User talk:ADustyMiner

December 2022

 * The general rule on Wikipedia is one editor, one account. It was identified that Reznor45 was an alternate account of WikiPrincess11101110 per a sockpuppet investigation; the link was made because the two accounts made similar edits. Based on your narrative, all of those accounts belonged to you.Wikipedia has fairly strict rules on the use of multiple accounts because misuse of multiple accounts is a serious violation of community trust; you can read more about the policy on multiple accounts at Sockpuppetry. — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 23:09, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Sir,
 * I really am sorry but I don't know what to tell you, Reznor45 yes was my account from high school 5 years ago I have no idea what "wikiprincess" is, I explained I used a school computer so perhaps that is where the confusion is coming from, please give me a chance. I really am sorry for what happened I am just trying to make amends please give me a chance I have never vandalized a wikipage in my life if there is anything I can do please tell me so I can do it. I'm not a bad guy I love this website and use it all the time, please find it in your heart to understand. If you believe my intention was really to vandalize why would I appeal for an account banned half a decade ago, I really do mean well.
 * Tell me whatever you need me to do so I can get my account back and contribute to this community. ADustyMiner (talk) 00:16, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
 * PS:
 * I am getting a bunch of emails telling me people are sending me messages and replying to my page, but besides the reply by k6ka I am not seeing them anywhere, can someone link me to the correct page to see these replies I have around 5 emails from getting "messages" but I cannot find where to view them.
 * - ADustyMiner ADustyMiner (talk) 15:32, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The reason you can't see the messages is that they are messages from a persistent troll who keeps posting very unhelpful messages to the talk pages of blocked editors, so they have been reverted. The troll keeps making new accounts, each one of which gets blocked. You can see the history of all edits to this page, including ones which have been reverted, if you click on the "history" link at the top of the page. Clicking on the date/time stamp for an individual edit will show you the page as it was after that edit, or clicking on the "prev" link next to the edit will show you difference from the previous version of the page, in other words the changes made to the page by that edit.JBW (talk) 21:34, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Can you clarify this for me? If I am missing something then please tell me, but as far as I can see the situation seems to be as follows:
 * 1) In 2017 a new account, with no previous editing, made an edit, which was reverted. Another new account then reinstated the edit. The editing was not in line with Wikipedia style, as is often the case with inexperienced new editors, but it was not vandalism, nor was it significantly disruptive. The edit summary in the second edit seemed to indicate (it seems to me) that it was the same editor, so if it was then there was no attempt to deceive.  decided that these two good faith edits constituted abuse (not just use) of multiple accounts, and blocked both accounts.
 * 2) Five years later, the same editor who had used at least one of those accounts, and perhaps both, created another account, and made a couple of minor edits, neither of which has been reverted, nor has there been any indication anywhere, as far as I can see, that any editor has made any kind of objection to either of them. Because the edits were done by someone who five years ago was blocked, they were technically block-evasion, and therefore Wikipedia policy permits, but does not require, the new account to be blocked.
 * 3) On the basis of that, you have blocked the new account.


 * My invitation above to tell me if "I am missing something" was not irony or sarcasm; I have in the past made the mistake of thinking that an administrative action was clearly and ambiguously mistaken, only to find that there were relevant facts which I didn't know about and which completely changed the situation, and so I may have missed something important again this time. However, if what I have said above is a reasonably accurate account of the situation, with no important factors missed, then in my opinion the original block was totally unjustified, as there was no abusive use of multiple accounts, and the more recent block, while technically in line with the policy on block evasion, serves no preventive purpose whatever. Also, even if the editing five years ago had been abusive, how many of us didn't do things when we were teenagers that we should be allowed to leave behind us and not be penalised for years later?


 * If things are indeed as I have suggested, with no important factors omitted, then the blocks serve no useful purpose whatever, and should be removed. You are, of course, perfectly right in saying that "Wikipedia has fairly strict rules on the use of multiple accounts because misuse of multiple accounts is a serious violation of community trust" (my emphasis) but that does not mean that it is justified to apply remedies intended to deal with such misuse of multiple accounts in cases where there is no misuse. JBW (talk) 21:20, 17 December 2022 (UTC)


 * You make good points there, though I too am in the same boat as having to trust another administrator's judgement. I can't speak for WikiPrincess11101110 as the evidence presented at the SPI was fairly weak—only one edit that may or may not have been made by the same user. We'd have to ask GeneralizationsAreBad about the original block, and if there was any additional information that led up to the decision; GAB has not edited since October, though I don't think he would mind lifting the original block (which would also nullify this block). I'm okay with simply lifting both blocks as the edits that caused the original block are over 5 years old, with no evidence of additional attempts to edit made since then. — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 12:20, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you guys for being understanding and reasonable. I really don't know what edits got my first account blocked but I really appreciate you all laying out all the facts and coming to a reasonable conclusion. If any of you ever want advice for an article or good reference material for any European history just leave me a message and I can get back to you as quickly as possible. ADustyMiner (talk) 00:40, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

has now thanked me for my edit in which I accepted the unblock request so I think we can take it that all is well. JBW (talk) 21:09, 15 January 2023 (UTC)