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Share away! 4theloveofallthings (talk) 19:34, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

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They can be in categories that are meant for templates, such as one or more of the categories listed at that exist to help Wikipedia editors find templates, but they can't be in categories whose primary purpose is to group related articles for the readership. Bearcat (talk) 20:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh okay! Thank you so much! I didn’t even know there were specific template categories. This is incredibly helpful information. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 20:14, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Requesting some copy edit help
Hi, I am user Bookku usually work in information and knowledge gap areas. Just worked on sandbox draft 'My Body No Choice'.

As such I have made input and ce help request @ WT:WOMRED too but since you seem to have previously edited article Theatre (though small but concerned edit) may be it would be easier for you to help out if the topic would interest you. Thanks. -- &#32;Bookku   (talk) 09:45, 20 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, friend!
 * “though small but concerned edit” haha! I love it. I don’t think I have ever been so stressed out over the mere placement of two letters in my entire life.
 * I will absolutely check out your draft. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 00:25, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Also! If you’re interested in seeing the follow-up war between myself and a few other editors in regards to that “Theatre vs Theater” debacle.. haha.. the battle relocated to the talk page on the Professional wrestling article.
 * Link to the debate April 23rd-April 26th 2023
 * A very heated debate over such a hyper-technical edit. Worth the read! 4theloveofallthings (talk) 00:47, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry I really had missed the next edit to yours and also unaware of all that followed that particular small edit. :)
 * While inviting your help for ce I had simple guess some one cares small difference may help me in ce that is it. Then I realized as per WP rules I have to send invitation to everyone engaged in the discussion, as such if I get more helping hands for ce no issues but my article draft is small almost next stub. Thanks. &#32;Bookku    (talk) 05:05, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I have begun copy editing your writing. I will return to it tomorrow and strengthen it up with some sources and clean it up a bit. I only edited the opening paragraph thus far. Upon searching up the play, it has some really good sources that have a plethora of information that I think would be very useful to include.
 * If you ever want to revert my edits and tell me to stop because I am not editing in a way that you find useful, please don’t hesitate to do so. I will not be offended in the slightest, and thank you for inviting me to edit such an important draft about a powerful piece of feminist art. I am glad you decided to take on the task of creating the article. I think it is very important. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 08:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

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 * Tagged it with . 4theloveofallthings (talk) 20:19, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Request for review of John Lauro article
Hi, I can take a look at the John Lauro article. May have comments to you later today, possibly tomorrow. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:31, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Perfect! Thank you so much. That was a really fast response. I appreciate it. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 16:38, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Review
Article looks good; will be a developing story, as the Trump saga unfolds;  this is a good beginning.

Here's my suggestions:


 * 1) I would add a "US spelling" tag at the top of the page, at the same spot as the date format tag.  I generally set the spelling for all pages I create, and also for existing pages that have a clearly defined usage, but no spelling tag.  Avoids controversy in the future, like the wrestling one. (!)
 * 2) My personal preference is not to put cites in the lead paragraph, or in the infobox.  This is just personal style.  I think of the lead as the overall summary, designed to give the complete picture of the article to the reader, and I think cites are a bit distracting.  I also don't like cites in the infobox, because they are the ones that start "1", "2", etc.  A reader going through the article may not realise that the earliest cites are in the infobox, and be puzzled if the first cite they come across when reading the body of the article is "3". Just my personal preference, but I find them a bit distracting in the lead and infobox.  YMMV, of course.  I would suggest moving the cites from the infobox and lead into the body of the article.
 * 3) Cite 2:  I would avoid using one of the "breaking news" articles that the NYT, WaPost, and Guardian use, which are constantly being updated.  By the time your reader is reading the article the next day, the part that you were referring to may be way down at the bottom of the breaking news article, if at all.  Now that most media are reporting Trump's arraignment, should be possible to find one that is more stable.  That could well be at the NYT, Guardian, etc - I'm not knocking them as sources, just avoid the "breaking news" articles that are inherently dynamic.
 * 4) Cites 7 & 8:  I would avoid using these cites at all.  Anytime I read an article that relies on advertising material put out by the subject of the article, I suspect promotional wiki-work.  I'm not suggesting that's the case here, just letting you know that if you do use paid promotional material from the subject of the article, other editors' spidey-sense may start tingling.  I think you can find the material that you're using those cites for in your other cites.  The Florida bar listing (currently cite 1) says that he's got a law degree from Georgetown, for example.  Even if you can't find the magna cum laude stuff at the moment, it might come out in future news articles. From skimming through the other cites, I think you could find support for the same points that are supported currently by 7 & 8.
 * 5) "Career" - I stumbled over "business partner" in the first line.  Does it mean that he and Singer were in business before entering into a law partnership?  I think you mean that he opened a law partnership with Singer?  If that is the case, I'd re-word the sentence to avoid the "business partner" term.
 * 6) Cite 8 - you could use the CNN "quietly adds" article to support him having offices in Florida and NY, and get rid of 8. Don't need the specific details about what cities in Florida he has offices in.
 * 7) "Criminal conspiracy" section
 * 8) I would keep an eye on the news.  This will be the section that develops the most.
 * 9) I would add the CNN "quietly adds" cite here, after "following Trump's indictment."  (add apostrophe, and period - the sentence is currently too long.)
 * 10) Start the new sentence:  "He revealed early hints etc."
 * 11) Clarify relationship to Eastman, as a former lawyer:  "...blaming John Eastman, one of Trump's former lawyers, for allegedly giving him advice..." (personal style note:  I don't like ending a phrase with a dangling possessive:  "one of Trump's lawyers" reads better to me than "a lawyer of Trump's";  I always say to myself "of Trump's what?"  Just a style comment;  YMMV).
 * 12) "Personal Life" section - in the infobox, you say that he's divorced, without a cite, and don't mention it here.  Can you provide details and a cite?
 * 13) "External links" - I would delete this section entirely.  You've already got his law firm website in the infobox.  Putting it there and here is a flag that this might be paid editing.  I'm sure it's not, but excessive reliance on the business web presence of the subject of a bio is a red flag. One entry in the infobox is enough.

Hope this helps. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 00:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I appreciate this very much! Give me a bit and I will thoroughly read this and respond. I just have to finish up at work. Thank you for taking the time to give the article a thorough analysis. That was really awesome of you! 4theloveofallthings (talk) 15:44, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. Mr Lauro has been in the news a lot today, with his comments about Trump just wanting to slow the vote count down.  Probably worth adding that to the criminal conspiracy section. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:42, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Feel free to contribute! It’s not my article, I just created it. :) 4theloveofallthings (talk) 16:54, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I just put "start" classification in the Talk page boxes. I left "importance" as ??? since I'm not familiar enough with American law stuff to judge that.Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 17:07, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

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 * Huh? The file has a source listed. It is hyperlinked and leads directly to a page on the article subject’s official website. It even has the license information listed. I will not refer to the “image use policy” over an audio file. Thanks. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 06:02, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

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 * The source is also listed on this file. The archive account is the article subject’s official archive. If you go to the official website the archive is listed as officially associated. Under that file, it is listed as dedicated to the public domain. Again, why are you asking me to review the image use policy? These edits were just pointlessly disruptive. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 06:23, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

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 * *gasps*
 * Et tu, Brute? 4theloveofallthings (talk) 16:11, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

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 * tagged — couldn’t seem to prove notability of subject. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 13:36, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

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 * Gotcha! Thanks for the heads up. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 01:26, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

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 * Somebody took the article I wrote, converted it to Spanish for Spanish Wikipedia, and then converted it back to English for English Wikipedia -- effectively making the article not created by me. It rather upset me, especially since I had been advocating for the article to remain as it was before it was sent back to draft. Feel free to delete it. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 20:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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Huntingdon
Re this edit: I think you'd need more than a single obscure map to claim that this misnomer occurred often. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hey! Sorry. I had trouble finding the British journal entries where they refer to Huntington as Huntingdon. Out of curiosity, how many occurrences constitutes “often” in the early days of a town when the population was so few? 4theloveofallthings (talk) 07:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Personal attacks
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 * Apologies. I will try not to get so hot-headed. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 14:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

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 * To let you know since I saw these and your comments earlier on your talk page, Wikipedia does not allow NonCommercial and NoDerivatives content per WP:NONCOM. reppop talk 07:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Reppop Fair. Can you remind me of the tag that an author of a file uses to mark it for deletion? I will go and mark these two and have them removed. 9t5 (talk) 07:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Tagged both of them with . Merry Christmas. 9t5 (talk) 07:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No contest. Didn’t even know these were still on the website as they aren’t included in the subjects article anymore.
 * If you are taking issue with my contributions, you can spell it out for me here on my talk page. 9t5 (talk) 07:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Contest page nominated for deletion
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MfD nomination of Wikipedia:9t5 User Page Contest
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I have closed the MFD as userfy and moved the page to User:9t5/Userpage Contest, and also moved the subpages. You will need to go through and correct any wikilinks to point to the moved pages. -- Whpq (talk) 23:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

June 2024


A page you created has been nominated for deletion as an attack page, according to section G10 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

Do not create pages that attack, threaten, or disparage their subject or any other entity. Attack pages and files are not tolerated by Wikipedia, and users who create or add such material may be blocked from editing. Fram (talk) 13:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Attack page? It has blown up the news in the Northeast. I cited NBC, ABC & CNN. You should be blocked from editing for making such a wild assessment of something that has clearly been reported on extensively in the media. You’re out of your mind. 9t5 (talk) 22:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * As per WP:G10 : Examples of "attack pages" may include: libel, legal threats, material intended purely to harass or intimidate a person, or biographical material about a living person that is entirely negative in tone and unsourced. The stub was sourced, did not centralize around the perpetrator, and was directly pulled from major news outlets. Your speedy deletion violated Wikipedia guidelines. 9t5 (talk) 22:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Fram, in the future why not just for your edits? Cheers! 9t5 (talk) 13:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No idea why you pinged me to your meaningless comment. Please don't make personal attacks like "you're out of your mind" though. Fram (talk) 13:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Fram, you’re right, you’re not out of your mind… just another careless twinkle editor. Have a great day. 9t5 (talk) 13:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Whpq (talk) 03:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Whpq how was this a copyright violation? I want you to explain. 9t5 (talk) 05:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Newv York state government works are not public domain. Whpq (talk) 06:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Whpq and if you and your friends could stop stalking my contributions, that would be lovely. Cheers. WP:WITCHHUNT 9t5 (talk) 05:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I am not stalking you. Our only prior interaction that I am aware of is my closure of the MFD for your contest. -- Whpq (talk) 06:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Introduction to contentious topics
Barkeep49 (talk) 01:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Barkeep49 Please refrain from making pointless and insulting edits to my talk page. Thank you.


 * 9t5 (talk) 11:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The message above is a standard message, but as an arbitrator I'd welcome suggestions of how to change the wording to make it less insulting. I can find no record of where the awareness box you've posted here was previously. Can you please point me to where it was as I did check for it before leaving you that message and did not find it and would like to not repeat that mistake with other users. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Barkeep49 When you go to edit my talk page, the notice I posted above is shown stating I should not be given the alert you left on my talk page. 9t5 (talk) 07:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I suppose Barkeep can be forgiven for not looking 5 days into the future to see you add that to your editnotice. DanCherek (talk) 17:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @DanCherek good catch. Haha. 9t5 (talk) 17:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @DanCherek I still think it was inappropriate to place on my page given I am clearly dealing with contentious topics frequently, but I will forgive it based solely on what you just called out. I did, indeed, add the notice afterwards. 9t5 (talk) 17:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Mistake?
Was this meant for someone else, or were you asking my opinion of a policy? - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:18, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Adolphus79 Was asking you if you are comfortable with me nominating you for adminship. 9t5 (talk) 08:34, 23 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Ah, well, thank you very much! I am greatly honored by the consideration, it has been a goal of mine for 17 years to do more to help this 'pedia I love, but I don't think you would get much support. Sadly, the community has made it clear multiple times over my tenure here that they do not want me as an admin, and have beaten me down whenever I tried to do more than just minor janitorial edits. Also, if you want to read my talk page, I'm sure many will have a problem with my mental breakdown last year, and the gap in editing when I was forced to take a wiki-break. Again, thank you very much, but I have no chance of ever passing. - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Adolphus79 I actually became aware of you during your struggles last year, and I empathize deeply with you on them. Your openness on the topic, gentle nature, genuine care for the project, and experience on Wikipedia are all reasons why you should be an admin. You may not be the first pick for those who look down on new editors, but as someone who was encouraged by your words when I began editing — leading me to stick with it rather than quit — I can assure other editors that you are doing more to help with the major issue plaguing modern Wikipedia: the decline in new editor retention. I want you to be an admin. I know other Journeyman-Yeoman editors who feel the same. 9t5 (talk) 02:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for all of that... I try to help all new users, I want them to stay, without new users the 'pedia would eventually fade away. I see that you don't have any experience at WP:RfA though (here's a fun one to read), so I would suggest maybe finding a regular or two over there that would be interested in co-nominating, I might accept.
 * P.S. I just realized who you were while checking your contributions... lol - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Adolphus79 No nomination will be made until it is solid and done correctly. I will reach back out to you beforehand, and if you don’t give your approval then I won’t go forward with it. Cheers! 9t5 (talk) 11:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Duplicate template
Hi, 9t5. I noticed the recent creation of Template:SudoAdmin. I just wanted to let you know that it is essentially a duplicate of Template:Administrator without tools, at least in objective, if not appearance. Have a look at them and see what you think. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 05:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Mathglot Aw I even like the other one better. The sentiment is nice. I’ll tag mine for speedy deletion. Thank you for coming to me about it. 9t5 (talk) 01:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

July 2024
Please stop attacking other editors. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. 48JCL 17:04, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @48JCL touché 9t5 (talk) 17:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)