User talk:A. B./October–November 2023

Invitation to Cornell study on Wikipedia discussions
Hello A. B.,

I’m reaching out as part of a Cornell University academic study investigating the potential for user-facing tools to help improve discussion quality within Wikipedia discussion spaces (such as talk pages, noticeboards, etc.). We chose to reach out to you because you have been highly active on various discussion pages.

The study centers around a prototype tool, ConvoWizard, which is designed to warn Wikipedia editors when a discussion they are replying to is getting tense and at risk of derailing into personal attacks or incivility. More information about ConvoWizard and the study can be found at our research project page on meta-wiki.

If this sounds like it might be interesting to you, you can use this link to sign up and install ConvoWizard. Of course, if you are not interested, feel free to ignore this message.

If you have any questions or thoughts about the study, our team is happy to discuss! You may direct such comments to me or to my collaborator, Cristian_at_CornellNLP.

Thank you for your consideration.

-- Jonathan at CornellNLP (talk) 18:03, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Moving "Death Editor 2 on Starship Flight Test" to DRN
While I believe the Death Editor 2 on Starship Flight Test belongs at ANI, I've tried to comply and move it to DRN. However, both times I've tried to file the compliant at DRN, my computer crashed.

What do I do? Redacted II (talk) 11:17, 7 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I have no idea - that’s an odd problem. Maybe reboot your computer and try again at DRN? I’m not much of a computer expert.
 * — A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 11:54, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I tried. It crashed. Should I continue to try on DRN? Redacted II (talk) 11:56, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd avoid ANI - that's for sure. You can't predict who'll get stoned by the mob.
 * I just don't know what to say about your computer. Try using a different browser?
 * I'll be offline much of the day. Good luck.
 * — A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 12:28, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I have created a case shell. One of the editors has made a statement, and I have made a moderator statement.  If they are trying to improve the article, as they should be, we can get the issues clarified and maybe even resolved.  We don't want moderated discussion to fail.  If it does fail, we will go back to WP:ANI, but that is what we want to avoid.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:34, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh. Thank you for telling them to try DRN.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:34, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Update
I have created the case shell for their dispute, and have asked them what they want to change in the article. One editor has complained about edit warring, and the other editor has complained about vandalism. There has not been vandalism. There has been edit-warring, and the way to avoid edit-warring starts with defining what the content issues are. If I don't get answers from them within 24 hours, I will fail the dispute and tell them to go back to WP:ANI, and, then, if they do go back to WP:ANI, I will tell WP:ANI that it really is a conduct dispute. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:23, 9 October 2023 (UTC) In other words, you were right that it should be a content dispute, but any editor can always turn anything into a conduct dispute by bad conduct. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:23, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Well, thanks for what you're doing. It's too bad if they miss this opportunity.
 * — A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 12:26, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:23, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Multiple individuals same page
AB! Good catch with incorrect sources. My bad. Good stuff! Teddy012 (talk) 04:39, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Deprodding
Hi A. B. -- Thanks for all your thanks about my recent deprodding sprees! Sometimes it feels as if I'm alone in trying to at least get AfDs to decide whether some of this old unreferenced content is of any value, so genuinely grateful for the support. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 22:59, 15 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I noted an unusually large batch of questionable looking PRODs and put them on my watchlist to come back and investigate later. When “later” came, I found you’d already dealt with them.
 * You have really good judgement about what to keep, what to delete and what to discuss. I appreciate what you do.
 * — A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 23:12, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for October 29
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November 2023
With regard to this: it's true that the article was started before User:Zayani55 was blocked, but they created it while socking to evade a block (they also used another sock to edit the draft). Please see Sockpuppet_investigations/VICTOHH1/Archive for more info about the sockmaster. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 02:10, 5 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 02:13, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I noticed that you haven't restored the tag. Is there a reason for that? M.Bitton (talk) 09:17, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

RE: Rami Meir Un-PROD
Hey there! Just responding to the edit note on the Rami Meir article, I'm still pretty new to this so I appreciate the contribution! I'm just popping in here to give you a heads up that I plan to AfD this article and I'd love to have more input once I do (I just have to go over the policy a little bit first, like I said, kinda new lol).

In retrospect I probably should have made a post on the Talk page for the article explaining my reasoning a little more in depth, as STMEGI was actually a source I looked into and found to be a potential CoI for this, but that wasn't really made clear by me. According to a quote from their executive director in Source 15 STMEGI "invited them to unite into a professional Union at the site of the Community Center of Mountain Jews in Sokolniki,” them being the Mountain Jewish Union of Artists, of which Rami Meir was then elected chairman. Additionally, STMEGI seems to be an ongoing financial backer of the group and Meir specifically.

I'm still learning all the Wiki-etiquette, but hopefully this reads as appreciative of the feedback as it's intended to!

-KJGinger (talk) 17:11, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Good catch about STEGMI - I didn't pick up on that. I think you did a really good job. It will be interesting to see what happens at AfD.
 * — A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 17:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

G5 for socks
Hi A. B.,

About this comment/rejection. The earlier, incorrect, G5 placement was based on a temp ban that the page creator had received and thus rejected. But I re-submiited it (having seen the previous rejection) for CSD under the criteria after it was confimed that the creator was indeed a long-term sockpuppeteer (Sockpuppet investigations/Oriental Aristocrat) i.e. creation in violation of a ban which as far as I can tell covers this (esepcially with no significant edits by others here).

Do reconsider the CSD in light of this.

Thanks Gotitbro (talk) 21:36, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Idol Destroyer was the only account definitively linked to Pirate of the High Seas. It was impossible to link either of them via checkuser to Oriental Aristocrat.
 * I see a valuable, well-referenced stub (Karim Shahi) that we can use. I'm reluctant to delete it even with its suspect provenance. WP:BANREVERT does not require we speedy articles created by banned users; it says they can be.
 * This is a gray area and I am more content-oriented than most; I suspect 55+% of editors would side with you, being more editor-integrity focused. I suggest you maybe take to AfD?
 * In any event, I'm not going to revert my tag removal but I'm not edit war if it goes back.
 * I appreciate your care for Wikipedia's integrity.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 21:55, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Midwest Program on Airborne Television Instruction
Nice job with those refs. Guess it is indeed notable enough, my mistake!RedundancyAdvocate (talk) 04:44, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * We're all working for a good outcome. If you hadn't tagged the article, it wouldn't have gotten improved.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 04:47, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Goodwill message
I've encountered a few of your comments in the wild lately. I wanted to simply say again that your editing consistently impresses, both in terms of content and compassion. Thank you for your quality contributions to this project. All the best ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks. That makes my day. I appreciate your thoughtful edits, too.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 04:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

AfD comment
Hi, regarding your suggestion at the AfD that an RfC be created; I was about to create one, but it feels like such a silly thing to request comment on, when the guideline is crystal clear. In other words, I would feel like an absolute fool asking something like "Are Asian Games medallists sufficiently notable on that basis alone to receive standalone articles?" Davidindia even says (here, for example) that placing in the top 8 at an Asian Games is somehow sufficient for notability, which is even less defensible. As I said in the AfD, the guideline (WP:ATHLETE) is very clear that no one is notable because of an achievement alone; they must pass WP:GNG (i.e., receive sufficient coverage from reliable sources). Even as noted on the talk page here by someone else, even Olympians are not automatically notable; they must pass WP:GNG. For this reason, I'm strongly inclined to open the [~30] individual AfDs, without holding an RfC first. I will no doubt be faced with the same arguments, but I surely cannot be alone in realizing the absolute ridiculousness of the arguments from the others, as they contradict WP:GNG and WP:ATHLETE. Do you have any opinion on how I should go about this? Rowing007 (talk) 19:38, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I certainly see your point about an RfC.
 * I'd definitely wait for another AfD to let any negativity die down. After that, I would take the weakest article to an AfD and see how it goes.
 * The variability in AfD outcomes can surprise me.
 * I used the talk page archive search box on the upper right side of the Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports) to look for prior discussions of the Asian Games.
 * Other than passing mentions of the Asian Games, there were substantive discussions associated with the existing rules at WP:NTRACK and WP:NGYMNAST. These are two sports categories where the Asian Games are associated with probable notability.
 * It seems like each sport has its own constituency and passionate editors; this leads to variability in guidance for different sports.
 * See Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 15. There were 2 related AfDs with different outcomes:
 * Articles for deletion/Wu Shu-fen
 * Articles for deletion/Louise Allen (tennis)


 * Take a look at this discussion, too, as a potential precedent:
 * Village pump (policy)/Sports notability


 * I'll think about this some more.
 * Thanks for caring about our content.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 00:46, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Signature
Hi A.B., I've been seeing you around more often lately and it's a bit visually distracting because your signature includes not only a line break but a new paragraph that adds additional space. I've never seen anyone else's signature need to be its own paragraph before, and I kindly request that you remove that formatting from it. WP:SIGAPP specifically says "Do not add line breaks" and "Do not include s because those cause the surrounding text to make a new line." The use of  goes against these instructions, but you can use a "nowrap" span instead to avoid the signature itself breaking. Thanks, Reywas92Talk 15:55, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Reywas92, thank you for bringing the WP:SIGAPP policy to my attention and your technical advice. I have changed my signature accordingly. -- A. B. (talk • contribs •  global count)  16:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, have a great weekend! Reywas92Talk 17:45, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * New challenge: breaking an old habit now embedded in muscle memory. Bear with me going forward. A. B. (talk • contribs •  global count)  17:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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