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Growth team newsletter #23


Welcome to the twenty-third newsletter from the Growth team!

Highlights

 * Mentorship: We released the new structured mentor list to all wikis. This change makes mentorship easier to setup, manage and use.
 * Positive reinforcement: An improved impact module is available for testing.



Positive reinforcement: an improved impact module to test
The goal of the Growth team is to encourage newcomers to try editing for the first time, and encourage them to keep editing. We want to increase newcomers' motivation by showing them how impactful their edits are.

Newcomers have access to an impact module; you can find yours at Special:Impact. The revised impact module provides new editors with more context about their impact. It will display the number of edits, the number of thanks received, the last time they edited, the number of consecutive days they edited, and the number of views for the articles they edited.

This module will soon be available at our pilot wikis starting December 1. You can already test this new module at Beta Wikipedia. For safety reasons, do not use your regular account and password at Beta wiki. Create a new, specific account for this wiki, with a different password.

Structured tasks: improvements based on patroller feedback
After the deployment of Structured tasks, we received feedback from various communities regarding how patrollers of recent changes were feeling overwhelmed by an increase in edits to check, and how some edits were poor quality or of poor relevance.

We made several improvements based on the feedback we received. Several points of improvement have already been addressed:
 * Patroller fatigue:
 * By default, newcomers can complete up to 25 "add a link" tasks and 25 "add an image" tasks per day. If patrollers are overburdened, each community can use Special:EditGrowthConfig to lower that limit.

The Positive Reinforcement project will also address some of the concerns around encouraging newcomers to progress to higher value edits. The Growth team will soon work on strategies geared at "Leveling up" newcomers so they progress from easy to more difficult tasks.
 * Quality of edits: what constitutes a "quality edit" is not a well defined concept. We initiated a discussion and summarized our findings. We also worked on the following improvements:
 * Add a Link
 * Underlinked articles are now prioritized, so it's less likely that newcomers are adding links to articles that are already have a lot of links.
 * The confidence score was increased, so suggestions are more likely to be accurate.
 * The default number of suggested links per article has been lowered to 3. This can be changed at Special:EditGrowthConfig. Communities can also exclude articles containing certain templates or categories from being suggested.
 * Add an Image
 * Lists will no longer receive "add an image" suggestions.
 * Disambiguation pages will no longer receive "add an image" suggestions.
 * We have many further improvements we plan to make to "add an image" in early 2023.

Recent changes

 * All Wikipedias now have the same onboarding experience. Previously, at a few wikis, 20% of new accounts didn't get the Growth features when they created their account. These 20% of new accounts were used as a control group, in order to know if the Growth features were changing newcomers' behavior. Experiments have shown that Growth features improve activation and retention, and as we want to provide the same onboarding experience at all Wikipedias, we have decided to remove the control groups. We will utilize control groups when testing new features, and German Wikipedia keeps a control group at their request.
 * The quality score for "add a link" suggestions will change. We will suggest less links for each article, but they will be more accurate. We will first deploy it at our pilot wikis, and then to all other wikis where this feature is available.
 * Growth's features FAQ has been updated and expanded. This page centralizes all the information about Growth features. We invite you to read it, and, if you can, to translate it.

News for mentors

 * All Wikipedias can now setup and manage a mentorship program in an easier way.
 * We changed the process to make it more reliable, easier to improve and easier to use.
 * Wikipedias where mentorship hasn't been enabled yet can turn mentorship on following a new process. When done, mentors can sign-up by visiting.
 * Wikipedias where the list of mentors already existed have been converted to the new system.
 * A new special page —  — now displays the list of mentors. This page can be transcluded on any other page. There are also new processes to signup as a mentor or to quit mentorship, and we improved community mentorship management.
 * The Mentor dashboard's "Your mentees" module will have a new footer, called "Recent changes by your mentees". This footer will include a link to Recent changes, where mentors can see only edits made by their own mentees.

Deployments

 * Add a link has been deployed to a 5th round of wikis.

Improving this newsletter
We plan to have a more regular newsletter, every two months. We also want to know if the current format suits you! Let us know what you like, what you like less and your suggestions of improvements: leave us a comment, in your preferred language.

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Clan mother
Asareel, thank you so much for your kind and thoughtful message. Please accept my apologies for my tardiness in replying as I was rather tired last night after a long night at work-the same is true tonight. I've see if I can make it to the library this weekend to find some sources that might be helpful. Best wishes and I hope all is well!--A.S. Brown (talk) 10:43, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

December roses
Thank you for spreading good spirits wherever I see your name on my watchlist! Anything you could do for Debussy? I thought of you when I took a pic of roses in December. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for adding there. Today, we sing for a Marian feast, I learned that Yvonne Ciannella died, the soprano who impressed me in my first night at the opera, and as she died in March, sadly no Main page reverence is possible, - at least she had a good DYK, at a time when opera singers were considered interesting. I'm proud today that Christiane Hörbiger made it to that corner, and happy that we celebrate the birthday of Jean Sibelius again. - I heard an excellent concert yesterday, by Tenebrae, and a short excerpt of them singing "Deo gracias" is also linked from my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:53, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Today was a day rich in music, with two new pictures, and also rich in WP:QAI contributions on the Main page: the TFA, 2 DYK and 2 RD with members as principal editors. The church pictured there (not by me, nice snow dust and tall evergreen) comes with memories, detailed on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Latest pics, snow even here. Today my talk has a DYK that was planned for 22 November, among the recent deaths the author of Duck, Death and the Tulip, and now a choir pic of "our" concert last Sunday, likely to become next year's lead image. Enjoy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:07, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Question from Sshippwreck1957 (02:53, 14 December 2022)
Thank you for helping mee. It is late here and my wife has dinner ready. I will get back to editing tomorrow. Thanks again, Stuart --Sshippwreck1957 (talk) 02:53, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Best of luck
Hi ARoseWolf, I over read on another user talk page your plans for the Winter and I found it so fascinating and wanted to wish you well during this upcoming period. Also, you talk about "rolling the r" in your name. I for the life of me can not do this and have tried everything. My daughter does it and rubs it in my face. I truly believe it might have something to do with genetics and have always wanted to do more research on it, like it is a physical characteristic like lobed ears and being able to curl your tongue. Cheers! Malerooster (talk) 17:35, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * , Thank you so much for your kind and thoughtful words. My daughter can roll r's but her father can't. She rubs it in his face too. Trust me, I do not get upset with those that simply say "Asareel" with no roll. It could be a genetic thing, I haven't ever really researched that. I grew up with a Papa that disallowed English being spoken in our home (English was a language of business only). I didn't attend public schools except for maybe one or two years. I was homeschooled by my Mama. Sometimes I didn't understand why because all of my siblings went to public schools but there were other circumstances and my parents chose to keep me from enduring those situations. I learned most everything I did from reading books. Countless hours of reading. I still do it today. I probably read three times as much as I write on Wikipedia. I do thank you so much for being a part of this community and reaching out to me. It has made my day. Keep practicing those r's. I believe you will get it eventually. The human spirit can be quite indomitable. -- A Rose Wolf  17:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Best wishes for the upcoming winter, and thanks for the kind words about me on Martin's talk page. Stay warm and cozy, and see you when you emerge from hibernation! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:56, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy Holidays text.png Hello ARoseWolf: Enjoy the holiday season&#32;and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, GenQuest  "scribble" 16:07, 22 December 2022 (UTC) Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message Hello ARoseWolf : Enjoy the holiday season&#32;and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, --A.S. Brown (talk) 04:13, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red January 2023
--Lajmmoore (talk) 18:04, 27 December 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

From Estariel
Hi ARoseWolf,

Thank you for leaving an encouraging message on my page. I actually did run into an issue recently, having a disagreement with an editor. You can see our discussion here:

Talk:List of highest-grossing film directors

Basically I noticed that the information that they sourced is not accurate, and the source page has problems with how its tallying data and also contains some obviously wrong information. However the other user doesn't want to change anything and considers making these adjustments "original research". I don't know if I should just go ahead and make the edits myself but some of the data points on the page are just categorically wrong at this point.

Any advice would be appreciated, thank you in advance. Estariel (talk) 21:01, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Actually, problem has been solved after some more back and forth. Cheers. Estariel (talk) 05:11, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

2023
colours to move forward! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:09, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

today, I point at two singers I whose performance I enjoyed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:58, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

today, less pointy: a composition from a remarkable 2022 concert, the sad record of four articles about people who recently died on the Main page at the same time, and singing for Epiphany --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:30, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Today's featured article is Osbert Parsley, not by me but Amitchell125 where, including the beginning of my songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:22, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm on vacation, - click on songs! I tell my own stories now, instead of relying on DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Today's topic Elisabeth Waterhouse. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:18, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm happy about the pictured DYK you made with SusunW! Mine today, Elena Manistina, or: why Tchaikovsky's The Enchantress isn't on the Main page, leaves me rather unhappy, and that's my last woman on DYK, - life is too short. Under the recent deaths, I have Clytus Gottwald for whom I made a DYK in 2012. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:02, 27 January 2023 (UTC) back from vacation - Melitta Muszely died, RIP --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Question from BaltimoreHistorian (15:36, 8 January 2023)
Hey! How do I create a page for someone who has the same name as an existing Wikipedia page? And do you know if I can change the name of a page in my Sandbox after I started it? Thank you! --BaltimoreHistorian (talk) 15:36, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Let's say that the existing page is about a tennis player named "Jane Doe", and you are creating a new page about a historian also named "Jane Doe". You can call your new page "Jane Doe (historian)". Putting a descriptor in parentheses in the pagename is the standard way of doing it. If you want to be even more elegant, you can use Template:About at the top of both pages. (You can see an example of all of this at Anne Hathaway and Anne Hathaway (wife of Shakespeare).)
 * Changing the name of the page in your Sandbox is done by "moving" it, and there's a step-by-step guide at Help:Move. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:54, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! BaltimoreHistorian (talk) 14:51, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * See above, thanks from @BaltimoreHistorian. Let me add my own to that. You are amazing, Tryp! Thank you. -- A Rose Wolf  16:39, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

George Pell
There are some really damning issues with this case. One especially damning fact with child sex abuse cases is that there are no statutes of limitations. The thing that was really problematic about the statutes of limitations on this case was that it was run as a historical child sexual abuse case. The overwhelming and damning issue is the time between when the original incidents were alleged to have occurred and the amount of time it took for the cases to precede. There was a matter held in court in Ballarat. The issue with the case is clear as daylight that one of the alleged victims was already dead, that provided several issues with evidence and examination.

It also highlights a secondary issue about the case about how long in general it took to proceed. The issue as per always wasn't the strength of the case. A prosecutor rarely brings a matter to court unless there is a significant possibility that they will win that particular case. The real issue I raised above was the amount of time that had expired between when the alleged events occurred and the actual timing of the trial. Had some of the witnesses been alive, and the case been held at an earlier point where the evidence was fresh, and less time had expired in general, there may well have been an entirely different outcome. 120.22.208.169 (talk) 16:47, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for coming to my Talk page. Wikipedia policy does not allow us to add information to an article unless it is supported by reliable independent secondary sources. We are to take care in what we present to ensure it is actually supported. No original research is allowed. Wikipedia does not allow for "what if's". Adding derogatory terms in the article in Wikivoice without a supported citation to multiple reliable secondary sources is a clear violation of policy. Everything stated above is your conjecture of what occurred or may have occurred based on your following of this case and your own investigative determinations. Therefore the edit was reverted and should not be re-added under any circumstances until the criteria for inclusion is met. -- A Rose Wolf  16:57, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @ARoseWolf The IP continues to reinstate their edits. An Edit War is active, as the user has violated 3RR. Just wanted to let you know. The Great Wikipedian (talk) 17:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, my discussion above is not in relation to the edits that are being edit warred over, specifically, but in which the editor added "child molester" to the article. While it appears George Pell was initially convicted that conviction was reversed by a higher court meaning he was acquitted therefore the inclusion of the term in Wikivoice subjects Wikipedia to potential harm. Protection of the encyclopedia is paramount. -- A Rose  Wolf  17:17, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank You. The Great Wikipedian (talk) 17:19, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Well, THAT all blew up quickly... GenQuest "scribble" 20:46, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * , ended almost as quickly. Thankfully. -- A Rose Wolf  20:48, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Mike Curb
content was removed as it is opinionated and not substantiated. There was also, not information on mike curb from 1973-2021. I have added content. Benson Curb (talk) 20:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * based on your account name, please see WP:COI. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:30, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I would also encourage you to read and understand our policies on independent reliable sources WP:RS, verifiability WP:V and original research WP:OR besides what Tryp has directed you to for potential COI concerns. -- A Rose Wolf  20:33, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Would love to have someone up-date if I am a conflict. Just trying to have accurate information on the site. Benson Curb (talk) 20:35, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The proper way going forward is to suggest any changes on the articles talk page. You will see that tab at the top of the page on the article. You will need to provide reliable independent secondary sources for anything you want added to the article. It can't be anything you simply know due to any link you have with the subject. That is original research. -- A Rose Wolf  20:38, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * , I have rolled back the edits for now because they were improperly sourced which left them unreferenced. We can't have unsourced content added to the article. Please go to the talk page (linked here) and follow the instructions found at WP:COI on how to approach asking for content to be added to the article. -- A Rose Wolf  20:46, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * there are two people that were making an up date. WE will gather information and references.  The mike curb page is missing 50 years of information though.Someone will follow the guidelines to up-date. Benson Curb (talk) 21:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * For anyone keeping up, a new IP has arrived on this article and is trying to "update" information using no sources. -- A Rose Wolf  21:06, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Repeated IP vandal
Just figured I'd tell you that the repeated vandal on various IPs we just encountered is an LTA, so no need to warn them. Just report on sight. You can ask ScottishFinnishRadish for more info since they seem to have encountered them first. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:33, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I picked up on that after looking at the article history, thanks, Blaze. :-) -- A Rose Wolf  20:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem! I don't even know how the first article i noticed them on got on my watchlist... ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:44, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I was just patrolling but when I noticed they kept changing IP's I figured it was a LTA so I looked at the article history and sure enough... I asked for page protection but may not have done it correctly. I don't usually make it that far. -- A Rose Wolf  20:50, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Nope you've done it right (as evidenced by the page being protected now). I typically use RedWarn along with Twinkle since RedWarn allows me to request an article to be protected which Twinkle (oddly) does not seem to have. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:55, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I have page request ability through Twinkle. I thought about using Red Warn but figured I'd learn Twinkle good first. -- A Rose Wolf  20:57, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Huh. Alright then, guess I Just don't use Twinkle enough for that. Tbh I don't even know how it's possible for someone to change IPs that quickly. Like, I know VPNs exist but they still take about a minute to actually connect you to the server. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:59, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Multiple devices connected at the same time maybe? -- A Rose Wolf  21:00, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe. I don't fully understand how IP addressing works so knowing how it works would probably help me understand how they change IPs that fast. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 21:02, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with this particular case, but one way that IP addresses can change rapidly is through an automatic process called "dynamic IP addresses", which is explained at IP address. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * IT's definitely not a dynamic IP. Multiple IPs from different ranges as well as switching between IPv4 and IPv6. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 21:10, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, then I agree that it's not that. Strange indeed. Maybe a mobile device being used while moving from place to place? --Tryptofish (talk) 21:16, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Question from Vmkverma (03:52, 14 January 2023)
Wanted to edit the language from English to Hindi. --Vmkverma (talk) 03:52, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Winter
Just stopping by to say hi, and that I hope all is well in your neck of the woods. I thought this kitty, peering through green grass, could be a reminder that, eventually, warmer weather will return. Rosiestep (talk) 19:40, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Laura Bergt
-- RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 27 January 2023 (UTC) GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:27, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Friday
Happy Friday! Thought of you when I decided on today's cat. It's a sunny morning here; see you after the spring thaw. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:49, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red in February 2023
--Lajmmoore (talk) 07:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Growth team newsletter #24
Welcome to the twenty-fourth newsletter from the Growth team!

Newcomer experience projects
The Growth team partnered with other WMF teams to conduct several experiments around increasing account creation and new editor retention. Results from four of these experiments are now available:


 * Thank you pages & banners - Encourage donors to create accounts through thank you pages and banners.
 * Marketing experiment - Run ads on-wiki and off-wiki to see how this impacts account activation.
 * "Add an image" GLAM events - Host GLAM events that focus on using the "Add an image" tool.
 * Welcome emails - Experiment sending welcome emails to newly created accounts.

Newcomer tasks

 * Several communities suggested improving "add a link", by suggesting underlinked articles first. We released this change to Growth pilot wikis. We will review the data and collect feedback before considering releasing it to more wikis.
 * The deployment of the "add a link" to all Wikipedias is still in progress. Suggested links use a prediction model, which has to be trained. The deployments will resume after we finish training all models.

Mentorship

 * When someone wants to signup as a mentor, they are now informed if they don't meet the defined criteria.
 * Workshop hosts asked us to have workshop attendees assigned to them. They can soon use a custom URL parameter. This way, workshop hosts will continue mentoring the event's attendees after the workshop. It will be available in February.
 * Have you considered to help new editors on your wiki, by signing up to be a Mentor?
 * Please visit Special:MentorDashboard to check on the conditions to be a mentor, and sign up.
 * If your wiki does not have Mentorship enabled, consider setting it up. The Growth team can provide advice and assist as needed. Please ping Trizek (WMF) for assistance.

Other news

 * In Special:SpecialPages, Growth experiments now have their own section.
 * This newsletter will have a new publication period, 6 times a year: January, March, May, July, September, November.

Translations

 * Newsletter translation: We are looking for translators for this newsletter. If you are interested and have the needed English language proficiency to assist, then please add your name to this list. You will receive an invite on your talk page to translate the newsletter when it is ready.
 * Interface translation: You can also help by translating the interface, or reviewing translations to make them more inclusive. Interface translations are hosted at translatewiki.net.

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Question from TheoFraser1 (10:29, 2 February 2023)
Hello, my name is Theo and I am currently working for the venture capital firm Atomico. I've set up this account to make some changes to the Atomico wikipedia page, and to our CEO's wikipedia page (Niklas Zennström), as much of the information is now outdated. I only wish to make edits to the factual information and have no interest in changing any of the language. I just wanted to declare this conflict of interest before making any edits and inform you of my intentions. If you could let me know that I am okay to proceed that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. --TheoFraser1 (talk) 10:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi . Please see the informational message I left on your talk page and follow the instructions at Paid-contribution disclosure. ––FormalDude (talk)  10:37, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Question from Almeida Fernando (18:48, 5 February 2023)
This is just a quick note to say hello! It is a lovely name, Asareel. It is amazing how many edits you have made since joining Wikipedia in 2020. I'm sure I'll learn a lot from you. --Almeida Fernando (talk) 18:48, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * , Hello and sorry for the delay. Thank you for such a compliment about my name. It is so very nice to meet you. When I started on Wikipedia I began writing articles on a topic very close to me, you could say I was a SPA of sorts. I fell in love with this community and though I haven't written much new material since I have found more use out of helping others to write and doing work copyediting and patrolling for vandalism. If the right idea comes along I will get back into writing new articles. I would be so glad to assist you in any way that I may and I look forward to learning from you too. Remember that discussion is how consensus is found so don't forget to discuss any issues you may have with others in the community. -- A Rose Wolf  19:05, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, Asareel. I'll follow your guidance. I'm passionate about books so maybe one of these days, I'll try to find a notable book and write an article about it. Once again, great to have someone I can ask and get guidance from. Almeida Fernando (talk) 12:58, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikimedia US Mountain West online meeting
Wikipedia users in the United States Mountain West and High Plains will hold an online meeting from 8:00 to 9:00 PM MST, Tuesday evening, February 14, 2023, at meet.google.com/kfu-topq-zkd. Anyone interested in the history, articles, or photographs of our region is encouraged to attend. If you don't wish to receive these invitations any more, please remove your username from the Meetup/US Mountain West/Invitation list. Thanks.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:42, 7 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh, oh! Sounds like the mountain geeks don't have any dates for Valentine's Day.  Just saying...   GenQuest  "scribble" 16:41, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * , On my birthday too. :) -- A Rose Wolf  15:35, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

February songs
yesterday's cantata, 300 years later --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

... and today a book, Alte Liebe, for Valentine --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

... and today the regional festival - DYK of 13 years ago ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:05, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

My story on 24 February is about Artemy Vedel (TFA by Amitchell235), and I made a suggestion for more peace, - what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:40, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

today: two women whose birthday we celebrate today, 99 and 90! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:22, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Question from Jonfitzgerald82 (12:25, 10 February 2023)
My page for Devine Evans keeps getting rejected for publication. They say I need more references but the page is very similar to Adam Blackstone page. I would like your advice. --Jonfitzgerald82 (talk) 12:25, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * , Devine may very well be notable but the three sources you have for your draft are Tv Guide, a personal website and Billboard. That's not convincing. We need significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Significant coverage is often very subjective but I always tend to look at it in saying if they are a focus of the source then they are mostly likely being significantly covered. Be careful using primary, meaning closely linked to the subject of the article you writing about, sources. They can not be used in proving notability. With the AfC process the reviewer is only evaluating the draft based on the sources presented. You may find articles included in Wikipedia that are poorly or inadequately sourced but that should never be the rule and those articles will eventually be contested and possibly deleted. Keep working on it and find better sources to prove notability. -- A Rose Wolf  14:32, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

No Question from Bought the Store (01:17, 15 February 2023)
thanx! I am just looking around. Maybe I will be able to contribute to an article someday... --Bought the Store (talk) 01:17, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
 * , let me know if there is anything further I can do to assist you and welcome! -- A Rose Wolf  19:06, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from Our2050World (21:53, 17 February 2023)
Hello, it’s great to have a mentor! I am hoping to introduce a split of net zero from the carbon neutrality article. I am building up the material to create a sandbox for net zero and will look to propose the changes that need to be made to the CN article for it to remain. Do you have any top tips on how to go about doing this most effectively? Thank you! --Our2050World (talk) 21:53, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
 * , I will leave some tips on your talk page. As for splitting articles, let me know when you have it complete and I'll take a look. I love to read anyway. Welcome and I'm glad to be your mentor. :) -- A Rose Wolf  19:09, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red March 2023
--Lajmmoore (talk) 12:55, 26 February 2023 (UTC) via MassMessaging

how to edit some pages about political figures
Dear mentor

hi i am haithm. from Sana'a [sˤɑnʕaːʔ], i am researching on enriching wikipedia contents in arabic language, specially about public/political figures, in arab countries and in my country that never mentioned, which they are lots of them, they change the history of arab world, or my country, and most of people knowthem. but because of they lived in tens of decades ago. no articles, press, videos, or blogs, ever mentioned them by may be we can found old newspaper mentioned them, or a book published by them. a vintage personal portraits show him.

My question

how can i publish an article that is comply with wikipedia policies of people change a history, and mosly known by many. but no urls or articles or press talked about them?

is there any other validity proofs in order to publish a valid page or an article in wikipedia?

please accepet my appreciats in advance :-) Haithmgarallah (talk) 00:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I apologize for the delayed response, . Weather and responsibilities outside Wikipedia are the cause for the delay. Let me begin by welcoming you to Wikipedia and to state that I hope you will be able to find your niche here. I also wanted to state that I believe it is wonderful that you followed your passions here to Wikipedia and want to attempt to translate those to improving the encyclopedia. I will attempt to help you avoid many of the pitfalls that new editors experience on their journey here. Let's begin.


 * I am not an expert on the Arabic language but I am a student of language, both spoken and unspoken. That being said I do want t caution you that dealing with politics is a difficult path here on the encyclopedia, especially local or regional politics. It is especially important that you back up every claim or statement with reliable sources.


 * That brings me to the next subject, sourcing. Sources are not required to be online and you may use old newspapers but those newspapers must be available somewhere for review, whether in a library or excerpts from a book. There must be a means, even if it is not easily accessible or is behind a pay wall, of verification. In short, Wikipedia does not care what most people know. It does not matter what you or I know, unless it is stated, confirmed and verified in reliable sources.


 * I know it can be difficult to understand how or why the encyclopedia operates this way, especially when we know something is true. While there may be absolute truths out there remember that at one time in recorded human history very smart people believed the earth was flat. What we see as truth may not be so clearly evident to others and it may simply be perspective that alters how we view something. This is why Wikipedia requires independent reliable sources. We are not saying that what is written is absolute truth. We are saying that what is written is what reliable sources say is the truth.


 * Nothing will ever be able to take away the accomplishments of so many of these historical figures within the Arab world but without those reliable sources giving it significant coverage it can not be included on Wikipedia. The only valid proof allowed is the reliable source itself.


 * I very much appreciate you being here and a part of this community. Thank you for bringing your question to my talk page. I will be leaving a welcome message on yours with helpful tips and links to important information about editing. -- A Rose Wolf  15:07, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

March stories
I remember a 2016 DYK on IWD, Hana Blažíková, a Czech who sang German music in Japan. Girls and women sang how Bach arranged Pergolesi's Stabat Mater to a new text paraphrasing Psalm 51, last Sunday. - I loved improving Mary Bauermeister - on the Main page until yesterday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Marek Kopelent died, and it's Saint Patrick's Day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

today we remember the 150th birthday of Max Reger, who saw the horrors of a world war right when it began in 1914, while others were still in high patriotic moods --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

sharing impressions from vacation on Madeira 20-30 March, pics now at 24 Mar from the peaks --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:22, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from Macfeegles (05:36, 9 March 2023)
Hello, new to editing, so hope you can help. I have been trying to upload an image, originally created in xcel, then followed the instructions about how to prepare it, but when I finally went through the process of adding it to WP, it just comes back and says NO, but no hints of why. At a loss ... --Macfeegles (talk) 05:36, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I honestly can not directly answer your question so I have posted it to the Teahouse where I am a host and where very knowledgeable editors volunteer their time to answer questions. I feel this is the best place to ask. I have pinged you there. I will also leave a welcome message and some helpful tips for you on your talk page. Please do not hesitate to ask further questions should you have them. If I do not know the answer then I will try to get the answer for you. -- A Rose  Wolf  13:24, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from Sonofman23 (10:51, 9 March 2023)
Thank you. I’ve used Wikipedia often as a resource and would like to contribute my studies and interests in to pages.

What are the most effective learning tools and resources that would allow me to do so in the proper formatting with minimal effort. I want to ensure when i publish I take great care to respect the efforts of all those who’ve complied such a beautiful living wiki --Sonofman23 (talk) 10:51, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * By doing things like grammar and spellcheck. Off to a roaring start! Sonofman23 (talk) 10:53, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Topics for the curious minded
As a preface, I am a very blunt thinker and talker. I’m open to debate and criticism of mine or others works because right and wrong doesn’t equate in subjects I dig in to and ask questions about. They are honest in their effort to explore a thought, question, topic or subject to its most objectively truthful end, regardless of popular opinion ot bias or the collective consciousness of the moment. That said I am not one to make a habit of using a platform in a manner for which it is unintended. Ghandi has rightly judged that “even in a minority of one, the truth is the truth.” What is wikipedias general stance on a research page surrounding topics that could be considered sensitive if presented in a neutral and informative format with links for back-up etc? Sonofman23 (talk) 10:59, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * , the world is full of philosophers and thinkers. In regards to Wikipedia, "truth" is believed to be in the eye of the beholder and therefore is not as important as accuracy to sources. We report what sources say in a neutral way, not meaning that every article is neutral in its content. We do not create a false sense of balance. If the coverage of a notable subject is overwhelmingly negative then how could the content within Wikipedia's article on that subject not be equally negative if reported accurately. We do not project our own thoughts into articles though you will see this often displayed on talk pages and in discussions so long as it doesn't violate a policy. We are expected to edit articles dispassionately even though we may be very passionate about the subjects we edit. -- A Rose Wolf  15:57, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from Muhusin tech tv (17:21, 16 March 2023)
hello --Muhusin tech tv (talk) 17:21, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, is there something I can assist you with? -- A Rose Wolf  19:20, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

So happy...
... that you're back. Rosiestep (talk) 00:49, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Shawnee, Cheraw, new accts, & IPs
and

Now that the semi-protects have expired on a few of these pages it seems we will now be dealing with the former IPs in new incarnations as these two accounts. Almost definitely one was created to sock for the other (as one of the first edits of Hidgggf was a test edit made to the talk page of the other ).

They still don't use sources, just like when they edited as IPs, and other than malformed edit requests to article talk pages when they were semiprotected, have not made any talk page comments in discussion of their edits. Where do we go from here? Do we ask for another round of semi-protects, and expand to other articles such as Mohawk people and Banda Oriental, which they have now expanded their attention to? Do we ask for blocks? They seem well meaning enough, I think, they just refuse to abide by WP:RS, WP:CITE, WP:VERIFY and discuss at talk.

But four months of reverting nearly identical uncited additions is reaching the "enough is enough" territory. Thoughts?  He  iro  14:14, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * , I agree though I don't know what the answer is other than staying vigilant. I noticed Truong made just enough edits to possibly get autoconfirmed so they could make edits to the article if it is protected. It might be worth opening a SPI but is there enough evidence to go on to prove anything? I don't know and I'm not inclined to assume anything without clear evidence or make those assumptions public even if I did. AGF and all that. -- A Rose Wolf  11:16, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That was pretty much what I thought as well, I was just hoping maybe you had some other ideas that weren't occuring to me, lol. At first I was thinking an SPI might help, but they only used the Hidgggf acct for a few days and have consistently used the other since. On behavioral, articles edited, and the cross acct talk page editing alone I think it passes duck. But I get the feeling the most that would happen with a filing is that it would be blocked as a sock and they'd get told to stick to the one acct. It might be better to leave it alone for now, and if they switch back to it in future it would be grounds for an SPI filing. If they do another round of uncited additions, we should probably do some explicit talk page explanations of why their edits aren't working. And then ask for block if they continue to not respond. Communication is required. Cheers,  He  iro  12:08, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * , Agreed. Every attempt should be made to communicate. -- A Rose Wolf  13:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red April 2023
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Question from Luanda lozano (19:12, 30 March 2023)
I am an artist and would like to have a page with my bio and credentials --Luanda lozano (talk) 19:12, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * , unfortunately, that is not what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. When you become famous as an artist, someone will write an article here about you. In the meantime, Wikipedia is not a promotional tool. Hope that helps, GenQuest  "scribble" 12:45, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Growth team newsletter #25
Welcome to the twenty-fifth newsletter from the Growth team! Help with translations

Celebrations
Leveling up release


 * We released Leveling up features to our pilot wikis on March 22 for an initial A/B test.
 * In this test, we use post-edit dialogs (pop-ups shown after publishing an edit) and notifications to encourage new editors to try new types of newcomer-friendly suggested edits.
 * We are closely monitoring the short term impact of this feature as well as the longer term effect on newcomer productivity and retention. If the experiment shows positive results, we will release this feature to more wikis.

5,000+ images added via the newcomer task in February


 * In February 2023, 5,035 images were added via the newcomer “add an image” feature (on all wikis where available); 155 were reverted.
 * Since the feature “add an image” was launched: 36,803 images have been added; 2,957 images were reverted.

Recent changes

 * Add a link
 * Community Ambassadors completed an initial evaluation that confirmed that prioritizing underlinked articles resulted in better article suggestions. We then evaluated the change on Growth pilot wikis, and results suggest that more newcomers are successfully completing the task and experiencing fewer reverts. We have now deployed the new prioritization model to all wikis with "add a link" enabled.
 * We continue the deployment of "add a link" to more wikis. These changes are regularly announced in Tech News. To know if newcomers at your wiki have access to this feature, please visit your Homepage.
 * The Impact module was deployed on our pilot wikis, where we conducted an A/B test. We published initial findings, and a data scientist is now completing experiment analysis.
 * Donor Thank you page experiment – Donors land on a “thank you” page after donation, and that landing page now includes a call to action to try editing: Example Thank you page in French. This promising feature is tested at several Wikipedias.
 * Growth features are now the default experience on both test.wikipedia.org and test2.wikipedia.org. You can test our features there.

Upcoming work

 * Add an image – We plan to offer section-level image suggestions as a structured task for newcomers.
 * We are starting design work.
 * Growth team Ambassadors helped with an initial evaluation of these section-level image suggestions.
 * We will start a community consultation in which we share initial ideas and designs soon.
 * IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation – We will support this project for all Growth Team maintained products and extensions that may be affected by IP Masking.

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April songs
My story today is about the Alchymic Quartet, - I went away from DYK but it's the last one from last year. - The songs are about vacation, continued. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:32, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I loved to see Marian Anderson and her story of protest against discrimination by singing on Easter Sunday 9 April 1939 on the Main page yesterday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

My story today, Messiah (Handel), was my first dip into the FA ocean, thanks to great colleagues. - a few pics added, one day missing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for article improvements in April! - Today is the 80th birthday of John Eliot Gardiner. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Question from Getmekrishna (06:47, 6 April 2023)
Hello --Getmekrishna (talk) 06:47, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * , greetings, is there something I can help you with? -- A Rose Wolf  13:37, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, I am a new user. I have created a content in sandbox today .How can I publish it ? Getmekrishna (talk) 18:43, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I have added a draft template to your sandbox which has a button to submit it for review. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 18:56, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Blaze,
 * How I can I change my draft Title? Now it is showing my user name . Getmekrishna (talk) 02:26, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I can just move it to Draft space which would've been done by a reviewer anyway. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 02:29, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Just submit to for review if you think it's ready as that will give me a button to move it to draftspace under the right title. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 02:31, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Question from LokenAkhanteros (23:53, 10 April 2023)
Hey, I ran into some copyright issues with a photo I uploaded to Wikimedia. I'm trying to contact the copyright holder, but I'm new to the process and I want to make sure that I give them the right information to make sure that the query is handled appropriately. Is there any way you could proofread the email I'm sending them? --LokenAkhanteros (talk) 23:53, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * , so long as it does not contain personal information of either yourself or the copyright holder you may post what you wish to send them here and let myself or possibly one of my Talk page watchers to proofread it and offer advice. -- A Rose Wolf  15:37, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Native American article
Hi ARoseWolf, I hope you are well. I am undertaking an article on White Antelope, a Cheyenne chief in the 1800s, perhaps best known for his death song at the Sand Creek massacre: "nothing lives long . . . only the earth and mountains". I know the Cheyenne are very different from the Cherokee, but I thought you might be able to catch some of the mistakes I will no doubt make. This is a very sad article to write, and I want to get the tone and coverage right. I was wondering if you would be interested in offering some feedback on the article once I finish the draft? Let me know, and no worries if not Eddie891 Talk Work 02:10, 15 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I've drafted it at User:Eddie891/White Antelope Eddie891 Talk Work 13:44, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * , I apologize for the delayed response. You mentioned Cherokee in the article but shouldn't be about the Cheyenne? "Relations between the Cherokee and white Americans living on the Great Plains declined during the 1860s, as many Cherokee refused to move to the reservation and instead attempted to remain on their traditional buffalo hunting lands. With the outbreak of the American Civil War in 1861, more soldiers were stained in Colorado. In 1864, John Chivington led the First Regiment of Colorado Volunteers began killing, according to historian Stan Hoig, any and all Cheyenne they came upon, ostensibly as a form of retaliation for reported theft of livestock. Several Cherokee settlements were completely destroyed." -- A Rose Wolf  14:21, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You're completely right-- I've replaced those four. *facepalming* this is why I should write when more fully awake. I was reading about the Cherokee right before writing that section, I think, and my brain just stopped working. Apologies. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:27, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * , You don't have to apologize, it's completely understandable and why this being a community driven project is so beautiful. I do make a practice not to edit articles myself when other editors are actively editing unless there is a process by which each editor knows the other is currently editing. @GenQuest and I did this on the article Historic Cherokee settlements and its just great practice in etiquette so I will continue looking over the article and if I see minor grammatical or punctuation issues I may do those but for bigger edits I will just put them here and let you make the edits. -- A Rose Wolf  14:36, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Question from Gertrud2214 (09:56, 26 April 2023)
Hi Azareel, I want to make substantial edits and additions to a Wikipedia article about my father, Klaus Werner Wedell, who died recently. The current Wikipedia entry is very sketchy, contains multiple inaccuracies, and the headings are confused - eg 'career' contains info about his early life and is followed by a heading 'work'. I've prepared a section on Klaus's early life, citing publicly verifiable independent sources. What should I do now? - is the best thing to make the edits on Wikipedia directly, or send it to you to check that we've understood the Wikipedia citations policy correctly? Thanks! Gertrud2214 --Gertrud2214 (talk) 09:56, 26 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I should add - I've prepared the section on Klaus's early life to start off with, to make sure that we're doing the citations right. I've also prepared a section for Wikipedia entitled 'career' - editing and adding to what is already there - and a section entitled 'key ideas' (he had a career as an educational psychologist spanning 50 years).  If you have any advice on the appropriateness of these headings, please let me know.  Thanks! Gertrud2214 (talk) 10:02, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red May 2023
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Wikimedia US Mountain West online meeting 05/09/2023
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About your userpage
Okay, this is a really small thing but your userpage is so pretty and easy on the eyes =w= EastBlowingGale (talk) 20:29, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree! - I had a good story on coronation day: a Te Deum we sang that day. And the following day we sang it for the composer ;) - And today we remember a composer who created music especially for us! -- (oops forgot to sign 9 May) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:11, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * more pleasant music - just heard! - if you click on songs - did you know a string quartet with two cellos? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:08, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

I think the same! The words you've written are beautiful too – would you mind if I quoted you on my userpage (specifically, "Our goal and every Wikipedian's goal should be to leave this encyclopedia more improved, through civil collaboration, than when we came here. Building the community aids us in those efforts")? Perfect4th (talk) 08:46, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * , I'm honored you would consider that. Anything I put on my user page is free to reuse. A lot of it is borrowed from other user's or experiences I've had in life that I reflect on. -- A Rose Wolf  13:07, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

See this
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America. Doug Weller talk 17:37, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * , I thought about just responding to your email. I truly appreciate you keeping me informed as it could be long periods of time before I am able to get on here.
 * I do not want to turn this into a forum of grievances or a discussion about behaviors, the merit of arguments or even one where solutions are proposed. I will however leave you and anyone looking at this with my feelings concerning this and other debates on Indigenous topics.
 * Every discussion is like fighting a war, with both those on the project and those outside the project. I refuse to fight any further. When discussion began on Talk:Andrew Jackson concerning an AfC to change wording in the lead I stood with others. As differing opinions changed the flow and direction of the discussion and a consensus was becoming less and less of a sure thing all of these others left the discussion and I found myself almost standing alone for change. It was as if they realized they weren't going to get everything they wanted so they just stopped. I persevered because some change is better than no change. The revisit of FA/GA status of the article was the catalyst to operate with to see those changes come to pass. I refused to edit the article myself and allowed the process to work itself out through collaboration with others on the talk page and it was a great success. In the end, it isn't perfect but did any of those others care? Nope. All there is are complaints about its failures and dismissal of the countless hours spent in discussion to get some change brought about. News articles written that disparage and dismiss the progress made and only highlight what is perceived to still be missing.
 * Then there was the discussion on Talk:Trail of Tears regarding adding the term "genocide" (placed in parenthesis to emphasize the term) within the infobox. I was not objectionable to the addition of the term, in fact I support it 100%. I did, perhaps out of exhaustion from the Andrew Jackson discussion that had basically wound down by that point and from the continued discussion on that talk page, make the suggestion to include "cultural genocide" if "genocide" wasn't agreeable. An edit war ensued between multiple editors who battled with words through edit summary. I started a new section calling for civility and an end to the edit war. Instead of appreciation for the call to civility it instead gets implied I am trying to own the article and that my actions may inhibit editors from making edits to the article. As I explained my purpose it was ignored completely and then, in this section that had nothing to do with the "genocide" topic, my desire for some change to the article becomes a reason to attack my attempt as irrelevant, dismissive of the deaths of my ancestors and wholly unfounded. Mind you, there is a section in the article itself in which Indigenous academics discussed and put forward the term "cultural and physical genocide" in their writings. I was attempting to find compromise to affect some change in a more balanced direction, if the other did not find consensus, that was met by attacks and then a denial of intent by those involved. I admit that tone is sometimes lost in text but a pattern of text can offer a person the ability to detect tone.
 * This, among other reasons, is why I will not participate in any discussions related to Indigenous topics going forward for the foreseeable future. I sincerely wish nothing but the best to those who try and I have nothing but the upmost respect for everyone commenting on the project page about changes that are needed. There are heroes among them standing up against injustice that I admire and respect greatly. -- A Rose Wolf  18:58, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Whew, what an unpleasant experience. Sorry that happened to you. Have you seen the Adrienne Mayor video I added to the Wikiproject talk page? Doug Weller  talk 20:30, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * , I have not watched the video but I will. Again, it was unpleasant from my perspective and thus my need to back off from those topics at this time. I do not want to engage with the other editors or worsen the issues either of us experienced in that discussion. My point for being on Wikipedia is not to cause or be subject to additional stresses though some are expected. I admire the courage of many to speak up and share their perspectives and I would never want to dismiss them or their experiences nor do I want to even remotely suggest it as irrelevant. The experiences of others along with my own guide me on my daily journey and each experience is highly regarded and respected as relevant. I truly and genuinely appreciate every perspective. I also fiercely defend the relevance of my own in discussion but can allow for the fact that my emotional state within any given moment can affect my that perspective. I should be willing to listen more, a challenge my Papa gave me when I was much younger and I still sometimes fail at. -- A Rose Wolf  20:42, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It can be difficult. Anyway, I think you'll enjoy the video. She's great. Doug Weller  talk 07:04, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject Women in Green June 2023 Good Article Editathon notification
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Running from June 1 to 30, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) editathon event – another Wildcard Edition! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to any and all women and women's works during the event period. Want to improve an article about a Bollywood actress? Go for it. A pioneering female climate scientist? Absolutely. An award-winning book or film by a woman? Yes! GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to receive a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

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About accusations and aspersions on ANI
Hi, A RoseWolf. I was a little surprised to see your response to on ANI. You advised people who think the user is a sock to open an SPI "rather than make accusations and cast aspersions". Opening an SPI is good advice, but you appear to not have noticed the mass of accusations, aspersions, assumptions of bad faith, and personal attacks coming from Bijou1995, mostly against a named user, just above your post. I've quoted some of them here, and also warned Bijou1995 on their page. You're of course a pretty experienced editor, so I wouldn't have expected you to ignore their bad behaviour and merely commiserate with them about the vendetta they think another editor has, and about their good heart. Are you sure you're on the side of the angels here? Bishonen &#124; tålk 15:50, 27 May 2023 (UTC).
 * I looked at it, and it does look like a mistake on ARoseWolf's part. On the other hand, it looks like a mistake made with good intentions. I tried reading the OP superficially, treating it as tl;dr, and it superficially comes across like an inexperienced and somewhat inept user who has hurt feelings – although if I then read it the way I normally would read such a thing in a dispute, it raises numerous red flags for me. ARoseWolf, I think if you take a second look, that user looks like bad news. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:05, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Wow another insult, inept user, bad news? I really can't see what I have done wrong here. I admit I am not experienced at Wiki but I am trying to learn.  I have been accused of lying about my illnesses, my faith and my intentions.  I would like to prove my authenticity.  I have had about five editors attack me but that's appears to be ok, whilst my humble investigation is threatened with being blocked, I feel like Im going to get blocked for replying and I need Wikipedia as I cannot work due to my disabilities, wiki helps me feel connected.  So I apologise for offending anyone but I felt I was doing the right thing.       Bijou1995 (talk) 10:05, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Are you familiar with the concept "non-apology apology", ? That's what you have written above. (I really can't see what I have done wrong here... I apologise for offending anyone but I felt I was doing the right thing.) We have an article on it. Bishonen &#124; tålk 11:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC).
 * No I am not familiar and what I wrote is what I feel, isn't is called justifying yourself. I notice nobody has referred to my disabilities being questioned or that I have practically been called a liar, I guess there's no policy on that  Bijou1995 (talk) 13:00, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Also I did everything correctly, I went on their talk page and then took it to the right dept. I listed my thoughts and previous editors thoughts which I made clear were not mine just to help others get an idea rather than having to trawl though wiki themselves.  As for the mass of accusations on my part, I was merely asking if these things were possible from that editor and I made it clear why.  I cannot understand why all this has turned on me when I thought I was doing the right thing.  I feel bullied! Bijou1995 (talk) 13:19, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Why are you trying to argue with me on ARoseWolf's page? I have given you a straightforward warning on your own page. If you have still more to say to me, please say it there. Bishonen &#124; tålk 17:06, 30 May 2023 (UTC).
 * I think Bijou1995 did it here because they were hoping RoseWolf would defend them. I think they thought that doing it here would go better for them than at ANI or their own page. ARoseWolf, I have to agree with what Bishonen said below that your support emboldened them. While you had good intentions, supporting those who are harming the project is a net negative. You need to fully assess the situation before wading in. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 19:37, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ,, : I apologize for the delay in response. I have been away from home for the last five days. Two of my sisters that I haven't seen in better than five years came to visit us and I spent a few days with them in city, also gathering supplies we needed, before bringing them to the homestead. I really appreciate the comments you made and I want you to know that I respect you immensely.
 * I spent some time last night pondering each statement, decided to go to bed, and woke up this morning to think over it again after a cup of tea and meditation, and I truly hope you all will understand where my position is after I clarify. I do not condone any uncivil action taken by any editor, including myself. Many of the things pointed out by @Bishonen are, in fact, terrible aspersions. I picked one area, sockpuppet accusations, which does not disregard the other aspersions by omission. I pointed this at Bijou in regards to the "perhaps that person has multiple accounts" statement they made in hopes of bringing out the irony of them calling another editor a potential sockpuppet and then being upset that others may have questioned them along the same lines (now realizing they were blocked for sockpuppetry). While questioning in itself is not an aspersion, insinuating sockpuppetry can be extremely chilling. Look at how @bradv handled the situation (correct way) versus what @Iloveapphysics did by making sockpuppet accusations in edit summary (incorrect way). Bijou's accusations were no better. Just being directly accused can, under the right circumstances, lead to removal of editing privileges with simple circumstantial evidence to back it up. That is no ones fault in particular, definitely not the fault of our checkusers and admins who do a phenomenal job. However, unfounded and unevidenced sockpuppet accusations on talk pages and in discussions outside SPI are, in my opinion, one of the worst possible egregious acts of professional incivility that can be levied in specific regards to this collaborative project. It is not alone as the only uncivil action one can take that chills collaboration and disrupts the project, however, I do not see it dealt with in the same manner as other acts of incivility so I will not apologize for, nor do I see it as a mistake, calling it out when it occurs. If my focusing on one particular assertion that was thrown around back and forth between those two editors has led anyone to believe that I hold the position of being dismissive of the affects other uncivil acts may have had on fellow editors then I absolutely apologize as I have stated and continue to hold the position that any and all uncivil acts are uncalled for and should not be tolerated. In most cases a simple warning or a word of guidance is enough to bring good faith editors back in line. Though we, as good faith editors, do not always show restraint, especially when new, we should be expected, as experienced editors, to not allow ourselves to be provoked.
 * As a side, I was going to remove Bijou's comments above from the talk page but elected to leave it and will archive the entire conversation at a later date. I do appreciate every effort to try and understand my position and I readily admit that my comments are sometimes misunderstood and am willing to clarify them at any point. Do not hesitate to ask me about anything I state if you think it was in error. I am not above making mistakes and you are free to have a different opinion than I do. In fact I welcome open dialogue and appreciate differing points of view when presented respectfully. I usually take on most all advice and I will do the same with the amazing advice given here by three very respectable editors. -- A Rose Wolf  15:21, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would say your post did "disregard the other aspersions by omission", since you discussed this edit by Bijou1995 while completely ignoring the situation of the target of their attacks, namely . I don't merely agree that, as you say, "Bijou's accusations were no better"; I think they were far worse. They were indeed the typical pattern of preemptive strikes by an UPE or unacknowledged sock of an article subject who is trying to make their article more positive: 'You're on a vendetta! You're probably a competitor! You just enjoy harming and defaming others!' I still don't understand how you, ARoseWolf, could let such stuff pass as long as you were going to comment on that very post at all. Did you see the eventual, quite sad, comment by Iloveapphysics on ANI, here, some time after you had posted? Note that as regards number of edits, Iloveapphysics is even more of a newbie than Bijou (they currently have 107 edits to Bijou's 397). And have you read Bijou's grateful reply to you, where they were emboldened to make further attacks ("it appears they deliberately want to hurt others")?


 * Also, I'm baffled by your suggestion that accusations were "thrown around back and forth between those two editors". At the time you posted, Iloveapphysics, an infrequent editor, hadn't yet said a word on ANI, nor anywhere else, other than the single edit summary that you find so heinous.


 * Tryptofish commented above that they believe you made a mistake with your ANI post, but "a mistake made with good intentions". Yes, I'm sure your intentions towards Bijou were good. But IMO, good intentions towards Iloveapphysics were woefully lacking; you don't seem to have considered them at all. If you think that's down to me "misunderstanding" you, so be it. We can always agree to disagree. Bishonen &#124; tålk 16:24, 1 June 2023 (UTC).
 * ARoseWolf, I just commented above, but I'm also going to add here that bringing up the possibility of a disruptive editor socking is in no way the most egregious or incivil thing we do here. Experienced editors, and especially admins who've worked for years on sockpuppet cases, get a sense for these things, and for the type of users who are prone to it. We spot the editing patterns, behavior patterns, and other tells. And guess what? Most of the time we're right: Bijou is a sock and is now indeffed. FWIW, one of the most common things for sockdrawers to do when called out is immediately scream at us that those of us doing the investigation must all be socks, too. So I've been accused of socking innumerable times. I don't find it "chilling" at all. I laugh it off, as people usually do when they have nothing to hide. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 19:43, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ARoseWolf owes no apology to me. This incident is one that does not need too much examination or worrying over. As Corbie points out, Bijou turned out to be a sock (to me, they looked pretty obviously like one), and that was going to happen regardless of any encouragement. In fact, Bish and I share the honor of being named by Bijou as parties to a request for arbitration that ArbCom rapidly dismissed: . ARoseWolf didn't find it as obvious as I did, which is no big deal, and Bijou isn't worth spending more angst on. Far more important, I hope you enjoy your time with your sisters up there in Alaska. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:26, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you Tryp. I will note that upon further review of my comments I can admit the mistake of not focusing more on Bijou's uncivil actions. Had I taken a more thorough look at their comments I probably would have come to a different conclusion and commented differently. I would have still mentioned the sockpuppet accusations made by both, however, had I been here when Bish first brought up the problem they saw with my comments I may have been able to correct them. I was reacting to Bijou's expressed feelings, whether we believe them genuine or not. What is said on Wikipedia can have a damaging affect on people. When the subject or subjects of an article approach us I feel we can both be understanding and empathize with them while maintaining a position that the information belongs and should not be removed. If they persist in trying to remove the information or sock in an attempt to sway consensus or avoid a block then they absolutely should face sanctions. But we don't have to give up our humanity in the process nor neglect the principles of civility just because they are wrong for what they are doing. My intention with my comments was not to choose one editor over another, not to discount one editors position over another, but to simply point out that I can empathize with Bijou's position while wholly seeing them as wrong in their actions on the encyclopedia. If that emboldened them to continue their attacks on a fellow editor then that is unfortunate as it was not my intention to do so. Tryp may feel that I do not owe them an apology but I do offer one anyway. The same to Bish and Doug. I also hope, since was pinged here that they will accept my apology that they were viciously attacked and will not hold offense against me for not being as thorough as I should have.
 * When I saw your comments Corbie I expected it was you telling me how wrong I am in your eyes. As you say, one picks up on patterns. I do appreciate your thoughts and I will consider them. We will have to disagree on the severity of unevidenced sockpuppet accusations. Having to go through that myself (even having a SPI filed) I did find it both chilling and unnerving, especially since I had no clue it was happening as there is no requirement to notify editors when they are party to a SPI. Perhaps being a seasoned and experienced editor we can laugh it off, as it were. To a new editor just trying to find a way to contribute that can be extremely upsetting. But who really cares about my experiences and how they may have affected me, right? All that matters is your viewpoints. Look, all I've ever wanted to do is contribute, be a part of this community that I do care for and respect. But it's never going to be good enough for some. Again, I will take your comments under advisement but for the time being I think this net negative will step away from Wikipedia so that you won't have to spend your time pointing out your viewpoints about my inefficiencies, my flawed positions or have to comment on every mistake you think I have made in discussions. -- A Rose Wolf  13:49, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Sending you love, ARoseWolf. It's not easy having a big heart. Folly Mox (talk) 16:43, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I am a little mortified to see my editing pored over by such experienced Wikipeidans, but I am always open to learning and feedback! As a relatively inexperienced editor, I actually thought that it would be more confrontational to formally accuse someone of being a sockpuppet than to simply ask the question in an edit summary and that an accusation from an editor with a low edit count might not be taken seriously. That being said, I have definitely learned my lesson and will use the formal channels for sockpuppet issues from now on. I'm sorry for having caused this tempest in a teacup, and I look forward to running into all of you again under less dramatic circumstances. Iloveapphysics (talk) 20:59, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red - June 2023
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Growth team newsletter #26
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One million Suggested Edits
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Re: Rainbow
Hey, just dropping you a note to say that I enjoyed your rainbow story on Tryptofish’s talk page. While you may not have helped him, you can rest assured that you have helped others who read it. Viriditas (talk) 23:05, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind words, . I can't say I'm not somewhat disappointed with his response though I try to be understanding and can empathize with his feelings. My hope is that one day he will appreciate what I said to him but perhaps the timing was more appropriate for someone else who needed to hear it. It was worth saying even if it only resonates with one person. I still treasure and appreciate what him and so many did for me during my darkest days. -- A Rose Wolf  13:18, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I really do appreciate that, and particularly what you just said here. I hear you on it. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:55, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * , thank you for listening and understanding, my friend. -- A Rose Wolf  18:32, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Open admins
Hello, old acquaintance. I formerly went by another name here. Recently changed it because I realized probably just one user got the old time radio references in it.

First of all, I want to be clear that I am not asking you chime in elsewhere and I do not want you to do so. I don't expect you would do so, but I am spelling out that I am not canvassing.

I'm writing here because I need... a referral.

Things here devolved in the last day or so and I find myself blocked from article space indefinitely. I was rather broken up over it, but I know the friction between me and the site is for the best, and so I'm kind of relieved! Though I was having fun nerding it up for WiR and other areas, an extended Wikibreak should be a godsend when off-wiki life has never been richer, ongoing health problems aside.

Yes, I'm happy that I'll get hours per week back. Yet I suspect I'll want to draft or edit something in the future... I know myself that well. I put right what once went wrong. But I'm reluctant to request major edits or play in draft space due to likely scrutiny of my articles, drafts, and most especially the reactions my words have brought when I ask questions.

I know you are or were active at the Teahouse. Do you know any admins who would allow me to sometimes ask questions about how things operate on this site? I don't mean about the ongoing issue. I only mean it for the future.

I mean when and where to ask about what I can do, how to approach this and that best, what admins can do, etc.? Until yesterday morning, I would 'be bold', but I've since learned that questions/stating a case and asking whether I'm wrong can be interpreted as wikilawyering. I feel there is no safe place. So I'd like the option to ask a particular admin who doesn't mind my stupid questions on their talk page or getting pinged on mine.

I'm not wording this well. Aphasia humbles me.

Seems it needs to be a place that isn't the Teahouse, so I thought an admin. Who has much patience. Maybe an admin who has worked with kindergartners or parishioners. Who can explain things to me like I'm 5.

Let me know whether this makes any sense and whether you have ideas of whom I might connect with. Just don't reply if you're not interested.

Have a great weekend! Compulsive Researcher (talk) 19:44, 9 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, if I may still refer to you by that. I wouldn't ever not be interested in talking things out if it a) helps you and b) serves the community by protecting the encyclopedia from potential damage, even if unintended. I honestly don't really look at whom is an admin or not anymore. I know a few because I see them working (truly admirably). I think of us all as part of the community and see us equally. That being said I can understand your position. If I'm being honest I expected you would drop by. I caught up on the conversation this morning. I've been tempted to take a semi-permanent break myself. I'm around less now anyway.
 * On the topic that brought you here: If I may make a bold recommendation, I would seek out and get a mentor, not an admin. Not myself, please, not that I wouldn't make every attempt to help you but, as I said, I'm not around as much as I used to be. I say a mentor rather than an admin because admins are extremely busy these days. Most have things they are juggling beyond their normal editing. They do a phenomenal job just handling those tasks and I'm sure there are some that would be willing to assist you but some might see it as too laborious. However, those that take on the role of mentorship know what they are signing up for. I've had a few experienced editors assigned to me and I still have a mentor myself. I really think you would benefit from that. You can see a list of mentors here. Find one very experienced and you may have found the assistance you need. Let me know if I can help you further. Good luck, Diamond and we aren't old acquaintances, we're friends and co-members of this community. -- A Rose Wolf  20:10, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I like this mentor idea! Thank you, friend. Have a great weekend! Compulsive Researcher (talk) 02:42, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Eye
Sometimes, I feel like making a reply to someone's comment on your talkpage, but then, I don't follow through as I feel overwhelmed with other things. I want you to keep remembering, though, that you are important to me, whether I write here or not. Ergo, here's a friend of mine -a twin from my talkpage today- who would also like to keep an eye on things around here. All the best to you... --Rosiestep (talk) 18:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . I needed this today. -- A Rose Wolf  14:07, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Like Rosie, I often want to weigh in, but don't because you always seem to have the situation well in hand and you know me...conflict avoider. Nevertheless, just seeing your name always makes me smile. SusunW (talk) 17:09, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * , I don't ever want either of you to feel bad about responding or not responding on my talk page. I try my best to be open about who I am as a person and where I am in my Wiki-experience. I don't always receive very well what I initially view as attacks on principles linked to my character but later realize that they are, in fact, simply critiques that I should pay attention to once I have time to think about it and put it in the proper context. It is hard not to take things personal but, like I wish others to do for me, I should do for others. I realize the majority of critical comments directed at me come from a place of good faith correction or to cause me to pause and take notice of what others see as a potential issue I may have overlooked. I am appreciative of the feedback I get from everyone because it genuinely improves me as an editor and a person. In the end I may still disagree with portions of what is presented to me but I can see and respect other viewpoints within this complex and beautiful project. I have no enemy that is a member of this community, only respected colleagues and loved wiki-friends. -- A Rose Wolf  18:22, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for saying that again! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Today's story is about a singer whom I saw twice, not Wagner and Strauss, but Bach and Weill - more vacation pics! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:00, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Today, the story is ten years old, the Main page had three great people who recently died, and I invite you to look at two videos around concerts I heard, in one actually seen in the background. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Today: a woman caught by the iron curtain (improved with SusunW and GRuban), yesterday: the Mass in B minor, heard in concert, three musical videos are out, and the rest of the vacation pics is now there. - How are you? h--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:32, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Today: a woman caught by the iron curtain (improved with SusunW and GRuban), yesterday: the Mass in B minor, heard in concert, three musical videos are out, and the rest of the vacation pics is now there. - How are you? h--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:32, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Not constructive?
We are simply removing complete misinformation and a lot of focus on the extraneous SoozieBSco (talk) 16:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * , do you have a connection with the subject? -- A Rose Wolf  16:23, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red's anniversary
Thank you for sharing your memories and your kind words. Really touched me. --Rosiestep (talk) 09:48, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * , I've never been one to shy away from giving my thoughts. I'm glad to see others leaving their thoughts as well. WiR is truly a remarkable project for the encyclopedia. I'm both proud and honored to be a member. I will never forget the impact so many from the project have had on me. That can be extended to friends and colleagues here. I know I have said that often but I really want everyone that has ever commented on my talk page or had an interaction with me, whether it was during a contentious discussion or a friendly chat, content or community building, to know that you all have and continue to have a positive impact on myself and my daughter who reads along with me a lot of times. I want her to see the incredible people I encounter here and most of the time you all are the only people we interact with for long periods of time besides those that live with us. Thank you for such amazing memories. -- A Rose Wolf  14:49, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

A piece of cake for you!

 * Thank you so much, . You are truly amazing! -- A Rose Wolf  19:31, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red July 2023
--Lajmmoore (talk) 07:44, 27 June 2023 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Question from Shamiq Ahmad on Draft:International trade negotiation (10:41, 27 June 2023) (2)
How to find good reference for international trade negotiation --Shamiq Ahmad (talk) 10:41, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * , welcome to my talk page and to Wikipedia. By reference I assume you are wanting to know how to find reliable sources on "International trade". Reliable independent sources used to establish notability can be newspaper articles and other forms of media about the subject, published by those not connected to the subject in which said subject receives significant coverage. A source can be a reliable source and not be an independent source so you have to be careful about your sourcing. I recommend reading WP:RS, WP:IS and WP:CITE. It's best to use secondary sources but most independent sources are not secondary. Most sources are, in fact, primary sources so be careful about their use. If all of this is confusing I would suggest reading WP:DEV on article development. -- A Rose Wolf  14:19, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks for your suggestion. Shamiq Ahmad (talk) 17:54, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Edward C. O'Rear's maternal side
His mother, Sibba Mynheir O'rear, was born to a father "of German stock" while her maternal side was "of English extration." As it says in her obituary (see the second image in this link, last 4 lines of text): https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/84949917/sibba-o'rear/photo 2603:6011:A400:8A82:68AB:CE9F:B627:CC31 (talk) 21:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Find-a-grave is not a reliable source. We need a reliable source to make such changes. Make sure to include a citation to a reliable source if you re-add or it may get reverted again. -- A Rose Wolf  21:35, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Question from A.Zijp (08:49, 28 June 2023)
Hi Asareel, what a great function to have a mentor. Question: We published a Dutch page for our company a long time ago, and have an English one ready. What would be the best way to publish the English page? --A.Zijp (talk) 08:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * For any Talkpage Watchers interested in taking a look.


 * Hello, and welcome to my talk page and to Wikipedia. I have to get the COI stuff out of the way first and point you to WP:COI and let you know that, though you are not expressly forbidden from editing articles about the company you have a COI with it is strongly suggested you utilize the draft's talk page to request changes. If you are being compensated in any way by the company then, in accordance with WP:UPE, you should declare who is paying you or who your client is, in this case the employer, even if you are not being paid directly to edit Wikipedia..
 * Now, that's out of the way, let's discuss the draft. It has been declined because there aren't any reliable independent sources to prove notability of the subject. How old something is or even how influential it is or has been does not automatically give a subject notability according to Wikipedia. I post several links after nearly every question concerning notability and how it is achieved through citing relible independent secondary sources that give the subject significant coverage. Each source must be verifiable which does not mean that it has to be readily available at any moment but must be a published source of some type. Wikipedia is not a web host nor do we promote "companies" or have company pages. This is an online encyclopedia with articles on what Wikipedia deems notable in accordance with its policies and guidelines. If I may be frank, the encyclopedia does not care what anyone that represents your company knows about the company. It does not care what I may or may not know. It only matters what independent secondary reliable sources say about the company in order to confirm notability exists. I hope this helps. If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to ask. -- A Rose Wolf  15:15, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Study invitation
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Review Katherine Hoover
Hello,

With regards to women composers, I would like to ask for your advice.

When you have time, please review the article on Katherine Hoover, a contemporary classical composer and flutist.

I am working to improve the article.

Thankyou, AjAirFlex (talk) 03:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Kalemire Paul Journey (09:28, 10 July 2023)
Hi, My name is Paul. How do I add my biodata and biography on Wikipedia? --Kalemire Paul Journey (talk) 09:28, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to my talk page. I see this is your first edit under this user name. Were you editing under another user account or by IP before getting this account or is this your very first ever edit? I'm asking so I might can get a history for you and be able to help you better. As of right now what I gather is you want to add your information to Wikipedia?
 * I must caution you, Wikipedia is not social media site with profiles though each user is granted some leeway to add information to what we call a "User page". These pages are not published articles but give you some insight into who you are talking to and what our interests are on the encyclopedia or past work we've done here. In order to have a published article on the encyclopedia you must provide reliable independent sources which show why the subject, in this case you, are notable. Secondary sources as opposed to primary sources are preferable and sometimes necessary. I can list you a host of guidelines and policies which present this better than I could ever hope to.
 * The one thing often overlooked in these cases is the fact that having an article on Wikipedia is not simply a bio and is not controlled by you, the subject. The community and yes, even random IP's, can edit any article and you can not control what is added or taken away from any article where you are the subject. This is not to dissuade you but only give you context of what may transpire after an article is accepted, whether you write it or not. You should carefully think on this before proceeding. If you decide to do so then please look at the usual policies and guidelines such as WP:N, WP:V, WP:RS and WP:IS. You will also need to read WP:COI as you would be the subject of the article and therefore have a conflict of interest. I would strongly suggest not writing about yourself as WP:AUTO points out. We want biographies, not autobiographies. -- A Rose Wolf  17:01, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from RaeOA90 on User:RaeOA90/sandbox (14:36, 14 July 2023)
I would like to 1) turn this from a draft into a real article and 2) rename is to "rick spees" how do I do that? --RaeOA90 (talk) 14:36, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to my talk page.
 * Two issues that stand out to me about the sandbox article you have written are:
 * 1. There are no verifiably cited references to independent reliable sources (WP:RS & WP:IS).
 * 2. The draft reads more like a book preface or website profile page. Too much promotional puffery (WP:PUFF).
 * In short, find sources and add them to a "References" section of the article (WP:CITE) and I would remove words like "significant", "prominant" and "accomplished". The subject is not notable because of the promotional words placed in this article. In writing an article about him we must allow the sources to do the majority of the talking while we simply paraphrase what they say in a neutral encyclopedic tone. I do not recommend moving the article or changing its name until the criteria above is met to satisfaction. -- A Rose Wolf  18:49, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi - is the updated version better? i've included more sources RaeOA90 (talk) 15:37, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * , the issue with it now is that it has been found to be a copyright infringement meaning a portion or portions of it too closely resemble what is found somewhere else online. Most every website has a copyright statement. We are not allowed to copy/paste from anywhere else. We also must paraphrase sources in a such a way as to not closely resemble what they wrote. Use your own words to describe a source. -- A Rose Wolf  16:47, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * OK that's really helpful, I will do that RaeOA90 (talk) 16:21, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @ARoseWolf I am having trouble locating the draft; I think it might have been removed. Any idea how to get that back - Im changing most of the content but I would like to have my reference list easily accessible. RaeOA90 (talk) 16:39, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * , it was speedy deleted per the requirement as a copyright infringement. Due to legal issues that can arise Wikipedia must protect itself from these issues. Any article that is found to have copyright infringements must be scrubbed and cleaned of all infractions. In this case it was deemed to be almost completely an infringement and anything remaining would be unsalvageable. So the entire draft was deleted. I'm sorry. I know you feel you worked hard on it and I'm not doubting your intent, however, the draft could not remain available. It has not been salted so you can remake the draft. I must ask though, do you have a connection with the subject or the company he works for? -- A Rose Wolf  16:45, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I have met him once before for lunch and said in passing I thought he should have a wikipedia page and offered to do it. I dont know him well.
 * That is fine re: draft, I understand. I am (clearly) new to this and trying to follow along with all the rules and regulations, but concerned because as I'm trying to make these updates and edits, there is no other way to save them than to publish - unless i'm missing something. RaeOA90 (talk) 17:06, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * , There may be considered a conflict of interest but I think meeting him once for lunch isn't that big of a deal if that is all there is. You are not receiving compensation and you only met once? No other meeting has ever been set up or followed through on and you have no ties to his place of employment? -- A Rose Wolf  17:40, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * All of the above is correct. RaeOA90 (talk) 17:47, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Is there a way to save versions without publishing / confirming it looks okay with you so that I can ensure i'm not violating anything without realizing? RaeOA90 (talk) 18:06, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * , no, even drafts are considered published, and you are responsible to make sure you are not including copyright material. This is why it is important to make sure what you are including is in your own words but can be verified through reliable sources. Don't copy and paste anything and never just rewrite what you find verbatim. We can evaluate whether what you write meets notability requirements through the article review process but repeated copyright violations can lead to sanctions so please be careful. I suggest you read H:YFA. -- A Rose Wolf  18:20, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * OK I am going to try again now having taken all of this into careful consideration RaeOA90 (talk) 21:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi - any update on this yet? thank you. @ARoseWolf RaeOA90 (talk) 19:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from Kopa ctin (15:38, 15 July 2023)
Hi, I want to create small topic and let people know about new term “Zinele” how do I need to do it? --Kopa ctin (talk) 15:38, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

July music
Fireworks on the Rhine pictured on 1 July, but the real stars were sun and moon. I love today's story especially. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

On today's Main page, you can find a cantata that Bach first performed 300 years ago, and an iconic saxophonist from East Germany. Also: a bit about the history of QAI on my talk. Thank you for being part of it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

While today's DYK highlights Santiago on his day, I did my modest share with my story today, describing what I just experienced, pictured. I began the article of the woman in green. - Every time I pass the stone steps at the Abbey (pictured last year) I think of you, and last time I even took a picture, but it turned out too pale. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:59, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Today Jahrhundertring, and I'm listening to Götterdämmerung from the Bayreuth Festival, close to the scene pictured, - the image (of a woman who can't believe what she has to see) features also on the article talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:41, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red 8th Anniversary
--Lajmmoore (talk) 11:02, 18 July 2023 (UTC) via MassMessaging

My edit
Hi I thought my edit to colridge was very funny a real larf! We all got to have a larf in life 2A00:23EE:1948:C00D:5AD2:599E:3D92:FD89 (talk) 17:44, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from JustMakingJokeArticles (22:42, 20 July 2023)
Hi. I'm new, and I just wanted to make joke articles, can I do that? --JustMakingJokeArticles (talk) 22:42, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * No. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:57, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * But if you are serious about contributing content, you might want to change your user name. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:05, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * , Tryptofish has given you sound advice. You can not make "joke" articles but you can improve our article on jokes or Comedy. -- A Rose Wolf  14:51, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * ARoseWolf, I thought I'd just leave a few follow-up observations with you. When I first saw this post, I figuratively rolled my eyes and suspected NOTHERE, but then I also thought about AGF and BITE. The user made one subsequent edit to main space, which I checked, and it was a constructive edit (and not reverted by anyone so far). I have a gut feeling that the choice of user name is going to get some administrator's attention, and the name needs to be changed, but the editor may turn out to be OK. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:05, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I thought Wikipedia had a policy for Humor JustMakingJokeArticles (talk) 20:24, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * In that regard, I'd suggest looking at Rules for Fools. It gives a good overview of what is OK, and what is not OK. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:27, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * While we're at it, I'll point you to Changing username, because your current account name makes it sound like you are just here to create articles that are not allowed to be created, and you risk getting blocked over that username. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:31, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, But how do I change my name? JustMakingJokeArticles (talk) 22:52, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * By reading and following the instructions that start at Changing username. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:14, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Sclubfan32 on Paul Cattermole (18:25, 22 July 2023)
Paul deserves a better picture on his Wikipedia page, how can I do that? --Sclubfan32 (talk) 18:25, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Question from Aqibkhantaknik (12:56, 25 July 2023)
Hello...

Please guide me a bit, so that i may be always accurate and more useful for Wikipedia. i want to be top level editor of Wikipedia and want to promote Wikipedia knowledge more and more.

i know about sports, science, religion and geography of asia like things. --Aqibkhantaknik (talk) 12:56, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I apologize for the delayed response, . Being accurate is important, being accurate to sources is required. Every editor in good standing is a useful member of this community. I will never discourage any goal you have even if I may offer insight. My suggestion is to read policy, start with small edits, read policy, don't create articles until you fully understand the mechanics and requirements, also read policy. It also would not hurt to read the discussions between other editors. You can glean a lot of information but reading those discussions. Anyway, those are a few suggestions. I'm sure there are others who can offer additional thoughts and perhaps even better advice. -- A Rose Wolf  13:39, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red August 2023
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Wikimedia US Mountain West online meeting 08/08/2023
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Growth team newsletter #27
Welcome to the twenty-seventh newsletter from the Growth team! Help with translations

Annual plan for Growth
We shared our annual plan, for the period July 2023 - June 2024.

Our first project of the year will be Community configuration 2.0, which helps editors with extended rights transparently and easily configure important on-wiki functionality.

After we finish work on Community configuration 2.0, we will hope to fit in one of the following projects: Please let us know what you think about these projects on the related talk page, or Growth's annual plan talk page.
 * Article creation: This project aims to provide new editors with better guidance and guardrails in the article creation process, with the intention of lightening the load of new page reviewers.
 * Non-editing participation: This project aims to create low-risk ways for readers to participate in Wikipedia with the intention of funneling more readers into contributing to the Wikimedia movement.

Suggested edits
We released a new Section-level “add an image” structured task to Growth pilot wikis (Arabic, Bengali, Czech, and Spanish). This task was part of the Structured Data Across Wikipedia project. We are monitoring the edits made, and we look for community feedback as well.

Suggested Edits are now receiving topic predictions via the new Language-Agnostic Topic Classification. This change affects non-English Wikipedia wikis. It will ensure newcomers receive a greater diversity of task recommendations. Before, as this feature was a test, English Wikipedia was used to select topics. The change is gradual as lists of topics are refreshed when they become empty. The Research team will evaluate the impact in a few months. 

Starting on August 1, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link":.

Mentorship
The Growth team provides dedicated features to establish a mentorship program for newcomers. Every newcomer gets a volunteer mentor who provides encouragement and answers questions. Communities can set up or join this mentorship system by visiting Special:ManageMentors. This mentorship system is configurable by the community at Special:EditGrowthConfig.

More communities have implemented mentorship. A Wikimedia Foundation data scientist will be looking at the impact of Mentorship. We will look at the impact on Spanish and English Wikipedia. 

The Growth team will also host a Mentoring new editors on Wikipedia session at Wikimania 2023 in Singapore. Workshop attendees will help brainstorm improvements to Growth’s mentorship features.

Positive reinforcement
We will share more complete experiment analysis for all the three parts of the Positive reinforcement project soon. At the moment, the new Impact module, Leveling up, and Personalized praise are still being A/B tested on the Growth team's pilot wikis.

In the meantime, initial leading indicators for the Personalized praise project have been published. Although this is still a relatively small sample, results seem healthy. They show that Mentors are indeed receiving notifications and clicking through to view their praise-worthy mentees.

Growth contributes to IP Editing migration
The Growth team is currently focusing on IP Editing: Privacy Enhancement and Abuse Mitigation. It is a project that touches many different Wikimedia Foundation teams. The Growth team will focus on temporary accounts through two main points:


 * the user experience of a logged-out user, that switches to a temporary account,
 * change Growth-owned extensions and features, so that they work as expected with temporary accounts.

Community Configuration 2.0
We are still in the early planning stage of the Community Configuration 2.0 project:
 * We are gathering internal Wikimedia Foundation teams' needs, so as community feedback.
 * We have started to investigate design improvements.
 * We are also reviewing similar tools that are part of other products.

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August music
My story today - a first - isn't about an article by me, but one I reviewed for DYK, see here. I like all: topic, "hook", connected article (a GA on its way towards FA), image and the music "in the background". I just returned from a weekend with two weddings, so I also like the spirit ;) - Pics to come, I promise one cake, the other was too large! Good music, and better even in the concert ending the second day, - Goldberg Variations theme for an encore, after Dohnányi Serenade, - you would have loved the cellist! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Again not by me: today's story - with the triumph of music over military - is uplifting! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Now: picture of heart-shaped cake(s) uploaded! - Today's story is about a tenor, - why his roles are not linked on the Main page remains a mystery to me. Today is also the birthday of the Bayreuth Festival. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Today is Debussy's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:24, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

This too shall pass. - Ten years ago on 28 August, I heard a symphony, with a heavy heart because of the pending decision in WP:ARBINFOBOX, and not worried about my future here but Andy's. - It passed, and I could write the DYK about calling to dance, not battle, and Andy could write the DYK mentioning about peace and reconciliation, - look. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from TheAdorablesnowman (00:16, 19 August 2023)
Hello I want to make a wikipedia page on an article but the page already exists as a redirect link. For instance I want to make an article on UNLV Rebels women's soccer but the page exists as a redirect link. Can I still make the page? Do I just delete the redirect link from the page and make the article? Or something else. Thank you --TheAdorablesnowman (talk) 00:16, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * User:TheAdorablesnowman, it appears ARoseWolf may be busy with off-wiki activities, so I've taken the liberty of responding to you while you wait.It looks like your most recent draft article was approved, congratulations! However I do see you've had two drafts declined in the past week or so. While you're able to create an article at UNLV Rebels women's soccer by overwriting the redirect with article content, do you feel confident you understand Wikipedia's notability and sourcing requirements well enough to create a new article without a review process? If you create an unsuitable article it may be moved to draftspace. Also articles developed directly in mainspace are expected to be relatively complete and properly formatted from the get-go, although placing Under construction at the top of the page might help allay some of those concerns. It might be better for you to write Draft:UNLV Rebels women's soccer until you have a bit more experience getting articles approved. The reviewer who accepts your article after it is submitted will understand how to move it on top of the redirect so you retain authorship attribution.A middle of the road option might be to take your three best sources to the Teahouse and ask for a source review. It is a highly watched venue, so you'll be liable to get some quick feedback about whether or not an article is appropriate for the subject you're interested in at this time. Hope this helps, and apologies to ARoseWolf if I've stepped on her toes. Folly Mox (talk) 00:50, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Jamelavuma (21:28, 22 August 2023)
Hi, i would like to know how publish my own article --Jamelavuma (talk) 21:28, 22 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi User:Jamelavuma! I thought I might give a partial answer while ARoseWolf is temporarily away. The main guidance for publishing a new article is at Help:Your first article, but there is a newer and more streamlined draft at User:Houseblaster/YFA draft that is a quicker read.You may also want to have a look at the short user essays WP:BACKWARD and WP:42. Basically, you'll need to find reliable sources that talk about your topic in detail, because otherwise the topic will not be eligible for inclusion in the encyclopaedia. A number of help venues for newer editors are available with quick response times, the best of which is probably the Teahouse. Please don't hesitate to reach out if you get stuck. Folly Mox (talk) 21:43, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Michaellix76 on Tony Murano (10:10, 24 August 2023)
Hello! I wanted to create a page about Tony Murano. This is a famous photographer and filmmaker. I subscribe to his MNDmag magazine and also recently attended his workshop. I got information that someone tried to create such a page, but it was deleted. How can I create his page?

Thank you. Kind Regards, Michael --Michaellix76 (talk) 10:10, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi User:Michaellix76 (that rhymes)! I thought I might try to offer a partial answer while ARoseWolf is temporarily away. It sounds like the previous effort to create an article about Tony Murano did not establish that he is an eligible topic for inclusion in the encyclopaedia. We call this (somewhat confusingly) "notability", but lots of famous, popular topics don't meet the threshold.There is good, somewhat prolix, guidance for creating an article at Help:Your first article, and a briefer, more streamlined draft at User:Houseblaster/YFA draft.The basics are that you'll need to find reliable sources that are independent of Tony Murano (so if he operates MNDmag, that will not count towards establishing notability; similarly any information from the institution or entity that hosts his workshops is not considered "independent"). The sources will have to talk about Tony Murano at some length— at least a few paragraphs. As a visual artist, he may be eligible under what's called a "specific notability guideline": WP:NARTIST. This criterion may be easier to meet than the general biography guideline WP:ANYBIO. Creating a new Wikipedia article and having it accepted for publication is not always an easy task, and takes a not inconsiderable time investment. I encourage you to give it a go, provided you're able to find adequate published sources, to help improve Wikipedia's coverage of modern visual arts. Help is always available. The Teahouse is particularly good, and someone there is likely to respond quickly if you reach out for assistance. Folly Mox (talk) 21:56, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from Music Updater Uganda (19:10, 24 August 2023)
Hey Rose, how are you doing? Kindly, I would like to know why some of my editing tools are hidden? Just like the template tool where I can add infobox(es) to pages from --Music Updater Uganda (talk) 19:10, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * User:Music Updater Uganda, ARoseWolf appears to be away for the moment, and has not edited since the beginning of August. I'm not familiar enough with the VisualEditor to offer you any help with the situation you describe. You may want to try asking at Help talk:VisualEditor or the Teahouse, with specifics about what all tools are missing from your interface, whether this happens on all pages or just some, etc. Sorry I'm not able to be of more help. Folly Mox (talk) 07:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

September 2023 at Women in Red
--Victuallers (talk) 16:59, 25 August 2023 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Question from Lindsaybayne1234 (21:17, 25 August 2023)
I want to ask about rules and regulations of posts and how to best disclose connection to my employer. can you help? --Lindsaybayne1234 (talk) 21:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi User:Lindsaybayne1234! I thought I might offer some pointers to relevant Wikipedia guidance while ARoseWolf is temporarily away. The policies about disclosing a connection to your employer are Paid Editing policy and Conflict of Interest. Depending on the how you've come to Wikipedia and what your and your employer's goals are, you may find informative the brief user essay (not official policy) What to do when your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia, although this may not apply in your case.Thank you for asking about this! Folly Mox (talk) 07:15, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Question from JackTv09 (15:35, 26 August 2023)
Como escrever um novo artigo? --JackTv09 (talk) 15:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)


 * User:JackTv09, you may be interested in es:Ayuda:Contenidos if your primary language of communication is Spanish. If you feel confident enough with English to attempt editing the English language Wikipedia instead, good guidance for article creation for new users is at Help:Your first article. Folly Mox (talk) 07:21, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

mentor status
Hello ARoseWolf, following a discussion your mentor status was set to away. Feel free to change this back if you become active again. Best regards, — xaosflux  Talk 00:19, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . I believe this should be standard practice and I am thankful for for bringing it forward. If I could have I would have marked myself away, unfortunately that wasn't possible. I'm going to gat some much needed rest now. My status can stay as "away" for now. Again, thank you for your attentiveness and for notification. --18:29, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * , this was a pleasant surprise this morning. I appreciate the barnstar a lot, your words even more. If anything it shows me that although I'm not a literary genius or a great orator, I do have a, admittedly small and sometimes seemingly insignificant, positive impact on a community and a project I have an immense love and care for. It's encouraging. However, I must say that all I did was give the right advice to someone willing and ready to listen. You applied that advice to change your approach. You put in the effort to adjust what you were doing and find a constructive path forward. So, you saved your life as an editor here. I just pointed you in a better direction. I could not be happier with the outcome and I am thankful to have you in this community. Congrats on the GA and all the little contributions along the way which usually go unnoticed. -- A Rose Wolf  14:17, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Your impact may seem insignificant, but I can promise you that it's much more than that. { --Tryptofish (talk) 17:41, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with Tryptofish here - you may think your impact is insignificant but in fact it is much larger - your civillity and kindness while mentoring others has always impressed me. <span style="font-family:monospace,Courier;color:#515151">#prodraxis connect 02:27, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

September music
Today's story is about a great pianist with an unusual career, taking off when he was 50. It's the wedding anniversary of Clara and Robert Schumann, but I was too late with our gift. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Did you meet Raymond Arritt, another of my "heroes" here? (I think I pointed at him when you listened to people's songs.) - He still helps me, five years after he died, per what he said in my darkest time on Wikipedia (placed in my edit-notice as a reminder), and by teh rulez. - Latest pics from a weekend in Berlin (one more day to come). - Thank you for what you told Corbie! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , I remember Ray. What a beautiful Song. -- A Rose Wolf  13:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Well said - editor of the week so well deserved, and beautifully illustrated! Don't miss my story today. The Schreiber ref (BR) has an interview with his voice. It's in German, but I trust that you'll understand the spirit. He said that he hoped it would be Tristan music on his mind when he died, and that it wasn't length of life making life good but quality of life. Spoken a year before the diagnosis. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, such a lovely story. And I more than understood the spirit of the interview. Our voices are part of the music of Earth. Yet we are a individual Song. It's amazing to me how we blend and dance around each other. The things I see with my ears. The things I hear with my eyes. The things I touch, not with my hands, but with my heart. Life is about exploring the music all around us and in each other. If you see it, if you hear it, if you ae touched by it, in that moment you've already lived a more fulfilling life than ten thousand otherwise. How can one not be excited for a new sunrise? I love my Wikipedia adventure. -- A Rose Wolf  13:06, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, you say that so well! - My story today is The Company of Heaven ("company" with a double meaning, but angelic company in the end). - No new pictures yet, it's a week with concert or opera every night! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:19, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Women in Green GA Editathon October 2023 - Around the World in 31 Days
<div style="border: 6px solid #2bbf08; background: #FFF; background-color:#FFFFFF; padding: 1ex 1ex 1ex 1.5ex; margin: 0px 0px 1em 1em; font-size: 99%"> Hello :

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a  month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Alanna the Brave (talk) 00:53, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

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Editor of the Week
User:Buster7 submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:
 * ARoseWolf has been editing since August of 2020 and has over 10000 edits. Thru the efforts of many fellow editors, Women in Red gave her the purpose of sharing (with her daughter) the stories of amazing women. Her Wikipedia goal is leaving this encyclopedia more improved, through civil collaboration, than when she came. Kindness, civility, understanding and respect are an integral part of the "Wikipedia symphonies" that she shares with others. Her view of Life speaks to her heritage and culture. She sees our individual lives as a Song and the path we walk as a Dance. She brings these beautiful embracing thoughts to her Wikipedia editing and deserves acknowledgement. Kind, diplomatic and encouraging of others. A diligent, useful contributor to Wikipedia. This nomination was seconded by User:CT55555 and User:Hamid Hassani

You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:

Thanks again for your efforts! &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   00:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Well deserved. So many corners of this project are brighter thanks to you. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:01, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Wow, I feel overwhelmed by this. My Papa would be proud of you all, for once I am left speechless. Perhaps it is true that we are our own biggest critic because I don't feel deserving. There are far more impactful editors, I feel, who never get nominated for this much less are awarded. I will choose to trust the experience of those around me and I am very appreciative to, and  for the recognition. I have learned so much just being in contact with this project for the last three years. Thank you,  for you kind comment. You all are very thoughtful. Truly, my greatest blessing in life is the ability to hear the symphony that is us. -- A Rose  Wolf  16:47, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You are the 501st recipient and are just as worthy as ALL the rest put together. I have shared your idea of "our song and dance" with my freshman in college grandaughter. I hope you don't mind but it was so positive and profound in its simplicity. &#8213; Buster7  &#9742;   17:23, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , on the contrary, I'm thrilled to know others are sharing it. I've always viewed us as strings, like a guitar. Our Song, our Life, is constantly playing on repeat. Each note has Color and even depth of Color. As we have experiences the Song grows and more colors are on display. When we encounter others, whether accepting or not, we are offering them a part of our Song. Like if you passed a flame from one to another. That is the impact we have on others. I take joy in knowing even in some small way, my Song will continue, impacted in my humankind, as a part of their own long after I am gone. That, to me, is the meaning of Life and the ultimate achievement. Be A Rainbow Today! -- A Rose  Wolf  17:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Congrats, ARoseWolf, well deserved. Best always, Carlstak (talk) 17:26, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Carlstak. You are so kind. -- A Rose Wolf  17:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi dear ARoseWolf! Congrats for being chosen as the Editor of the Week! You deserved it. Good luck and go ahead! Regards, Hamid Hassani (talk) 19:26, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Asareel, I am thrilled that your song and colors are known by so many. Sorry to be slow passing on my congrats, but we were so busy we had no access to internet last week. My bro and sister and I and all our families flew in for my mom's 90th birthday in Oklahoma. It was so cool to have a whole table full of nonagenerians (literally no agers) among the roomful of people whose lives she has touched. Reminds us all that our songs have so much impact that we may or may not know of. I appreciate you and your positivity. It makes a huge difference in the world. SusunW (talk) 13:47, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , so thrilled to hear from you. Thank you for your amazing words and lovely support. We all get busy with life, I'm busy bustling around the homestead these days trying to get everyone whipped in shape for winter. I know you enjoyed your time in Oklahoma. I relly need to get back down there again. I stay in contact with my aunt and a few people I met but the distance does strain things somewhat. If you want a good laugh here's a for you. Our Colors are beautiful. I can never show enough appreciation to Ian, Rosie and yourself for allowing me to see yours. You are the real inspiration, Susun. -- A Rose  Wolf  18:44, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I loved the laugh. SusunW (talk) 21:24, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * So well deserved! Truly, I am surprised that you haven't received this honor earlier. Sending you heaps of hugs. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:06, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , I cant begin to express what you and WiR have meant to me, personally. I tear up and get emotional thinking where I was just about two years ago. Fearful of the unknown that was happening in my body. Unsure and alone because of Covid restrictions. WiR and really Wikipedia was my outlet. You don't realize how seemingly small things can have a huge impact on someone going through something as serious as cancer. Two years ago, while I was at my lowest in dealing with the cancer treatments and being isolated from my only support system, my family, a task came up in WiR that I happily took on and assisted with. Through that I was able to focus on something that was a challenge but that allowed me to do something for a project here that I love deeply. It gave me purpose and through that it renewed my strength at a time when I couldn't escape to the mountains, couldn't listen to the Song of nature around me. I listened to another Song, your Song. That helped me more than I can ever explain and why I am forever grateful. -- A Rose Wolf  18:44, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * So grateful to read what you wrote here. You connect with me in a way that I can't explain. Sending you oxoxo. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:07, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I was touched to read what you said here, about how that helped you deal with that low point. That's very inspiring, truly. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't even get me started on how inspiring, motivating and important you have been for me, . Any award or recognition passed on to an individual editor here is never really about just that editor or their contributions. This is a community and sometimes we bicker and argue but I haven't met anyone here that doesn't inspire me in some good way. -- A Rose Wolf  19:00, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for practicing kindness. I'm glad to see your recognition. Folly Mox (talk) 19:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , You are so precious. Thank you for your attentiveness towards new editors and your thoughtful contributions. I appreciate your kindness directed at me. -- A Rose Wolf  19:18, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Congratulations for your well deserved recognition. You are the best, A! GenQuest  "scribble" 01:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Funny, I think the same about you, . We've done some good things together. Hopefully more in the future. Either way, I think the world of you. -- A Rose Wolf  12:09, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red October 2023
--Lajmmoore (talk) 10:54, 29 September 2023 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Taking this discussion here, in an effort to remove some heat from ANI
In this post you wrote I don't see the point in them calling themselves a liar. Based upon my reading of everything written by Veganpurplefox in that section of ANI, I simply can not understand the basis of your comment. Nowhere does that editor call themselves a liar, or refer to autistic people as a group as liars. Perhaps I am wrong about that, and I simply missed the posts where the editor made such claims. What I did read - and I know I am repeating myself here - was a clear, unambiguous, false statement by Veganpurplefox that "neurotypicals" (i.e., people who are not autistic) are unremitting liars. That claim, I note, has not been stricken or removed, even though the author has subsequently commented in that section, so I conclude that they stand by it. You and I clearly disagree that the statement is a violation of our policies and guidelines against personal attacks. That's fine, as reasonable, good-faith editors often disagree about things. What I don't understand is how you can so seemingly easily brush aside that...claim...by interpreting it as a "point[less]" attack against themself.

As you already know, you are certainly under no obligation to respond to this note, and indeed you can revert this entire section if you wish. I have and will have no problem with that. If you do respond (I will watchlist this page for a short while) that would likely be helpful to me, as I recognize the distinct possibility - it would not be the first time, and unfortunately probably not the last - that I have completely misunderstood things written by other editors. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 16:15, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * , ah, I see. I am the one that misunderstood. I took it that they were saying that, because they are autistic others believe they are lying especially with how adamant they are about their innocence. Clearly they are saying non-autistic or Neurotypicals are liars which would be a personal attack. Thanks for coming to me. I will clarify. -- A Rose Wolf  16:39, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for both the quick response here and the ANI clarification. I hope Veganpurplefox responds positively to your good advice. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 16:50, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Sometimes I focus a little too hard on what I perceive a person's intent is. That is why I clarified my point that, regardless of intent, the statement, as it is written, is a personal attack and should be struck. In that vein of knowing how I perceived their feelings I hope it clarifies my "pointless" comment. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify. -- A Rose Wolf  16:53, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Of course it has been clarified, and thanks again for doing so. I recognize that while I immediately jumped upon Veganpurplefox's unfortunate statement, you have made numerous efforts to help them. I will remember that, and going forward try to follow your model more often, as in this case my response doesn't seem to have had any positive impact upon them. Thanks also for this unpointless (is that a word?) discussion. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 17:09, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Civil discussion is very important, really paramount and this one no less. No, it doesn't appear that the advice offered has been taken and that is regrettable but I hold out hope it will in the end. I've seen you around the encyclopedia, JoJo, and I love reading the thought that goes into your comments and responses. You do good work from what I've seen and I appreciate you a lot. -- A Rose Wolf  18:27, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You are too kind, and you have done much more than me to improve the encyclopedia. I look forward to working with you in the future. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 10:32, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

October music
My story today is sad but great. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

A few more pics, and see my talk for what we sang today, and what Tabea Zimmermann played (today's story): I heard it, and it's on YouTube. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

More pics, and today's story is on a birthday, and the real DYK was already on that birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Today, it's a place that inspired me, musings if you have time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

A Romanian woman composer is today's topic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

... and a French woman today with a small body and a great voice whose portrayal of a role with different aspects I enjoyed! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:55, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

I thought of Brian Bouldton today, and his ways to compromise. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:49, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . Your gift was precious then and has become more valuable to me over time. I like to be reminded often of those who have such an impact on my life personally. There is perhaps none more impactful at such a crucial time in my life than you. I only hope I can be a fraction of the same on those I meet. -- A Rose Wolf  11:33, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
 * you make me blush, thank you, - I like to have had impact, but for me, better don't rank - we are an impact-team ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:12, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Growth team newsletter #28
Welcome to the twenty-eighth newsletter from the Growth team! Help with translations



Community configuration 2.0

 * Community Configuration 2.0 is a feature that will enable Wikimedia communities to easily customize and configure features to meet their unique needs. This approach provides non-technical moderators with more independence and control over enabling/disabling and customizing features for their communities.
 * Technical approach and associated tasks are detailed in this Epic task on Phabricator.
 * Initial designs are drafted for two different approaches (see images). We will soon demo interactive prototypes to interested admins, stewards, and experienced editors (T346109). Please let us know if you have feedback on the design approach, or want to participate in prototype testing.

IP Masking

 * The Growth team has been working on several updates to ensure Growth maintained features will be compatible with future IP Masking changes. This work has included code changes to: Recent Changes (T343322), Echo notifications (T333531), the Thanks extension (T345679) and Mentorship (T341390).
 * Before December, the Growth team will initiate community discussions with the goal of migrating communities from Flow to DiscussionTools. This move aims to minimize the necessity for additional engineering work to make Flow compatible with IP Masking. (T346108)

Mentorship

 * We assembled some resources for mentors at Mediawiki wiki. This resource page is translatable and will be linked from the mentor dashboard.
 * We are working to resolve a bug related to mentors properly returning after being marked as "Away". (T347024)
 * Half of newcomers at English Wikipedia get a mentor assigned to them. To ensure every newcomer receives mentorship, we need additional volunteer mentors at English Wikipedia to achieve a 100% coverage rate. We also encourage experienced users from other wikis to help newcomers at their own community.

Scaling Growth features

 * We continue the deployment of the structured task "add a link" to all Wikipedias. We plan to scale the task to all Wikipedias that have link suggestions available by the end of 2023.
 * We plan to scale the new Impact Module to all Wikipedias soon, but first we are investigating a bug with the job that refreshes the Impact Module data. (T344428)
 * At some wikis, newcomers have access to the "add an image" structured task. This task suggests images that may be relevant to add to unillustrated articles. Newcomers at these wikis can now add images to unillustrated articles sections. (T345940) The wikis that have this task are listed under "Images recommendations" at the Growth team deployment table.

Other news

 * We disabled the “add an image” task temporarily (T345188) because there was a failure in the image suggestions pipeline (T345141). This is now fixed.
 * You can read a report about the Growth team’s representation at Wikimania in Singapore here. Growth team members presented two sessions at Wikimania Singapore.
 * After a 2.5 years-long collaboration with Bangala Wikipedia, we have decided to start a collaboration with another wiki. Swahili Wikipedia is now a pilot wiki for Growth experiments.

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Question from A-Neurodivergent-NerdyWeeb (15:52, 23 October 2023)
Hello! I am wanting to edit/add on to a Wikipedia article about an author. It only talks about one of her books and I wanted to add info about another. I have read the Book Duology 4 times and am currently reading it for the fifth. I do not have any resources or websites to cite just my pure knowledge on the book. I know almost everything about it like when it was published, who it was by, the book names, the story, etc. I do not think that is trustworthy enough to people who read the article. Do you know what I should do? --A-Neurodivergent-NerdyWeeb (talk) 15:52, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to my talk page. Can you tell me which author you are referencing? -- A Rose Wolf  17:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * A.L. Tait. A-Neurodivergent-NerdyWeeb (talk) 20:37, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * , I am trying to find the article on the author but haven't been able to by that name. I would say if you are just wanting to add the book to, say, a section on books she has authored then your personal knowledge is fine. The book should be published and therefore available to verify its existence. If you are attempting to add content to the article about or from the book then you may use your personal knowledge of the book but make sure you cite the book properly and use page numbers when doing so WP:CITE. -- A Rose Wolf  10:51, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay, Thank you so Much! A-Neurodivergent-NerdyWeeb (talk) 17:59, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Apparently the Wiki Article was titled ¨Allison Tait¨ (She is referred to as A.L. Tait on all her books).
 * Here is a Link to it if you are still interested
 * Allison Tait
 * or
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_Tait A-Neurodivergent-NerdyWeeb (talk) 14:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)


 * This exchange intrigued me - so I looked into it. The "duology" referred to above is simply a series of two books: The Book of Secrets: The Ateban Cipher by A.L. Tait and The Book of Answers: The Ateban Cipher Book 2 by A.L. Tait. Both are listed on the Allison Tait page. There is a review here and another here but I don't know if there is sufficient material for a full Wikipedia article. What do you think, Asareel? I'm no expert on Australian children's literature and don't know which of the review sites are blogs and which are considered valid reviews. I should point out to that for an article to be considered acceptable for Wikipedia, it should be sourced from reliable independent sites. For books, sources can be drawn from coverage in newspapers, literary journals, radio and TV broadcasts, and reliable critical reviews.--Ipigott (talk) 11:21, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I apologize, I've quite taken leave of my senses., Ian has a great point and I should have posted some important information on your talk page when you first communicated with me. I'll do that right after my reply to Ian's question. I am not an expert on which Australian websites are self-published blogs and which are reputable review sites that are considered reliable. I'm not sure we can create or accept an article based simply on a couple of reviews even if they are reliable. We would need a reliable source giving us in-depth coverage of the material. Why would these two books be more notable than say, any of her others? I would try applying a three source rule to the subject and see if it passes. What are the three most reliable sources that give the subject significant coverage and allow a ready to verify the content contained in a potential article? If that can be provided then I would say an article would be right for inclusion. If not then the most I can see is a redirect to Allison Tait. -- A Rose Wolf  11:49, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi and nice to meet you. I'm one of Asareel's pagestalkers and after noticing this conversation, which also includes, I thought I'd add  as this editor may be able to provide clarification regarding "... which Australian websites are self-published blogs and which are reputable review sites that are considered reliable". Wishing you all the best, --Rosiestep (talk) 12:34, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @A-Neurodivergent-NerdyWeeb and thank you, @Rosiestep, for bringing me into this discussion - much of my editing is in Australian literature. As I understand it, you want to add another heading (similar to The Mapmaker Chronicles – which needs to be updated to 4 titles) for the "Ateban Cipher Novels" and describe both books. I am not familiar with either of the websites suggested by @Ipigott as references, but that doesn't necessarily invalidate them. Reviews of Australian children's books are hard to find. It would be good if one or both of the books had won a book prize but I drew a blank at AustLit, a database maintained by the University of Queensland, which only has the publisher's book blurbs in the descriptions of the work, but the lack of prize wins/nominations doesn't prevent you writing about them in the Allison Tait article. Hope I've been of some help. Oronsay (talk) 20:03, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * In the light of the above, I think that rather than creating an article on the Ateban Cipher books, the best solution would be to update the Allison Tate article. This might satisfy 's interest for better coverage and she might like to propose or make additions. From what I have been able to find, A.L. Tait is an extremely popular children's writer in Australia and has just published another children's book.--Ipigott (talk) 20:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * So sorry for not replying sooner! I had my PSAT only a few weeks ago and had other major tests.  Thank you so much for the help @Ipigott @Oronsay @Rosiestep @ARoseWolf
 * It all helped so much! I am planning on starting my research this weekend since I still am having many tests at school and now have a good idea on how this all works! A-Neurodivergent-NerdyWeeb (talk) 17:05, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Question from A-Neurodivergent-NerdyWeeb (16:15, 23 October 2023)
I forgot to mention you in my last question so I will now @ARoseWolf I messaged you a moment ago and forgot to Mention you so you can see it! --A-Neurodivergent-NerdyWeeb (talk) 16:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC) I am new to editing Wikipedia and have only viewed articles before so I am still figuring all this out. I only just read your Mentor page and learned that I should @ you in a message so sorry I did not in my past message. It should be right before this one on your page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A-Neurodivergent-NerdyWeeb (talk • contribs) 16:22, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . You don't have to tag me on my talk page. I receive a notification. :) -- A Rose Wolf  17:32, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red - November 2023
--Lajmmoore (talk) 08:23, 26 October 2023 (UTC) via MassMessaging

see WP:BLPN
Doug Weller talk 12:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from RubyU235 (18:03, 31 October 2023)
Hi, can you help me understand what occurred here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1121012172

Basically gutted the article. --RubyU235 (talk) 18:03, 31 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to my talk page. I'll try as best I can to explain.  says in their edit summary "gut article for lack of sources and egregiously promotional language." They removed content from the article that did not have a cited reliable source (WP:CITE). They also removed content they felt was too promotional (WP:PUFFERY, WP:NPOV). We should generally avoid promotional language and state simple facts, nothing more, nothing less. What made it worse is all of this or most f this content was unsourced. As a rule, articles with promotional language can simply be rewritten to exclude the offending words or phrases, however, because there are no sources cited we can not verify the content and therefore can not rewrite. Every editor is responsible for the content they edit into the encyclopedia, including rewritten content. Editors are required to make sure the content they add meets all applicable policies. Bbb23 could not simply rewrite the content without verifiable sources. That does not mean the content can not be re-added in neutral rewritten form as long as it is cited to reliable independent sources. I hope this helps explain the edit in a way you understand. Let me know if you need my assistance further. -- A Rose  Wolf  11:14, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Rick Spees
Hey @ARoseWolf, I've completed the requested updates to the Rick Spees draft. It's ready for your review. Thanks. RaeOA90 (talk) 18:40, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Question from CampingEnthusiast (05:59, 2 November 2023)
Hi, What do you think about my new article. --CampingEnthusiast (talk) 05:59, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , hello and welcome to my talk page. I'm going to leave some useful tips on your talk page that will hopefully help you out. Your sandbox article has a lot of good information but is lacking any sources. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Wikipedia doesn't want to know what you know about a subject although what you know will obviously steer you toward topics you wish to edit. Wikipedia is only concerned with what reliable independent sources say (see WP:RS) about a subject. Readers and other editors will be looking for content that is verifiable (see WP:V) and written in a neutral way (see WP:NPOV). Make sure to avoid promotional words and language (see WP:PUFF) and stick to the facts from the sources. We aren't here to sensationalize or promote subjects. The sources tell the story. Be careful and mindful of copyright restrictions. DO NOT copy and paste from sources but write it in your own words (see WP:CV). In short, article creation, when successful, is very difficult and very rewarding. The article you have written in your sandbox isn't quite ready yet and you have to do some additional work to bring it to a point where it can be reviewed but keep going and use the knowledge given to you here to improve what you've written so far. -- A Rose Wolf  10:21, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

November thanks
Thank you for noticing Hevenu shalom aleichem, - my story today. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

I added some images from Aachen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I proudly remember having sung in an oratorio premiere seven years ago OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Beautiful images and stories, . Thank you for taking me with you as you relive those memories. -- A Rose Wolf  16:14, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * More, if you like: today I have three items on the Main page, almost too much of a good thing! Bach's amazing cantata with the unusual scale, first performed 300 years ago OTD, the nun for the prostitutes, and Schumann's wedding gift for Clara. Also first day of vacation pics uploaded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:52, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Today is St. Martin's Day, which stands for sharing. Thank you for sharing your song! Sharing one more day of vacation ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:41, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I began another day, and Rosie put its cat already on her talk ;) - we celebrate the birthday of a friend who wrote quite a book about the compositions of a man who will turn 300 soon. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That day full, and next begun, and Rosie added another cat ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for improving article quality in November! - My story today is a DYK hook from 13 years ago OTD: about the great music at one of my churches. Mozart's Requiem to come on Sunday, coupled with Arvo Pärt's Da pacem Domine, - I guess you might come if it was a bit closer. Perhaps watch the video of our last production, our first on yt, ever. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:39, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh Gerda, I would love to be there just to listen to such a performance. It has been so long since I sat through a live performance, the last had my head full of colors and sounds and voices. Sometimes the beauty is overwhelming for me to point I am overcome with emotions. Music for me is literally my experience and interaction with everything around me. I will watch the video. Thank you. -- A Rose Wolf  19:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! - We just rehearsed, full choir, orchestra tomorrow. - What a story! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ... and it was good, User Talk:Gerda Arendt --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * in memoriam Jerome Kohl who said (In Freundschaft): "and I hope that they have met again in the beyond and are making joyous music together" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

US Mountain West online meeting November 14
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Thanks

 * , very kind of you. Thank you. When a discussion is seeking community involvement to help find remedies to an issue and an opinion is given by a community member in good standing they should not be ridiculed as if their opinion doesn't matter because they are not an admin. That was completely inappropriate of them to do. But I suspect both those users know very little how Wikipedia actually works and that is the main problem. Hopefully they both gain some wisdom from this experience and moved forward productively. Again, thank you for your kind words. Exhibiting kindness towards others is a lifestyle choice connected to the general health of your journey. Remeber to be a Rainbow in someone else's sky today. -- A Rose Wolf  15:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red December 2023
--Lajmmoore (talk) 20:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC) via MassMessaging

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Growth team newsletter #29
Welcome to the twenty-ninth newsletter from the Growth team! Help with translations

Community Conversations
The Growth team will host its first community conversation Monday, 4 December (19:00 - 20:30 UTC). The topic for this meeting will be Mentorship.

This first meeting language will be English, but we plan to host conversations in other languages, and about other topics. Please visit the conversation page on-wiki for the details on how to join. You can also watch the page, or suggest ideas for upcoming conversations there.

Impact Module
At the beginning of November 2023, the Growth team deployed the New Impact Module to all Wikipedias. We recently released a follow up improvement to how edit data was displayed based on editor feedback. 

Add a Link
We released “add a link” to 35 more Wikipedias. 

We have a few Wikipedias remaining:
 * German and English Wikipedia will be contacted at the beginning of January 2024.
 * There are a few small wikis that will not receive the task until they have enough articles for the algorithm to work properly.

Community Configuration

 * We shared Community Configuration 2.0 plans with technical stakeholders. 🖂
 * Initial Community Configuration design ideas have been shared and discussed with community members.
 * A basic Community Configuration 2.0 demo is released on ToolForge.
 * Developers can find some initial proof of concept code shared on gitlab.

Mentorship
When a mentor marked themselves as "Away", they were not getting their name assigned to new accounts when they returned. This has been fixed. 

We improved the message received by newcomers when their mentor quits, to reduce confusion. 

We worked on ensuring that all mentees are assigned to an active mentor. This required reassigning mentees with no mentors to a new mentor. We paused this as the clean-up script confused some editors. We will resume it when the identified blockers are resolved. 

It is now possible to create an Abuse Filter to prevent one user from signing up as a mentor. 

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December music
Thank you for what you do and stand for! I wish you a good festive season and a peaceful New Year! -- I like the pic in my story that I took in April 2022. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Today, I managed to get the pics to snow (on 28 Nov), and heard a lovely concert, after listening to a miracle of meditative dreaming on 6 December (or just click on music). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

... and today, to Paris (29 Nov) with a visit to the Palais Garnier, - to match the story of Medea Amiranashvili, - don't miss listening to her expressive voice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:37, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

My story today is about Michael Robinson, - it's an honour to have known him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Pics up to 3 December, with my shadow in one of them, and a story about Beethoven in memory of his birth. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for what you do and stand for! I wish you a good festive season and a peaceful New Year! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:37, 20 December 2023 (UTC)h

Today, I have a special story to tell, of the works of a musician born 300 years ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:20, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I try to finish uploading images of 2023 before it ends, and reached 17 December. Happy to see Rebekka Habermas on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:00, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

 * Thank you, . I wish for this with all that I am. That violet would become more of prominent color in our Lifesong and our experiences. May the very essence of Peace be with you and in you and through you during this festive season and all throughout the coming year. -- A Rose Wolf  09:11, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy Christmas
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:red; background-color:green; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks"> Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda. Happy Christmas and Best wishes for a peaceful 2024. "Csordapásztorok" Ring-a-ling-a-ling-a-ding-dong-ding! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:52, 18 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Very kind of you, . Thank you for the well wishes. Right now it's turning out to be a very balmy holiday season at -8°F. I hope you have a very blessed holiday as well. May life, love, joy, opportunities, health, peace and wisdom come your in droves in 2024. -- A Rose Wolf  12:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much. Droves always welcome! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:24, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy holidays

 * Thank you, . Your message is very sweet, friend. -- A Rose Wolf  14:53, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red January 2024
--Lajmmoore (talk) 20:19, 28 December 2023 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Season's greetings
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Happy New Year 2024!

 * Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Happy New Year elves}} to send this message

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