User talk:A20anna/Archive 3

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Kriss Perras Running Waters, Running Waters Productions, First Canyon Rain
About your question of including statistics in the article, the problem is that you are trying to use them as a basis to establish her notability and that will not work. Like I said, she needs actually do something, not just be a part of a minority group. Another editor had mentioned that she is not in the same league as Penny Marshall. If you read Penny Marshall's article, you will see no mention of industry demographic statistics in the article because that is not what makes her notable. What makes Penny Marshall notable is her work, not her demographics.

Since you asked me a question and then immediately archived the topic, I had to start a new thread on your talk page so that you would notice that I responded to you. Usual practice is to archive threads on your talk page after the conversation has ended, not in the middle of the conversation. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Reply - thanks for the answer - and sorry about the Archive. I noticed I did that after I archived. It was the first time I archived and I was not paying enough attention to what was on my page. After thinking about it too, it may be better for women anyway not to mention them in a minority status way anyhow, as in stats. Removing the stats puts them on the same level as everybody else. it's good to talk stuff out. Thanks! Happy Editing Love, Anna (talk) 04:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Women may be discriminated against, but they are not a minority, at least in the US. Bongo  matic  06:28, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * LOL!!! That thought occurred to me too! Happy Editing Love, Anna (talk) 06:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Apparently since there seems to be a joke at my expense. When I said "minority" I was referring not to all women in the world, but your statistics on women in the film industry. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh not at all - I'm so sorry if it appeared that way. I was laughing because women are suualy referred to as minority when the statistical facts say otherwise like Bongomatic said - it was just an instance of I was thinking the exact same thing not a joke on what you said. I am so sorry that hurt you. I did not intend that at all. Happy Editing Love, Anna (talk) 06:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note - also on the minority thing, I was referring to my use of minority. I suppose that's what happens when a person is not clear in their writing. I really feel bad - I never intended to upset you. Happy Editing Love, Anna (talk)


 * While you are here Gogo Dodo, I have a question. One of the first things I've been researching on Wiki rules is for the Kriss Perras Running Waters talk page. I'm not yet sure how to do it other than the advice I got from MICHAEL Q. that I should run it by an Admin person even though the rules say I can delete right away without discussion. Based on the following multiple set of rules I'm requesting the unregistered users comments on the talk page be deleted by Admin based on the following:
 * The unregistered users comments on the subject's talk page violate WP NOR, WP NPOV, WPV, the BLP page guideline, "We must get the article right.[1] Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." I also think what I'm saying is referred to as malicious content in the BLP guidelines, and also that "Administrators encountering BLPs that are unsourced and negative in tone, where there is no neutral version to revert to, should delete the article without discussion (see Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion criterion G10 for more details)." (taken form the BLP guidelines). Please advise if this is the correct course of action for this situation regarding the were rude comments made that cited no sources and claimed the subject had written a vanity page. I found nothing to support this claim in the history of the page, plus claims were made that the person was seeking the attention of a famous actor and some other stuff about the subject's magazine being vanity, which that one I know it was not, as I saw many articles online and they are not about the subject but rather artists the subject interviewed Happy Editing Love, Anna (talk) 07:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind, that the talk page is not the article itself, and is the place where editors bat ideas and opinions back and forth about a subject. If anything there can be considered an attack or libel, an admin might remove it. As far as WP:BLP goes, just remember it is about the article itself, and not the talk page.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 07:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - Hi Mike! I posted the specifics on your talk page - they are very long and why I did not post them to begin with - I am researching both the unregistered user and the WLAccount comments but since both user's comments are so long I can only go one user comments at a time. Happy Editing Love, Anna (talk) 18:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I had to move the discussion and my reply to a subpage, as it was just getting tooo ling. The discussion is ongoing at User talk:MichaelQSchmidt/Running Waters discussion. In a nutshell, you are speaking with concerns over opinions posted on an article talk page... and whether right or wrong, good or bad, true or false...that article talk page is exactly where such discussions are intended to take place so editors can iron out differences. Please take a look at WP:Talk Page and Talk page guidelines. There are a different set of rules than what goven article content.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Reply - thank you! I guess I was boiling it down to trying to say the person is accusing the subject of committing a crime, because stalking is a crime. And that was why I was so thoroughly researching. Let me read up on your reply and the guidelines you showed me - thanks so much for your mentorship!!! Also this is the talk page guidelines I was reading when I quoted violations of talk page usage talk page guidelines which seems to be different than the resources you just showed me. I think I am becoming a Wikiholic! Happy Editing Love, Anna (talk) 20:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MichaelQSchmidt/Running_Waters_discussion#Break_003  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:05, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Just keep your eye on that discussion on my talk sub-page, so I do not have to keep jumping back here to tell you to look there. Cool?  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:44, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Reply - absolutely - thanks! I am finding some resources to post with the article, so it is getting fun! Happy Editing Love, Anna (talk) 00:05, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Gogo Dodo - I've created one new page for the Kriss Perras Running Waters, First Canyon Rain and Running Waters Productions pages - one page for all three as per a conversation with MICHAEL Q. that they would combined make a stronger article. I'm by no means finished with the page, but am requesting the three pages Kriss Perras Running Waters, First Canyon Rain and Running Waters Productions be deleted as the articles are no longer needed. Per Mike, that follows the original consensus of delete and leaves me with a decent core from which to continue working, which I'm doing. Happy Editing Love, Anna (talk)


 * Sorry, but I will not delete the three originally pages as doing so will delete the edit history of the article. Instead of starting an entirely new article, you should overwrite the content at the main User:A20anna/Kriss Perras Running Waters article that I moved over for you.  Starting from scratch causes important history like the AfD to be removed from the article. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK thank you - is it possible to grant my above request to delete the comments from both users on the talk page: unreg user 207.145.127.242 who in his history it shows Admin has warned him numerous times about being neutral, and WLAccount, who violated a number of rules too? Mike called it a blanked page request, I think. But specifically it was those two I was wondering if could be deleted. Happy Editing! Love, Anna (talk) 05:32, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think that would be appropriate either. Anonymous IPs may or may not be the same person. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:37, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * May I archive the page so it does not disrupt the discussion that will take place for the new page once it is ready? Happy Editing! Love, Anna (talk) 05:38, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think that the talk page is currently unreasonably long that it would require archiving at this time. I think that you should wait until after the article is moved back into mainspace before considering archiving anything.  Archiving userspace talk pages that are not user talk pages is very unusual. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:41, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK bummer - the things that is bugging me is I've spent about a whole day researching what the unreg user claimed, which is that the subject is committing a crime, and found nothing in what the unreg user said to be true at all. In fact I even contacted a few fan sites and they denied the subject had posted anything on their sites, which was rather obvious anyway. I feel very strongly that it is wrong to leave a claim of a crime on a page when there is nothing to support it. Happy Editing! Love, Anna (talk)
 * I suggest you leave it be for now. Instead, focus on working on the article to establish her notability.  If you establish the notability, then it doesn't matter what is said on the talk page as the article should remain on Wikipedia.  Rescue the article, not the talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL!!! OK good idea! I think that person bothered me and it is hard to just sit there and do nothing when you feel really strong about something - thanks so much! Happy Editing! Love, Anna (talk) 05:54, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Also - I moved the content from the new single page back to the Kriss Perras Running Waters page - so will you delete the new page we made? Happy Editing! Love, Anna (talk) 05:56, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The new page that you created has been deleted. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 19:42, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Many Thanks Gogo Dodo!!!Happy Editing! Love, Anna (talk) 21:44, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Shall I still do some cleanup and copyedit? Refs need to be fixed and there will be ways to eliminate the huge pile of external links as well... as wiki hates "link farms".  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 03:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Mike yes please do! There is still obviously things to do but how do you think it is going so far? Happy Editing! Love, Anna (talk) 00:36, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Better... much better. Keep digging for those 2nd party sources. Just so you'll know when I'm in the room.... I'll be sure to hang out the IN USE tag while I am tweaking and remove it when I leave the room. I'll remember to leave a decent edit summary so you can beter understand what I had done and why.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 05:48, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Anna, just so you know, I blanked a section on the talk page of the userfied article due to concerns about its content. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me at dbwiki@undefinedgmail.com and I'll be happy to explain in more detail. Regards, Daniel (talk) 03:18, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Daniel! Nice to meet you! I'll email you to find out more. And no problem about the talk apge. From what I can see, you took down something I was saying was wrong to begin with. So for me, that edit was exactly what I thought should be done. Thanks for the message! Happy Editing! Love, Anna (talk) 00:18, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Signatures
You probably didn't realize this, but when you archived your talk page, you put it into the article mainspace. In order to avoid this, the next you archive your talk page or create any subpage for yourself, make sure you properly mark the page by creating it with the prefix User: and then your username, so for example, your archived talk page is User talk:A20anna/Archive 2 rather than A20anna/Archive 2, as you unintentionally did. Cheers! -- Wh ip it !  Now whip it good! 04:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Reply - ACK! Thank you! I had no idea I'd done that. This is only my second archive. Maybe I will get it right the third try! Is it in the right place now? Happy Editing Love, Anna (talk) 04:51, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's right here. I moved it for you. It's perfectly normal to make mistakes as new user. Even experienced editors make huge mistakes. One user, who is an admin even went as far as to delete the Main page! -- Wh ip it !  Now whip it good! 05:07, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OMG poor thing!! Thank you so much! I will have to archive my next talk page much slower so I don't make mistakes. I think it's awesome I'm a new user and so many people have mentored me that I have pages to archive! BTW Nice to meet you! Happy Editing! Love, Anna (talk) 05:22, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice to meet you too, and feel free to ask any questions. The Help desk is also perfect place to ask questions about using Wikipedia, and you are more likely to get a response to your question within minutes. -- Wh ip it !  Now whip it good! 05:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome Thanks! I want to know how you ake your custom signature. Mine is boring. :-) Happy Editing! Love, Anna (talk) 06:15, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Would you like it like this?: Happy Editing! Love, Anna . Or would you prefer another color combination from this table? It was another user who made my signature, because I'm not good at HTML. This page offers a little of info on how to customize your signature, but it didn't do much for me in terms of understanding. --  Wh ip it !  Now whip it good! 22:16, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * WOW I love it! With your permission I will use it just the way it is. It's pretty! How do I put it into my Signature on the preferences page &#91;&#91;User:A20anna&#124;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF1493; background:#000000&quot;&gt;Happy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#C71585;background:#000000&quot;&gt;Editing!&lt;/span&gt;&#93;&#93;&#91;&#91;User talk:A20anna&#124;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFB6C1;background:#000000&quot;&gt;Love,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4;background (talk) 01:14, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried it and the above is what happened. This is sort of hard. If I place it in the Editing box it looks like this Happy Editing!  Love, Anna
 * You must check the Raw signature box at Special:Preferences beneath the signature box where you copy and paste the signature. Otherwise, the wiki markup will not be recognized and it will be treated as your nickname, which is why it didn't work. -- Wh ip it !  Now whip it good! 01:57, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I shortened it to just this and so far it worked - I noticed the in the little box it did not accept the entire signature code - it cut it off at Love. Liked it the way you did it though. Is there anything we can do? Love, Anna  02:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I know there's a character limit on customized signatures, but I don't think yours could (or should)have exceeded it. Maybe try it like this: Happy Editing! Love, Anna

Which you can copy and paste:  Happy Editing! Love, Anna  --  Wh ip it !  Now whip it good! 03:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Bummer - I tried that one and the space does not allow that many characters - I noticed in the Editing box yours is quite long too, so am i doing something wrong? Happy Editing! Love, Anna 05:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know what else I could do to fix that, other than shorten it. Try it without the background color, like this: Happy Editing! Love, Anna

For copying and pasting:

 Happy Editing! Love, Anna

I know it won't be as pretty without the background color, but you have adjust to suit the limit on the characters you can use in your signature, which is 255 characters, by the way. However, I've seen even more elaborate signatures than the one I made, so I don't understand why it won't work. Maybe you can ask User:La Pianista, she made my signature. Or you can try the Help desk. -- Wh ip it !  Now whip it good! 05:33, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I tried it, and it still only let a portion of the code into the box. I'll try the resources you showed me here. Thanks so much! Happy Editing! Love, Anna (talk) 05:43, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. :) -- Wh ip it !  Now whip it good! 05:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Der Blaue Reiter
I removed your addition to Der Blaue Reiter because you copied text straight from the reference you cited. You can use references to back up text that you write on your own, but you can't just clip stuff from other articles. That would be a copyright violation. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:44, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry my very bad. That is true even if we use quotes and cite them? Happy Editing! Love, Anna (talk) 08:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * In this case, probably not. The text copied is not critical to the article.  See Quotations. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * OK I think I'm going to read more on the proper rules on editing an article so I don't make mistakes like that one. Thanks for the mentorship! Do you have any special rules pages you can refer me to? I have the ones already on the five pillars etc from the welcome message. Happy Editing! Love, Anna (talk)


 * If you start at Help:Contents, then that should lead you to whatever you need. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 02:43, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I'm trying to incorporate some of these things in edits tonight. It would be cool to let me know how I do. Happy Editing! Love, Anna (talk) 02:45, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

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Anna, why? I thought I could count on you for support in the campaign. Shamwow86 (talk) 19:31, 16 March 2009 (UTC)