User talk:AJona1992/Archive 2

Selena
I said in my edit summary that I am willing to keep helping with your grammar. But I also asked you a while ago to not make such big changes. I tend to be meticulous, even a perfectionist, in my editing, and it's too laborious (for me) to clean up a large portion of an article all at once. I propose that you break up your edit into smaller portions. It isn't just the copyediting, it's also verification of your sources that can eat up quite a portion of my Wikipedia time. SamEV (talk) 23:29, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * But my claims has sources, and please don't tell me that I can't expand that article what's this a new "rule"? AJona1992 (talk) 14:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't say your changes were unsourced. I said they need much cleanup and verification. You have a track record of misreading your sources. I testify to it first hand.
 * Jonathan, Selena is a featured article. That means it already is considered to be of high quality, the highest, in fact. So it's extremely unlikely that your additions are so essential that they must be made ASAP. I can't name a policy, but I think it's only logical that changes to an FA be made more cautiously than to other articles. Let me be blunt: Left to your own devices, you could be responsible for the demotion of that article from featured status. Ask yourself: do you want to harm the article's quality in a very noticeable way? I'm not making an unreasonable request by asking you to make smaller changes. SamEV (talk) 22:41, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * But those changes NEED to be there, that FA article is lacking information about her though AJona1992 (talk) 00:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "NEED"? I doubt that's the right verb. Anyway, let me try again: You don't have to, I can't force you–I'm just asking that you make those changes a little bit at a time, that's all. SamEV (talk) 01:29, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok I will try. AJona1992 (talk) 12:46, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * When will the changes be affecting the main Selena page? AJona1992 (talk) 22:11, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You haven't made the changes yet.
 * I'll help you with the article in the new sandbox after the weekend. SamEV (talk) 17:22, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I say go ahead and move the sandbox. I'll at least slap a cleanup tag on it, hoping that someone else helps clean it up, but I'll still try to pitch in. And yeah, expect a deletion nomination, just in case there is one (so you won't be surprised, anyway). I'll have a look at the Selena article later this evening. SamEV (talk) 23:03, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll try to find sources and expand it further before moving it from the sandbox. And ok, I only copied and paste (small parts) to the Selena article from the sandbox we used for the second version. AJona1992 (talk) 23:09, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * An article's lead should be terse, not getting too much in the weeds about anything in particular. That's why I took out some of the content you added. If you want to put it back, the "Success" section seems to be the place, but wait another day or two, unless there's someone else who'll help with clean up today. SamEV (talk) 19:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

No, you can't use MySpace. SamEV (talk) 00:33, 13 August 2010 (UTC) The Selena article's lead can be larger, if necessary. But you shouldn't make it larger just for the sake of it, and certainly not when there are important concerns over the new content's quality. SamEV (talk) 16:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Selena 2
The person who you reverted was telling the truth, the information can be seen in NUMEROUS Selena specials. Currently, that information is also pending with the new version that will soon take over the poorly information that is given to her. AJona1992 (talk) 01:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't care if the information was wrote by the pope, add alot of unnecesary information and/or poorly information to WP:FAs make them go here. Also what is the sense of add tags from March?, obvioulsy was a copy-paste from that date.  Tb hotch Ta lk C. 01:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, well I was just saying, does wikipedia allow like "foot notes" to replace sourced information from TV specials, magazines, newspapers, books, VHS tapes, and/or home video specials? AJona1992 (talk) 01:19, 5 August 2010 (UTC

Per WP:RS books, newspapers, magazine ✅. TV-related sources could fail copyvio, but I'm not sure about them. Radio sources (unless those are in a video, in a recorfding or in a print media). Tb hotch Ta lk C. 01:24, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I just read, a little about, the section where it says "Self-published sources (online and paper)" and it only says that if I hire someone or if I create a web site, book, or a article on a newspaper for this article, that it is not allowed, but these information are from specials from Univision, Q-Productions, Galavision, Telemundo and other major English and Spanish channels. So I am just wondering if I can just grab some information and use it in the article as a "foot note" instead of a reference will it be acceptable especially for FAs or are there rules against them? AJona1992 (talk) 01:34, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I really don't know if those channels are approved as Reliable Sources, especially Univision. You can ask it in WT:RS. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 01:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright I'll do that, thanks for the help AJona1992 (talk) 01:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

my absence
Sorry, Jona I just haven't been on Wikipedia a lot lately just for reason live vacation and that I've been busy with my family and friends.--Curtis23's Usalions 03:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC) Also Jona I was reading your talk page and I have to say dude don't get too many warning you were already blocked for a week for sock puppetry your really risking an indefinite block.--Curtis23's Usalions 03:54, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's ok, I understand. And I have been trying to change my attitude so everything is fine now. AJona1992 (talk) 13:01, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

3RR
Please be mindful of the three revert rule when editing. Regardless of the merits of your edits, continually reverting on The Bad Girls Club (season 5) without constructive discussion is disruptive. If you have any questions, please ask. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 13:43, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * But it's not fault, they keep vandalizing that page, what else can I do? AJona1992 (talk) 13:50, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It isn't vandalism. We have to assume that the edits are in good faith. The best way to deal with it is to ask the other editor why they think their edits are appropriate, if you disagree. If they are unresponsive, then other steps might be necessary. Try leaving a message on the user's talk page. If they don't respond, and continue to make the edits, leave a note on their talk page saying something like "I'm going to remove that edit you made because of xxxx. If you disagree, let's talk about it. If you simply revert my change without discussion, I'll have to assume that you don't wish to play by Wikipedia rules and you may end up getting blocked from editing." If they respond inappropriately, then we can look into it. Sometimes a personalized, non-templated message could help. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 14:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh thank you, I'll just do that then, I didn't know. I'll just send you a message if they continue to do so, thanks again! AJona1992 (talk) 14:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Bad Girls Club
I'm not sure what you mean. This may be a silly question, but did you try just pasting the content into the Season 5 section? Click here if you didn't. SamEV (talk) 02:28, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * LOLZ, I want to paste all my work (that sandbox I sent you) to that link you just sent me. I did tried thats why I am wondering if I did anything wrong? Thanks --AJona1992 (talk) 02:30, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Write something, as a test. Then at least you'll know that you're able to write. Then try to paste the content again. If the problem continues, paste only part of it and see if it displays. Keep going until you come to the content that doesn't display, and you'll have identified where the problem lies. SamEV (talk) 02:51, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Selenagrammy.jpg
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 * make a note permitting reuse under the CC-BY-SA or another acceptable free license (see this list) at the site of the original publication; or
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 * As a person who receives these permission e-mails, I am able to search the system, and I have not found a letter from your mother. Unless this letter is soon received, this image will need to be deleted. Given that this picture is already published elsewhere on the internet (see ), we're going to have to verify that your mother is the photographer. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:06, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

This user who is deleting the photo loves it as a hobby

 * So what should my mother say to release it here as free? AJona1992 (talk) 16:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not going to be easy, I'm afraid. This image has been previously published elsewhere, which means that we must confirm her authority carefully. The image seems to have been taken backstage at the awards ceremony during the press photography gathering. Having her provide her professional credentials would certainly be a good first step, to verify that she would have had access, as would asking her to send a high resolution version of the image rather than the low resolution version currently on Wikipedia. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well theres millions of the same picture everywhere of Selena so you don't have proof that I just took it off the internet, secondly yes she did took it backstage. And how does she do that? AJona1992 (talk) 16:17, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't need to prove that you just took it off the internet; when it exists elsewhere, you need to prove that you did not. This is Wikipedia's policy. If your mother is a professional photographer, she should have professional credentials that she can use to verify. She could, for example, identify the press agencies she worked for and supply verification of this. Of course, if she took the photograph as a professional photographer, she may also need to verify that she did not do so as a work for hire for the press agency that obtained her access. But supplying a higher resolution image from her negative ought to help. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:21, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What's a higher resolution image? And she's not going to that at all because that's her personal information, oh well I guess the photo is going to be deleted, such a shame that Wikipedia is so lame HAHAHAHA. AJona1992 (talk) 16:24, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I gather you must be young; forgive me if I'm mistaken, but when conversation devolves to the point of "Wikipedia is so lame HAHAHAHA", I presume that I am not talking to an adult. If your mother is a professional photographer, as you say, she will know what I mean by "higher resolution image". It should be no problem for her to comply. You can ask her about it, and I'm sure she'd be happy to give you a detailed explanation and perhaps even show you an example from her own work. In terms of her personal information, very likely that information was already publicized by whomever hired her to take that photograph at the time, but if you feel she would not wish it publicized here, then, yes, certainly the image will be deleted. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:30, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I gather that your stupid; forgive me if no one told you that if ANYONE dares to talk shit or says something to me that is offensive then I will attack back. I don't hold shit in so don't get it twisted. I am not going to tell her at all, you just have gotten me pissed at your stupid comment that you made. So go delete it and have joy in doing so, "haha oh look at me I'm deleting a photo OMG this is so fun yay yay" that's how you sound HAHAHHAAH. Lame.
 * It seems that in addition to our copyright policies, you may need to become familiar with our policy against personal attacks. This in itself can result in your account being blocked, which would be a shame if you're truly interested in working on these articles. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:37, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Your the one who keeps attacking me with your stupid comments about me and the photos, I dont back down so if your going to contiune to attack me then hell yea bring it on. AJona1992 (talk) 16:39, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Please see AGFC. There is no attack in presuming you are unfamiliar with our copyright policies and advising you how to comply. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:40, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well by saying this "I gather you must be young; forgive me if I'm mistaken, but when conversation devolves to the point of "Wikipedia is so lame HAHAHAHA", I presume that I am not talking to an adult" is no way to talk to me. Oh well no one told you that I dont back down, if you want to talk things through lets do it other wise I'm not going to let some girl I don't even know talk to me like I'm a peace of shit. Hell no. AJona1992 (talk) 16:42, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't equate being "young" with being "a piece of shit", though it does seem that I've offended you. Certainly, that wasn't my intention. Since Wikipedia has no age requirement, I was unsure of your age and if your mother would be a better person to explain photography resolution to you than I. In terms of backing down, the attitude your taking is also likely to lead you to trouble on Wikipedia. Please see Disruptive editing. This kind of thing is not productive. You need to be able to discuss your differences calmly and politely with others, even if they are girls you don't know. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:47, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well you should've never pissed me off with your comment about my age, about the photos, and about where you found the photo. You should've never kept putting up polices here about me being disruptive when you should take your own adivce. You need to learn how to come at people, as you can see I was poliet in asking how should my mother do so in keeping this photo, and asking you various of questions in what I do not understand. But yet you think I'm not going to react when you insulted me and offended me with your comment, but oh no you should know that just because I may be poliet doesnt mean that I'm a p****. I don't take shit from no one if you want to talk then talk, dont come on my talk page bringing your useless comments. Peace out. AJona1992 (talk) 16:52, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I have answered each of your questions to the best of my ability. I do wonder, though, if you really feel that "such a shame that Wikipedia is so lame HAHAHAHA." is being polite. It was this comment that made me wonder if I was addressing a youth, so it obviously predated my comment that offended you. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:57, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Because of this "Well theres millions of the same picture everywhere of Selena so you don't have proof that I just took it off the internet, secondly yes she did took it backstage." (what I said) then you said this "We don't need to prove that you just took it off the internet; when it exists elsewhere, you need to prove that you did not. This is Wikipedia's policy." I have been trying to show proof but f*** this you was coming at me very rudely. I will just upload a new picture another day. AJona1992 (talk) 16:59, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

That's not rude; that's a statement of fact. It is as true of me as an administrator and an OTRS volunteer as it is of any other contributor. Wikipedia's policy is not discriminatory. I do have to warn you, though, that the end of your comment sounds like a threat. Our copyright policy requires that you verify permission for images that you upload that have been published elsewhere. If you keep uploading pictures without doing this, even if they are different pictures, you may be blocked or not allowed to upload any more images at all. There have already been two images uploaded by you at File:Selena12.jpg that have been deleted for copyright concerns; the one you have now was in fact already deleted following. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:09, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Selena FAR
nominated Selena for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. -- Beloved Freak  20:45, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use File:Selena09.jpg
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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Selena12.jpg
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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Selena's grave.jpg

 * 1) Selena is a deceased pop star that I had never heard of until a few days ago. Why would I dislike her?
 * 2) When have I ever "threatened you"?-- Beloved Freak  16:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Selena

 * 1) I can't speak for anyone else on Wikipedia, but speaking for myself, I have never met you, or even encountered you on Wikipedia before (as far as I know) so why would I dislike you?
 * 2) Selena is a deceased pop star that I had never heard of until a few days ago. Why would I dislike her?
 * 3) When have I ever "threatened you"?-- Beloved Freak  16:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you need to re-read it again, I didn't say that YOU didn't like her nor didn't like me. I was talking about other contribitors who dislike me and my actions and I can't do anything because they will only warn me about getting banned again. AJona1992 (talk) 03:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No one's out to get you.  Mike  Allen  03:53, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I know that but it's like everything I do its wrong when really its the truth I just can't find any sources but sources from magazines, newspapers, and TV specials but theres not source over the internet and I guess, by the way everyone reverts everything I do, theres a rule aganist it. AJona1992 (talk) 03:55, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I re-read it, and fair enough, I can accept that you might have been talking about other people not liking you. (I concur with the comment above; no-one's out to get you). However, your comment about threatening you was clearly directed at me: "Also YOU need to know that YOU should NEVER threaten me EVER because I don't play fair nor do I back down from ANYONE as you can tell on my old talk page. I know theres rules and stuff like that but once you cross me I can be just as mean as anyone maybe even worse". Was that really fair?-- Beloved Freak  08:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The comment that you made (so I suggest you add some sources to the time line, or it will be removed.) could've been said a little better, the way you threw that at me wasn't very nessary. That comment really didn't sit well with me. AJona1992 (talk) 16:00, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, well I'm sorry you took it that way, it certainly wasn't my intention to "threaten" you or to imply any kind of power to ruin your work or take it away from you. The thing is, WP:V is a very important part of Wikipedia, and it's really up to the editor adding information to make sure they provide sources. Otherwise, "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed" - it can be removed by any editor, and that's what I meant. I wasn't actually intending to remove it myself immediately, preferring to discuss it first, but when I looked at it more closely, I realised that there is contentious information about a living person (Yolanda Saldívar). The Biographies of living persons policy is also taken very seriously at Wikipedia. Information about living people must be sourced very carefully, especially information that is contentious or might be challenged. It doesn't matter if that person is a convicted criminal - it still applies. And really, it's the kind of detail that needs proper sourcing anyway, even if all the people involved were dead.
 * Now, as for sources, did you read the two pages I linked to at Talk:Selena? If not, have a look and see if things are any clearer. If you're still not sure, let me know some examples of sources you want to cite and I'll help you with it.-- Beloved Freak  17:30, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I already reply to your message, I'm still waiting for you to answer back. AJona1992 (talk) 18:49, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That's my answer above. :) Do you have some examples of magazine sources you want to use? Then i can show you how to format them as citations.-- Beloved Freak  19:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh ok from the "Death of Selena" I got that information from VH1's "Famous Crime Scene: Selena" other magazines that I use that has Selena information are TV Y Novelas, People, People en espanol, Entertainment Weekly, TV Y Notas, People Special Books (Gone Too Soon, American Murders, and Famous Great Lives) and that's just some examples of magazines she has appered on. AJona1992 (talk) 19:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, so for the television episode, you can use a template like Cite episode, and fill it in something like this (I got the details from IMDb):


 * This would show up in the references like this:
 * If possible, you can add the point at which the relevant piece of information appears in the episode, by putting the number of minutes into it, in the "minutes" field of the template. That's kind of the equivalent of citing page numbers in a book. It makes it easier for a reader to find the information in the source. For the magazines, you can use a template like Cite journal, making sure to add page numbers, author names, date, issue number, publisher etc. Have a go, and let me know if you need some more help.-- Beloved Freak  20:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Like at the end, under references? AJona1992 (talk) 21:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, where do you mean? -- Beloved Freak  22:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Should I place the citations below the reference section of any article? AJona1992 (talk) 22:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Between tags like you have done before.-- Beloved Freak  16:48, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Well I'm not allowed to do that anymore. AJona1992 (talk) 18:18, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Copyright
Text, I'm afraid, is no different than images. Content you added here is identical to material previously published elsewhere, including (where permission is asserted but not proved) and http://ezinearticles.com/?Selena:-A-Life-Remembered-%28Part-1%29&id=345947. We need verification of permission for this from William Sutherland. See Requesting copyright permission for the process. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:44, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You can't use that content before you verify permission. Do not restore it. Wikipedia takes copyright concerns seriously, and contributors who persistently violate those policies will be blocked. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:55, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * In the early years section I had sources, thats now "citation needed", you can RIGHT NOW put those sources back, that's not copyright, its from AOL.com, and other RS. AJona1992 (talk) 17:57, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You are certainly welcome to put back anything that did not copy content from another source. However, what you did was restore the extensive content of your your prior edit, into which you had pastes the contents of http://ezinearticles.com/?Selena:-A-Life-Remembered-%28Part-1%29&id=345947 into the article. For example:


 * You've put this onto Wikipedia twice now, along with considerably more content authored by Sutherland. You cannot do this. It's against our Terms of Use. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:00, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You've also placed this content into your sandbox, User:AJona1992/Sandbox2, which is now blanked. You can either revert to an edit that does not include content copied from other websites or verify permission, whereupon it will be restored. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:02, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I am talking about the "Early Years" section. RIGHT NOW there are "ciation needed tags" ok, I have added RS there which you took off twice and I don't feel that it's my fault that you have done that so you can RIGHT NOW put those RS back into that article. Karma is a b***h lolz.
 * Unless more copyright violations enter the article, I do not plan to edit it again. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:20, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No! You need to bring those RS back into the article ASAP. AJona1992 (talk) 18:21, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

If you wish to remove this conversation, that's within your rights. However, you cannot blank just some elements of it to rob the conversation of context. See WP:TPNO. My sole interest in this article and the images within it relate to copyright; I am uninvolved otherwise and remaining that way. If you wish to salvage references from those edits, you may do so. In spite of the blatant copyright infringement, I have not deletion the revisions, so you can still access them. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:25, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You removed copyrighted text which is OK with me, the thing that is getting me upset is that there are ciation needed tags that had RS that werent copyrighted. So you can right NOW add those sources back to that article. Because I'm not the one whos sticking their nose up in the air thinking that they can do WHATEVER they may please just because they are an admin. AJona1992 (talk) 18:30, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Per your implicit request, then, this conversation is over. I will not return unless there are subsequent copyright concerns with your uploads or text imports. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:43, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

August 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed maintenance templates from Selena. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this template has been reverted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Beloved Freak  21:29, 21 August 2010 (UTC) You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for your disruption caused by edit warring and violation of the three-revert rule&#32;at Selena. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 23:52, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, as you did here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AJona1992&direction=next&oldid=380173754. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Soundvisions1 (talk) 04:44, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Hoping to help things
Hello AJona. As a regular at the FAR page I noticed that you are involved in the review of Selena. Now, you said "everyone is always negative about my edits to that page." I looked at the article's history and, while you have been editing it for its benefits, I do however see inexperience. Also, Death of Selena, an article you created about her terrible murder, is a little unnecessary. I like that it could be made into a Good Article like Death of John Lennon. But in its current condition, merging with the Selena article is probably the best thing to do. With that all being said, I would like to help you on Wikipedia. I would be mentoring you on ways to have more experience. If you wish to not ask for help, I understand. GamerPro64 (talk) 04:37, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Well at first, I created a sandbox for "Death of Selena" until I had suitable sources. But since you think that it would be best to merge it in the article, the only thing that is bothering me is that all that information might be shrunk, removed, or just only the lead will be on that section. I would consider that article being merged if all that work can be merged into the Selena article. I would like you to help me, I love getting help from other contributers here, so thank you. AJona1992 (talk) 16:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * After comparing the two articles together, the Selena article has most of everything the other article has. However, I could see that the part about her dying two days before her anniversary with her husband being added to the main article. GamerPro64 (talk) 17:31, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok well I'm talking about the timeline as well, would it be in a list format or an article written format? I am still waiting to see if I can use footnotes for the unsourced information give from Magazines and TV Specials. AJona1992 (talk) 18:51, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed that you are currently blocked. Not good. In my opinion, I think that after the block gets lifted, you should probably take a break from Selena-related articles. Now, I think you and I should work together on an article. I can help you make good articles, as well as improve your skills on Wikipedia. Sounds good? GamerPro64 (talk) 01:29, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yea and I don't care what they think I can care less. I should take your advice but she was a family idol way before I was born and she was past onto me when I was little and since then I became a fan I can't just abandon a page because them other editors hate that I am doing something good. But I would like to do that with you, so what should we do first? AJona1992 (talk) 22:53, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Now, I have been working on Weezer (2001 album) for two weeks. I've been having problems adding some Reception and some other stuff. You think that you're up to the challenge? I would like other editors to think that you have become professional when this is all done. GamerPro64 (talk) 23:53, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll do my best ! AJona1992 (talk) 23:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Also, this is not professional. Your need to stop doing that. GamerPro64 (talk) 23:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * But its not fair that she's allow to cite books but I cant.


 * Hey tell me what you think? I don't want to put it in the article if its not right.AJona1992 (talk) 00:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

The Green Album received generally favourable reviews. At Metacritic, which assigns a rating out of 100 to reviews from mainstream critics, the album received an average score of  73 out of 100. Many critics saw the album as a return-to-form to the sound that was present on the band's debut album. Allmusic senior writer Stephen Thomas Erlewine, who gave the album a near-perfect rating of four and a half stars, stated that "this may seem like nothing special -- it's just punk-pop, delivered without much dynamic range but with a whole lot of hooks -- but nobody else does it this [sic] so well, no matter how many bands try." Popmatters' writer Jason Thompson also gave the album a positive review, praising the decision of the band to have Ric Ocasek produce them again: "The guitar solos ring out as joyful as the words. And even the songs' lengths are nice and compact. Weezer comes in, plays the song, and exits. No overkill makes for many moments where you want to hear these songs again and again. Perhaps having producer Ric Ocasek back on board was one of the best ideas the band had, as The Green Album is certainly water tight all around." . "Weezer's third album is an avowed return to the band's punk-pop roots, a fact that's emphasized by the decision to reprise the self-titling of the smash debut that spawned hits like "Buddy Holly". Spin magazine, a music related magazine which gives significant coverage from hardcore punk to Jazz, ranked the album #9 for their "Albums of the Year 2001" . The album was later ranked by the Alternative Press which was ranked #13 in AP's "25 Best Albums of 2001". "This will either touch your heart or make you air-guitar like a beast...", The "AP" who gave the album a postive review. . Barnes & Noble stated that Weezer's third album is an avowed return to the band's punk-pop roots, and gave the smash hit "Buddy Holly" as an example and that Weezer are back on track when it comes to winning friends and influencing fellow geeks. .


 * I believe that its pretty good. After you add it to Weezer, I'll fix any problems that are there. GamerPro64 (talk) 15:12, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, I have added it to the article. I'll go search for more receptions for the album. AJona1992 (talk) 16:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, I looked at it again and this is my fault. I'm gonna have to revert your edit due to the references not being from the actual sites. I mean, They were good, but the stuff about Spin callling it the 9th best album of 2001 has to be from Spin.com. Understand? GamerPro64 (talk) 17:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Weezer (2001 album)

 * Ok I will try to search from Spin.com AJona1992 (talk) 21:48, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, nevermind about that. I found the magazine reference off of Google Books. The Q review is a bigger problem for me to find. Can you it? GamerPro64 (talk) 21:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It was on the CDUniverse reviews (at the bottom of the album's picture) AJona1992 (talk) 21:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem with the reference is that its unreliable. I need the actual review, with the author's words on it and such. GamerPro64 (talk) 21:55, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think by going to Q's website, but, is that an notable reviewer or is it still ok to add it in the article? AJona1992 (talk) 21:59, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter who's the reviewer. As long as its from a reliable source (i.e Rolling Stone, Billboard, Spin, etc), it can be added. GamerPro64 (talk) 22:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I cant find the link but it was on Q Magazine in 2001 the link says the page number and month publication can we use that?, and I found this its pretty interesting (http://weezerpedia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Weezer_%28The_Green_Album%29) AJona1992 (talk) 22:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * We could use that as an External link. I'll put it in the article. Good work. GamerPro64 (talk) 22:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Your welcome, what about the Q review? can we use it as a cite book? and on that link theres reviews with links so we can also use that if you want. AJona1992 (talk) 22:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not quite sure about the reviews and the link. I may need the link itself. Also, since its a magazine, not a book, Template:Cite journal is used. GamerPro64 (talk) 22:25, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok so if you havent already added it I'll do it. AJona1992 (talk) 22:31, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Copyright problems
You have restored the previously published content to your sandbox. There's still no evidence of permission. You may not host copyright content on any space in Wikipedia. Wikipedia takes copyright seriously. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:35, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Speaking of copyright concerns, the image File:Selenaperfume.jpg is now listed at Possibly unfree files/2010 August 28. You will need to demonstrate if you are the actual copyright holder of the image; more information is at that board. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:16, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * In reply to your note, you do not get to put material on Wikipedia even temporarily that violates our Terms of Use. Doing so will lead to the suspension of your account. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * *yawns* ok. AJona1992 (talk) 23:45, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Amor Prohibido
Hey can you do a 30 second sample of the song and add it on the article (Amor Prohibido (song)) please? Thanks AJona1992 (talk) 17:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's going to take a while. I'm off Wikipedia for a few days, and when I'm on, I can only spend a second. Also, I can't remember which programs I used. But give a few days and I'll see what I can come up with. Is there any particular section of the song that you want highlighted? Oran e   (talk)  03:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey thanks, and ok I can wait lolz and I would like it to begin when she sings the song in the beginning. Thanks again. AJona1992 (talk) 01:04, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

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 * yawns bigger* well this is my talk page and I understand the poiclies that you guys made up but if someone is going to attack me, don't think for one second that I am not going to respond. Oh WELL. AJona1992 (talk) 23:46, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You can yawn as much as you like, but these "poiclies that you guys made up" are based in not getting Wikipedia sued in the courts for copyright violation. This isn't a joke, it is serious, and you should get used to that if you intend to continue contributing here- compliance is not optional. And advice to you is not necessarily going to be an attack; but be clear, that if you do not take on board our policies and guidelines generally, when it comes to the crunch, you will be prevented from editing here to avoid any legal liability. Meanwhile, when in doubt, take the advice you're given, and ask an experienced editor. We are not here on a witch-hunt, but there are limits. Rodhull  andemu  00:07, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Selena article and advise
I'm not banning you from editing the article, hell it could use an expansion but you were using unreliable sources. You have great potential as an editor but you need to become more mature. Trust me I had maturity problems in the past before, and my reputation in the project was tarnished because of it. I was an adminstrator for four years until some unfortunate incident happened last year, I could mentor you on becoming a better editor. Just come to me with advise and I'll help you. Participate in WP:RC patrol and WP:AFDs, and write content when you can. We are not trying to harm you, but we take our guidelines very seriously. Want to take the offer? Thanks Secret account 02:33, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I was using RS, please tell me that Billboard, TV Y Novelas Magazine, and Selenaforever (who had footnotes) is not a RS? All I wanted to do is help expand my knowledge of Selena to the article and everyone just wasn't for it and reverted me, even if I had a RS because the article is a "FA" well so? It's Wikipedia so why can't anyone edit it? I understand where everyone is coming from when they say, it's best to just maintain it the way it is, but the article lacks so much information that it's unbelievable. And plus I only engage in fights with people if they start it and then I always get in trouble, I think its stupid. AJona1992 (talk) 21:01, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Billboard magazine is a reliable source, selenaforever is not, nither is your televised source, no artist ever reached 200 million albums sold, english, spanish, etc, maybe she made 200 million from albums sales and other merchandise which sounds reasonable, I sourced what I could from the book source I have. I'll try to look for a source that she tried to do a tejano album before her death, that should be easy to find. Secret account 21:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Again I'm willing to work with you I have newspaper archives, magazine archives, and a book on my disposal, I sourced what I could from the book. Secret account 21:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Chopard Diamond award for artists that sold over 100 million albums, only Celine Dion sold over 200 million. Secret account 21:45, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Well I am getting all of my information from the magazine and it is in Spanish so I am also using a translator and thats what it says. AJona1992 (talk) 21:48, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Where's the magazine is it online? I could read Spanish. Secret account 22:10, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * No it was sold in March of 2005 I have my copy from my grandmother, although I think you can buy it from that company its an entire magazine about her, its more than 90 pages long! so its a great magazine but I don't understand Spanish lolz. AJona1992 (talk) 22:14, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

The certification figures from the RIAA show "35.00x MULTI PLATINUM" for Dreaming of You. This page is cited by Selena discography - showing sales between 3,500,000 and 3,599,999 (or "3,500,000+" - funny we don't put "less than 3,600,000"). This is a good cite because RIAA is a widely respected authority on sales of records, and they give the platinum discs in America. Rich Farmbrough, 10:57, 15 September 2010 (UTC).

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Look I see potencial in you, but you need to learn how to grow up and stop bullshiting your claims or you really will get an indefinite ban from the project. I'm pretty sure you don't want that. Secret account 03:25, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I really don't want to get blocked from Wikipedia. But my family did take pictures of Selena there's a lot but there's no way of proving it because of "reputation", and secondly the sock I really didn't know there was a rule about it and also about canvasing I thought I was just informing people about my project. The TV Y Novelas magazine, I didn't know it was an unreliable magazine, I don't even know nor speak Spanish. I mean I am a huge Selena fan but doesn't mean I understand what she is saying. I am telling the truth I mean I can take pictures of the magazine so I can prove that I am not lying about it. AJona1992 (talk) 03:30, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Upload the pictures they took, tag a fair use claim, I know the grammy one, nor the obvious promotional pictures aren't it. I'll see for myself if they are really taken by your family. If they are I'll do the OTRS ticket, or move them to commons with a free license. What does your family do for a living as well, and accurate information about the picture (if they were taken in a concert, autograph signing, etc) could help me out in determining the pictures. Secret account 03:37, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok I will upload them tomorrow afternoon, got court LOLZ. And what they do for living, why is that needed? Also I was talking about the magazine since you said you knew Spanish I can send you pictures inside of it and let you see for yourself. AJona1992 (talk) 03:40, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If they are a professional photographer, that's why, images from the magazine is not applicable. Secret account 03:48, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh ok. And I meant that if you don't have the magazine that I was citing that I can send you pictures of it, inside, so you can know that I wasn't lying about my citations. AJona1992 (talk) 03:50, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok email me images of the magazine so I could look. Secret account 03:51, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What's your email? AJona1992 (talk) 03:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Go to my userpage and look at the links to your left, it would say email this user. Secret account 04:23, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment I'm glad to see you two are working civilly on this. AJona1992: you thanked me at the AN/I, and I appreciate that, but that really doesn't mean I condone your behavior, young man ;>  WP has strict rules on sources, external links, and many others that I can point you towards.  The image copyright thing is troubling, and the example Explicit gave of what you did with the "Selena at the Grammys" image is a huge no-no.  You can't do that again, or I imagine you will get into quite serious trouble here.  You said you didn't know about WP:SOCK and some other things you violated: do not do those things again now that you know that they are against policy.  When you get angry at other editors (we all do): don't attack them even, and especially, if they attack you.  It's a cornerstone of the civility policy - "rise above" the urge to comment on other editors and focus strictly on the topic.  A really bad place to get "angry" is the AN/I board, where many editors are watching, and where you can get blocked and even banned (see WP:BLOCK and WP:BAN - they are two different things).  Good luck, and hopefully you'll learn the policies and be able to keep contributing here with fewer problems.  You're young, and you're quite obviously not a "bad person" - you just need to work on a few editing issues that can be corrected.  Cheers :> Doc9871 (talk) 04:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Understood. AJona1992 (talk) 18:15, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * And Secret you should be receiving the pictures by tomorrow sorry for the delay, already told you above so it was a long day. AJona1992 (talk) 00:11, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Finding a Mentor?
Hi Ajona1992, in following events at WP:ANI I noticed the issue you were involved in. Perhaps, in an effort to make things easier for you, and help you gain a better understanding (without all the pressure of an ANI being involved in the process), you may wish to consider finding a mentor. There are a lot of very experienced editors out there who would be willing to help. It seems you are dedicated and passionate in your attempts to make Wikipedia a better place, so, with a better understanding of the Rules and Guidelines, I suspect you could make some wonderful contributions. If you are interested, feel free to check out ADOPT and follow the simple instructions there to get yourself added to the adoptees list. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 07:12, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a very good recommendation from RobertMfromLI, and while "adoption" in editing here may understandably sound "insulting" at first reaction to most people it's suggested to: it's better than not being able to edit at all because you're blocked. Take some time to think about it before you might consider rejecting the option.  "If you're willing to work with the WP community, the community will work with you."  Just made that up (lame, I know ;>) ... Doc9871 (talk) 07:50, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Doc's correct. I spent MONTHS being adopted by a patient mentor (User:Draeco). Sadly, he's away on medical leave - even though I'm beyond the need for a mentor now, I still have questions from time to time - or simply want someone else to review my rationale or actions to know I'm following the right track. So, I've moved from "months of having a mentor" to "pestering various more experienced editors (including, IIRC, Doc9871 a time or to)" Having a mentor, and making connections with a few patient and very experienced editors did wonders for me in many respects.
 * Anyway, best of luck to you, and I hope things work out. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 07:54, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I have tried that and Curtis23 was my adopter and I don't know like for a month or so but then he stopped mentoring me and I needed questions to be answered and it seem like he was ignoring me so I removed the adopted request because it didn't help me at all. AJona1992 (talk) 18:17, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * If you would like, I will be your mentor. Feel free to check out my user page if you want to know more about me or my interests, or ask me anything you dont see there, and then let me know what you decide. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 19:05, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure! I like I said before, I love getting help from as much people as possible. Thanks for the invite! AJona1992 (talk) 21:31, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Any time. You may wish to copy this bit of code onto your userpage: . It's about the size of a userbox, so it will fit in the same section as your other userboxes. The top of the list may be a good place, simply so if anyone has a problem, they will hopefully get me involved as well. Best,  R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 21:39, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Added it, and I took some time to read everything so I can know more about you, and it was pretty interesting. AJona1992 (talk) 00:15, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent :-) Let me know if there's anything I can help you with, or if you have any questions. Best, Robert / R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Left you a message. AJona1992 (talk) 01:16, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Amor Prohibido (song)
Hello AJonas1992! I have wrote a review for the article you have been working, Amor Prohibido (song). There are several problems that do need to be addressed however, so here is the review. If you have any questions, posted in the review page. Thank you. Magiciandude (talk) 16:22, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok I will address these issues asap. Thanks for the review. AJona1992 (talk) 18:17, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I have addressed mostly all of the concerns, however I left some messages on the talk page about some of your requests that I am having difficulties with, thanks. AJona1992 (talk) 01:16, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Check my talk page... R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:49, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello! Your submission of Amor Prohibido (song) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 15:16, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Responded AJona1992 (talk) 16:25, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks
Thanks for stealing my user page design...  Mike  Allen   01:24, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * LoL Mike, I think he stole it from me - who of course stole it from you way back when. Oh, and thanks again for the help with it. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:32, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * LOLZ Mike I forgot you had that, giving that I hardly go talk to you now haha. And yes Robert I got it from you. If it's something you guys don't want me to have, I will take it off. Thanks AJona1992 (talk) 01:42, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * LoL, I think Mike is probably just teasing you... especially since he was gracious enough not just to let me steal it from him, but help me figure out how to use it (my first lessons on Wiki markup). -R R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Just joking. ;-) I still can't remember who I 'got' it from.  I did a lot of tweaks to it though.  Mike   Allen   01:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * (ec) I noticed. I think I need to go back to your page and steal your new version. :-) Best, Rob R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:58, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea Mike's a great person too haha ;) well we all have something in common at least right? and Mike oh wow it must of been a long time ago then. AJona1992 (talk) 01:56, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I missed your AN/I. I thought you had finally straighten up! Lesson number one.. don't "yawn" when someone is trying to give you advice. Lawl. :P @Robert, I mean I tweaked it from the version I originally found it.  I have since tweaked it some more, per WP:ACCESSIBILITY. It has modern markup code (thanks to another editor).  Mike   Allen   02:03, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's ok we have resolved it. AJona1992 (talk) 02:06, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mike! Will check it out when I get to revising my up. -R R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 02:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Suggestions
Hello AJona1992 and congratulations on getting Amor Prohibod (song) Good Article! I've provided a few suggestions for next time you want to make a GA nomination. This will lessen the hassle of getting an article GA:


 * Copy edit. If you have trouble with it, ask for a copy edit request at the Guild of Copy Editors.
 * Peer review. Try getting the article peer review before it is GA nominated.

Now this suggestion is just a personal. I saw you tried to create a WikiProject Selena but it was opposed. Why not join the Latin music task force? Since Selena was (no doubt of the greatest) musicians of Latin America, it is under our scope for her articles as well. Magiciandude (talk) 16:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for helping me make it a GA! And thanks for the suggestions as well. Well only one person opposed to the proposal so I don't think its fully opposed yet. Thanks for the offer I will check it out and see if its right for me. AJona1992 (talk) 16:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Congratulations Jona!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 22:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * LOLZ thanks Robert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am glad that I made it into a GA, now next to my next project. AJona1992 (talk) 22:47, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not exactly an expert on spelling and grammer to be honest. You can make a request here to be copyedited. They are pros. Magiciandude (talk) 18:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok I just added myself there, thanks for telling me about that as well! AJona1992 (talk) 18:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Categorization of people
Please note that there are specific criteria for categorizing people in Wikipedia. Specifically, the relevant guideline states that "Inclusion must be specifically relevant to at least one of the subject's notable activities and an essential part of that activity, but is not required to be an exclusive interest." Selena being raised as a JW does not satisfy that criteria.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 14:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You should point specifically to the applicable section, Jeffro77, like this. This helps all editors to understand your particular point, by easily accessing the pertinent section of the policy/guideline.  It's always best to take it to the talk page of the article before reverting, which I see has not been done.  Good call not to revert again, AJona1992... Doc9871 (talk) 15:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok I will read that later, but she is a JW so that's why I was bothered when you removed it from her article. AJona1992 (talk) 16:42, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "For a dead person, there must be a verified general consensus of reliable published sources that the description is appropriate." The WP:BURDEN is on you, my friend... Doc9871 (talk) 16:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well theres, for one, a lot of books that were done on her that states she is a JW. Secret also sourced that information on the article. So I am still kinda loss on why it was removed, it had sources from a book and on top of that on a FA article. Is there something I am missing? AJona1992 (talk) 16:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is, actually. Look at Jeffro77's recent contributions.  Seeing a "Jehovah's Witness" similarity to the edits?  Make sure Selena's article is properly sourced for her being a JW, and then Jeffro can move onto the next JW article.  If it was properly sourced before: restore it.  Give them an inch, and they'll take a mile... Doc9871 (talk) 16:55, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Bold, Revert, Discuss. He's gotta take it to the talk page now.  Cheers... Doc9871 (talk) 17:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I mean like I said theres books written about her that states it and if he feels its not notable then I will go with what he says then. AJona1992 (talk) 17:29, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Umm... no, you won't go with what "he says". I've taken care of it for now by undoing him and directing him to the talk page: if reliable sources back it up, all you have to do is include them.  This was a "drive-by" - he was hitting multiple articles in a JW POV "spurt", and Selena was one of them.  Be bold, and know that when you're right: just back it up with reliable sources.  Other editors may have "helped" you in other ways, but I will "thicken your skin" (and I helped pull you off the "chopping block" before you were even given the chance to be mentored).  I've got your back whether you know it or not: just listen to all of us, and you'll learn more than you might even want to.  Cheers :> Doc9871 (talk) 17:40, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes and I thanked you for that. Ok I will keep an eye out for the talk page so we can discuss this matter. And thanks for helping out Doc. Your such a nice person to talk to. AJona1992 (talk) 18:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Just keep in mind the 2RR restriction... sadly, no amounts of proper citations in the world negate it. :-) R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 20:17, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There was no JW POV 'spurt'. There was a cleanup of the category per the specific Wikipedia guidelines for categories about people in regard to religious affiliation within the scope of the WikiProject I'm involved in. Specifically, though there is no contention about whether Selena was raised as a JW, there seems to be no indication that her being a JW has any relevance to her notability, which is a very explicit criteria for inclusion in categories about people. Read the Wikipedia guideline in question.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 08:23, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe it's going to be reverted soon ;) hahaha. AJona1992 (talk) 02:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Your 'laughter' suggests you imagine this to be a contest. I'm simply applying the relevant guidelines.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 04:28, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you are not, and you are contradicting yourself with your arguments there. See the talk page, and respond there, please... Doc9871 (talk) 04:33, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not contradict myself. You misinterpreted what I said. Continued at article Talk.-- Jeffro 77 (talk) 05:33, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really it just seems like you are just removing categories that you feel don't belong there. AJona1992 (talk) 13:14, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I meant here that Doc9871 misinterpreted what I said. However if you believe my rationale is somehow arbitrary, then you also have misunderstood. Selena was not notable for being a JW, and was not officially a member of the religion. The criteria for inclusion in categories about people is quite clear.-- Jeffro 77  (talk) 13:18, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey...
You ok? I'm going to look for you online during lunch break tomorrow (Wed). Hope to talk to you then... R R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 05:29, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * A little. Alright I have been on. AJona1992 (talk) 13:12, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Starting a FAC
AJona, please follow the instructions at WP:FAC when initiating a FAC. I'm not sure what you did to start the FAC, but it took me almost ten edits to fix it. Also, pls be aware that it is highly unusual for an article to be brought to featured status with 11 edits, no peer review, and no GAN. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 14:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. Well I re-created the article withing two weeks and I didn't know about the 11 edits. The article is not a new article so I am guessing there should be more? And I been asking other editors to look over it but none seem to want to help except my mentor but he only helped me with a section and I know that he is busy so I really didn't want to continually tell him about it. AJona1992 (talk) 14:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC)