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Proposed deletion of Sufi Nashinu


The article Sufi Nashinu has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * I can find no mention of this religion in reliable sources and the only sourcing in this article is to other Wikipedia articles. All Google hits are either partial copies of this article or spam links that do not contain the phrase "Sufi Nashinu" at all. Possible hoax?

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Sufi Nashinu
It is not proven in the sources (possibly except for ref. 1).

ref. 1) I do not have currently access to this book as it's absent from my uni's library, so I cannot verify this. Is all the data in this article included in this book? All other references seem irrelevant.

ref. 2) The relevant information is backed only by the article in question. So basically no outer reference

ref. 3) The article in question is linked on that page. Nothing more.

ref. 4) OK, Brahma-Svetovid can be postulated (even though it's not mentioned in the reference). Nowhere is it however indicated that there's any relation to "S.N."

ref. 5) The reference defines "Evil eye". No mention of "S.N."

ref. 6) The reference defines "Nazar". No mention of "S.N."

ref. 7) No mention of "S.N." in this article.

All in all, a quick Google search shows that the only two references to this phenomenon are this article and a Facebook group.

I'm not saying that this belief system does not exist. What I'm saying is that probably there is no source of the information provided in this article (unless there's something in Mr Chittick's book).

888chuli, what is hard to explain about minority cultures that would justify the vagueness of the article? Please have a loook at Pomak or Karaims. And by the way, I am pretty surprised that there no web references to a thing which is spread "from South Central Asia to South West Asia/Eastern Mediterranean " and "pre-dating any other major belief system".

Now, what it seems to me is that it must be a relatively new syncretic concept. Please note it incorporates motives from Slavic Pagan religion, and the only place I can think of when Buddhism, Sufi and Slavic Paganism cold freely mix would be the modern world. Anyway, it does not seem to be researched, and please remember that you cannot post to Wikipedia your original research - there are other places for it. Oh, and did I mention "Big Bang"?

888chuli, you wrote "just because we maynot agree with a believe system does not call for us to attack or remove it." - absolutely seconded. If we were to do so, everyone would have to remove articles describing views they don't subscribe to :D

And you say that it describes Sufi practice in the Balkans - last time I checked Albanian Dervishes did not mention Svantevit or Samsara.

I do not think that a name change is crucial here. What is necessary are SOURCES. 85.221.214.187 (talk) 01:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Sufi Nashinu
An article that you have been involved in editing, Sufi Nashinu, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Astronaut (talk) 05:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)