User talk:ACP2011/Archive 16

dittu +1 for Monmouthpedia barnstar!!
And thanks for help on the G'pedia article - there are some Welsh refs here if you think they are useful - and they also refer to M'pedia. link Have you noticed that I've been adding your articles to Openstreetmap as you do them? cheers Victuallers (talk) 08:44, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'm not sure what Openstreetmap is. I'll try to look it up. Anne (talk) 10:43, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Re
I've already reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Kosmos 2481, so your review is not needed. Thanks. Aaron  &bull; You Da  One 13:39, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but my review was concurrent with yours, so the article can have two reviews. Anne (talk) 14:02, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * A quarter of an hour after I had published mine is not concurrent. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 14:06, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As I politely pointed out to you already, I finished my copy edit portion of my review at 13:04, twelve minutes before you signed off on your review. As I finished my review of this article and in subsequent discussion with you this morning, I have received a series of edit conflict warnings. That is because we were working concurrently. Not only do reviewers occasionally review an article concurrently, but it is not uncommon for a series of reviewers to work on an article to prepare it for DYK. I don't understand why you attempted to hide my review and subsequent comments. Nor do I understand why you persist at this. No one is attempting to take away your credit for performing a review. Anne (talk) 14:42, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * How can you go into edit conflict at 13:04 (must be 14:04 for me), when I didn't press save until 14:16? And how can you be put into a series of edit conflicts when I only clicked save once? I don't get it. Then how did it take you a further 16 minutes to save your review at 14:32? It couldn't have take you 30/35 minutes to do the review. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One

Re: Gibraltar Diamond Jubilee Flotilla
Good evening! No harm in asking... I'll ask a couple of guys whom I know took pics of the event on our facebook group. By the way if you're on facebook, come join us! --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 17:36, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. My kids are on Facebook, but not me. Just one more thing that would use up my time. Anne (talk) 18:31, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

page numbers
Thanks for reviewing Kosmos 2481. You didn't need to add page 15 to the book citation template - it was already given in the reference. Adding it to the template means that the book template cannot be used to refer to to other pages in the book. I use list defined references and give page numbers using Template:R, an example is in the Strela-3 para.This gives the reference [7], with a colon and the page number after. It's how you refer to multiple pages in the same book - see Help:References_and_page_numbers. Quick question - hy did you change the order of the references after the sentence about the GRAU index here? People do this and I don't understand why. Thanks Secretlondon (talk) 15:40, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Kosmos
Oops! Sorry. I thought I was helping by putting in the page. The only reason I changed the order of the references is that it's customary for them to appear in numerical order. It's just a tidying up thing. No biggie! Anne (talk) 15:47, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Marina Bay, Gibraltar
Yngvadottir (talk) 00:04, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * see here Victuallers (talk) 19:56, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Queensway Quay Marina, Gibraltar
Orlady (talk) 00:03, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ocean Village Marina, Gibraltar
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Equidissection
Hey ACP2011, did you want to take another look at this? Cheers, Melchoir (talk) 04:09, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. Anne (talk) 10:31, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: DYK nom for Gibraltarpedia
Hi Anne, sorry for the delayed reply. I can only echo what Victuallers said, some people just can't see the bigger picture... I have no idea what the reviewer possibly means by "local and vary internetty". Wikipedia itself is very internetty, is it not? Besides, there are no guidlines as far as I'm aware that tells us we should discredit local newspapers, etc. I'm sorry I cannot get involved in this one. Maybe you can request another reviewer to look into it?

Anyway, I have to say that I am absolutely amazed by what you have acheived so far. My articles spend months in my sandbox and you just keep churning them out! Absolutely wonderful, well done! --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 11:28, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Wikipedia is based on the internet, with well more than 95% of the sources that I use coming from the internet. I occasionally visit the library for sources or buy a book, but that is the exception rather than the rule. And, a couple of days ago it struck me that for some reason we have not been using Gibraltarpedia and Monmouthpedia themselves as sources. Which really makes no sense. In the course of writing an article on any other company or organization, we would have no hesitation to utilize the company website(s). I'm going to use that approach. One reviewer thought there wasn't enough information in the article, the other thought there was too much. It sounds like one reviewer wants a total rewrite. Ugh! Anne (talk) 13:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The thing with Gibraltarpedia is that technically it's not a website in its own right so it would be like referencing another Wikipedia article and I'm pretty sure that's not allowed... Do let me know if you can find a way round it though! --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 14:52, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * There's got to be some way around it. We're so limited if we can't access any of the information available there. Anne (talk) 15:30, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Bristol Naturalists' Society
Orlady (talk) 00:04, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Algeciras
Hi, I understand Algeciras is part of Gibraltarpedia? I was wondering if you could help me translate the featured article from spanish into english? Started User:Gibmetal77/Algeciras. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:33, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I think this message is on the wrong page. I believe it's meant for Gibmetal77. Anne (talk) 13:20, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Nono, I know you've done some brilliant work for Gibraltarpedia and thought you might speak Spanish and help translate. Its a big article so could use a collaborative team.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:37, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll be happy to help. I speak some French and Spanish, although I'm better at translating from French. Anne (talk) 13:53, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. What I'll do is copy chunks to gradually translate I think and add both the Spanish text and the google translate version, bes to work off the translated version and proof read against the Spanish. I'll start with the lead.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I just glanced at the article and saw some paragraphs in English. Are those the google-translate paragraphs? Anne (talk) 15:47, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes. It will be quicker to google translate and then add the original Spanish underneath and then proof read, save typing a lot of it out.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for North Mole, Gibraltar Harbour
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Gibraltar Diamond Jubilee Flotilla
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:08, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Our first contributor?
Hi Anne, as you see, your name appears in this template :-) We will be updating the template with who is in the lead and being as we have no entries so far we thought we'd put Anne down (it should say ACP2011 I know). I see you have written an article about the Harbour Master which Ive nommed for DYK. Would you add this article to here?. This will start us off we hope in inviting lots more to help. Victuallers (talk) 10:20, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the DYK nomination for Roy Stanbrook. Cute hook! And I just found out the other day that you were responsible for tracking down that Flicker photo for Gibraltar Diamond Jubilee Flotilla. Excellent! I've signed up for the current challenge. Can I use any of my other Gibraltar articles, or were they written before the start date? Now that the formal challenge has started, you should be flooded with articles! Anne (talk) 10:54, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Quick question: I noticed that the nom for Roy Stanbrook is listed under Aug 25, but it should really be under Aug 27, because that's when it was moved to article space. How do I go about the process of changing the date? (I know it seems like a minor issue, but I've found that the most recent nominations are more likely to be reviewed promptly.) Thanks! Anne (talk) 10:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Roy Stanbrook
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Anne, the man himself left me a message on my talk page. I replied on his, of course attributing the work to you... --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 08:01, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Re:Gibraltar Harbour
I noticed the article too Anne but it's not a problem. As it stands it's a very short stub so I would just replace it with your draft. Something similar happened to me with Grand Casemates Square! Even if a longer article had been created by someone else you could still incorporate your work. Anyway, go for it! :) --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 06:17, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * How do I replace it? I don't think I've ever replaced an article. (I have to admit, I'm a little annoyed. If you look at the second reference, it's page 13 from a 64 page handbook that I've used extensively in my articles. The reference, however, has almost nothing to do with the short paragraph written by the author.) Thank you. Anne (talk) 06:27, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't be annoyed Anne, these things happen all the time and I'm sure the editor in question did not realise you were working on the article. Red links don't necessarily mean someone is working on that article but rather that the article is yet to be created. Some people don't like them but I favour red links as they tell us the work that's yet to be done and an editor may see it and want to start work on it. I also favour drafts being developed in a sandbox before release but others prefer creating stubs for other to expand. Anyway, it's easy, you just click on edit at the top and copy/paste your article in. --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 06:59, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * What will happen to the "revision history" for my article? And will I have to delete my user draft? Can I switch his stub back to a user draft? I would like to continue to make a comprehensive article. I was basically planning on having my harbour article be my "main" article for GibraltarpediA, with many of my smaller articles contributing and linking to it. If my draft goes to article space, I'll never have a chance to make it comprehensive or submit it for DYK, before everyone descends on it and starts critiquing it and saying, for example, that there's nothing about history. Well, that's because I haven't gotten to it yet. There's been so much to write about the present. There's that pesky five day limit for DYK. The other author submitted it on the 29th, so I've already lost 2 days. I feel like either his stub should be deleted or I should rename my draft "Gibraltar Harbour, Gibraltar" and go back and redo all the (numerous) links from my articles to Gibraltar Harbour. (And, yes, I understand the meaning of the red links, but the pale red ones usually indicate that someone is in the middle of writing a draft. Before I write an article, I check two ways, if it's a Wikipedia project. I use the box in the upper right corner, but I also go to all the project pages and check for the status (written, being written, or not written) and whether there are images available. Anne (talk) 07:25, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The revision history can be merged by an admin. See here. I wouldn't worry about any of this now. You can copy your draft into Gibraltar Harbour once you're happy with it. Don't worry about the DYK time limit either. DYK is either for a new article or one which has been expanded at least five-fold. As the current article is so short, once you copy your draft in it will count as a five-fold expansion at which point you'll have 5 days to submit a nom. However, if you're still worried, then it may be prudent if you leave a comment on the article's talk page telling editors you're working on a major overhaul of the article and also notify its creator as a precaution so no one expands that article for the moment.
 * As for the pale red links, this just means it's a link that you have recently viewed (no one else will see it as pale red unless they too have recently clicked on it). In the same manner blue links are displayed as dark blue if you've recently viewed them. I hope this helps to clarify your concerns, but believe me, you have nothing to worry about. By all means, if you're still concerned about anything, you know where to find me... :) --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 11:50, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. Once more, well done on all those quality articles you're contributing! Maybe we can nominate them for Good Article status in the near future...
 * Thank you. I always thought that everyone else saw the pale red links, too. I like your idea of a note on the talk page. Anne (talk) 12:42, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
undefined — Bill william compton Talk   12:49, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Anne, I see you've met "Bill" - nice guy. I can see that Gib Harbour was going to be the centre of your recent effort. I think this just means that you can be assured of getting a version in Hindi (which Bill is fluent in). As for DYKk, remember that they have 5x expansion rule - which I'm guessing you will pass. Hopefully Bill will assist you and maybe supply translations? cheers Victuallers (talk) 13:20, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll ask him if he could do a Hindi version when I'm closer to being finished. Good idea! Anne (talk) 13:32, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Synagogues in Gibraltar
Hi Anne, a move away from maritime-related articles? Anyway, an excellent choice of topic to write about! I'll see if I can find anyone who has some pics to contribute. I think the consensus for naming these overview articles is to use the List of X in Gibraltar as you did for the Lighthouses article... --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 11:48, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I actually had a question about that. In this case, there's no list or chart. It's more like my Old Steine Gardens article than my List of lighthouses in Gibraltar article. Instead, I'm tackling all four synagogues comprehensively in one article. Would one still use the name "List" then in the title? (And it's just a quick departure from maritime, although a bit of a challenge for this Roman Catholic.) It would be great if we could come up with some photos. I spent some time looking last night, but I couldn't find any in Wikipedia/Wikimedia. I only found that one Ark of the Law for Torah scrolls photo, which is an interior shot. Thank you. Anne (talk) 13:06, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Great work as always Anne! I think it should be OK titled as it is. As a Roman Catholic you may find Roman Catholic churches in Gibraltar interesting... --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 23:21, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I just had a minor edit conflict and I saw that we added the exact same three categories! I bet that doesn't happen very often. I added an in use banner because I'm going to work on the article some more this evening, but if you find something that you really want to add, just go for it. I'm going to add some details, including about current operations. I did an external link to a web site that had the approximate locations of all 4 synagogues on a map. I then used those to get the coordinates and added them to the article. Is there such a thing as a map of Gibraltar (similar to what I used for the naval hospital) where I could indicate the sites of all 4 hospitals? Also, I just saw that you added a photo for the hospital. Thank you! Anne (talk) 23:33, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha, good choice of categories! I'll give it a rest now, it's almost 02:00am here and it's high time I went to bed! I'm sure there's a way of adding more than one location pin to the map, I just have no idea how to... Maybe Roger can point you in the right direction. Regarding the Naval Hospital, no probs, I knew I'd seen old postcards somewhere! How come the location map isn't appearing on the page? --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 23:49, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought you deleted the map when you added the photo. Let me take a look and see whether I can coax it back. Anne (talk) 05:02, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Gibraltar Cruise Terminal
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:02, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Sorbus x houstoniae
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Pancreatic injury
Anne, you did a review on this nomination last month. Orlady has just done a bit of work on the article, and I was wondering if you could revisit the discussion there to see which of her ideas seems feasible. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:35, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to take a look today. Anne (talk) 16:41, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Anne, thanks for your extensive additions. The last thing you posted on the 7th seemed to indicate that you felt the article needed more, and you'd be coming back to add it. Where does the article stand now, and is it ready for DYK or does it need more? BlueMoonset (talk) 17:10, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

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King's Bastion
Hi Anne, saw your draft on this which is looking good but thought I'd let you know I'd already started this one too. Was hoping to release it within the week so shall we put our heads together on this one? :) --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 19:26, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure. Take a look and let's see what we can do. Anne (talk) 19:28, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, let's do a double DYK, assuming we're allowed to for Gibraltarpedia! Anne (talk) 19:35, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * See here. What do you mean by a double DYK? --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 19:40, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Also check out my other works in progress so we don't duplicate our work in future, but please feel free to edit any of those! :) --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 19:40, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * A double DYK is when you submit an article that one or more people have worked on together. Your sandbox page-how did you create that? It would be so nice to have one page where I could keep track of what I'm working on. For that matter, how do you see what I'm working on? It would be nice to know, because sometimes I start articles, and then forget about them, because I "lose" them! Anne (talk) 19:49, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool, sounds good!
 * You should be able to see a My sandbox link in the top right corner of your screen between My talk and My preferences, no? It's essentialy another subpage...
 * I can see what you're working on from your contributions page. If you go to the bottom of this page you can see your subpages, you have lots. Once you no longer need a subpage you can request for it to be deleted by blanking it and adding . Hope this helps! --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 20:04, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Profield Contractors
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Libby Houston
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Royal Naval Hospital Gibraltar
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: Secret
Haha, no secret! I realised the parameters for the map coordinates were wrong by checking them at Template:Infobox monument. In the article they were down as lat & long whereas the correct ones were latd & longd. :) --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 21:52, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah! You actually altered the template slightly! Anne (talk) 22:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

St Mary's Church, Longfleet
Hi Anne, thanks for your review and help with this article. I'm going to be away from internet access for a few days, so can't fix it straight away. Meantime I have a question about the sentence derived from flickr: do I remove the reference and leave the statement assuming it is in good faith until a ref can be found, or do I delete the words entirely? That's the only one I can't sort without finding an original source which I'm not in a position to do right now. Cheers. --Bermicourt (talk) 13:15, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * If you're just going to be away for a few days, I wouldn't worry about the flickr text and ref. Between the two of us, we might be able to find another source or sources for at least parts of the sentence. When you have internet access, you can work on it again. I can look over the weekend for you, too. If I find something, I'll just go ahead and substitute the reference(s). Have a good weekend. Anne (talk) 13:32, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Jews' Gate Cemetery
Yngvadottir (talk) 00:03, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for American War Memorial, Gibraltar
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Gibraltar War Memorial
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Synagogues of Gibraltar
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Your DYK article on the front page
It's being mentioned here. I'm sorry nobody had the courtesy to inform you earlier. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 19:57, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Anne.  The problem is nothing to do with your article itself - it's just that you've inadvertently been caught up in a furore about the Gibraltarpedia initiative as a whole, and about what some people see as User:Victuallers' conflict of interest in being reimbursed for services by the Gibraltar government at the same time as editing (or promoting) articles.  Hopefully the fuss will die down and normal service will be resumed, but there's masses of very animated discussion about all this on various talk pages if you want to search it out.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:39, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I feel kind of foolish. I had absolutely no idea that anything was going on with Gibraltarpedia or Victuallers. When I first received the notice this afternoon, I actually thought that there was some sort of antisemitism in play. I saw the notice about Roger resigning. I'm so sorry. Anne (talk) 21:17, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: Politics
Hi Anne. I'm in a rush, but just to let you know that I'm doing my best to explain on all discussion pages that what we're trying to achieve is just that, improve notable encyclopaedic content on Gibraltar (Roger's COI aside). To discredit the efforts of so many volunteers who spend so many hours to serve Wikipedia’s cause is senseless. I’m sure though that the whole COI issue they have with Roger will settle soon and people will be able to see past this and realise what great work you, me and so many other are doing. Will get back to you later this evening, have a nice day and try not to stress! :) --Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 12:22, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Anne, please don't quit. You are doing exactly what you thought, improving wikipedia's content for Gibraltar and doing a fantastic job which a lot of people here respect you for. However, every now and then "scandals" crop up which are dealt with heavy handedly out of excessive fear about something wihether its BLPs, editors found to be serial copyrighters or paid editors with a purpose. In this case this is exactly what has happened, your articles have been pulled not because of the quality of your edits but out a perhaps irrational fear that you're also a paid editor who is promoting Gibraltar and making it pro-tourism. Please be patient and when the articles have been checked and this blows over you will be able to continue to wonderful work you've been doing. I beg you not to quit DYK or wikipedia but please understand why this is being done.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:34, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Totally concur with the comments above. Furores like this blow up here every so often, and then they're resolved or subside again - in the mean time, those who fan the flames have little idea of the collateral damage they do to unbiased, good faith and excellent content editors like yourself. Hang in there - maybe identify an area of interest yourself, or link in to another Wikiproject where you can just improve and establish articles without the competitive element. Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:51, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Anne... I don't have strong enough words to say how much we don't want to see you leave this project. You've been inadvertently caught up in the whole "Bamkin's consultancy business" mess, but nobody believes you are to blame in any way. As so many folks have said, you do good work, and there are lots of subject matters that can use your touch and are not tainted with suspicions in any way. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  16:09, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Oh Anne, I have to join those who are saying how sorry we are :-( Please don't give up on this place or on Did You Know. I assume your synagogues article will be run again after this is all dealt with, and I do apologize for your not having been notified. (I learned the hard way to look at that unpleasant project talk page every once in a while, but in this case it's a particularly unpleasant read.) Yngvadottir (talk) 17:12, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Even I'm bearing the brunt of the scandal and am facing AFDs..♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:13, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for all the above comments. Dr. Blofeld, I'm so sorry to hear that you're caught up in all of this. Anne (talk) 19:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The best way to respond, I think, would be to produce as many high-quality new Gibraltar-related articles as possible and shame the idiots who've ginned up this faux controversy into backing down. Prioryman (talk) 13:13, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Me too Anne. But please see that there are many more people who haven't commented here who've noticed your articles and been deeply grateful that you are contributing so well. We love your work here more than I think you realise, keep it coming! This should blow over soon enough and hopefully it will become enjoyable for you again. I agree completely P-man, if we could get a set of Good articles on Gibraltar to shove in their face.. In fact if Tourism in Gibraltar was brought up to FA level we'd be laughing. Can you find anything on Flat Bastion Road, Bristol Hotel, Gibraltar or The Rock Hotel? The first two are at AFD; Bristol should be safe but Flat Bastion's future is dubious, I suppose we could create a Roads in Gibraltar article? I think 'll make a start later. Anne are you living in Gibraltar? We could use some photos of the hotels and road. I think its the road with the monkeys on the wall which having visited Gibraltar myself is definitely notable.♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:45, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm actually doing this as a hobby from Chicago, Illinois. Before this week it was fun (although my children don't like it when I spend time on the computer--they want more time online!) If there are any articles that are up for deletion, I'll be happy to help with them. For the time being, I'm out of DYK, though. I'm very disappointed with how political it is. I also like your idea of bringing up some of the Gibraltar articles to a higher level, although I've never tried to do it and I really don't know what's involved. Maybe one or more of you could take a look and see whether any of my articles are candidates. In addition to the 14 that are listed under the Gibraltarpedia competition here, I wrote Gibraltar articles earlier in the summer, before the contest, trying to be helpful because I'd heard that the project was working on Gibraltar next. They include: Europa Point Lighthouse, Gibraltar North Mole Lighthouse, Gibraltar South Mole Lighthouse, Gibraltar North Mole Elbow Lighthouse, Gibraltar Aerobeacon, Lighthouses in Gibraltar, South Mole, Gibraltar Harbour, Gibraltar Detached Mole ("B" Head) Lighthouse, Gibraltar Detached Mole ("C" Head) Lighthouse, Detached Mole, Gibraltar Harbour, North Mole, Gibraltar Harbour, Marina Bay, Gibraltar, Queensway Quay Marina, Gibraltar, Ocean Village Marina, Gibraltar, and Gibraltar Diamond Jubilee Flotilla. Also, I would suggest that if we're going to make this a collaborative effort, that we work first on any articles that are up for deletion. Just let me know where to start and I'll go for it. Also, while I obviously can't take any photos, I have been able to find a few old Gibraltar photos and upload them to Wikimedia. Perhaps we can find more photos that way for both types of articles, up for deletion and general upgrading. Also, Gibmetal77 has been wonderfully helpful and may be able to connect us with needed photos. My children are home from school today and finally got out of bed. Teenagers are high maintenance. In between chauffeuring gigs today, I'll see what I can find for Flat Bastion Road. Anne (talk) 16:41, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, so much for collaboration. I worked on Flat Bastion Road this afternoon and it was going really well. Added a substantial amount of text and refs. Then, I just started getting edit conflicts. I've given up. I'm not sure what the point is of adding long names to references that have already been completely formatted. Is it to make it look like someone is contributing to the article substantially? How does it improve an article to do that? I was never able to even add my final text and references. My lead was completely eliminated. Anne (talk) 23:33, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Apologies. Edit conflicts were almost certainly me.  I was trying to source dump newspaper and book sources into the article to help with WP:GNG issue on the AfD. --LauraHale (talk) 01:42, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I think people are still working on it this evening. I managed to get another reference in there in between other people's edits! Anne (talk) 01:54, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * My writing has issues. : / I tend to write to prove notability, includes random details that need additional sources to frame the information better, and the prose tends to be clunky.  Most of the articles I edit have few editors so I tend to not think about edit conflicts.  The work you did was good. :) I just thought a few more newspaper sources, television sources, book sources, government publications which were more specifically about the road would make a better case at AfD. --LauraHale (talk) 03:14, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you're probably right: when an article's up for deletion, the more info the better. It can always be edited out later. I'm having a bit of a hard time keeping up with all the edits. It's still very active. It looks like someone already did some editing out of information from the history section this evening, because the section suddenly got smaller. I went ahead in the past hour and moved the school back into the history section because while I suspect the building itself isn't notable and, for all I know, may be gone, its history is notable. It was nice of you to help out with the article today. We're trying to save some of these Gibraltar articles, because apparently they're being targeted for deletion, at least that's my understanding. Anne (talk) 03:21, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Back to what you mentioned before: I haven't noticed any clunkiness to your prose! Anne (talk) 03:43, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've had DYKs turned down because the prose was less than ideal. :( I've been pretty much put off the process because some of these comments end up appearing sexist and able-ist in terms of the content that doesn't get the pass. On writing style,  Wikipedia can kind of force FACT.[CITE] FACT.[CITE] FACT.[CITE] style writing, because it is really hard to end up with workable prose when you're drawing from about 10 sources to write one paragraph.  My academic supervisors think my prose writing has been... made worse because of Wikipedia.  (It is why I prefer to write for Wikinews.)  Your afternoon writing took place around 7am my time.  Got up and decided to work on that article as the hotel one seems like it has enough sources now. --LauraHale (talk) 05:08, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Superb work both of you on Flat Bastion Road. I'll ask for some photos. In regards to better articles, Anne pick any of those articles and try to make it as good as possible, find as many sources and content as possible. Once you can find no more give me a bell and I'll make a recommndation on whether or not to propose it for a Good article. I'd be happy to review it for you or help you get articles up to GA. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  07:30, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Road Good aRticles are a pain in the ass. I've asked some one involved with the project what needs to be done with the article to take it to GA. The history needs to be there, especially the early history which is missing.  It also needs more information on the road features, such as intersections, road width, road markings, etc. The few sources I've looked at haven't included this, and the roads people tend to use Google Maps as a source for the major intersections part. --LauraHale (talk) 12:00, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Nobody said anything about taking Flat Bastion to GA!!♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:54, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I would think that it would be fairly difficult to find substantial information on the early history of most roads. As for maps, which I really like to use, I've been shot down more than once for using them in DYK, which I just don't understand. Anne (talk) 12:57, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You can use maps to further information for sure. I use google maps all of the time. See Gwebin etc. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:10, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow! I just took a look at the article. Apparently, collaboration can be very effective. It looks great! Also, I didn't know about the maps for free website. The maps are a nice addition to the article. Since inline citations were used for the first paragraph of the lead, I'll add some for the second paragraph. The contributor who cleaned up the references did a nice job. Does anyone know whether there's an actual rule limiting use of maps as a source? Anne (talk) 13:24, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes Anne they were made on mapsforfree based on Open Street Map, google either one. nope you can make a map of anything you want. Quality is not the best but its better than nothing.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:53, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Imzadi1979 and User:rschen7754 are part of the roads project. They can answer questions about use of road maps better than I can.  My understanding is you can use maps as sources, so long as you're describing the map. --LauraHale (talk) 09:49, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Anne (talk) 13:40, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Anne, do you speak Spanish? User:Gibmetal77/sandbox/Algeciras needs translation from Spanish.♦ Dr. Blofeld
 * Oops. That's what I was talking about a week ago. I sometimes lose track of what I'm supposed to be working on. We had talked about translating the Algeciras article. I'm more fluent with French than Spanish, but if I sit down with a dictionary, I should be able to make some progress. Anne (talk) 13:40, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Still working on the Flat Bastion Road article. Found something else this morning that I think we can use. Is the Flat Bastion which is a listed building under the Gibraltar Heritage Trust the same as the Flat Bastion Barracks that have been converted to housing? Anne (talk) 15:07, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd imagine so, yes. Cheers.♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:09, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I ended up being able to answer my own question with more research. The Flat Bastion includes both the Flat Bastion Magazine and the Flat Bastion Barracks. The Bastion and the Magazine are listed separately with the Trust, which I understand. What's confusing is why St. Jago's Bastion has a separate listing, when it is supposedly the same as the Flat Bastion. I just sent Flat Bastion to article space, although I'm still working on it. I'm still going to research the St. Jago's Bastion issue, too, because it doesn't make sense. Anne (talk) 14:58, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: Flat Bastion
Hi Anne. I've never come across a name for the archway/gate in Charles V Wall at the end of Flat Bastion Road, so it's either unnamed or the name has gone into disuse. Indeed, a section of the southern wall of Flat Bastion was cut/demolished to make way for Gardiner's Road which connects Flat Bastion Road to Europa Road. You can see a photo of the cross-section of the cut wall on DiscoverGibraltar. Been wanting to take some photos but I've had my one year old in hospital so not had much time. I've started reading up on the deletion review but I'll have to finish reading in the morning. Remember to take everything you read in these discussions with a handful of salt! If you feel you can improve the article in the meantime, please go ahead. Any points you need clarifying, as always, please ask. --<span style="margin:0;text-align:left;color:#FF7F00;font-size:80%;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;padding:0.2em 0.4em">Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 21:55, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to hear that your baby has been in the hospital. It can very frightening as a parent. One of the scariest times for me was the day that both my infant and my toddler were in the operating room. Later, when I brought the children home from the hospital, both in their car seats and swaddled in bandages, I was stopped by a traffic policeman for some trivial reason! I explained that I was returning home from the hospital with my post-operative children and he didn't believe me. However, just one look at the pathetic sight in the back seat and he sheepishly backed away! So, at least it ended with a little comic relief. I hope your baby is doing better. Get some sleep. Doctor's orders! Anne (talk) 22:34, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw the photo on the Discover page. That was one of the reasons that I was asking. I was preparing to upload it to Wikimedia and I couldn't find a formal name for the gate. Anne (talk) 22:37, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, it must have been really scary to have had them both been operated on at the same time! Hope they're OK now. Definitely trying to catch up on sleep over the weekend. You're a Doc? --<span style="margin:0;text-align:left;color:#FF7F00;font-size:80%;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;padding:0.2em 0.4em">Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 09:03, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yup. They're two active, healthy teenagers now, driving me crazy. Anne (talk) 11:54, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Ref maker
Anne did you know about the google book ref maker http://reftag.appspot.com/. paste in a google book url to it and it'll make citations, just click last name to reverse authors and sometimes you might have to enter in the page number if missing. I can show you to put google book and google ref maker into your itinary at the top of the page if you want it, just tell me what browser and what wiki skin you use. I find it much quicker for finding sources.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:17, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I'd never heard about it previously. I have Safari for Mac OS X. I'm not very wiki-savvy; so, I don't know what a wiki skin is. Anne (talk) 20:44, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Go into your preferences. Click appearance. you have the choice to change wiki skin, I'd imagine you're using standard vector. You should try monobook (the old one), Modern or Cologne Blue, those are the best ones. Click whatever skin and press save. Anyway you decide and tell me which skin you are using and I'll show you then how to put it in your itinery for easy access when you write articles. BTW the DYK deadline for Streets is today, we might get a few extra days to work on it...♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:12, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Rosia Water Tanks
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Trafalgar Cemetery
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Very, very well done on getting the article into such a good condition in time for this important anniversary! Prioryman (talk) 08:43, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd second Prioryman's comments: this is a great article. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 09:35, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Anne (talk) 11:31, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Main Guard
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Administration help requested
I am a DYK contributor who is assisting someone with their article Gibraltar Ranges. However, the article is incorrectly named and should be Gibraltar Range. Initially that was a redirect to Gibraltar Range National Park. I fixed that redirect and pointed it instead to Gibraltar Ranges. Now, I'm trying to actually move the article to its correct name Gibraltar Range, and it will not cooperate. (I've never had any trouble moving my work from user space to article space.) Thank you. Anne (talk) 22:48, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's been fixed. You can't always move over a redirect (only if there is one single edit - otherwise an admin has to delete it first)  Ron h jones (Talk) 01:57, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Anne (talk) 12:01, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thank you! Anne (talk) 20:22, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thank you for the feedback. It is much appreciated. When I take things to GA, I can often figure out the linking details much better, improve organisation, and get the prose right. The problem is when I am trying to create or improve an article where that is not the explicit goal. (Instead, where the explicit goal is to get an article created on a topic I think important, I tend to put details in that I think would be useful and could be contextualised correctly if it was taken to GA. I also tend to toss in more sources where possible to assist in establishing GNG.  This tends to make things less than ideal...)   Anyway, thanks for the feedback and I will work on improving this going forward.

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Proposed deletion of Bruce Cooper


The article Bruce Cooper has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Fails WP:SOLDIER... was not a general, not recipient of the high award of valor, did not command a substantial body of troops. This is very similar to Articles for deletion/Richard E. Cole.  Suggest an Operation Tracer article be created with material merged there, with a redirect.

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 * Please see the explanation that I have left on the article's talk page. I have a separate draft for Operation Tracer, Gibraltar that is more than halfway to completion. It's going to be substantially more than start length. Anne (talk) 14:13, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for O'Hara's Battery
The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Princess Amelia's Battery
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Lord Airey's Battery
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Royal Calpe Hunt
( X! ·  talk )  · @954  · 12:02, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Spur Battery
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Green's Lodge Battery
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Seven
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 * We’ve added badges! Teahouse awards is a pilot project to learn how acknowledgement impacts engagement and retention in Teahouse and Wikipedia.


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Thanks again! Ocaasi 02:24, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Hugh Haggard
The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Doreen Cooper
Hey, thanks for reviewing Doreen Cooper for DYK. I've replied to your concerns... sorry it took so long, I was swamped all week! Canadian  Paul  22:39, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Great! I'll take a look at it tonight and hopefully we can wrap it up. Anne (talk) 17:48, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi
Welcome back again :) --<span style="margin:0;text-align:left;color:#FF7F00;font-size:80%;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold;padding:0.2em 0.4em">Gibmetal 77 talk 2 me 17:02, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey ACP2011

I'm sending you this because you've made quite a few edits to the template namespace in the past couple of months. If I've got this wrong, or if I haven't but you're not interested in my request, don't worry; this is the only notice I'm sending out on the subject :).

So, as you know (or should know - we sent out a centralnotice and several watchlist notices) we're planning to deploy the VisualEditor on Monday, 1 July, as the default editor. For those of us who prefer markup editing, fear not; we'll still be able to use the markup editor, which isn't going anywhere.

What's important here, though, is that the VisualEditor features an interactive template inspector; you click an icon on a template and it shows you the parameters, the contents of those fields, and human-readable parameter names, along with descriptions of what each parameter does. Personally, I find this pretty awesome, and from Monday it's going to be heavily used, since, as said, the VisualEditor will become the default.

The thing that generates the human-readable names and descriptions is a small JSON data structure, loaded through an extension called TemplateData. I'm reaching out to you in the hopes that you'd be willing and able to put some time into adding TemplateData to high-profile templates. It's pretty easy to understand (heck, if I can write it, anyone can) and you can find a guide here, along with a list of prominent templates, although I suspect we can all hazard a guess as to high-profile templates that would benefit from this. Hopefully you're willing to give it a try; the more TemplateData sections get added, the better the interface can be. If you run into any problems, drop a note on the Feedback page.

Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:09, 28 June 2013 (UTC)