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Sigh. Do you understand that the introduction = lead or whatever you want to call it is a summary of text below? So nothing that's not below should appear there? Not even that "born"? I am pretty tired of fighting, over nationality of all topics. "The only real nation is humanity." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

I hate shouting (all capital letters), but what in "please discuss" did you not understand? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:37, 9 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I was and still am of the opinion that my editing remarks where sufficient for a discussion. There is a passport around, verifiable from a reliable source such as the Austrian National Library stating Handke’s Yugoslav nationality which he has not only signed but also confirmed the authenticity. No question of libel. This has caused the competent authorities to start a formal investigation. This investigatiom is a fact and casts doubt on Handke‘s Austrian nationality. His Yugoslav nationality is out of dispute, whatever he says and believes. The signed passport states Nationality: Yugoslav. Whatever the outcome of the official proceedings may be, it can be reported here when it is available. However, already the investigation itself is a relevant fact.

—91.15.121.241 (talk) 08:56, 9 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for discussing. Please discuss on the article talk, where people interested in Handke can see and participate. They don't look at changes minute to minute. The investigation is a fact, but which weight it carries, and how it's mentioned, and if it deserves a section of its own, are all things worth a discussion. For me, nationality is of minor importance, - so please understand that mentioning it before even the fact that he was an influential writer rang some alarm bells. I don't care which passport(s?) he has, - it's of no relevance for his work. I understand that others may feel differently. Do you know that AGF stands for "assume good faith"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:46, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Nationalitx may or may not interest you, it is of interest to Wikipedia which indeed offers the field nationality in various templates. Handke’s Yugoslav nationality is out of dispute. It arises from a document he signed himself. This document is available from an official reliable source. There are many pieces of information in this or other articles which do not interest me. This circumstance does not authorise me to censor them. Even renowed newspapers like the NYT found Handke‘s unclear nationality status interesting enough to dedicate whole articles on just this point. Whether this mentioning by the international press is politically motivated against a genocide denier or not is not important. The facts such as an official document are and remain facts. Like Mr. Waldheim‘s party certificate was a fact. Facts are facts whether you or me like them or find them interesting. Others may find them interesting. Unpleasant information not found interesting by some may not be censored without violating the spirit underlying Wikipedia

—91.15.121.241 (talk) 11:47, 9 November 2019 (UTC)