User talk:91.130.43.158

Mandaean name
Please explain your objections at Talk:Mandaean name. The Wikipedia article summarizes publicly available information in published academic sources by scholars such as E. S. Drower, who was highly respected by Mandaeans. Also, the Wikipedia article does not identify any living Mandaean individuals. Nebulousquasar (talk) 09:15, 14 March 2022 (UTC)


 * You make mandaeans easy to identify by stating their clan names and thus make them an easy target to religious extremists. The names are confidential information. 91.130.43.158 (talk) 09:18, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Drower did not make a complete list of mandaean clan names, by the way. Just because a western scholar shared information about the mandaeans does not justify the action. 91.130.43.158 (talk) 09:22, 14 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I do understand that the situation for Mandaeans, Yazidis, and other minority groups in Iraq is precarious, but I doubt that censoring basic factual information on the English Wikipedia would be relevant. Lists of Mandaean clan names are widely available on Arabic websites and in various books. If you want to discuss your concerns, please discuss at Talk:Mandaean name. Nebulousquasar (talk) 09:26, 14 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Similarly, it's simply not feasible to delete all lists of Assyrian, Jewish, and Yazidi names from Wikipedia. It's already all public information that is widely available on the web, and Wikipedia's job is to simply summarize all of this public information since we don't do original research here. We can take many measures to fend off extremists, but censoring Wikipedia is not one of them unless there is a gross violation of personal/individual information in violation of WP:PRIVACY and WP:OUTING. Nebulousquasar (talk) 09:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The Jewish and Yazidi name articles aren't as detailed as the mandaean one. They do not contain personal information about clans. The names of mandaean clans is not public information. Please at least remove that part. 91.130.43.158 (talk) 09:48, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I see nothing personal in the article. Everything there is cited to reliable, third party sources, with a reputation for fact checking. Please see the information I left at the bottom of your talk. -- Deep fried okra ( talk ) 13:40, 14 March 2022 (UTC)


 * What you should ask yourself is; why should personal, specific information about mandaean clan names appear on public sites like Wikipedia? These names are not general, since we're speaking about a small minority. Mandaeans have rejected the idea of appearing in projects that outsiders use for record tracking purposes. Keeping track of ethno-religious minorities, violatates several human rights. It does not matter if you found the information elsewhere. It should not be spread. 130.237.241.244 (talk) 14:42, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The clan names were sourced from خالد ميران دفتر. شخصيات صابئية مندائية في التاريخ المعاصر which is available on the web. Nevertheless, they have been removed and I hope this solves the problem.
 * Mcvti (talk) 16:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I will also look further into the main source. 130.237.241.244 (talk) 16:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Here is the link for the book https://www.mandaeannetwork.com/mandaean/ar/literatures/mandaeannetwork_mandaean_shaksiat_mandaia.html
 * Hope this helps Mcvti (talk) 17:00, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I fully understand your concerns. Since 2003, Mandaeans have been through a horrific genocide in Iraq and have every right to do whatever it takes to protect their community. In Iraq, extremists have systematically stalked Mandaean families, clans, homes, and businesses and have committed horrific acts of kidnapping, home invasions, and murders. I've hidden the list of clan names as a result (at least until this can be resolved with further discussion). However, the malwasha names in Mandaic shouldn't be a problem at all since they are never used in government records or publicly with non-Mandaeans, but the official Arabic-language clan names would be more sensitive. Outside Iraq, it is typically not a problem, and Mandaeans in North America, Europe, and Australia can proudly display their Mandaean identities without fear. Nebulousquasar (talk) 18:20, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * If you have any concerns about any of the Mandaeism articles on Wikipedia, such as images of individuals or publicly mentioned personal names, you can leave me a message on my talk page any time. I don't want anyone in Iraq or their extended families abroad to lose sleep over such issues. Wikipedia content needs to be useful rather than detrimental to the Mandaean community. Nebulousquasar (talk) 18:27, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I really appreciate this! The mandaeans also suffer pursecution and stalking from other religions here in the west, which is why they need to take precausions. 91.130.43.158 (talk) 20:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

March 2022
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Mandaean name, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use the sandbox for that. Thank you. Alexf(talk) 11:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

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Please discuss content and sourcing on article talk page and achieve consensus for any changes Please make WP:EDITREQUESTs on talk. -- Deep fried okra ( talk ) 13:37, 14 March 2022 (UTC)