User talk:A Jalil

Media of Morocco
Hi Jalil. Thanks for your help on Moroccan media-retaled articles. Still more should be done. You can also visit List of Morocco-related topics. -- Szvest 00:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC) Wiki me up ®
 * Hi Fayssal, it is my pleasure. Much more needs to be done.--A Jalil 00:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You can add your name and participate ino WikiProject Morocco and make suggestions when you are free. -- Szvest 00:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Jalil, how can one contact you? Send me an email please. Thanks wikima 11:00, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikima, I did.--A Jalil 15:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:RM
Did you even read this page? It says, in bold:
 * "Do not discuss moves on this page"

Please stop it. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 20:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Morocco mediation
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Requests for mediation/Morocco, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.


 * While I didn't write the above I implore you to agree to this mediation as it would be almost impossible for Justin to get his case agreed to he has no consesus. If we don't agree to this he will start complaing about you being uncoperative which will be no help at all. Cheers, Aussie King Pin 11:12, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: History of Western Sahara
Wow Did you read the discussion on talk? What are you doing, Jalil? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 22:13, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Green March/Greater Morocco
What? I'm guessing that you'll totally ignore me again, but why and how are you claiming that the Greater Morocco ideology has nothing to do with the Green March. What was the justification if not Greater Morocco? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 22:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay If your thesis is correct, then why is it you didn't add anything about Spain and just blind reverted again? Plus, you didn't actually prove that there is no association between the two; clearly, there is. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 22:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The Green March was decided to put pressure on Spain to start negotiations, and when Spain accepted, the marchers were ordered to return when only a fraction of them crossed less than 10 Km inside WS.--A Jalil 22:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay again This still does not mean that it is unrelated to the Greater Morocco ideology. Also, you removed a reference that is consistent with your last claim. Why? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 22:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Foreign relations of Western Sahara
That's it You've clearly disregarded discussion, and I'm taking this to RfC. We'll see if other people find scholarship convincing versus random assertions based on Arabicnews.com. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 21:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You koavf have closed yor ears and eyes on anything else than Hodges books. They are the only credible sources for you, even though Hodges is openly pro-Polisarian and is for the independence of Western Sahara.--A Jalil 21:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Whatever Jalil, you're not even willing to read it, so who's eyes and ears are closed? ArabicNews.com is clearly biased against the Polisario; should I just reject them out of hand? The issue is not where the biases lie - every source has biases - but what the truth is. If you don't like Hodges biases, that's totally irrelevant; you need to prove that he's unreliable, which you haven't and can't, since his book represents the best scholarship on the issue. If you want to prove him wrong, do better academic research than him. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 21:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Western Sahara flag / coat-of-arms
Hi A Jalil,
 * ''Hi, you have been inserting the country infobox with flag and coat of arms on Western Sahara...

Thanks for your message; per here, I've now removed the flag and coat-of-arms from the infobox. Hope this is okay, David Kernow (talk) 11:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Morocco Mediation
Given that no one has replied to the mediation within the last 17 days, I am closing it as being stale. From a cursory glance, it appears to me that mediation is no longer needed. However, if this is not the case, then you are more than welcome to file a new case. Thanks. On behalf of the Mediation Committee, ^ demon [omg plz] 16:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Morocco/Western Sahara map?
So what's wrong with the maps I putted into the infobox??? -- Escondites talk 20:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't see anything wrong with the WS map. Regarding Morocco, please check the talk page for details. (Sorry to reply here, I'm in a rush). Asterion talk 20:22, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * For the WS map, it is better because it is an SVG file, and there's no real difference between the new and the old one, except that the new one has a better quality!-- Escondites talk 13:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

RE: North/ern Africa
Hello. No: Western Sahara is not a bona fide state, but the UN definitely acknowledges its presence in its list of territories/regions, and the map depicts it clearly. A territory can refer to any area and, regardless of Western Sahara's status (I'm not debating this), is significant enough to be listed. Thus ... Corticopia 02:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and edit the description to reflect a more neutral perspective, then -- I only contend that WS should be listed with the six other major territories ... states, with note that it is not a state but 'disputed'. Corticopia 02:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Great -- thanks! Corticopia 03:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Response from my talk: "Blind reverting"

 * Oh stop it. I have not been "blindly" reverting anything, I have been reverting some rather stark POV edits, a few by you and a few by Wikima -- you should equally well consider why it is only Wikipedia's most committed Moroccan-nationalist editors that tend to have problems on these articles... Most of my WP-time has been spent working on Algerian and Mauritanian subjects, not on Morocco-Western Sahara, and thus outside of your scope of interest. Interestingly, I haven't had any conflicts there. Arre 16:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * This is so silly I ... well, whatever. If that's the level you want to be on.
 * (1) Feel free to put the poetry back into Allal al-Fassi, for, as I think you know: that was not what I objected to in your edit. It had something to do with borders and whitewashing dictatorship: look and you shall find.
 * (2) As for Algerian borders, there are certainly differences of opinion as to exactly which areas and demarcation lines this would imply. Again, hardly the big issue.
 * (3) Algeria articles: There could be problems with nationalist conspiracy nutcases on Algeria articles too, but there aren't. Or, actually, there was once, with some rabidly aggressive anti-Berber guy. I'm sure you two would've gotten along fine -- you have the same, je ne sais quoi, style, perhaps, of editing.
 * (4) As for me being the Algerian government's paid agent on Wikipedia, it's actually the Elders of Zion who pay me, but good guess.
 * Arre 02:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Please see Portal_talk:Western_Sahara/Western_Sahara_lists
Confounded I'm lost as to your insistence on including this link to a disambiguation page. Could you please explain there? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 15:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Blind reverting
Please stop Please stop blind reverting my edits (e.g. on the Sahara conflict template and the links page listed above.) There is no point to it and it's only going to escalate things. If you have an intelligible reason to change things, you can at least post on talk. If this doesn't stop, we'll have to seek mediation or arbitration on the relevant articles; I'm not going to edit-war with you. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 15:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The first thing you did after the unblock is to start reverting edits by dozens of editors to the miserable state they were when you left. If you want to restart the edit-warring coupled with empty lengthy discussions, I think the people who believed you would be useful again will soon find they were mistaken. Discuss instead of reverting, and no one has plenty of time to engage in those usual lengthy diatribes.--A Jalil 16:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Miserable? Name one article that is miserable due to my edits. How is the Sahara conflict template miserable due to my editing, and how did blind reverting make it not miserable? It's funny you should write "discuss instead of reverting," since that is exactly what you were not doing and I was admonishing you to do. If you want, we can carry on this conversation on this talk. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 16:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Flag template
Why? Why did you break the flag template? Did you even read the talk or the page itself? Why would you put a map on the flag template? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 17:23, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I removed the flag of SADR from the WS related template because it does not belong there. Western Sahara does not have a flag.--A Jalil 17:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does See Flag of Western Sahara. Even if that wasn't true, you ignored my simple and direct question: why would you put a map in a flag template? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 17:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I answered you but you don't read: Western Sahara does not have a flag. There should not be a flag template for Western Sahara in the first place.--A Jalil 17:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This is ridiculous Okay, so why would you insert a map? This is the third time I've asked you, Jalil. How does that make any sense? If it shouldn't have a flag template, there are ways to go about it, but this is not one of them. If you keep on editing like this, we'll have to seek mediation or some kind of admin action from WP:Point. If you can present a rational case for inserting a map into a flag template, please do, and I'll join you. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 17:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * For the n:th time I will repeat again: Western Sahara does not have a flag. There should not be a flag template for Western Sahara in the first place. So it should not have a flag template. Please call on admins to look at this, I am not wasting more time on it.--A Jalil 17:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Repeat away Repeat as you like, I've made my point: you shouldn't arbitrarily put maps in flag templates. I don't need to have an admin look into it, unless you keep on reverting. You are the one who apparently has the issue with the template as it is. If you keep on inserting maps into flag templates, then I will ask for an admin to assist. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 17:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

What do you think about this administrator intervention? Now, the Template:Country data Western Sahara page is protected. And User:Andrwsc didn't give any serious explanation in order to justify his delayed action. --Juiced lemon 10:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Sahara Conflict template
Why? I would like you to justify why you claim that the Spanish Empire reference is "ridiculous" when it it obviously applicable, and why you deleted some clearly relevant links to the Greater Morocco ideology and the Intifadas. Feel free to do so here or on the talk there. If you keep on blind-reverting back and forth, I'll have to seek some kind of intervention on this page. Notice on the talk there, I've left several posts that you've ignored. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 19:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * First, it is miserable to see that Colonial with a capital C is pro-Morocco POV. Even Spaniards consider those wars and that period as Colonial.
 * The regions occupied by Spain during the Colonial period were not legally part of the Spanish Empire, but part of Spanish Morocco, to distinguish it from the part of Morocco that was under French Colonial rule. So the territory in question is Spanish Morocco not the Spanish Empire.
 * The term intifada is used to mean a popular uprising of the population on a daily basis and with a an important number of participants, as was the case with the Palestinian intifada. What was happening in Layoune is sporadic riots by less than 40 people in a very small part of Layoune, Maatallah suburb. The riots happen once in couple of months, and with sometimes even less than 10 persons. That does not qualify as an intifada and should not be part of the template.
 * As to some admin's intervention, I am more than happy with that.
 * Again, the talk pages on Western Sahara are and should be no different from other articles. write your input and wait for others to give their view. No one has plenty of time to be sitting all the time in front of the PC to answer you immediately.--A Jalil 20:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * What?
 * What on earth does your first point have to do with anything?
 * See Spanish Empire. What do you mean they weren't legally a part of the Spanish Empire? Weren't they under the authority of the king?
 * These intifadas are still ongoing and you're redefining the term "intifada" to exclude them. Clearly, they are relevant, aren't they?
 * Okay.
 * Okay. I don't know what you want me to say to something like that. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 20:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I explained my reverts. Regards, - Francis Tyers · 11:24, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

SADR/Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic
I renamed the flag image to Image:Flag of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic.svg because, to us Americans, SADR means a lot of things and I didn't want to confuse anyone with the file name. Please try and use this from now on. Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

ANI
I have brought up the disruptive editing of you, Wikima, and Koavf here. Picaroon (t) 23:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you there?
Hi Jalil. I see you have reduced your time editing and would like to assure you that your help is needed to make better quality articles. Please give some ideas on how to work on that. Or you can still name a few areas using a list of a few lines. Please reply via talk page or email as you see fit. -- FayssalF  -  Wiki me up®  21:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Fayssal. I have been away because I was (and am still) very busy in my work. There are many articles that I will bring up to you to look at, when I have more time. Thanks for trying to end this mess happening in the WS articles. --A Jalil (talk) 09:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

image:Flag of Western Sahara.svg
Western Sahara is an area under dispute with Morocco and SADR, The currently flag is SADR flag, WS don't have flag.


 * This has been with purpose and presents a clear abuse of Wikipedia for pro-polisario activits propaganda.
 * However, further to a neutral point of view, both, Western Sahra and "SADR" are two diferent things
 * The "SADR" is an exiled republic or government which is based in Algeria and which claims Western Sahara
 * Western Sahra is the disputed territory.
 * The flag, coat of arms etc apply to the first one, the "SADR". Western Sahara as disputed territory has no flag and such things.
 * It is mostly administrated by Morocco. In this sense the flag that is effectively and mostly used for Western Sahara would be rather the Moroccan one.
 * But this would not be neutral as a neutral point of view does not recognise the sovereignty of Morocco nor the so called "SADR" (position of the UN or the European Union for instance).
 * Morocco is however recognised as the administrating power in the territory.
 * Sadly this is not the case in Wikipedia. Western Sahara is widely presented as a country, a state etc..

The Flag of SADR must be here: (Image:Flag of Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic.svg)

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Western_Sahara.svg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_talk:Flag_of_Western_Sahara.svg

Vispec (talk) 17:27, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Re Morocco page, etc
Jalil mate, you may have some interest in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#The_19th_block_ever_-_Request_for_a_serious_topic_ban.2Fban_for_a_former_community_banned_edit-warrior Regarding Koavf under discussion for topic (Morocco, WS) or site ban, as you voted last time. I was just in a dispute with him (Koavf) so I feel disqualified, but perhaps you should comment regarding the history. (collounsbury (talk) 13:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC))

Join WikiProject Western Sahara Neutrality!
Hello A Jalil. I noticed you were interested in Western Sahara. So please come to the new WikiProject Western Sahara Neutrality! Please quit the other Western Sahara project. Thanking you in advance. Moroccan Sahara (talk) 21:22, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Flag of Western Sahara
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "Flag of Western Sahara". Thank you. --  Night w   07:54, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Comments requested at Flag of Western Sahara
Hello - Your comment is requested over at Talk:Flag of Western Sahara; there is an RfC underway there to help decide what the article contents should be. If you can take some time to share your opinion on the matter, it would be very much appreciated. --Tachfin (talk) 09:47, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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