User talk:ACHKC

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AfD nomination of The Feast of Immortal Peaches
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 * Rocket000 & ShuminWeb's feedback appreciated. Several English links have been given in the past day or so.  The lack of full english translation or english websites for both books, should not deprive the opportunities for both books to be included in the English Wikipedia for the simple reasons that the messages therein might be worthwhile or of interest to some of your readers.  UHH is 320,000 words in Chinese, FOIP probably 130,000~150,000, a pity that no scholars have yet translated them.  That said, the latitude I requested yesterday is to see if Wiki have any editor conversant with chinese to at least give the two passages a review before you dismiss them as contrived, and delete them summarily.ACHKC 01:59, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ACHKC, I truly believe you are working here in good faith. I never said I thought it to be contrived or fake, I just said it's not verified. Let me explain why it I submitted it for deletion. Your articles aren't something I normally put up for deletion, but someone else had already marked it for speedy deletion . After reviewing the article "Understanding Heaven and Hell" and talking with you, I decided that it shouldn't be speedy, however, as is standard process, when another editor removes a speedy delete, they should list it in Articles for Deletion (AfD). This is basically a way to get other editor's input. This also gives you more time in finding sources. I'll try to help in anyway possible, but I obviously don't speak Chinese. Any further discussion pertaining to these articles should be discussed on their respective AfD pages, so other editors may see it. So far, I don't see any consensus forming, which defaults to keeping the articles. I wish you (and these pages) the best of luck. -Rocket000 10:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Sources in Chinese?
Could you provide any more sources mentioning those books? Mention them at the AfD disscussions in that case. Thank you. --Victor falk 16:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

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March 2008
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 * Thank you Vassyana. I have tried, most scholarly writings on Taoism, Tao is well, scholarly. On Tao and Taoism as I said I was trying to give it a view from Taoists' stance, sadly one that has yet to been elaborated by Western Scholars, indeed scholars.  How might I go about including this view, or should it according to WP policy be silenced altogther?  By the same token the intro on Taoism with the last edit by you V, was ok but half of it was on a Debate (suggesting no one knows what it is), a quarter of it on Tao being translated as way or path, attributable to Waley or two or three Scholars, simply does not do justice to say what Taoism is to your reader.   I have grown to like some of the WP contents, but perhaps on this subject WP need to stretch its policy to consider what is out there, because no scholars have written on views that is anywhere near representational.  RSVP ACHKC (talk) 01:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Take another example that I dearly wish to include in the article on Taoism, may be in the adherent section or just below- namely who is a Taoist? A couple of hundred words is all it needs which will give it a socio-political perspective, again no citable reference perhaps even with a tinge of OR, a subject no Taoists have aired, certainly not by a scholar listed in the same page, can it be done, trial in WP sandbox?? ACHKC (talk) 02:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is simply intended to summarize published information about topics. Claims must be verifiable in reputable sources and they must presented in proper proportion. The conclusions and claims of editors should not be used. It may be helpful if you find some references written by well-known teachers and followers of Taoism. There are a lot of books written from such a perspective, though we must be careful to avoid vanity press publications and similar materials. Regarding a sandbox, if you would like, I could make a copy of the Taoism article in your userspace for you to work on. I will also see what is available in my Questia access and personal book collection, to see if I have any appropriate sources for you. Let me know what assistance you would like that I can offer. If you have any further questions, please let me know. Cheers! Vassyana (talk) 05:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I have also recently run across your latest contributions, and have started to modify them, as they seem to reflect one particular sect of Taoism. As you probably know, Taoism is a large subject with a long history, and here at Wikipedia we don't focus on one aspect of a subject to the exclusion of others. I have especially been changing or removing what seem to be opinions or conclusions in the articles. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, so we can report those of others, but we can't represent our own as forgone. Regards, --Bradeos Graphon Βραδέως Γράφων (talk) 14:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

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April 2008
Although you've already been informed about WP verifiability and citation policies above and elsewhere, you continue to ignore them (for instance, adding "大橈氏" under Sexagenary cycle and Celestial stem). Chinese-language webpages and blogs may be acceptable references in the Chinese 維基百科 but the English Wikipedia relies upon published English-language references. Please cooperate. Thanks. Keahapana (talk) 20:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Taoism
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 * I would be more than happy to help or contribute in my own way which hopefully is within the many WP rules.ACHKC (talk) 03:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Tao page
ACHKC - I've been doing some editing over at Tao trying to simplify things, and I've been quandrying over the 'Philosophies Complementing Practices' and 'Manifestations of Tao' sections, which (I think) are largely your inspiration. I think they are very dense - to the point that I'm not sure what the original intention of either was - and I'd like to get some feedback from you before I do anything with them. can you explain a bit? -- Ludwigs 2 03:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Ludwigs, I recall I only corrected the title word from Characteristic to Manifestations, the former too scientific the latter a softer & more naturalistic title for the text to ensue, other than that I did not contribute much to that section. On Philosophies complementing practices it was meant to convey amongst other subjects, the Taoist philosophies do not contradict but instead complement the practice- they must be practised intandem to be specific!  Anything that I know, shoot, I'd be glad to help anyway I can. ACHKC (talk) 06:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * ah, yeah... well, I'd gleaned that much from the text.  I've just been wondering how to simplify and clarify it.  hmmm... :-)  -- Ludwigs 2  03:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The Intro simplification by others seemed to have taken out the core aspects of Tao which is still within the sections of 'Philosophies Complementing Practices'- for instance Tao is both immanent and transcendent (Kohn Daoism Hanbook p67 quoting Schwartz p370), hope your simplifying can retain this. ACHKC (talk) 04:09, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Disha 72 ways
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 * Probable hoax, Tiantang youji 天堂遊記 is "spirit-writing" fiction and not a Daoist text, interwiki redlinks

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Proposed deletion of Tiangang 36 methods
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Proposed deletion of Souyuan
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