User talk:APK/Archive 17

User page update
"Besides, I'm proud to be a man-humping, cock-sucking, doggy-style loving queer." &rarr; "Besides, I'm proud to be a fucking queer." I gotta say, I liked the old sentence better. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll have to agree with MZM here, which doesn't happen often. Unless of course you're nolonger into man-humping, cock-sucking and doggy-style, I think you should be blocked for changing it. Do you have a source to back this change up? His name and number will suffice. :P - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 18:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That must have been my evil twin, APK (AsexualPreachersKid).  APK  straight up now tell me  02:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * lmao! good save. - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 03:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Help identify DC location in 1927 photo
I see you seem to somewhat of an expert on the Dupont Circle neighborhood. Can you take a look at this photo and see if you can figure out where it was taken? Someone guessed Dupont Circle, based on the curved stones and its proximity to where one of the subjects lived, but I'm wondering if it might be Sherdian Circle, based on the width of the sidewalk. Google Street View makes it look like Dupont Circle's sidewalk is too narrow, although it's possible the street was widened sometime after the photo was taken (82 years ago) and the sidewalk isn't as wide as it used to be. Thanks for your time and any info you can provide! —mjb (talk) 22:15, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure thing. At first glance it looks like Sheridan Circle, but I'll do some research and get back to you momentarily.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  22:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Being nosy.. I'd say that image is an excellent restoration compared to the original. - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 22:31, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Having looked through my Sheridan Circle photos (which reminds me, I need to upload quite a few pix), I don't think any of them could be the one pictured. All of the embassies/former homes on Sheridan Circle were built before 1927, and the small (possibly curved) 2nd floor balcony doesn't match on any of current buildings. I'm 99% sure it's the now-demolished Levi Leiter Mansion (view from the north...it's in the background, on the left), current site of the The Dupont Hotel (formerly known as the Jury's Washington Hotel...rebranded and currently being renovated).  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  22:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I forgot to mention, the shrubs must have been cut down before the 1927 photo. The balcony, windows, tree, and corner of the building are all a match. BTW, I'm a shorpy addict.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  23:14, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Wow that was fast! Thanks! You're right, it's got to be the Leiter mansion. The tree branches match exactly, and the railing-topped fence and the fence column are also a match. So I guess the streets were probably widened at some point. Thanks for the links to the photos! Do you want to post a comment on Shorpy or should I? I'd do it with due credit, of course. I'm actually getting ready to post a comment with a positive ID and biographical details about one of the young ladies in the photo as well; I got in touch with her nephew and also had some help from a genealogist.

And ALLST✰R, thanks for that link to the LOC record. That's got to be scanned from a print, yes? The one on Shorpy is from the original negative. —mjb (talk) 00:25, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I worded that wrong. I meant the one I linked to was from the original negative collection. FYI, you can search the National Photo Company collection here. It has lots of awesome old images and they are all copyright free. Using that search, I found the image that is now on the Percy Quin article when I hadn't been able to find one previously. - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 03:29, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * De nada. I'll let you post it. In regards to biographical details, I'm the same way. I took a photo of a house down the street, and ended up researching the original owner's (a Senator) family tree.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  00:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
A brand new account and his first edit is to my talk page? Dirty socks! - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 22:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * fo rizzle my gizzle.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  22:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I just don't think this can get any better. - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 06:42, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Another thanks
Thanks for reporting the abusive vandal. Lady of  Shalott  03:16, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * No problemo. ;-)  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  04:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

To anyone who has my talk page watchlisted...
...I have two questions. (No one has responded at the HD, so I'll copy & paste here.)


 * 1) What is the link for cross-checking the edit history of two users? I've seen it before, but have never used it.


 * 1) I'm fairly sure a BLP is being controlled by one editor (possibly close to the subject) operating at least three accounts. Is there anywhere I can ask for an outside opinion, or is WP:SSP the only place?

 APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  16:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * http://toolserver.org/~bjweeks/cgi-bin/wikistalk.py, though there are others (some require keys, though).
 * E-mail (or leave a note on the talk page of) someone who is actively involved in sockpuppet investigations for a second opinion. Tiptoety comes to mind, off-hand, though there are certainly others who are also pretty good at detecting account misuse / abuse.
 * Isn't it beautiful outside? What are you doing sock-hunting? --MZMcBride (talk) 16:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Mucho grassy ass. I'm not usually a hunter, but somethin' really fishy is goin' on with this article. I don't do fish.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  16:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Care to say what the article is? Lady  of  Shalott  16:45, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * (ec)P.S. Yes, it is beautiful. The District of Columbia Flood of 2009 may be over at last! To me Lady, Bob Wood (author).  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  16:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow. Lady  of  Shalott  16:59, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 85 categories....and check out the turfing at WhatLinksHere. Wow is right. Maralia (talk) 17:15, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Have cleaned up some turfing at Bògòlanfini, Tam (cap), WESCO oil, and Bill Huizenga. The remaining links elsewhere seem at least arguably helpful. Maralia (talk) 17:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've done some culling of the categories. More need to be removed. Lady  of  Shalott  17:38, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, wow. I was gallivanting around the District this afternoon. Thanks for the assistance. Do y'all think I should open a SSP case? (look here)  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  22:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I started one. Sockpuppet investigations/OddibeKerfeld  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  00:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That was fruitful: Sockpuppet investigations/OddibeKerfeld/Archive. Lady  of  Shalott  03:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Alaska Governor's Mansion picture
First, let me say I'm sorry about the use of the picture on the mansion article: I wasn't paying attention.

As to the rest — it's on Commons, rather than local, and Finavon is always going around cropping these images that need to be cropped, so it won't be long until it's cropped. I deleted because it's substantially the same and will soon be identical. Nyttend (talk) 15:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry my message sounded bitchy. It's that time of the month.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  13:52, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * And as well, I wasn't doing like I should have, so you had some reason to be annoyed. Nyttend (talk) 14:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Totally irrelevant to the governor's mansion...
Just a quick question — I was confused by agnostic theism: do you mean that you believe in God, but not sure that he exists? Not trying to evangelise or anything; just rather confused, and would like it if you could sum it up in a few words. Nyttend (talk) 14:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Agnostics believe God may or may not exist. I believe God exists, but that there is no way to prove it. Like evolution, it's a matter of faith.


 * Christians cite the Bible as proof of his existence, but that's circular reasoning. If a Wikipedia article about Joe Blow was using his own book/website as proof of his notability, we would consider it WP:SPS.


 * I believe the Bible was written by man, as opposed to God writing it through man. The book contains many analogies which we can use to better ourselves, but it also condones genocide (Numbers 31:1-18), rape (2 Samuel 12:11-12), sex slavery (Judges 21:11-12), human sacrifice (Numbers 31:40), cruel and collective punishment (2 Kings 2:23-24, Joshua 7:1-26), etc..


 * I'm not an atheist for two reasons: 1) the human body, nature, the solar system, etc. are far too complicated to be the result of a "big bang" or some random accident 2) I don't think we cease to exist after we die.


 * Do you understand my reasoning?  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  17:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And on the other end: Pragmatic agnosticism: Apathetic agnosticism (also called pragmatic agnosticism)—the view that thousands of years of debate has neither proven, nor dis-proven, the existence of one or more deities (gods). This view concludes that even if one or more deities exist, they do not appear to be concerned about the fate of humans. Therefore, their existence has little impact on humanity and should be of little interest. - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 17:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understand your reasoning — thanks for explaining. Nyttend (talk) 19:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think of the issue as a separation between knowledge and belief. Gnosis refers to knowledge; I am an agnostic because I don't know if any god(s) exist(s). I am an atheist because I don't believe in the existence of any deities. Lady  of  Shalott  20:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * (ec)Okay, cool. I told my mom that since I "got saved" at the age of six, she doesn't have to worry about the soul of her heathen child (thanks to eternal security). It seemed to comfort her.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  20:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

DC Meetup
Hey APK. Are you planning on going to the next DC meetup? I can't think of anything more awful tho than TGI Fridays in Foggy Bottom. Would much rather drink my dinner instead. Best, epicAdam(talk) 22:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Howdy. I think so, but a friend wants me to spend the weekend in the Inner Harbor. Are you planning to attend? I've never been to the TGI in Faggy Bottom. Do the tourists eat there? I've grown tired of people visiting from BFE, Arkansas staring me down as they ride around the Circle.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  23:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not stalking of course, but thought I'd give you a heads up: Foggy Bottom TGI is the worst one in the world (yes, I've been to every one of them). Went to GW and not once did my experience last less than 2 hours and with a completely incompetent waiter/waitress. Oh, and drinks come very slowly and one at a time... :-(  wadester  16  23:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yikes. That almost makes the craptastic waitstaff at Afterwords sound competent.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  23:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey. Yeah, Bertucci's may be better. I think I may go--interesting to meet up with the DC folks; though, would much prefer if you were there... if only because you're around my age! --epicAdam(talk) 03:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

It got moved from Friday's to Bertucci's. --MZMcBride (talk) 02:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

(butting in) Looks like I'm not going to be able to make this one after all. A friend who moved to Germany last year is back in town, but working during the week, so I won't get to see her until a party on Saturday night. Bummed that I'm going to miss meeting you again. I even got my hair did on Saturday :( Maralia (talk) 03:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * "butting in" - That's what he said. (drumroll) On a related note, this makes me happy.
 * You got your hair did? Ooooo gurl, I got my toenails did and a cute outfit from the DressBarn. The clearance rack at 17th & K was callin my name.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  12:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you sure it was the clearance rack calling your name? I could've sworn you got that latest getup from the leather rack... -epicAdam(talk) 12:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean the leather chaps and harness I wore at MAL? Those were on clearance, but it was only because they were used and had a distinct popper smell. I was actually thinking about wearing the harness over my new dress. I'm sooooo on my way to becoming a fashion icon. Eat your heart out, Gaga.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  14:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm really surprised you don't have your own fan club. Though, being an APK and all, I'd think you'd be more like Katy Perry... -epicAdam(talk) 17:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Location change (and reservations made) for DC meetup
We originally considered TGI Friday's in Foggy Bottom as the meetup location, however I stopped by TGI Friday's this evening to make reservations. I was less than impressed, which is consistent with the comments above. The staff was not so helpful, and the menu has hardly anything vegetarian which is an issue for some people. And, they apparently don't take reservations, except perhaps if you call 24 hours ahead of time.

So, I checked out the Bertucci's pizza/Italian place across the street (21st & I St NW). Their staff couldn't have been more helpful, think it will be fairly quiet so we will be able to hear each other, and is a suitable place for us (e.g suitable for Wikipedians under-21, accessible for the disabled, not too noisy, etc.). So, reservations are made for Bertucci's at 5pm on Saturday. I hope you can make it to the meetup. --Aude (talk) 02:57, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * That block has its own article. My fellow WikiProject NRHP members will like that.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  12:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Bertucci's: much better selection. And the block has its own article because GW spent our tuition dollars on a mall one year rather than-you know-programming, academics, and the like. Though I'm not resentmentful at all! Although..... to their credit, it is a very cool buidling.  wadester 16  13:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

D.C. Meetup, Saturday, June 6, 2009
The 7th DC Meetup dinner will be held this Saturday, June 6th, starting at 5 p.m. The event will be at Bertucci's, near George Washington University and the Foggy Bottom metro station. It will follow the Apps for Democracy open source event at GWU. For details or to RSVP if you haven't already, see Meetup/DC 7. (You have received this announcement because your user page indicates that you live in Maryland, Virginia, or DC.) Delivered by The  Helpful  Bot   at 19:34, 2 June 2009 (UTC) to report errors, please leave a note here.

Greetings from Estonia
Howdy! I was browsing through some profiles of Wikipedians - while trying to re-categorise my own profile - and stumbled upon your profile in the LGBT Wikipedians category. I was intrigued by the username and then I was surprised in a very positive way to find out that we seem to share a lot in common - from interests and sexual orientation to political worldview. As this does not happen very often I just could not resist the temptation to drop you a message and say that I would be very much interested in further interaction/communication as well as perhaps in co-operation here in Wikipedia. I do spend most of my time working on Estonian version but if something - or someone - motivates me to be more active in the English language version, I am happy to help and contribute.

If you think you would be interested in an overseas colleague / acquaintance, feel free to drop me a line or two at sevsuv(at)gmail.com. Thanks for your time and attention! -- Sacerdos79 (talk) 15:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note. If you'd like to work on the Embassy of Estonia in Washington, D.C. article with me, that would be nice. 8-) It's a topic that would probably be of interest to both of us.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  17:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * (random side note) While researching the embassy's history, I found an old Washington Post article that connects the building with Augustus Saint-Gaudens. A marble bust named Freddie had been discovered and was on display at the Landon School. Sadly, no one knows where Freddie is now.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  17:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

FPC
Considering the quality of images you take, and the interest in the medium, I'm surprised you don't take part in featured picture candidates. I've learned a lot about photography there and have even gotten a couple FPs out of it. Any interest?  wadester 16  18:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, the two experiences I've had with FPC weren't that great. I was on a WikiBreak and unaware of the US Capitol nomination. I wouldn't have submitted the image to FPC.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  19:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Didn't mean to tear you apart there. :-) But yea, it takes more than a pocket digi camera to make FP, but the photography you do see leads to inspiration and the drive to do better. Taking part also teaches you about the technicals. (Admittedly we're in need of some !voting bodies as well). Your choice; I just thought you'd be good for it and enjoy it.  wadester 16  21:31, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Stop
Stop removing my edits on the mariska hargitay page... have you nothing better to do than to go around deleteing people's edits? You will be reported if it happens again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.171.45.33 (talk) 19:53, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 173.x.x.x warned about 3RR and sourcing from IMDB. As far as I'm concerned, this is a BLP issue and reverts of this editor's inappropriate sourcing are exempt from 3RR.   Acroterion  (talk)  20:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe the editor has removed the IMDB ref, which duplicated another ref (whose validity I haven't checked). You should probably avoid reverts on this article apart from obvious BLP violations.  Acroterion  (talk)  00:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

there is another IMDB cited artifact on the same EXACT page, so don't spew that crap at me... i don't want to hear it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.171.45.33 (talk) 20:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If IMDB is being used to source anything on the article, that should also be removed. IMDB is not acceptable as a source. Lady  of  Shalott  03:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * To the IP - That's why I was reverting; IMDb can't be used on BLPs and I told you that several times. Notice that I didn't revert when you added more sources? That was someone else. So take a chill pill.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  03:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Dude...
... I wrote that article. It was my first ever Wikinews article! --Jayron32. talk . contribs 02:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Good work on the article. So sad. Three fatalities and several critically injured. I hope the plant can address safety issues and eventually reopen. That would be terrible if hundreds of people are left without a job. This is the third plant explosion in recent NC history. One of my sisters worked near the West Pharmaceutical Plant. She said the walls shook and it sounded like a bomb had been dropped.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  10:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I live like a mile from the ConAgra plant, but was away from my house when the explosion occurred. I did a followup article just yesterday; the company has agreed to continue to pay the displaced workers indefinately, so they will not be losing their paychecks.  Additonally, they have set up a $100,000 United Way fund to provide additional assisstance.  Yes, I am definately praying for the families of those affected.  It is quite a sad situation, but at least the company has stepped up and appears to be doing the right things.  --Jayron32. talk . contribs  17:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Daguerreotype collection
I think you'll enjoy this site:. Lady of  Shalott  16:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Gracias for the link. The first person I noticed was Clarissa (aka Clara) Harlowe Barton.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  18:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw that one too! :) Lady  of  Shalott  18:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting
Hi, I started a new discussion here about whether or not the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting article should be categorized as terrorism. Please feel free to join in. ← George [ talk  ] 00:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

OMG
He does: User:James von Brunn, not surprisingly. I found it when I did a spot-check of his name on Google today. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 19:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * o-m-g. I added it to the article, right after I picked my jaw up off the floor.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  19:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Look.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  19:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Never mind, it's been oversighted. But not before I took a screen shot of it.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  19:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw it before it was closed. Charming fellow, no?  Methinks he left when he discovered we wouldn't let him get away with spewing his venom around here. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 20:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Care to upload the screenshot? This is extremely interesting.  wadester 16  20:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Will someone delete it/Is that against WP policy to upload an oversighted page?  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  20:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Upload it Wikipedia (not commons) under GFDL, cropping anything out that gives away your operating system or browser. All Wikipedia material is explicitly licensed under GFDL, whether deleted or not. If anyone gives you a problem, blame me.  wadester 16  20:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks like the user page has been restored (for now). Someone keeps removing the fact he had a WP account.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  20:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I asked for temporary semi-protection, but User:Stifle said no...right before he nominated it for deletion. Coincidence? If there's anyone watching my page that doesn't have an agenda, can you protect the article for 24 hrs?  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  21:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Only just got back to my computer. Doesn't look like it really needs protection; few reverts, really. But let me know if you think it's warranted in the future and I'll give it a serious consider.  wadester 16  02:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not to be ghoulish, but do you want to try for a picture of the museum today, O DC photo-maven, to illustrate the article? I work just around the corner; I can try and pop out on my lunch break, or right after work, to get one.  Think it would be of some value? --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 13:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a few pix (not very good ones) from last year, but it would help to have a wider view of the surrounding area. BTW, today's WaPo has a lot of good info that can be used.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  14:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * YES! I was just about to ask the same thing. The current photo of the place is terrible, and doesn't even show the actual architectural characteristics of the building (it shows that red brick building on Independence as much as it does the museum). I would suggest getting a straight-on shot of both sides from across their respective streets. Not sure what the weather's like in DC today, but if it's not the great, I'd say wait until it's a sunny day. Blue skies make all the difference in a landscape shot.  wadester 16  14:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunatly, Flickr doesn't have much of a selection of free images of the place.  wadester 16  14:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, my point about today is simply that it's closed in honor of the guard who was shot, so if I got a photograph for the infobox it could be captioned "View of the museum the day after the shooting" or some such. Sure, on a sunny day I can try for better general views.  (Besides which, the chance to finally trump the great APK at getting a DC-specific shot is awfully tempting...I swear, every time I photograph something and think I should put it in an article, I find that you've done a superior job. :-) ) --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 14:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment. (sends AlbertHerring $20 through PayPal) ;-) If you can get a pic today, that would be great. I can't go over there until late this afternoon. In the "reaction" section, should we add statements made by Obama, the Israeli embassy, ADL, and CAIR? Also, this might be relevant: "Police said they found a notebook in the suspect's possession that apparently contained a list of District locations, including Washington National Cathedral. Police bomb squads were sent to at least 10 sites to investigate. Security was also stepped up at Jewish schools, synagogues and community centers in both the city and the suburbs, as a precaution against the possibility of copy-cat attacks, officials said. Law enforcement authorities stressed that they believe Von Brunn acted alone, and said they did not have any evidence that other sites were at risk."  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  14:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

OK - I'll shoot (sorry) for sometime this afternoon. Not sure about my lunch break, because I also have to eat at some point. But I might have enough of an afternoon break to manage. Worst comes to worst I'll try and swing by on my way home this evening - I leave early enough that it should still be light.

As to the reactions and the notebook, I think both are certainly valid to be included in the article. Especially since this isn't your run-of-the-mill everyday DC shooting.

Oh...and you're quite welcome to the compliment. It's always nice to see folks doing good work for DC on here. (Speaking of which, I really must get off my duff and start that article on Banita Jacks I've been meaning to write...) --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 14:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Right - couple of images added. I'm not sure how great they are, but I think they'll do.  Maybe tomorrow, if it's not raining, I'll try and get a picture of anything that's been left in tribute.  Can't guarantee it, though. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 02:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Muchas gracias. (side note: I'm about to lose my fucking, goddamn patience with a certain editor. I'd like to get the article as stable as possible for a GA nomination. /end vent)  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  14:08, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

DC stamp
Hey APK -- as another DC wikipedian, would you mind weighing in on Files_for_deletion/2009_June_12? Thanks! -- Autopilot (talk) 13:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello. I'm afraid they're correct. According to WP policy, the image would have to be used in an article specifically about the stamp. I'm sorry. :-(  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  19:34, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I disagree!
At 09:15, 9 June 2009, you undid a minor mod I made to the "List of United States cities by population" page. You said it screwed up the layout - actually, what it did was make the layout more accessible!

To have to manually scroll down past that column of pictures to get to the table of cities on that page is ... well, let me just say it's bad user interface. All I did was provide folks a convenient way to skip directly to the table without having to do all that scrolling.

I trust that you wouldn't have wiped my edit without some reason - would you tell me what it is, so we don't get into an undo/redo/undo/redo... loop? What do you have against making access to the page easier for people?!?

Gymnos (talk) 11:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC) Tom Davis Gymnos (talk) 11:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC) tmd@tom-davis.org


 * You don't see the large amount of white space? Look at the difference.  APK  lives in a very, very Mad World  11:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

REPLY: Yes, I did see the enormous amount of whitespace; it fills most of the width of the page for most of the list of city images. My objective was to allow a reader to easily skip past that [semi-]interminable vertical array of images, directly down to the table. I'm afraid I don't understand the point you're trying to make from the note you left above.

Hmmm; could we continue this conversation off-line? You're so popular that this topic has nearly scrolled off "the edge of the world" in just a few hours. Could you please send whatever reply you have to me at "tmd@tom-davis.org"? Thanks.

- Tom Davis (user ID 'gymnos') —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gymnos (talk • contribs) 23:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I moved your original message to the bottom of the page and I'd rather not e-mail. My point was the whitespace doesn't look good and the article is a featured list. That means the current layout is considered the best option.  APK  is in the gay mafia  23:52, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

REPLY:

Now I see what's going on. I display my browser window in about 3/4 of the screen, rather than at full-screen, and at that size there isn't room for both the table and the cities side-by-side, hence my "need" to hop to the table. I just (4 AM) woke up and realized I should do a full-screen display, and when I did, I saw what you're talking about. I'll yield the point; it's just an artifact of the way the browser works.

- Tom Davis (user ID 'gymnos') —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gymnos (talk • contribs) 09:24, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Clarence Lightner
was the first African American elected to a metropolitan (of 50,000 or more population) southern city with a majority white population. The use of metropolitan to define Raleigh was in the NY Times article about Lightner. Chapel Hill was below 50,000 in population when it elected its first African American mayor.--Parkwells (talk) 01:35, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahhh. Muchas gracias. I've still gotta find content related to his time in office before I can nominate it for GA. (according to the peer review)  APK  is in the gay mafia  01:40, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

So in love lust
With Dustin Lance Black thanks to these Caution: NSFW link ahead.. - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 06:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm verklempt. I visited WP:RFPP two days ago, but then E! and The Advocate mentioned the news.  APK  is in the gay mafia  14:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Bad, bad menses


What will we ever do with them homer-sexuals!? - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 21:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * jesus christ. No wonder there's so many people (from that era) that hate us. It makes me want to flaunt my faggotry by visiting Halo and enjoying a fun-filled night of sodomy. Here's some palate cleansers.  APK  (If You Wanna)  23:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Holy shit; that's shameful. Though if you guys would stop wearing tuxes when you play basketball, people would suspect so much.  wadester 16  18:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, you know the stereotype.. we're fashionable - in everything we do. - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 20:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

The Real World: Washington, D.C.
Dude, KUDOS on all the properly-referenced material you added! And you even added a pic! I'm the only I know who adds this much material, and sourced, including pics! Nice to know I won't be the only one making sure the RW articles conform to policy. Btw, feel free to add that pic here. Lemme know if you need help doing so. Nightscream (talk) 15:02, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Gracias. I was going to write an article when I first heard the news (the local blogs have been talking about it for the past few weeks), but it slipped my mind. So thanks for starting it. Local reaction is varied, but I'm still undecided. The house is, um, close to my place. As long as police and ambulances aren't being called, I'm fine with them being here. They started filming today. What do you think of the DYK hooks? (P.S. I hope you don't mind me fixing your typo; due===>dude)  APK  (If You Wanna)  01:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Y'know, it's funny. I photographed the three RW residences that I lived close enough to (New York, Back to New York and Brooklyn), and was thinking about finding local Wiki editors who live near the other seasons' residences to do the same, and lo and behold, you went and did it! I think the only other article to have a residence photo in it is the Philly season.


 * Did I really misspell "dude"? Sheesh.


 * Um, what are DYK hooks? Nightscream (talk) 03:10, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Here you go. I was reading the Blade a few minutes ago, and noticed these two stories.  APK  (If You Wanna)  03:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I just want you to stake out the D.C. gay bars and snap pics of any of my Mississippi reps or senators going in and out of them. - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 03:27, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Better yet, I'll stake out this place. (NSFW)  APK  (If You Wanna)  03:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't see anything NSFW there.. but I did click on the Membership Information link and Directions link. lol - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here @ 06:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm about to cuss...and it's Sunday.  APK  (If You Wanna)  22:05, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Yo youtuber
Saw this and this and thought of you... -- Banj e b oi   02:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks :-)
 * Side note - I won't be contributing to this site for the foreseeable future. If DYK is allowed to be run by condescending, stubborn blowhards who will stop at nothing to prove some point (even if that means calling The Washington Post, Washington City Paper, Washington Blade, Washingtonian, USA Today, and Washington Examiner unreliable sources...I'm sending e-mails to the Blade, Post, WCP, Washingtonian, WE, DCist, Gawker, etc. today with copies of the discussion and to let them know that WP irony alert considers them unreliable reporters), then I don't a see reason to contribute articles. If those three are allowed to choose what's reliable, then God help this site. Watching them gang-rape the article at DYK was quite something. I have a youtube they should watch. G'day folks.  APK  (If You Wanna)  12:25, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yikes, I see both sides frankly. The hooks need to be rock solid so sourcing, which - with my DYK experiences, have to hit them over the head as being nearly word-for-word. Having stated that the attitude wasn't helpful on anyone's part. You're essentially asking them for a favor and kicking them to get it done - mind you we are all volunteering - but a bag of oranges to the doctor performing your mom's surgery isn't always the worst idea. You don't have to suck up but a more collegial response would have been to come up with a third alt hook to address the reasonable stated concerns. Having stated all that ... DYK is a bit of a fiefdom easily monopolized and with power comes responsibility; I feel they may have done everyone a disservice to not simply try to find a win-win solution. If there is still time I suggest trying a 3rd alt. In any case don't kiss it all off and let them drive you away - we need you. In a more just world their keyboards would jolt them a bit but until then just take it in as a lesson on how people should not be treated. My topic-ban totally sucked, and not in a good way, but it did show me that bad decisions are made regularly and I'm a bit less quick to harshly judge others. In any case please dust yourself off, hit yourself with a virtual rolled-up newspaper and carry on. Your dignity and worth will never be diminished by someone else's comments but by fruity drinks!  -- Banj e  b oi   21:29, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

One hell of a tour
Heaven's Gate June 2009 Celebrity Tour - ALLST✰R ▼ echo wuz here 08:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone else may be joining in the near future.  APK  is your own Personal Jesus  19:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)