User talk:Aaron/Archive 1

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WVHU
The page has been deleted as a copyvio if you'd like to recreate it. Normally, if you want to rewrite a page tagged as a copyvio, there's a link on the notice to a temporary subpage where you can write your article -- as soon as the page is deleted an admin will move your page from that subpage to replace it. .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 23:39, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Ducks in a pram day
The idea of "Ducks in a pram day" actually came from a discussion here. Yes, it is sort of silly, but the idea behind it is just to promote a more positive editing environment on Wikipedia. Did you smile when you saw it? :-)

It is certainly not an admin thing; you can add the image to your page as well and join in the fun. There isn't anything more to it. I'm not sure about the coolness part though - I think the username "Aaron" sounds great just the way it is, although if you use "DuckInAPram", some people will get the inside joke. Hope this helps! --HappyCamper 12:18, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the ducks in a pram is something of an in-joke; I think SPUI started it (warning: ugliest page on Wikipedia, and not for the faint of heart). A friend of mine happened to come by and vandalize my page in the spirit of... um... something. No, you don't have to own your own pram. Or your own duck. Both are available for rental for extremely reasonable rates. (Myself, I Want a New Duck.) As for partaking of duck, I recommend it, especially with a side of applesauce, but this one's stuffing is a bit dry. Oh, and if you change your nick, people will confuse you with SPUI. Always here to help, Mindspillage (spill yours?) 03:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Alleged Copyrighted images
Then delete them if you have an issue with them, or pull the off the page. THEN I will go find replacements. Also, Don't post on my talk page again without signing the post. Remember? --~ --munboy 22:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Your two suggestions about summarily deleting the images or removing them from the page would be in violations of Wikipedia policy. These were my first two image copyvio reports ever, and I followed the instructions about reporting copyvio images to the letter, which includes the explicit instruction "Please also add Image:ImageName to the image uploader's talk page." It does not say to sign the template. Thus, that is exactly what I did in your case. In fact, I even went to the trouble of checking two other recent image copyvio reports from today to see whether other editors usually sign such templates, and in both cases they were not signed:


 * Image:Needle and wheel.jpg on User_talk:Zerocard13.
 * Image:Winter.jpg on User_talk:Jrod_07.


 * However, due to your post above, I asked for clarification on #Wikipedia, and the admins and editors there told me that a) I probably should have signed it anyway, and b) not having done so put me, as one admin stated, "5% in the wrong." So I apologize for having not signed them, but otherwise I do not see where I have in any way acted outside of standard Wikipedia principles in this matter. I will always sign such templates in the future, and am now off to suggest that the WP:COPY page directions be altered, so that there will no longer be any confusion on this issue. Aaron 23:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Update: Proposal has been made. Aaron 03:11, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Update: Without objection, I have edited the template in question to prevent any further such incidents. --Aaron 23:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Sago
Hi Aaron --

We seem to be in conflict over the Sago article. Please see my latest response to you on the talk page. Thanks,

Sdedeo (tips) 15:04, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Response made on Sdedeo's user talk page. We're no longer in conflict. --Aaron 23:55, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Fox News
thank you for spending the time reverting the POV vandal so I don't have to do it all the time. appreciate it. RonMexico 14:40, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * You're quite welcome. Notice he just outed himself as being an intentional POV vandal on the FNC talk page. I'm trying to find an admin to take a look at the problem. --Aaron 14:50, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Esperanza!
Welcome,, to Esperanza, the Wikipedia member association! As you might know, all the Esperanzians share one important goal: the success of this encyclopedia. Within that, we then attempt to strengthen the community bonds, and be the "approachable" side of the project. All of our ideals are held in the Charter, the governing document of the association.

Now that you are a member you should read the guide to what to do now or you may be interested in some of our programs. A quite important program is the StressUnit, which seeks to support editors who have encountered any stress from their Wikipedia events, and are seeking to leave the project. So far, Esperanza can be credited with the support and retention of several users. Redwolf24 runs the spam to keep members up to date. Also, we have a calendar of special events, member birthdays, and other holidays that you can add to and follow.

In addition to these projects, several more missions of Esperanza are in development, and are currently being created at Esperanza/Possibles.

I encourage you to take an active voice in the running of Esperanza. We have a small government system, headed by our Administrator general, Celestianpower, and guided by the Advisory Committee comprised of FireFox, Flcelloguy, Titoxd, and Karmafist. The next set of elections will be in February, and I would be glad to see you vote, or even consider running for a position.

If you have any other questions, concerns, comments, or general ideas, Esperanzian or otherwise, know that you can always contact Celestianpower by email or talk page or the Esperanza talk page. Alternatively, you could communicate with fellow users via our IRC channel, #wikipedia-esperanza (which is also good for a fun chat or two :). I thank you for joining Esperanza, and look forward to working with you in making Wikipedia a better place to work! ➨ ❝ R e  DVERS ❞ 13:47, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

re:Signing the unsigned
Hi Aaron, I missed your message until just now. Sorry. I don't know how familiar you are with some of this, so I will put explain it all. I apologize if this is too basic. I used the unsigned template. If you aren't familiar with templates, see help:template. Quoting from that page:
 * In MediaWiki, a template is a page which can be inserted into another page via a process called transclusion. It is comparable to a subroutine.

The unsigned template works like this: (cur) (last) 09:04, July 3, 2005 Patrick (do not divide a sentence, putting one half in a box) (cur) (last) 08:56, July 3, 2005 84.121.3.154
 * 1)  Go to the history tab of the page where there is an unsigned edit and locate the unsigned edit in question. You will see something like this:
 * 1)  Let's say User:Patrick is the unsigned post.  I would then copy the timestamp and name "09:04, July 3, 2005 Patrick" to my copy buffer.
 * 2)  Now click on the edit tab and put the following text after Patrick's edit (on the same line):
 * Note that your have to reverse the order of the user id and timestamp

That will just about do it. After you have familiarized yourself with templates, you might notice the subst feature. That is an option to copy the template text into the page permanantly instead of when the page is rendered. So in the above example, if you instead did this: Patrick You wouldn't see the template when you look at the wikitext for the page, but the substituted text.

If You have any other questions, please ask. --rogerd 06:05, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

CNN
Well, it seems he hasn't made many more reverts (if any at all) in the last few days so there's nothing I can do, sorry. --Cel e stianpower háblame 20:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If you give me a list of differences then I can check them for you if you like. --Cel e stianpower háblame 20:39, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
I don't have a fancy layout like other new admins, but I just want to thank you for your support at my RfA. It passed 48/3/1, so I have officially been promoted. I hope I won't let you down. If I'm not doing something properly, please tell me. Aecis Mr. Mojo risin' 21:26, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza!
Hi Aaron!

Esperanza is actually quite busy! You just happened to join about 2 days after a peak of busyness and have caught the trough that followed...

The majority of the discussions at Wikipedia talk:Esperanza are still live. The one with the most interest at the moment is the Admin Coaching proposal. AFAIK, this applies only to new admins, but it could do with someone to propose that people who would one day fancy being admins being included so that those people could be brought up to speed in advance (rather than stumbling about after being elected).

There is a serious (and I mean serious) debate going on at Esperanza/NPA Reform and its talk page about how EA could reform the No Personal Attacks policy to be clearer.

We recently merged with Stressbusters - Esperanza/Stressbusters. They do good works on trying to de-stress people. You could get involved there, or just ask people what ideas they have for you to do to reduce the stress of others.

We have a nice email mailing list. Enable email on your account here, then send an email to this cool chap quoting your e-address and sign up. It's not high volume but it has some very interesting threads. It's on Google Groups, so when you've signed up and registered with Google, you can see the back-catalogue. Feel free to use a Hotmail or Yahoo! throwaway email address if you want to keep a degree of anonymity. You can even sign up for one not in your own country (I live in Belgium and England, but email from Ireland!).

As you already know, Esperanza/Possibles welcomes new ideas as well as comments from EA members.

Like everything else, Esperanza is what its members make of it. You can be active and everywhere or sit back and observe and everything inbetween. You just need to leap in! If Esperanza is quiet, that's because its members are busy working on the encyclopedia (or, possibly, sleeping, half the world being in darkness and the 'pedia being a 24-hour operation!).

However  if you're just at a bit of a loss for something to do to fill an hour or so, there are some cool jobs on the 'pedia you can do in a jiffy! The easiest is to start pressing the "Random article" Special:Random button on the side bar. Keep pressing it until you see an article with a spelling, grammar or layout mistake, correct it and save! Or you might get an article on a subject you know about and are interested in - open that and clean it up and condense it! You might see short articles that need you to add a stub tag to them; or cruddy articles that can't be cleaned up by a human and really need to go to AfD. All of these are great "boredom" jobs, for when you've got nothing new in your head but still want to be involved. Best of all, if you do what you think is a great job, or a series of minor but very useful jobs, you can boast about it on the EA mailing list in Fridays: Blow-Your-Own-Trumpet Day (this was something I invented yesterday having had a really good week and needing to tell people about it!).

Finally, if you're really desperate, go to Special:Contributions/Redvers, visit any article I've worked on in the past few days and clean up the spelling and the grammar. I won't be offended and you'll have done the 'pedia a favour. Go on, Be Bold! Contact me if any of the above was doubledutch and you want help, pointers or advice. I'm secretly a nice person :) ➨ ❝ R e  DVERS ❞ 21:42, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!!
Here's hoping your birthday is a great one.-- Dakota ~  ε  09:10, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


 * HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Essjay Talk • Contact 02:08, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Happy birthday!! --King of All the Franks 06:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Happy belated birthday! I hope you had a wonderful day. --F a ng Aili 13:37, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey big guy...
Your user page says you're pretty stressed. Anything I can do to help? Just let me know. See ya. -- LV (Dark Mark)  01:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, you may respond either place if you wish. It all depends on the editor. Some people like to keep the discussion together, and others want responses on their page, so they get the orange massage bar. Me personally, don't care one way or another, but think it might be easier to know if the other person has responded by using both pages. Regarding Esperanza and proposals... there are a large number of editors who are members of EA, but don't watch those pages. So it's likely it fell through the cracks. And not a lot of people comment there anyway. To get involved, have you joined any Wikiprojects? One might suit your interests. Also, you can always check out WP:RFA, WP:VP, or WP:JIMBO for almost constant discussion. Just keep your chin up, and I'm sure you'll do fine. Not everything involves fighting though. Just go about your business and try to be civil and seek consensus. People will respect you. Well, if you have any other questions, or just ever need someone to talk to, my talk page is always open, or you can always email me. See you around. -- LV (Dark Mark)  21:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

WHCP-TV and The CW
WHCP-TV needs to stay off the list of CW stations for now, as they are NOT confirmed yet. Read the article you linked to again. Right now, ONLY the Tribune and CBS Corp. stations are definitely on the list - every one else, no matter how sure they appear to be about their future affiliation, has yet to sign an affiliation agreement. TheRealFennShysa 20:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Please see the CW talk page regarding this. Thanks. --Aaron 20:42, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

3RR reporting
Hello, next time you report a 3RR violation, please use diffs (by clicking the "last" link next to items in the edit history so we can see the changes clearly). Thank you.  howch e  ng   {chat} 23:39, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


 * A belated apology for this; I usually know to use diffs; it just slipped my mind this time for some reason. -Aaron 03:05, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Plusboxen
I hereby award you forty points. It's a bit like Whose Line Is It Anyway around here, so the points don't matter, but this does:

Thanksly muchly. 12.72.244.198 11:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

3RR block
Sorry, but per WP:3RR, "In the cases where multiple parties violate the rule, administrators should treat all sides equally." Here are the reverts that I'm citing (yes, they were reported by User:TheRealFennShysa):
 * 1) 12:08, 25 January 2006
 * 2) 12:36, 25 January 2006
 * 3) 12:51, 25 January 2006
 * 4) 12:56, 25 January 2006

Again, I quote WP:3RR: "Reverting doesn't only mean taking a previous version from history and editing that. It means undoing the actions of another editor, and may include edits that undo a previous edit, in whole or in part, or that add something new."  howch e  ng   {chat} 21:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Howcheng, please recheck the supposed "4th revert." That was merely me making a second edit to the page as I had already edited it, not a 4th revert of anything done by User:TheRealFennShysa. The only reason they were even two separate edits was because I wanted to make sure I properly reinstated the third user's additions to the page. A look at the history of the page in question will see that I have not touched it at all since I made the original 3RR report; indeed, as I write this, the page is still TheRealFennShysa's version, save for a few minor copyedits made by others ... I have specifically stayed away from that page so as not to break 3RR myself. I'd appreciate it if you'd give this a second look. Thanks, --Aaron 22:12, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


 * It's borderline whether you broke 3RR or not, but in the spirit of "neither of you are working towards a consensus" then I decided to apply blocks equally (yours just came 24 hours later).  howch e  ng   {chat} 22:58, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Adding this for my own future reference: Howcheng's block was removed as improper per my evidence above (my so-called "fourth revert" was no such thing) by Illyanep at approximately 02:17, 27 January 2006 (UTC). --Aaron 03:04, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * FYI Ilyanep simply disagreed with my block. There was no "ruling" per se of impropriety. Admins do have a bit of leeway in applying personal discretion.  howch e  ng   {chat} 07:34, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm quite aware of the leeway, as well as the problems it causes users. In any event, you're entitled to your opinion as to Ilyanep's reasoning, I'm entitled to mine, and I consider the matter closed. I only noted it here so that if someone comes along a year from now looking for dirt (if, for some bizarre reason, I get nominated for something), they won't be able to jump on this incident as "proof" of anything. --Aaron 07:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Google group/mailing list
I'd like to sign up for the Esperanza mailing list/Google group thingy, but User:Flcelloguy seems to be on a break. Is there any other way for me to get in, or is he the only gatekeeper? Not a big deal, but I'm an impatient SOB. *bangs on the window* I know you're in there! --Aaron 17:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I can. You hasve to apply and then I'll accept you ;). --Cel e stianpower háblame 17:30, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've moved this to your talk page, here is the link I think you can request for sign up here :-D. Esperanza google groups Knowledge Of Self | talk  17:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks to you both! I've put in my request. --Aaron 18:54, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

A Math Trail at Mills College
Hi Aaron,

You have deleted the "A Math Trail at Mills College", I have already left a Note in "Articles fo deletion" page,

This is NOT a copyright violation, I have got the document for its author; He owns all the rights to this document and has agreed to put it in Wikkipedia (I have already sent him the GNU Free Documentation License).

He has also created some other math trails in several cities world wide and I hope we can get all of them to Wiki.

Tara Emami 19:40, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Tara. I've responded on your user talk page. Perhaps we can save this article. --Aaron 19:59, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks Aaron, I understand your concerns and appreciate your efforts,

Rush Limbaugh
Thank you for your note on Limbaugh. Just a reminder that the addition to the information was and is quite neutral. The information provided is found in the same material that is noted to show Limbaugh's football injury. If you look over my contributions, you will see that, regardless of beliefs, I do make it a point to make sure to remain neutral.Rsm99833

WP:VIP
Hey, I just wanted to let you know that I removed your notice on IP: 67.188.10.150 From WP:VIP. WP:VIP is for IP addresses that are static (don't change) and vandalize over a long period of time (after several temporary blocks). If the user starts back up again, report him to WP:AIV (Administrator intervention against vandalism) and they will block when they can, and be sure to warn the users on their talk pages before reporting to the administrators.

Just a friendly reminder :-) -- light darkness  05:38, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

On congressional staffers
I agree with what you say (going through the roof). I'm trying to build a comprehensive list of the edits as well as waiting for sockpuppet checks. I'm afraid too because you never know what may happen if you make certain people angry :/ .. I noticed you changed my sig.... please read this regarding the sig and server load issues: User_talk:Αchille. Thanks, &mdash;This user has left wikipedia 17:24 2006-01-29


 * Yeah, I'm trying to tell myself I'm worrying too much about that IP address, and it's just a run-of-the-mill vandal, but deep down I've got a really bad feeling about it. This is one of those times I'm glad I'm not an admin. Sorry for changing your sig; when I saw that giant box around it I thought you had used a template to sign by mistake and I was cleaning up a typo. After looking at your talk page, I have to admit I have no idea what the technical issues are you're trying to work out, but I wish you well with it! --Aaron 17:36, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

An Esperanzial note
As I remember, the last spam that was handed out was on the 20th of December last year, so I think it's time for another update. First and foremost, the new Advisory Council and Administrator General have been elected. They consist of myself as Admin General and FireFox, Titoxd, Flcelloguy and Karmafist as the Advisory Council. We as a group met formally for the first time on the 31st of Decembe. The minutes of this meeting can be found at WP:ESP/ACM. The next one is planned for tonight (Sunday 29 January) at 20:30 UTC and the agenda can be found at WP:ESP/ACM2.

In other news, Karmafist has set up a discussion about a new personal attack policy, which it can be found here. Other new pages include an introductory page on what to do when you sign up, So you've joined Esperanza... and a welcome template: EA-welcome (courtesy of Bratsche). Some of our old hands may like to make sure they do everything on the list as well ;) Additionally, the userpage award program proposal has become official is operational: see Esperanza/User Page Award to nominate a userpage or volunteer as a judge. Also see the proposed programs page for many new proposals and old ones that need more discussion ;)

Other than that, I hope you all had a lovely Christmas and wish you an Esperanzially good new WikiYear :D Thank you! --Cel e stianpower háblame 16:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

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WP:ESP/AC
Hello! Thanks for signing up in Esperanza's Admin Coaching program. It's been a long queue, I know, but I've assigned JoanneB and Mailer diablo as your coaches. You should contact them directly for more instructions, but feel free to ask me any questions otherwise. Thanks for participating! By the way, excellent job with the Congress IP incident! Tito xd (?!? - help us) 23:51, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi ... I haven't heard from JoanneB or Mailer diablo yet, so I'll drop them notes on their respective talk pages. And thank you for noticing my work on the Congress IP incident! I was beginning to think it was all for nothing! --Aaron 02:13, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

My RFA
Hi, thanks for participating in my RfA discussion. Unfortunately, my fellow Wikipedians have decided at this time that I am not suitable to take on this additional responsibility, as the RfA failed with a result of 66/27/5 (71.0% support). If you voted in support of my request, thank you! If you decided to oppose me at this time, then I hope that if I do choose to reapply in the future, the effort I will make in the meantime to improve and expand my contributions to Wikipedia may persuade you to reconsider your position. All the best, Proto t c 10:29, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Removing images
I see that you're removing suspected copyvio images from the Mohammed cartoons pages. I think this is going a bit far on a page which already has its problems.... I'm not going to revert your edits, but I would think it might be better to resolve this at WP:CP before removal: there is an arguable fair use, and anything which keeps the temperature down on the page in question must be welcome. Physchim62 (talk) 01:08, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you have a good point. You can revert them if you'd like while I let WP:CP deal with the underlying issue; I won't mind. --Aaron 01:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Stressed?
Cheer up. It happens to all of us. I guess we just have to sigh and move on or get help. You got any problems you bring them to me &mdash; Ilyan  e  p  (Talk)  02:17, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

My code of honour
Please understand: administrators are just like any other editor, and must behave like normal editors, and have the same behavioural constraints, just that get block and delete buttons. Don't be scared and assume you will be block if you dispute my actions. First, my code of administrative honour dictates that I will not block people I am in disputes with, and secondly, I did think you acted in good faith. I just didn't think you knew about the fair use issue, which is a circumstance in which people can use intellectual property because it has a special role in the public eye (as in this case of the controversy) and that it doesn't degrade intellectual property rights significantly because it is being used for commentary and impacts opinion as a whole. That is why I believe it was fair use, and I removed the copyvio message. Not many people study law anyway, and I didn't know about fair use before I joined Wikipedia, so just to inform you that nothing is wrong. :-) Elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (Be eudaimonic!) 02:56, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

SQL request
143.231.249.141 is the only ip that has edited from 143.231.*, not including deleted edits. As for 156.33.*, see User:Phroziac/156.33.0.0/16 ips that have edited --Phroziac. o ºO (♥♥♥♥ chocolate!) 16:05, 4 February 2006 (UTC) (copied from RFCU)

Requests for adminship/Femto
At Requests for adminship/Femto I wrote "over the past 6 months" in my nomination, but I made a mistake and should have written "over the past year and 6 months". I apologize for my mistake. --unforgettableid | talk to me 06:38, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Don't leave!
Hey Aaron, don't leave, your proposal at Esperanza might have been overshadowed by the recent Esperanza/Coffee lounge and the Esperanza/User Page Award. Try posting your proposal on the Esperanza/Proposals talk page to get it back out into the open. Please come back! Knowledge Of Self | talk  01:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure what made you feel like you couldn't do anything without being reverted, but hopefully that's not true. Just calm down for a bit. Go outside and relax, have some fun, then come back here. People will listen. I'll listen. As for your admin coaches, it seems they haven't been very active recently, but I'll still have a talk with them. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 02:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Bummer.. I don't know your reasons for leaving, but I'm sorry to see you go. Perhaps after a break you'll come back. :) --F a ng Aili 04:49, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Please accept my sincere apologies for the late reply to your message, having getting too carried away at Articles for deletion. I'd really feel bad if you do leave because of this. :( I'll get you started very soon, promise! - Mailer Diablo 16:07, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Aaron, I'm very sorry about not getting back to you. I've had a family emergency (my grandmother was very ill and passed away yesterday), so I've been offline for a couple of days. I hope you're still interested in the admin coaching, I was looking forward to it! If you are, drop me a note, and the three of us will get in touch to find out the best way to do this! --Joann e B 17:50, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Aaron, it looks like you're still editing ("big brother sister is watching you"), glad to see that! Are you still interested in the coaching stuff? If so, we'll be happy to go on with it! In terms of my presence on Wikipedia: I'll be away for a few days for the funeral (leaving in a few hours) but I expect to be back by Friday. Leave me a note here or on my talk page and I'll get back to you! --Joann e B 11:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)



Tfd
Yeah, I've given up trying to fix that particular problem. I guess it comes across the /div tag in the template or something and thinks it has closed the opening div in th closure tag. Anyway, this diff says everything's fine. Thanks for the help. -Splash talk 02:26, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Huntington
Hello Aaron : ) Huntington is my hometown. Still have lots of family living there. Are you from there? (BTW, kitten drowning is not allowed in Huntington!) On WP:DRV, I was trying to get everyone to light'n up some. This place is going crazy with people getting mad and quitting!  --FloNight 23:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC) Just saw your comments below on DRV. 100% agree --FloNight 23:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC) ''Keep deleted - Forget about the previous five AfDs; how about the rationale for creating the article in the first place? This basically boils down to "Hey look, we've got a picture of a really  deformed guy; let's gin up a reason to humiliate him more than he already has been by the Internet  community just for the hell of it." Brian Peppers has done nothing of notability. Nothing. Maybe  it's time to start a policy discussion about creating a "basic humanitarian decency" criterion for speedy deletes? --Aaron 22:51, 10 February 2006 (UTC)''

Thank You
I don't know what to say in return for your kindness, I guess a bear must have eaten it! It's going to be an ugly one, all the process ignorers are going to be there in force, but I thank you for standing with me during that when it comes. Karm a  fist  02:16, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Re : Admin coaching
Sure thing. I'll start tomorrow (retiring for the day, real life burnt me out) =P. Let me know again if I haven't! :) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 15:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

RFA Question
Yes, thanks for the notification. I have tried to answer the question as accurately and completely as possible. Might there still be any parts which are not clear to you, then feel free to ask any additional questions. Soothing R  22:05, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Evangelist Category renamings - go for it
I was thinking of the renaming myself may be better, you came to the same conclusion independently which is great. BTW I also have a category that needs to be deleted "Evangelist (Technology)". Could you do it? How do you rename categories? If I knew how I would have renamed "Evangelist (Technology)" to "Technical evangelist" and saved myself some trouble. --Ben Houston 04:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Admin coaching
Hi Aaron, I saw the message you left on my talk page, and the link to the page that Sango and Banes made. That seemed like a very good start to me, so I decided to shamelessly copy it, since the scenario touches a couple of important things you'll need to be able to do as an admin. There are a couple of other scenario's/questions that I think are important too, and Mailer Diablo probably has some ideas too, but I thought it'd be best to start with this right now. Since the questions are the same, try not to look at Gryffindor's answers too much ;-) By the way, if you have any suggestions of your own about areas you'd like us to pay special attention to, just say so! --Joann e B 16:36, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps the first official session only will the scenario be the same. :) I think I have different themes lined-up for you, especially those that you may have never come across in editing yet. ;) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 16:55, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Stress
--User:Jenmoa 22:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Another Esperanzial note...
Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming Esperanza Advisory Council Elections. These will take place from 12:00 UTC on February 20th to 11:59 UTC on February 27th. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are already listed on the members list. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,

--Cel es tianpower háblame 09:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

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Requests for arbitration/Tony Sidaway
Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Requests for arbitration/Tony Sidaway. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Tony Sidaway/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Tony Sidaway/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Johnleemk | Talk 11:34, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Southern West Virginia dispute
Hey Aaron, I wanted to share with you my response to your post in the talk page for Southern West Virginia. --Caponer 17:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * As the contributor that wrote this stub article, I feel I should respond. I am a native of West Virginia's Eastern Panhandle region so I admit that I am unfamiliar with Southern West Virginia. I felt Southern West Virginia deserved its own article because of its unique culture, history, and geography so I wrote up a stub that would remain until another editor that was more familiar with the region could write a necessary article. From a geographical standpoint, looking at a map of West Virginia, geographically speaking only, Kanawha, Cabell, Wayne, and Putnam counties could be seen as the northern fringes of "Southern West Virginia." I did not mean to imply that these counties were culturally part of Southern West Virginia, although that in itself is a grey area as their more rural regions have much in common with Southern West Virginia. As I stated before, I am a native of the Eastern Panhandle, and even there, half of the panhandle is also a part of the Potomac Highlands of West Virginia, so it is sometimes conceivable that counties can be located in transitionary geographical grey zones. I didn't mean to offend and was not trying to be "random", I just felt it appropriate when crafting the stub to include those counties so that other more familiar contributors could do with them as they pleased. I feel a "Metro Valley" article is definitely merited and needed, but from an outside strictly geographical perspective, those counties do lie geographically in Southern West Virginia, so they deserve a geographical honourable mention in the Southern West Virginia article or at least a "See Also: Metro Valley." --Caponer 17:06, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you very much for your support during my recent Admin election, I appreciate the trust that you have put in me. Please contact me if you have any questions, comments or concerns regarding my work as an admin.

And its always nice to meet another fan of The Kinkster. :-)

Kind Regards, Elf-friend 08:56, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
Hi. On behalf of my right eye, I'd like to thank you for giving me your support on my recent RfA. It ended with a final tally of (73/2/2) and therefore I have been installed as an administrator now, and I'm ready to serve Wikipedians all over the world with my newly acquired mop and bucket. If you have any questions, do not hestitate to forward them to my talkpage. Once again, thanks for your support.  Soothing R  20:17, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Karmafist's Fair Election Request
I have a request of my fellow candidates, and of the voters -- that all candidates give a vote to every other candidate.

It may seem that this request goes against the idea that leadership and potential leadership of our group should be neutral, a precedent that has been followed since the beginning of Esperanza by JCarriker, but I beg to disagree.

For one, mathematically all votes would be cancelled out, but unlike if we stayed silent, we are showing an affirmation of our support for each other.

To me, that's what Esperanza's about. I've had disagreements with many people in Esperanza, but i'll always support them in some form or another as long as I believe as they'll do the same for me -- as long as we're unified in a belief that kindness can cure the ills of Wikipedia as a whole.

Karm a  fist  04:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Wikizach supports this request
 * Dakota Kahn supports this request and did this in the last election for maintaining neutrality.

Omega Directive
That's...odd. (I closed it on January 19, mind you.) I think you should just remove it from the February 20 log. Usually the inclusion of old AfDs is done by newbies who don't know how to go through the process of making a second nomination, but this article appears to still be deleted. Johnleemk | Talk 02:08, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for signing my manifesto. Direct and comments, questions or concerns to my talk page or the manifesto's talk page. Thanks again. The Ungovernable Force 08:22, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Elections staff
Yeah, I'm going to remove the ones hwo voted from the staff. Haz I think are the only ones left. --Cel es tianpower háblame 18:31, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Elections
Hello Aaron: Thank you very much for supporting me in the ongoing Esperanza elections. Even though the results are far from being "in", I do appreciate your vote. By the way, I very much agree with your statement, and support it wholeheartedly. Regards, Bratsch e <font color="#669933">talk 21:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

random ...
Hey. I've seen your edits here and there, and they've struck me as well-reasoned. We probably have a couple of political differences, per your userboxes, but that hardly matters here :) I wanted to say that, once you have a reasonable number of edits, and another month or two of activity, I'd be happy to nominate you as an administrator candidate if you're interested -- I think you have the right personality for it.

Keep up the great contributions :) Adrian~enwiki (talk) 22:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

TvRage
The deletion of the TvRage page is unfounded. The page was deleted due to prior requirements set up by other Wikipedia mods, and we have met those requirements. To save time posting all the info again, I would like to direct you to these links where I have posted information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Renata3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JohnQ.Public http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:TVRage.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/TVrage.com

We have met the requirements your staff posed on us, which included being in the Alexa top 100,000 websites. We have also reworded the article to read like an Encyclopedia. The only reason we're up for deletion is because someone with a grudge against us decided to report our website, rather than editing it and making it presentable. It's a cheap move and you know it. We want the speedy deletion taken down, and this biast argument to have our page removed to be dropped! JohnQ.Public 14:30, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Universism DRV
Thanks for your expanded comment; it helps those of us who weren't around understand the prior art on this one. - ikkyu2 ( talk ) 03:06, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Drugs I Need
How is this not notable? It's an animation; just the same as this. --Mas T  er of Puppets Peek! 03:58, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Elections
I thank you for supporting me in the Esperanza elections and wish you good luck on your candidacy.-- Dakota ~   °  06:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Deano
Sigh. Oh well, in any case, our only weapon is solidarity and keeping an eye on things to make sure there's a standard for everybody or at least knowing where the double standards are and exposing them. I assume they'll try to do something similiar with my re-rfa in a few days, but here's for AGFing otherwise. I'm tired of all the nonsense. Karm a  fist  14:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Precedent
Not that I know of. I'm sorry, my friend. I doubt that i'll get a fair hearing on my re-rfa when that happens either. Karm a  fist  20:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Late RfA voting
Hi Aaron,

This is an extraordinary situation. Usually it is all right to leave the voting open pending a bureaucrat's decision, because the "extra" votes don't make a definitive change in the result and may actually gather more information in deciding a toughy. We'll just have to see how this situation unfolds. -- Cecropia 17:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * In fact, I can't think of an instance where the delayed closing potentially changed a result until now. -- Cecropia 17:02, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

AfD Help
Thanks for fixing my entry, and for your offer of help. I hate setting up articles for deltion uinless necessary, but the fellow in question deletd my speedy delete notice and I feel it is necessary in some case. But when it comes to nominated a page for AfD in the three step process, I always seem to get it wrong. In particular listing the page on that day's AfD listings I seem to never make a proper entry. Can you please show me how to do this? TIA.

A rundhati Bakshi (talk • contribs) 00:37, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
I just wanted to say thank you for voting for my RFA, of course if you ever need a hand, let me know :) - cohesion<font color="#cc0033">★ talk 23:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Samantha Brett

 * I have rewritten the article from verifiable sources. I would be grateful if you could take a look. Capitalistroadster 00:32, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

vote solicitation
Congratuations Cohesion on your unanimous election! I do have one thing you could help me on: Isn't it against policy to openly solicit votes in an attempt to "stuff the ballot box" on an AfD? The user in question has been creating 9/11 conspiracy articles like mad, and now that they're all getting nominated for AfDs, he's started to run around looking for "keep" votes ... and he's getting them. --Aaron 23:20, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, the relevant guideline is |here and relates to internal spamming. This is only a guideline however and not a policy so it is something that people are free to disagree with. I will leave a message on Strivers talk page at least notifying him of the guideline though. - cohesion<font color="#cc0033">★ talk 00:41, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I, for one, am insulted by the suggestion Striver was soliciting. I voted on and have a strong opinion about the last AfD on the 9/11 group.  Bringing the new one to my attention was entirely appropriate; I am an interested party.  I also would probably have found it by my daily AfD scans in any case.  A second AfD so soon after the first is also very unusual (not against policy per se, but...).  People are legitimately going to want to know.    Georgewilliamherbert 01:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, this being a policy rather than a guideline the extent of what I can do has been reached. Don't worry though, things have a way of working themselves out, it just takes a while sometimes. Also, as the editor above mentions, just because he advertises an AFD doesn't mean the votes aren't valid. There are a lot of admins who watch AFD and if you have a concern they can probably better help you as I am not really involved in the ongoing AFD process. WikiProject Conspiracies Guild which you linked is also undergoing the MFD process and will likely be deleted. That page is a little bit out of the ordinary :) but I wouldn't give it long. - cohesion<font color="#cc0033">★ talk 19:22, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Session 2 is up!
Head to User:Aaron/AdminCoaching for the new questions, and enjoy! Happy editing! :) - Mailer Diablo 01:35, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Striver patterns
Have documented Striver's creation history as context for those who didn't see the original POV tag: User talk:Mmx1. Feel free to update/disseminate as you'd like. --Mmx1 06:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza elections
Hi Aaron. I have decided to leave Wikipedia for good. Before I go, I wanted to thank you for your support in the Esperanza elections. M o e  ε  04:44, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Elections
Hey Aaron! I wish to say thanks for your vote at the Esperanza elections.

I've made my way into the Advisory Committee, so if you ever need any help or have any queries about the stuff we do, please do not hesitate to ask. Thanks again, KnowledgeOfSelf 09:35, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Aaron! A note from me too, thanks for your vote! Like KnowledgeOfSelf said, please let us know if there's anything we can do for you! --Joann e B 18:10, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks
Thank you for voting on my RfA, it passed with a final tally of 68/0/0 so I'm now an administrator. If there's anything I can do to help, you feel I've done something wrong, or there's just something you want to tell, don't hesitate to use my talk page. Thanks. - Bobet 10:28, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Your comments requested
I'd like your thoughts on a brainstorm I've tried to articulate here: User:Leifern/Adminwatch idea. And feel free to spread the word. --Leifern 16:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Southern West Virginia
Hey Aaron, I noticed you've left the dispute markers up on the Southern West Virginia page. Since there has been no further discussion or debate on this issue, I suggest you make the changes that you feel are necessary and remove the markers accordingly. You should definitely go ahead and make the Charleston-Huntington Metro Valley article stub as well. Thanks! --Caponer 02:12, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Hunter Ellis
I've put this article up for deletion review, after re-writing a stub focused much more on his non-Survivor notability as a TV host, which was then speedy deleted as a recreation of deleted content. Since you commented on the initial AFD, I thought you might want to participate in the discussion here as well. -Colin Kimbrell 17:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Re : Hello and apologies...
It's alright, your health is more important...Take your time, yeah? And get well soon! :) - Best wishes, Mailer Diablo 02:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Same here, just get better first! Those questions are not going anywhere! ;) --Joann e B 07:27, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Greetings
Greetings from an Indian wikipedian. I saw you on this page, and just felt like saying you a hello. Let us sometimes exchange our wiki-experience to build the best global encyclopedia. --Bhadani 07:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Stressed.


Hope the stress will be gone soon. Stressed backwards is Desserts! Everyone from EA Wishes you the best! --Actown <sup style="color:green;">e 03:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Old Skool Esperanzial note
Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Cel es tianpower háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

CNN replicated
I agree with you about the removal. It´s just an advert for the other channels. See my comment on the CNN discussion page. andreasegde 10:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

A short Esperanzial update
As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Stressed?
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has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Hope this brightens your day!

EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE  TALKTOME  |  EMAILME  18:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Stressbusters
I noticed by your WikiStress that you were feeling very stressed so I just thought I would drop a message. Please leave a message on my talk page if you need any help, cheers &mdash; M in <font color="#ffcc00;">un  <font color="#ffcc00;">Spiderman 10:16, 27 July 2006 (UTC)