User talk:AA Patrol

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Speedy deletion nomination of Goldsea Asian American Daily
A tag has been placed on Goldsea Asian American Daily, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:28, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Goldsea
A tag has been placed on Goldsea, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:22, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Removing Speedy at Goldsea Asian American Daily
Hi there AA Patrol! I saw that you added a hangon tag to a page which you created, Goldsea Asian American Daily. This is good, but in the process you removed the tag requesting deletion under CSD G4. Even though there is a hangon on the page, the deletion template should remain there. But don't worry, this doesn't mean that the page is going to get deleted. Make sure you edit the talk page of the page nominated for deletion, located at Talk:Goldsea Asian American Daily, administrators will look at your reason why the page should remain before they decide what to do. Thanks - SDPatrolBot (talk) 18:23, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Reply to Wikidan61 re Removing Speedy at Goldsea Asian American Daily
Hello WikiDan61 and SDPatrolBot! From what I can see, the last poster on the Deletion discussion did a Google search, found the site notable and significant but was unable to find references to it on other sites. If you check Ranking.com, you will see that there are several thousand links to it. Also, Alexa lists 318 links. But more importantly, Goldsea is the direct descendant of the first national Asian American magazine in the English language which began publication in 1986 as AsiAm, then later became Transpacific. Those are chapters of Asian American media history which are being continued under the Goldsea name on the internet. AA Patrol (talk) 18:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Deletion
Hi AA Patrol,

Unfortunately, I had to delete the article because, as the template said, it was a re-creation (with even less content) of a page deleted through consensus at the deletion discussion Articles for deletion/Goldsea Asian American Daily. Personally, I also believe the magazine may be notable (if sources can be found) because I have cited it before when I write articles here; nevertheless, the policy is that it should not be re-created like this while there is still deletion consensus.

To restore the article, you have two options: If you request it, I can supply you a copy of the deleted version of the article so you can see what you h ave to work with. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 11:41, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Read the deletion discussion linked above, and if you think the deletion was made in error (ie, proper procedure not followed), you can request that it be reviewed at Deletion review.
 * 2) Work on re-creating the article (first creating it in your userspace to work on it, as something like User:AA Patrol/Goldsea Asian American Daily) but making it substantially different than the deleted version; specifically, bringing in more sources to address the notability issues.

Goldsea
I have fairly extensively examined the history of Goldsea in its various incarnations under different titles. I see that at Talk:Goldsea you wrote "This article is substantially different from the earlier one at Goldsea Asian American Daily as it addresses the prior concerns about supporting references..." Certainly it has been significantly rewritten. However, your assertion that the rewrite "addresses the prior concerns about supporting references" is, frankly, a completely untenable position. The article in its present form gives 31 "references", but 29 of them are to Goldsea's own site, and the other two ( and ) do not even mention Goldsea. Consequently I shall delete the article as a repost of an article deleted consequent on a deletion discussion which has not addressed the reasons for deletion. Please do not repost this article yet again without significantly addressing the issues which led to deletion. Continual re-creation of an article which has been the subject of a deletion discussion and which consensus has decided should be deleted can lead to being blocked from editing. Naturally I hope that will not happen, and I strongly urge you to find other ways you can constructively contribute to Wikipedia. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Talkback
Yeesh, you've got an awful lot of those annoying, patronising templates on your talk page. Wow. I hate getting those. Anyway, I've rewritten a first draft of the goldsea.com thing in my userspace. It's a great deal shorter, but realistically that was only to be expected. We'll build it up as more reliable sources start to talk about goldsea in future. What do you think of the current draft? Please do feel free to amend it. (NB: Please don't add anything that doesn't have a reliable source, and definitely don't add any adjectives!) Cheers— S Marshall  T/C 23:36, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, I've replied to it. I'd prefer to keep the discussion in one place if possible, so I think my talk page might be the better venue. :) Cheers— S Marshall  T/C 00:24, 16 November 2010 (UTC)