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Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 10:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Karl Dönitz's name
You said on the talk page that the name sounds like it has an r in it. I've done some research and I'm not sure that's right. Goebbel's name is frequently mispronounced as though it had an r but my Proffessor at school (who speaks German) says that it should be Goo-bbels with no r sound. Shouldn't the same be for Karl Dönitz? Emperor001 (talk) 01:43, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I am not a native German speaker, although I have learned some humble utterances (along with the standard rules behind their enunciation). Typically, whenever an umlaut is encountered above an "o", as a diacritic, the vowel is indistinguishable from the "ur"-phoneme you would find in a name like Curtis; having the symbol above other graphemes such as "a" or "u" begets a modified sound as well. For example, when the mark is placed over an "a" to yield "ä", the resultant tone appears as "date" is spoken instead of "dot". If Karl Dönitz is virtually spoken by an online translator, one can hear the usage of the system I've perorated about here. Unfortunately, because I currently have only a limited grasp on the German language, I'm not certain as to whether that is an erratum derived from the program's misapplication of a general guideline to a specific exception or not. I think you should inquire further to your professor (citing the explanation presented here), to ensure he is cognizant of the peculiar case, and now I feel a yearning to converse at length with my German instructor—if only I was still enrolled in his school. Of course, there are many phonetic variations of famous names which develop once an individual gains international prominence, Einstein being a perfect circumstance. In Deutschland (our subject's mother country), the second syllable is pronounced "shtine", the common verbalization in almost every German-speaking nation. In the English-speaking world, however, we all omit the proper "sh" before the "t" used in the German language with the "st" diphthong, universally vocalized with words such as street, "Straße" ("shtrasa"). I sincerely appreciate your interest in this matter, and would be delighted to learn of future findings through your next response. —Aaagmnr (talk) 18:18, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I found one question and answer website about Goebbel's name which has the same pronunciation issue. Apparently the o with a mark over it makes a sound that doesn't exist in the English languages, so many Anglicize the pronunciation to Doonitz, Doenitz, Durnitz and Goebbels, Gurbbels, Goobbels, etc.  The closes sound we have, if I understand correctly, is similar to a uh sound.  For example, when I looked up an old Nazi newsreel, his name sounded like it was pronounced Guhbbels.  Emperor001 (talk) 04:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

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