User talk:ABF992/Archive 1


 * Hi ABF992 !
 * Thank U for your contribs about Mrs. Palmyr. I translated it for the french WKP and I have been adding some details to complete it (I mean the french translation). For instance, I have to check when the french Dog club was grounded, since the one I found was grounded in 1898...
 * It's a very good job anyway and it deserved the Good article Status ! Jorune (talk) 11:58, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Merci beaucoup d'avoir fait cette traduction ! C'est très apprécié, et important pour wikipedia francophone. ABF992 (talk) 00:49, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello,
 * Yes I agree ! It's related to many projects (Paris, LGBT, Dogs, Arts,...).
 * By the way, I have checked when le Club du Bouledogue Français was grounded and this is a translation of the summary I wrote yesterday for the French Wikipedia.
 * The first informal meetings between dog owners took place in the early 1880s.
 * According to the Société Centrale Canine, the first French bulldog owners' club, bringing together pet owners in France, was founded a little later, in 1885. Its first President, Charles Roger, was a breeder. A few years later, the American press owner James Gordon Bennett junior, who lived in Paris, founded his own association, the Réunion des amateurs de bouledogues français. The two clubs merged in 1898 to form the Club du bouledogue français.
 * Here is a link with additionnal related topics in french: https://www.centrale-canine.fr/articles/le-bouledogue-francais-lhistoire
 * Sincerly Jorune (talk) 10:29, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Your article about Prof. Zhongde Liu
Hello, I read your article on Prof. Zhongde Liu. I can provide a lot of information about his life and work. I would like to help you edit that article. Can we chat? Thanks! I'm new to wikipedia and I'm still learning to communicate with people in the community. my user id is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Stoptosmellroses
 * Thanks for getting in touch. Actually I did not create that article, I just added some references to it.  If you have some information to add, that would be great, but it needs to be backed up by reliable sources, which are described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources.  Here is some good information about how to add sources if you have never done it before: https://mtsac.libguides.com/wiki/citations-how.  If you want to go ahead and add the info and the sources, I can take a look at it after you are done, or you can feel free to ask if you have any questions about how to go about doing it.

thanks for the links. Is it possible to find the original author? 73.92.38.136 (talk) 17:07, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * To find the original author, you go to 'view history',and then scroll down to the bottom to look at the oldest version of the article. In this case, it looks like the original author never created a wikipedia account. ABF992 (talk) 21:43, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

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Palmire Dumont
Hey ABF992, I've been working on an article on Dumont since June 2nd with, but he noticed today that you published an article on her on the 7th. I am still waiting on one resource from the Resource Exchange, which is why it wasn't published before now. My intent was to take it to good article this month. I would like to merge the two articles, but since you are now the creator, I thought I should ask your thoughts. Please ping me, as my real life is a zoo right now and due to personal reasons I am very busy right now and will not be available at all on Monday. SusunW (talk) 14:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Palmyre (bar owner) is a nice article overall, well done! While @SusunW's version is somewhat more developed and has a few more and more precise citations, you have some additional details that we seem to have overlooked. I would be happy to help with merging the two articles and then we could nominate the result for the Did you know section on the Main Page. —Kusma (talk) 16:29, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks . You know how stressed I am right now and I truly appreciate your offer to help. SusunW (talk) 16:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Kusma SusunW That sounds great, please do merge the two articles. Would be great to see what you came up with! ABF992 (talk) 19:43, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks ABF992 for being willing to collaborate. I just got back, sorry but real life is pressing right now. I don't have the technical know-how to merge them to keep the history intact, so will have to do it. But, it's evening for him, so it may be tomorrow. I've asked Adam Cuerden to work on 2 of the pictures and hopefully he'll be able to help with that. SusunW (talk) 20:50, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. ABF992 (talk) 21:14, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The "Never Say I" source is great! There is a picture on p. 147 that provides an alternative illustration for the bar, the same as this one. Anyway, I will try to produce a merged article tomorrow (and move @SusunW's draft at into mainspace and use a redirect to keep the history, with attribution done via edit summaries as per WP:MERGE. Leave that to me). There is a bit of a question what the best article title is; personally I currently favour Palmire Dumont (I don't see much evidence she used her middle name, and it is naturally unambiguous, unlike "Palmyre") and how to refer to her in the article (there are good arguments both for just "Palmyre" as common in the sources, or for "Dumont" as standard per MOS:LASTNAME and Writing about women). I will need sleep first, though. Happy to hear opinions on these issues (of course, everything can be changed later). —Kusma (talk) 22:31, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Kusma. I like Palmire Dumont as article title as well.  To be honest, I wasn't entirely comfortable with just Palmyre as the article title, since that doesn't seem to be used except in "Palmyre's Bar".  It is of course used by Choquette, who is a good source. And Lautrec called her "Madame Palmyre". So for how to refer to her in the article, perhaps go with "Dumont, who was usually referred to as "Madame Palmyre" or "Palmyre", or something like that." Sweet dreams. ABF992 (talk) 22:45, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I like the illustration as well. Definitely needs to be included. ABF992 (talk) 22:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * LOL "leave that to me", as if I had any clue whatsoever to even try to help . I'd rather use her real name Palmire Dumont for the title, but of course, redirects for variants and the hat note to the fashion designer. Doesn't matter specifically what we call her in the article, but I lean towards Dumont, to avoid using a variant of her first name which seems awfully familiar, but I'm totally okay if y'all decide to go with Palmyre. Yes, pictures! Again, sorry for being so scattered these last few days, but I think we are ready finally for the surgery at 6 a.m. Monday, so hopefully I will have time tomorrow and/or Sunday to help. I do appreciate you both for the collaborative spirit. SusunW (talk) 23:13, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

I have made a start, with an attempt to use your (ABF992) structure and to insert a lot of SusunW's text into it. I've been also double checking the citations and adding some page numbers, so it has been slow work. I have made a first pass of Sections 1–3, but 4–5 and the lead section may need to wait until later or tomorrow. I have probably caused some duplication / missed something important / messed something else up, so please do go through it and edit as you see fit. Some content has been commented out, either because I couldn't quite verify it or because I am not sure whether it is necessary. I will add the "Semiramis bar" picture soon (I am certain it is PD, but will try to check whether I can find a higher resolution version). —Kusma (talk) 21:00, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I thought I might help you,, but I cannot figure out how to see any of my previous text – such is my lack of technical skill I suppose. I'll make a few edits and format the refs for uniformity, as I do want to nominate it for GA and being not uniform is an issue. SusunW (talk) 21:54, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I found an open access link to the Alfred Simon book, but since no hablo francés I have no idea how to search it to see if there is anything in it that will help us. I have cats and a husband to feed, so am probably out for the night. SusunW (talk) 23:08, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both of you SusunW and Kusma. I probably won't get a chance to look at it until tomorrow afternoon or evening, but I will review it then. ABF992 (talk) 00:20, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * SusunW and KusmaGave it a quick read and was very impressed with the amount of detail you were able to find and with Kusma's merge. Will take a more thorough look later. ABF992 (talk) 01:01, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I tried to follow your examples in the edit summary, and finished the merge. I hope I didn't screw anything up, but if I did, we can fix it. Like you I commented out a few things I could not verify. I would love to have a description of À La Souris: Madame Palmyre et son chien, but as neither of the texts cited to the description actually described it, we need a source that does. I also moved the pictures around, but feel free to move them elsewhere. The only frontal portrait I have seen is D.4.323 (p 765), should we use it or not? Haven't heard from Adam Cuerden, but we really need to replace the image of Bouboule with words across it. If both of you would go through it one more time, now that it is fully merged and change anything that needs to be tweaked, that would be great. (Kusma, I told the RX to send you the source I ordered if it comes Monday or Tuesday.) SusunW (talk) 17:52, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @SusunW, great that you found time to continue the merge today (I ended up being too tired and too busy with other things). I have now replaced Bouboule with a non-watermarked version. If you don't get around to it, I'll try to expand the lead section and then nominate for DYK so it has a chance to hit the Main Page during Pride Month. I am aware that you'll be out of commission early next week and will happily work in whatever RX come up with. —Kusma (talk) 18:44, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * For the frontal portrait, I'm not sure it needs to go into the article, but we should have a Commons category with all related images and link to that (and include that picture there). —Kusma (talk) 18:48, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * As you think best I'm happy with whatever choices y'all make. Thanks for fixing the painting of Bouboule. I knew I'd have a couple of hours this morning, but probably won't be back on today. Right now getting ready to play barber and then pack his stuff. I appreciate all of your help and yes, if one of you want to DYK that would be great. I'll see you later in the week. SusunW (talk) 18:56, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Nominated, see Template:Did you know nominations/Palmire Dumont. I would be happy about additional suggestions for how this could appear on the Main Page ("hooks") or what image to use. —Kusma (talk) 21:07, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Kusma SusunW It looks great; I made a few copy edits. As for the DYI hook, I like Alt1 the best, referencing her and the dog.  I would either use the dog as DYI image, or the lead image in the article, which shows her and the dog.  I looked at the frontal image of her, but it seemed too light to be of much use.  Appreciate all you have done.
 * Thank you both so much. ABF992, I like that you split the assessment of her from the what happened when she died. I was hurrying because my time was so limited. Good call. I like the idea of a commons category, but have no clue how to do that. I also agree the frontal image isn't great, but wanted y'all to look at it since it's the only one I found. I think it should be in commons if we make a category, though. (Would love to know what the 1892 image Christie's sold was, but I couldn't find it. Searching for Christie's, Lautrec, 2010, produced only 3 results for me, and I figured it was that "block Mexico" thing.) The DYK nomination looks good too . I like Alt2 as the focus is on her, but any of them are fine. I'd like to nominate it for GA after it is on the main page, but if that doesn't happen before the end of the month, will nominate it anyway for Women in Green's editathon this month. SusunW (talk) 12:26, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * My current theory is that the Christie's image was offered for sale in November 2010 but sold in February 2011 and is this one. Does it look like the other sketch? Can we find out more about it?
 * I am not sure we can get her on the Main Page this month, there is a bit of a backlog of biographies at DYK at the moment. But you can nominate her for GA independent from that. I'll deal with the Commons category later, please remind me if I haven't done it by the end of the week. —Kusma (talk) 15:35, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Wow! If that is her, I'd love to use it, but I cannot confirm that at all. The Christie's page says it is in Dortu, volume 2 on pages 279 and 461. Archive.org only has vols 4, 5, and 6. Google books hits on 2, but when you pull it up it is vol 1. Worldcat doesn't show any open access volumes. *sigh* Tout l'œuvre peint de Toulouse-Lautrec is on Hathitrust, but locked, so cannot see p. 113. *sigh again* Toulouse-Lautrec by G. Néret has no on-line version that I can find. So *deep sigh* I think it's a bust. SusunW (talk) 22:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think we'd need someone with access to Dortu vol. 2 to check this out. Anyway, I started commons:Category:Palmire Dumont to collect all related images. —Kusma (talk) 21:44, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I added a request to the RX. Fingers crossed. SusunW (talk) 23:44, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * KusmaSusunW Thanks again to both of you for all you are doing. I have had a death in the family, so am not able to participate as much as I might have.  Onward..
 * ABF992, my sincere condolences. I hope that you will be able to move to the place where grief subsides and you can remember the joyous times shared. We're kind of in wait mode, wait to see if the RX finds sources, wait to see if the DYK is reviewed, wait to see if the GA nom is picked up. When and as you can, jump in. Kusma and I will keep watch, no worries. SusunW (talk) 21:36, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Palmire Dumont
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