User talk:93.179.211.169

Accusations of slander
Please avoid making claims that articles are "slanderous" - this could be interpreted as a legal threat. Simonm223 (talk) 18:01, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Please consider yourself notified that I will be raising concerns about your legal threats to WP:AN/I. Simonm223 (talk) 15:38, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Block
You have been blocked from editing for a period of one month for making legal threats. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. El_C 15:54, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Ban appeal
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The fact you call two users "socialists" and use this to try and undermine their credibility is going to cause this appeal to fail (you need to read wp:npa).Slatersteven (talk) 16:38, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Simonm223 has socialist user tags on his user page. 93.179.211.169 (talk) 16:41, 13 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to process this, but some points:
 * Block appeals which contain personal attacks are often summarily dismissed. I can speak for neither, but even if Simonm223 and El_C would not consider your "socialist or some variation of thereof [sic]" comment a personal attack, it seems clear that that's how you intended it. Please retract that portion of your appeal. See also WP:NOTTHEM.
 * You claimed in edit summaries twice that material was "slanderous". Slander is a crime in the United States (where Wikipedia's servers are located) and in many other jurisdictions, and your threat to report alleged criminal activity to an organization that could take legal action meets our definition of a legal threat. You must explicitly retract this threat, or you will not be unblocked. It matters not whether you are "in a position to do so".
 * Generally speaking, we balance the opinions and statements of disparate sources to establish a neutral point of view, which means we seek an ideal of describing things as they are, according to reliable sources, absent our own biases and opinions. If you have a source stating that a court declared that ONR is not a fascist organization, you can discuss how that can be incorporated in the article, recognizing that several other sources have declared that they are a fascist organization. You don't get to pick the interpretation that better suits your political views.
 * I hope that helps. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:42, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Could you clarify for total transparency what you meant about Simonm223 having access to the computer you use, Ivanvector? As it stands, I have no reason to believe you are neutral. Likewise, I never made legal threats. Never said I will take anyone to court. 93.179.211.169 (talk) 16:45, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I have no reason to be neutral, as I have not done anything here. Your ability to read my user page about a thing that happened ten years ago is wholly unimpressive, beyond it painting you as a person who thinks that intimidating people by seeking out their personal information is an acceptable practice. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:49, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

I take back what I said about the ban denial - I just now noticed it has been re-pasted and not wholly denied. Apologies. In my defense, obtuse wiki formatting makes things hard to read. 93.179.211.169 (talk) 16:53, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I could have explained that better, yes. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:55, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Out of curiosity, do you recall what message you received that prevented you saving your appeal in the first place? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:55, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

-- I don't even know what the article is about and am unfamiliar with its content. Likewise, I was unfamiliar with the content of the dispute. I only attended to the legal threats per se. Had this user been registered, I would block indefinitely. Because they're not (and someone else may need to use this IP at some point), I only blocked for a month. Anyway, naturally, I reject the user accusation that I wasn't (or somehow even cannot) rule in a manner that detached from my own views, but that's a non-issue anyway, due to my ignorance of the subject. El_C 16:43, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

IP, I suggest you step away now, you are about two posts from a longer ban and withdraw of talk page access.Slatersteven (talk) 16:54, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Ban appeal 2
jpgordon rejected your appeal, not Ivanvector.Slatersteven (talk) 14:40, 15 June 2019 (UTC)