User talk:98.111.15.18

December 2017
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Consistent life ethic. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Binksternet (talk) 15:50, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.


 * I think you're facing two fundamental problems about editing Wikipedia, not just the Consistent Life Ethic (CLE) article.
 * First, you're making claims about truth, about what is a reasonable and logical statement about CLE. You suggest the phrase "CLE is not an inherently religious or partisan ethic." This isn't about convincing us or any editors about the accuracy of this phrase, or the meaning of religion. This is a statement of analysis. That's original research, and it's not allowed here. Encyclopedia editors such as ourselves avoid analysis, and merely report facts and the analysis of notable entities. See also WP:But it's true.
 * As another example, you suggest the phrase "Support of the CLE does not require adherence to a faith or political ideology." This is fairly logical: You don't have to believe A in order to believe B. However, again, on Wikipedia, we don't use logic like this to analyze our subjects.
 * I think this would be a great statement to include in the form "Advocates of the CLE frequently state that Support of the CLE does not require adherence to a faith or political ideology". I don't know if that's true; you're going to need to cite sources to defend that and whatever else you add here.
 * If I were in your shoes, I might try to demonstrate that diverse people adhere to a CLE. Find debate and disagreement within the CLE movement. Find an article which compares CLE with a historic religious tradition or philosophy different than the Catholic tradition which has been prominent in CLE's history. Above all, find reliable sources.
 * However, that leads us to our second problem. You say "The point I am trying to make with my edits..." You seem to be trying to frame CLE in a certain kind of way. I understand that you may feel that this article is unbalanced, or doesn't accurately portray CLE and you want to correct it. However, right now you're a single-purpose account using Wikipedia for advocacy. Please review WP:SOAP as you continue to contribute here.
 * I decided to post this here rather than the talk page, because I wanted to offer longer advice on writing for Wikipedia. If you spend more time arguing on talk pages than researching and writing content, then other editors may find you disruptive. I hope you can find positive ways to contribute to Wikipedia. Daask (talk) 18:54, 27 December 2017 (UTC)