 14:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The reason is only "eh, it's because then you couldn't put it in books and stuff" 87.9.56.181 (talk) 14:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thats correct. We are working on freely available content, not just Wikipedia. Dajasj (talk) 14:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Start a discussion, reach consensus or put to a vote Dajasj (talk) 14:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It's undeniable that the current photo for Schoof is 1) ugly 2) doesn't reflect the modern look 87.9.56.181 (talk) 14:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Why is the dutch government so jealous of their photos? Are they against wikipedia? I really don't get it 87.9.56.181 (talk) 14:59, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you agree that the government of the netherlands is jealous of their photos, for some illogical reason? 87.9.56.181 (talk) 15:07, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that they should release it under a free license, but I cant change it unfortunately Dajasj (talk) 15:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * At least can i use it for private purposes? Like, i want to put in a list of the leaders of the european countries, on MS Word Weber Johnson (talk) 15:12, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, locally you can use it. Dajasj (talk) 15:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I hope the Netherland's gov. changes their mind about limitig the use of photos of such important public figuers (heck, even the USA let you use the president's image) Weber Johnson (talk) 15:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Mah... Weber Johnson (talk) 15:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * what a strange world Weber Johnson (talk) 15:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)