User talk:APK/Archive 2

Population of communities
I've replied on the help desk page. Thanks for your concern! Nyttend (talk) 05:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Brokeback
Can you go back and look at your edit after mine on the Brokeback Mountain page? My intent was to remove all the horrible and even merely misguided things put in there, and I think in trying to revert to something before the vandalism you accidentally put some stuff back in: "Gyllenhaal himself took the opinion that Ennis and Jack were *homosexual* men who "develop this love, this bond," also saying in a Details magazine interview: "I approached the story believing that these are actually two *disturbed* guys who fall in love."[37] Still others stated that they felt the characters' sexuality to be simply ambiguous. Clarence Patton and Christopher Murray said in New York's Gay City News that Ennis and Jack's experiences were metaphors for "many men who do not identify as gay or even queer, but who nevertheless have *dirty* sex with other men". Manyanswer (talk) 20:05, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I tried to go back through the history and revert to the last version before vandalism was inserted, but it's difficult with this article since it's constantly changed. Look over it and let me know if there are still problems. Thanks. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 20:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on this. I've requested semi-protection. Perhaps the death of one of the stars has brought the vandals out of the woodwork. --Tony Sidaway 20:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help. It's on the LGBT watchlist, so I'll try to keep a look-out for vandalism as best I can. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 20:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

By the way, Manyanswer, I want to make it plain that I recognise that you made your edit out of conviction and you're not a vandal. My comment wasn't a reference to your edit. --Tony Sidaway 20:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

No worries on either count. I've been watching the page, since there are two problems, one, vandalism and two, misunderstanding of the context that makes people switch around the sexualities! It's definitely hard to resolve it all (I couldn't which is why I suggested you try, APK!) But I'll take another look now. Manyanswer (talk) 05:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Removing the Videography of Rick Pantera
We understand fully the guidelines of the structure within the community of this organization. If you intend to limit the accuracy of the Videography within the Rick Pantera information then you must also limit the Videography information presented for Kip Noll, Randy White, Jason Tyler, Bobby Madison, Blade Thompson, Brent Everett, Sergio Canali, Jack Wrangler, and hundred other adult performers. When, if, ,and or, until the countless other Videography or limited we intend to provide equal coverage for Adult performer Rick Pantera. thank you World News International (talk) 23:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Placing this on the article talk page and my user page isn't necessary. The talk page is there for a reason, and I replied there. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 23:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I replied at my talk page; there really was no need to put it all three places. :) Aleta   (Sing)  23:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess 'news bulletins' need to be everywhere...oh, wait. ;-) AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 23:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh boy, here it goes... What a mess. The way "they" are talking, I wonder if it really is some kind of role account or if it is just one person. BTW, I've asked a question about the image that Glenn Patrick Glenn posted. It says self-made, but it appears to be a screenshot from a television program, so I doubt he really owned the copyright to be able to release it into the public domain. Aleta  (Sing)  04:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Notice on his user talk page how he mentions Brown v Board of Education, trying to make this whole discussion somehow legally relevant? Invoking Brown and speaking in legal jargon is rather sad...I hope it doesn't work on the admin who reviews the block. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 04:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Brown v. BOE is irrelevant, but it's borderline making a legal threat, which is itself a bannable offense.  Aleta   (Sing)  04:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

FYI - WNI is now Point Nexis. Aleta  (Sing)  17:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I noticed that. I wonder if he's still going to continue with the "WE" language.--AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 17:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * My guess is yes: he did it in the request for name change. We'll see...  Aleta   (Sing)  17:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Extra video cleanup
Thanks for taking that on. I'm not going to offer to help, because like with Pantera, I wouldn't have a clue which to leave and which to remove. However, if you see other cleanup that needs to happen on the articles (esp. stuff like grammar, italicization of titles needed...), feel free to shoot that my way and I'll work on that. Just drop a note on my talk page. Aleta  (Sing)  00:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Gracias mi amiga. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 00:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Ubx
You may be interested in: User:Allstarecho/scouts. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 03:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

1 month old today
I've now been part of this heathen website for 1 month. I hope to lead all of you to Jesus Christ by the time I'm done. Amen. On a side note, I've made over 1,600 edits in my first month. I know number of edits doesn't exactly represent the quality, but is this normal? Do I need to join a 12-step WikiAddict program? --AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 04:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You just need to get laid kid. Thas all. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 04:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I got that this past weekend...but as soon as I regained consciousness and left his place, I hopped back on the computer. --AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 04:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * lmaoX4 i like you. i don't know why yet, but i do. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 05:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

You sodomites really know how to stick together....yech !!!! I never met one who was not significantly emotionally disturbed. Oh, they can function and prosper in society but when the center of your life is your perverted sex you are emotionally disturbed and after looking at your user page are no different. People like you should and someday will be destroyed. It will be a glorious day. BTW i rotate ip addresses about every 2-3 days........Keep on Suckin'

ps. have you ever thought about putting a gun to your head and giving your life to jesus? i know i could not go through life day to day looking in the mirror at that vile degenerate looking back at me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.88.222.103 (talk) 00:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Spoken like a true Christian. I'm leaving this on my user page as evidence of what in-breeding and Christianty represents. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 01:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to see that the IP has been blocked, even if only temporarily. What is vile is the sort of suggestion that he made. That is truely sick.  Aleta   (Sing)  02:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but I don't understand WP policy in regards to blocking a user for a short period of time when the evidence shows the person is only here to harass and vandalize. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 02:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know... I'd think comments like that one should be sufficient for immediate, permanent ban. Maybe we can't do that with IP's because they can change?  Aleta   (Sing)  02:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, you are correct Aleta. They won't perm ban IP numbers because they could belong to anyone at anytime. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 03:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the anonymity of the Internet lets people speak their mind much more freely than they would if they were actually face-to-face with their target. I say unfortunately because it's unfortunate that it deprives us of the chance to sock them in the jaw. :) GlassCobra 03:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This is true. If the anonymous people on the Internet that are hateful and rude came face-to-face with the recipients of their actions, I'm sure the chat rooms, message boards, etc. would look very different. But it's not a big deal to me...I just brush this kind of stuff off and realize how sad and confused this person's life must be to leave messages like that. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless they're cute, which, as I recently found out, trumps everything else. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * lmao damn right! - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 07:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That "policy" is hilarious! Aleta   (Sing)  16:10, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I decided not to join in on that "fun" discussion anymore because I have enough shizzit to deal with right now without worrying about WP debates. (I say that now, but I'm sure I'll give my $0.02 on a debated topic eventually.) I spent all day today and will spend all weekend taking care of a good friend in the hospital who OD on meth and G after he told me he quit...not exactly how I wanted to spend my weekend free time. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ouch. You're a good man, Charlie Brown!  Stick with him - Tina's a bitch and is the downfall of too many of my friends. My heart goes to you and him! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I won't go into the details of what all happened to him the past 2 days, but I'm basically in shock he's still in one piece...but it will take a few months for the injuries to heal. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm so sorry about friend, APK! I hope he's able to recover well and get things together.  Aleta   (Sing)  16:10, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Please keep that comment up, right at the top, after you start archiving your talk page. This gentleman's comments speak more accurately than he realizes. "i know i could not go through life day to day looking in the mirror at that vile degenerate looking back at me." What a life of pain this man must live. I hope he comes to terms with it before he passes it on, to do serious damage to someone else. I wish him Peace, honestly. He clearly needs it. AgnosticPreachersKid, don't let it get you down. People can be better than what is expected of them. --Moni3 (talk) 22:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Moni3. It's not getting me down, it just brings back memories of people back at my old church and shows ignorance at its best worst. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:20, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh goody, now I've made a friend, too. Aleta  (Sing)  02:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Notice that "lezbo" is sooo much cooler than lesbo. I don't know about you, but I feel convicted of my evil ways and want to visit the nearest church. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Dude..seriously. What a piece of work. --Moni3 (talk) 03:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, he/she is definitely a piece of something. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the humor! This guy is nasty. Whatever happened to "love thy neighbor"?  Aleta   (Sing)  03:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, from my experiences growing up, people like that only follow that verse when it applies to white, Baptist heterosexuals. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Get your KJV Bibles out kids!!! It's time for church! AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * When I get there, I'm asking the preacher for some nuts. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 03:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The fun never stops on WP. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Mmmmm.... nuts.... =P (That's me with my tongue out =) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You need Jesus! AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Awww, how sad for you, Allstar! You know, the grocery store usually is well stocked in cashews and pecans.   Aleta   (Sing)  03:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sometimes I feel like a nut, sometimes I feel like 2 or 4 nuts. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 03:51, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Tragically, everyone will have to learn to live without the comments of our esteemed homophobe for another week, even on the now semi-protected talk page. Try to contain your disappointment. :P Jay*Jay (talk) 04:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good, maybe that'll give him time to forget about this pastime and do something more constructive. Aleta   (Sing)  04:52, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe there's a Revival going on at his/her church this week so the time away from WP won't be so boring. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 04:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, you mean there? *Shudders*  Aleta   (Sing)  05:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Southern Decadence flashbacks are occurring in APK's head. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Remember that time they wrapped your nuts in an extension cord and tied it to the ceiling fan? You remove that damn fine picture of Sammy Case again, I'm gonna help you remember it! - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 03:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really...after I swallowed those mints you gave me, I didn't remember much. That image is copyrighted beeotch. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:59, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, copyrighted, but uploaded under fair use. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 04:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Who came up with that name? Some freak actually expects people to be able to pronounce "Flunitrazepam"?!?  Without laughing!?!?!! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the person who came up with that name had taken the pill at the time. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh good. My friend is back.

Ready? Sure?
 * APK, I don't know how to tell you this, so brace yourself. Sit down, make sure you are ready for bad news...

OK, here goes: your friend is... gone again! O tragedy! O miserable agony! Apparently, the poor dear is a slow learner, and has been offered a one month, no expenses pad, wikibreak. I want you to know that we, the LGBT Wikipedians, are here to support you in your time of pain, and will offer whatever solace and comfort we can. My deepest condolences, Jay*Jay (talk) 10:57, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * (said while fighting back tears) That's too bad. :-) Thanks for notifying the admin. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 11:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * One more Christian message from the IP. I guess a one month block is still not getting through his/her head. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 15:27, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Back to talk page semi-protection - and then, there was silence... Jay*Jay (talk) 10:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

List of male performers in gay porn films
I know I'm going to get hate mail for removing sections of the videographies in the articles, but after the whole Talk:Rick Pantera ordeal, I see what needs to be done so the same argument doesn't occur. I already had someone revert one of my edits tonight and I'm sure it won't be the last. If some of you people that monitor the LGBT watchlist would help make sure reverts aren't occuring, I'd appreciate it. I've finished with A-I and I'll work on the rest later...this bitch is tired. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey APK, I suggest you post about this at WT:P*, since it's that project's standards you're using, and it seems reasonable to refer critics of your work to discuss it there. If they don't like the standard, that's where they should try to change it, not with you as an individual. Aleta   (Sing)  22:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm one of the participants in WT:P* and I would suggest you take a look in the archives of the Talk page regarding discussions about the "six film" rule. It's been a source of contention in the past, and it's probably still a valid issue of discussion. Look here, here and here for three of the discussions we had on the topic... there may be more which escape my memory. Mind you the talk at the time was geared toward the breeder side of the market.  Tabercil (talk) 02:19, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the links. I'm not trying to be an ass about all of this, but I agree with the discussions in those links that an entire list of porn movies isn't needed since most of the films aren't really noteworthy. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 02:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Link removal
I have partially undone some of your link removal work on the François Sagat per WP:EL's first clause under What should be linked: "Articles about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to the official site if any." Tabercil (talk) 00:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I reverted and see my edit summary for an explanation. Thanks. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 00:59, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * And I rolled right back again. I would also like to point out the first line of text in the "Links to be Avoided" section of WP:EL: "Except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject..." (emphasis mine) Tabercil (talk) 01:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * So links containing porn and that advertises videos by the porn actor that require someone to verify their age even before viewing is considered appropriate for WP? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 01:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, that probably does come under the WP:NOT clause.  Aleta   (Sing)  01:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Indeed
How to say 'I love you' in different languages:
 * English  I Love You
 * Spanish te amo
 * French Je T'aime
 * German  lch Liebe Dich
 * Japanese  Ai Shite Imasu
 * Thai  Phom rak khun
 * Italian  Ti amo
 * Chinese   Wo Ai Ni
 * Swedish Jag Alskar
 * Alabama, Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, North Carolina, South Carolina. Georgia, Tennessee, Missouri, Mississippi, Louisiana, Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, and parts of Florida
 * Nice Ass, Get in the truck

What? - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 03:59, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * So I just noticed this...I'm slow tonight. I don't ride in trucks...just Beamers. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 04:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

ATTENTION! APK is in a very good mood now. He got laid. All WP arguments and drama cannot affect him this evening, so bitch away at me for my edits. Thank you. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

HA. That image was removed automatically today! I just sped up the process yesterday. It's ok though...APK loves his barnstar. Loves it! Gracias Mr. ASE. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 03:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Jan Novak
Did you notice that's apparently an autobiography? Then someone else apparently tried to clean it up some. Aleta  (Sing)  04:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, someone tagged with COI earlier in the edit history, but it was removed. I noticed the username when he was adding his name to porn actor articles. I don't think it's noteworthy, but if I nominate it for deletion, the porn queens will bitch at me again. Feel free to do it if you think it's not noteworthy. The external links were pointless. It was to an IMD profile that didn't exist, a blog that wasn't really a blog, and a porn site that required registration. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 04:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I cleaned up some of the mess, but nothing significant, mostly formatting type issues.  I might have another look at it, or not.   Aleta   (Sing)  04:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Now now Kid, if he meets WP:FUGLY, then he should be deleted. Unlike Pierre Fitch who meets WP:HOTTIE. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 04:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * He looks like a bottom. Screw him. (pun half-intended) AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 04:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Notice WP:FUGLY now works. Feel free to edit. lol - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 05:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Let the fun begin. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Six Films
I noted your edit and comments with respect to Van Darkholme. I have no problem with the policy that you linked to, or your having applied it. What I wondered is if, when you're making that kind of edit, perhaps you could leave the earliest and latest entry as two of the six films? That would give some kind of indication of the duration of the career of the individual concerned. It just seemed to me that that would be more informative, rather than editing the list down to the most recent six. Just a thought, and feel free to proceed as you wish. Accounting4Taste: talk 06:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, good idea. Thank you. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Very fast response, and thanks for making the change. In return I'll bear the six-film policy in mind when I'm assessing articles in terms of WP:PORNBIO, and thanks for bringing it to my attention.  Cheers -- Accounting4Taste: talk 06:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Quick question...does this article seem notable to you? It was made a few days ago, apparently by Jan Novak himself. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to butt in, but offhand, I would say he is notable by meeting the first specific criteria of notability for porn stars by virtue of the GayVN Award nomination and the Grabby win. Tabercil (talk) 06:38, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That's true...thanks for butting in. ;-) AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

(exdent) I didn't see this until later, sorry -- I agree with User:Tabercil about the awards. I also think that someone gets the credit for inventing the Bel Ami school of gay porn, and it might be this individual -- truly I have no idea, Jan Novak, William Higgins, whoever -- but that person would be responsible for a sub-genre and thus notable. Welcome back, and thanks for the cookie. Accounting4Taste: talk 20:23, 23 February 2008 (UTC) In doing a search for an image to see if Jan Novak passed WP:FUGLY, I came across Johan Volny who passes WP:HOTTIE. Just felt I should say.. lol - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 06:50, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * OMG, we finally agree on someone that is cute. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Quote of the day
In reference to gay porn movies: "[they are] a newer art form that is yet to be fully understood as a window into alternative cultures" - Benjiboi

1) new - nothing new about gay porn movies

2) art form - that's debateable 3) fully understood - i'm pretty sure we all understand them; we watch, J/O, and turn it off 4) window into alternative cultures - someone needs to clean the glass cause there's a spot or two; basically, i guess the implication is gay porn represents what gay guys are all about

retired
(i've returned...obviously)

Umm, you get back here! The Gay cabal does not allow retiring! - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 17:58, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I worked with you for the first time only yesterday, but I have been aware of your hard work and contributions in the past. I hope you can treat the next while as a Wiki-break and find the spirit of public service again, or whatever reason you had for giving your time here in the first place. Accounting4Taste: talk 18:55, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey APK, I sure hope this is temporary. I know things can be frustrating on here, and sometimes you need to take a break.  Even though you've only been here a short while, you've been very active and have a lot to contribute to the project.  Maybe after a break, you can focus on the things that really interest you and avoid those that don't.  Don't let it make you crazy! Hugs,  Aleta   (Sing)  20:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * HEY! Hey! hey..
 * Did you know WikiPages could echo?
 * Come back to us soon? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Yay!
Welcome back! Wanna? :P - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 00:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure...grab the stuff. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 00:35, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Woo woo! Thas what I'm talkin' bout! :] - &#10032; <strong style="letter-spacing:1px;font-family:Verdana">ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 00:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

On a side note, this video made me go tinkle all over myself the first time I watched it. I hope it brings each and every one of you little pieces of sunshine and razor blades in your life. I literally LOL every time I watch it. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 00:45, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back!
Welcome back, APK! Aleta  (Sing)  01:08, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Muchas gracias mi amiga bonita. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 01:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You're most welcome! :) (Now don't do that again! :P ) Aleta   (Sing)  01:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, welcome back, APK. I was afraid we would have to send out the search cats for you and haul you back. Feel better now? — Becksguy (talk) 16:02, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The doctors gave me some happy medicine for my Wikistress. I kid, I kid. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 16:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Question
Does my talk page need to be archived...or should I wait a while? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 22:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't worry about it. You could set it up with MiszaBot if you wanted to, with a 30 day timeframe.  But you could also just delete everything - it's all in the history of the page anyway :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

The Mail
The article was around the time of the Sydney Olympics. I can't find an archive on the Daily Mail website. It was written by a guest writer (possibly Peter Hitchens), and that may mean the Mail does not have copyright. FWIW, the Daily Mail cannot be considered a reliable source on LGBT issues, and I would doubt its quoted statistic for rapist sentencing. Its comparison of a maximum sentence for hate-speech with an average sentence for rape is obviously misleading. It is exceedingly rare for a maximum sentence to be given for a non-violent crime in England and Wales. The Mail's attitude to criminal justice could be reasonably accurately described as "hang 'em and flog 'em", It also has a long history of opposing equalities legislation, and of publishing highly POV and inflammatory articles about pretty much all minority groups (though they did abandon their support for Hitler with the outbreak of the Second World War).

As for freedom of speech - the traditions in Britain and the United States do differ considerably. In Britain we have developed a legal framework to deal with what could be described as "incitement to hatred" - which is rather a different thing from the reasoned expression of opposition or criticism. We already have offences of inciting racial hatred, and this has been extended to inciting religious hatred. The proposed legislation relating to sexuality aims broadly to extend similar measures to the incitement of hatred based on sexuality (though as I understand it religious groups are likely to have some degree of exemption, as they already do in relation to human rights law). In this context, I think it is interesting to compare the way in which British and American law differ in their approach to "private membership organizations". In the USA, such organizations are largely free to practice discrimination based on religion or sexuality (the Boy Scouts of America is a good example of this). In Britain, such discrimination is normally illegal, though there may be exemptions related to the primary religious purposes of an organization; for example, it is legal for a church to deny ordination to gay men if its doctrines require it, but that church cannot legally decline to employ gay men as e.g. teachers in its schools (many state schools in the UK are run by the Church of England or the Roman Catholic Church). Such schools would also be subject to the Human Rights Act, as they are operating as agents of the state, and so would be required to adhere to the convention principles as well as to all other applicable pubic law.

I do tend to agree with you about the comments which were the initial cause of the thread - I think they are distasteful and wrong, but as they stand not hate-speech. DuncanHill (talk) 13:03, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews
If you are really interested, I think I a better place to start on Wikinews is the Research Desk page I wrote: Go here. It's meant to be more inspiring as to what you can write about, and where you can put it. You're a good looking guy in that photo - I'm sure you can get your foot in the door to a lot of places. If I can help, let me know. I have an outstanding promise from Andrew Sullivan that I would be willing to give to you. -- David  Shankbone  05:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I read Andrew's blog religiously. I don't always agree with him (it's usually not a good sign to agree with someone on every issue), but I appreciate his views. Let me check out this link you inserted. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 05:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

My 'sweet'
(in regards to this conversation) APK, thanks for the sweet. Rest assured that I have not formed a bad impression - we just disagree, and probably not by as much as you think. I am a strong advocate of free speech, which is why I would not and did not ask that Aminz's comments be removed; instead, they should be challenged. However, free speech is not a limitless concept. Speech inciting both hatred and violence against any group is unacceptable, and deserves censure and (in serious cases) gaol. I didn't engage about the DM source because it was irrelevant to the discussion - extending sanctions against hate speech to include other minority groups is a reasonable action; that newspaper's ridiculous characterisation of the legislation was clearly illogical and was unworthy of response. Where we likely disagree more is over the seriousness of the comment "Being homosexual is bad also because the person uses human resources, a double negative point". I cannot see how this is not a manifestation of prejudice. In any event, discussion and debate - even robust debate, which is frowned on her per WP:CIVIL - are an essential part of a healthy and vibrant society. Having said that, I do feel the need to take issue with you on one point. In providing me with sweets, you have given me only half a meal. Where is the gorgeous piece of meat to have afterwards? I am feeling deprived. ;-) Jay*Jay (talk) 13:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha ha, I hope you enjoyed what I just left on your page. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 13:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Processed meat?! After sweets?  I don't think so.  After dinner meat should be natural - red in the centre and juicy.  Although, a two or more course after-sweets meal including some suitably-wrapped meat is good too. :) Jay*Jay (talk) 13:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * These innuendoes are corrupting my pure, preacher's kid mind! *cough* AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 13:46, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Pure? Well, maybe... but not that pure, methinks. As for innuendo, I have no idea what you mean - I'm just talking about an after sweets nibble on a piece of meat and possibly taking time to sit or lie down and relax.  What else would one do with after-dinner meats? :) Jay*Jay (talk) 14:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Jay*, I don't know you, but I like you. A lot. Can I join you? =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You two need Jesus. Might I suggest listening to this um, preacher? He touched my soul, among other places. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 15:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you all need more than Jesus, I think you all need Hattie Booker.  You all need to listen to this. -- David  Shankbone  15:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * "Evil, evil, evil!" - my favorite quote from that recording. APK was forced to go to this by his family. They teach that Falwell was too liberal and they even criticize Bob Jones University for not using the KJV version of the bible. Yes, I went there 4 years and live to tell the tale. It was like being part of a real-life version of Pleasantville. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 15:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think audio wiki is going to be the new horizon on this site, with audio samples of spoke articles, but also that demonstrate the concepts. Most of my interviews will be uploaded into audio format; they are so long, though, that I have to figure out some size issues.  But I think it's going to be a cool advancement for the project to  have the audio of the Wikinews interviews directly on their page, with the transcripts at Wikinews.  -- David  Shankbone  16:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 16:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

SatyrTN, by all means, jump in. With three of us, there may be reason to consider cooking meat after all. :P Jay*Jay (talk) 02:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

No email?
You don't have email enabled. Send me a note? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * How do I do that? AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * See the "my preferences" link at the top? Click it. - &#10032; <strong style="letter-spacing:1px;font-family:Verdana">ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 06:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Gracias. It's now enabled. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 06:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Orville Lloyd Douglas
Many thanks for the kind words. I've found the activity associated with this article and the promotion of Douglas' "Shades of Blackface" at A Mighty Heart to be really interesting. I should get out more. Cheers, Victoriagirl (talk) 01:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Username
Username, userpage, I love it! Keep up the good work. seicer |  talk  |  contribs  17:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I notice your user and talk pages have been vandalized many times. I'm jealous because obviously you're doing something right to piss off those vandals. So you keep up the good work as well. ;-) AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 17:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No prob. Let me know if you need any assistance! seicer  |  talk  |  contribs  19:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Block of IP vandal
I block IP vandals for one to three months for such actions and hateful words. We stick together. :-) Bearian (talk) 21:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Queers UNITE! lol Thank you. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 21:32, 27 February 2008 (UTC)