User talk:ABasileus

Please stop linking the same information about Dorian Gray syndrome from orlistat, sildenafil etc. This is one report of this phenomenon, and one cannot speak of a trend until this has been documented more extensively. JFW | T@lk  07:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

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Dorian Gray syndrom is just a name for something recognized since many years. The authors are clinical Medicines, the cited Publication is just one out of many. Epidemical studys are underway, a congress is terminated next autumn and a crossfaculty discussion is to be noticed in Germany. I would agree to place the Hint under a Chapter 'Controversy' in each of the Articles, but i dont see a rational reason to delete the entire Link, through there is a controversial debate about the proper usage of Medication of this class. This Debate is not of pure medical nature, through there are ethical, philosophical, socio-cultural and gouvernmental implications. The term 'Dorian-Gray syndrome' has been used in a brochure of the german ministry of Health and Welfare, there where TV-Emmissions titled that way and philosophical essays.

Coming back to wikipedia: I dont see, why Online Encyclopaedic Information about single Medicaments should consist of only this 'Beipackzettel`. In addition to that legally enforced Information that are to be found in each dose of the medicament itself, too - I do expect Wikipedia to deliver more Informational Aspects. Or would you say, that a medicament doesnt has a social, psychological, economical, or ethical aspect ?

So i would say, that informing about abusal possibilities and Counter Indications is a good encyclopaedic style, not to be deleted .... for more, write me an email (bmedien@web.de)..... ABasileus 22:27, 20 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The fact that a tiny proportion of people may be using these medications for Dorian Gray syndrome does not mean it should be listed as a contraindication. That would be irresponsible and actually rather paternalistic. Why deny a 65-year old diabetic with erectile dysfunction his Viagra because he happens to have this new condition?


 * I will not support a "controversy" paragraph in each of your favoured medications because you feel the world needs to be informed about Dorian Gray syndrome. I would support this if you had hard evidence (e.g. some case reports) of abuse of these substances as a direct result of Dorian Gray syndrome.


 * Again, I don't doubt the existence of the syndrome or the fact that it poses a risk factor for abuse of lifestyle drugs, but I think the evidence is too premature to warrant extensive linking all over Wikipedia. JFW | T@lk  22:57, 20 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I do have much work to do, so I will give you a longer answer this weekend, but for now:

Epidemologie : http://www.uni-leipzig.de/~medpsy/x_brae_home.html

Brosig, B., Euler, S., Brähler, E., Gieler, U. (2005) Das Dorian Gray Syndrom. In: Trüeb, R. A. (Hg.) : Smart aging. Darmstadt, Steinkopff (in press).

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