User talk:AFBorchert/Archives/2020

Happy Birthday!
 Happy Birthday! Have a very happy birthday on your special day!

Best wishes, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:37, 18 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, CAPTAIN RAJU! Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 21:13, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Augustinian
Hi, I see you have reverted quite a few of my disambiguation edits relating to Augustinian - there were about a thousand of these a few days ago. Thanks for this. I didn't know we had Canons regular as an option.&mdash; Rod talk 07:23, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I've now added it to the dab page in case this error should occur again.&mdash; Rod talk 07:29, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Rod, thanks for your notice. Could you please help in fixing this long series of edits? Following criteria could help:
 * The order of Augustinian friars was founded in 1256. Hence, earlier foundations should not be linked to the Augustinian friars.
 * Whenever canons are mentioned, this should be linked to the Augustinian canons and not to the friars. (We have, however, to keep in mind that there existed multiple orders and congregations of Augustinian canons.)
 * Many of the early cathedrals were associated with Augustinian canons.
 * Houses of Augustinian friars are always priories, they do not have abbeys. Houses of Augustinian canons are either abbeys or priories (priories are usually dependent on an abbey).
 * Please ask if in doubt. I have literature about all monasteries in the United Kingdom and Ireland. But it would be easier for me to check the more difficult cases then to go through the entire list of your edits. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 07:57, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I will take a look, but I'm becoming less confident the more I find out. Am I right in assuming that wherever it says Abbey, priory, nunnery etc these should all be linking to Augustinians as ths was the assumption I made when I did the series of edits? Would it be easier if I just reverted them all & asked you to resolve them or should i have a go myself? I believe also dabed a lot of these a few days ago - however they may have been aware of all the options & got it right (unlike me).&mdash; Rod talk 08:11, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The article Order of Saint Augustine, which you have added to the dab page says "generally called Augustinians" which is already linked so I am even more confused now.&mdash; Rod talk 08:23, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Rodw, you are not the first who gets confused in regard to Augustinians. Most "Augustinians" today would be Augustinian friars. In the 11th or 12th century this was different. Rodw, I do not have the time resources to go through thousands of articles. I have given some criteria above which would allow you to fix this for the majority of cases. Please feel free to list all cases here where you have doubts. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 09:03, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, links that have been coded Augustinian canons should generally be changed to Augustinian canons ? BD2412  T 15:16, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi BD2412, thanks for joining the discussion. No, there are two major Augustinian orders, that of the Augustinian canons (Canonici Regulares S. Augustini) and that of the Augustinian friars (historically Ordo Fratrum Eremitarum Sancti Augustini, now shortened to Ordo Fratrum Sancti Augustini). The former should be linked to Canons regular, the latter to Order of Saint Augustine . Augustinians should be used for the general idea of having an order following the Rule of Saint Augustine. But in most cases you want to be specific. I've listed some general criteria above that allow to distinguish between these two orders. And then there exist cases of some less known Augustinian orders like that of the Cruciferi, for example. I am able to research all non-trivial cases of the United Kingdom and Ireland. --AFBorchert (talk) 17:53, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Disambiguation should not require extensive research. If it does, that indicates the need for a WP:DABCONCEPT page explaining the difference between terms with some discernible relationship between them. Is there any explanation for these orders commonly having the name, "Augustinian"? BD2412  T 17:56, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The article Augustinians attempts to do this to some degree but does not cover this topic well. For example, it states that these order are “dating back to the 12th–13th centuries”. However, the history of the Augustinian canons and its predecessors is much older. And the article fails to put this into a historical perspective. There is no simple solution to the problem of linking to the correct religious order. Some case are obvious (see my criteria above), in other cases research will be necessary (like here). This is particularly true for foundations in the 13th century. I am offering my help to do the research for non-trivial cases but unfortunately I do not have the time resources to go through all cases. --AFBorchert (talk) 18:26, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Liam O' Flaherty
Recently, I added a link to one of Liam O'Flaherty's work that was reverted by you. I just want to clarify that his story has been published in the NCERT textbook with the necessary "permissions to reproduce copyrighted material". The book itself is free to be downloaded and is under Creative Commons.

Shubhrajit Sadhukhan (talk) 09:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi Shubhrajit Sadhukhan, the republication rights of NCERT are most likely restricted to India. Hence, it is not surprising to find following notice at the terms of use page for online textbooks: Links may however be provided with written permission from the NCERT. You are stating that the book “is free to be downloaded and is under Creative Commons”. You fail to provide a proof for this. Instead, we find at the NCERT terms of use page for textbooks following restrictions: While copies of these textbooks may be downloaded and used as textbooks or for reference, republication is strictly prohibited. No agency or individual may make electronic or print copies of these books and redistribute them in any form whatsoever. Use of these online books as a part of digital content packages or software is also strictly prohibited. No website or online service is permitted to host these online textbooks. Regards, --AFBorchert (talk) 11:15, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * An additional note: In article space, external links are usually restricted to citations (see WP:CS) and an external links section (see WP:EL). Wikipedia is not a link farm, see WP:LINKFARM. We have the Wikisource projects to cover free texts. At Wikisource you will find author pages (like, for example, that of Edgar Allan Poe) where external links to scans of free texts are permitted if they haven't been yet transcribed at Wikisource. --AFBorchert (talk) 11:46, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


 * @AFBorchert, I'm really sorry for this. I'll refrain from adding such external links from now. BTW, am I allowed to use it as a citation? (I did that many times, for eg [reference 4])

Shubhrajit Sadhukhan (talk) 11:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)