User talk:AaronKaplan

Please Don't Vandalise. Thank you for testing your Wikipedia powers. You really can edit any article! Your test on Internet worked and was deleted. Please use the Sandbox for future testing. — Natha  n  ( talk ) / 03:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Wireless mesh network
Please do not add commercial links or links to your own private websites to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. You are, however, encouraged to add content instead of links to the encyclopedia. If you feel the link should be added to the article please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. See the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thanks. Nelson50 19:39, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi again, replying to your comment on the article's talk page,
 * I hope that we have not got off on the wrong foot here. I am not belittling funkfeur or freifunk.  I can value the contributions that these sites and projects make but must point out that adding links to a website that you own, run, or maintain violates external links guidelines.
 * Wikipedia is meant to be a repository of good information properly sourced and referenced. Just adding links does not contribute content and makes Wikipedia look  like a link directory.
 * It seems however, that you have the knowledge and skills to contribute content to this and other articles without promoting your own site an I would strongly encourage you to do this.
 * If I can be of help, please let me know. (I have some knowledge of wireless, hence my interest here.)  Thanks Nelson50 17:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Again replying to you. I agree that there are similarities between the OLSR and funkfeuer articles, but that is not the issue here.

Wikipedia is not about fairness, it's about content. Wikipedia strongly discourages editors linking to their own sites. The Spam page has more details on this. If a resource really is valuable, then someone other than the author (and his/her friends) will add the link when that value is generally realised.

The fact the sites are similar does not mean that links to all are required. If OLSR is regarded as representative of this type of project, then links to others are not adding significant value. Links to all such sites would render the article nothing more than a linkfarm. If you add a link in contravention of the guidelines, then it will be removed. Consequently, I am reverting the link you re-posted (along with a new effort from Poland).

I agree with your observations that OLSR and funkfeuer are similar. I have concerns about both as external references in an encyclopedia as their accessibility to the widest audiences is limited:
 * A German language ‘’’resource’’’ in an English-language encyclopedia.
 * An overly technical presentation that is not written in a clear and understandable fashion for a non-technical audience
 * In many ways, each acts as a “how-to-connect” guide for some cities. Wikipedia is not the place for these.  Imagine if such a guide were added for all the world’s major cities?  The article would quickly become unusable.

One reason OLSR can remain is that it is notable, that is, known about and discussed internationally (This does not apply to Funkfeuer). I am going to post a discussion note on OLSR in the article's talk page.

Some closing remarks:
 * You have created an account. Why not profile yourself on your user page?  This profile can include links to the projects you are involved in, including funkfeuer.
 * Please consider adding cited content to the main article. Making articles better is a key reason people get involved in the project.

Nelson50 16:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with Nelson50 here. I believe you should take a look at WP:EL and WP:SPAM. If you really feel that your website is a crucial addition to the external links section then please propose this on the talk page first and be ready to accept the consensus on whether or not the link is deemed appropriate. Pascal.Tesson 00:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Nelson50: no, actually you don't really have a clue what is going on in the field (behind the wikipedia articles), you probably are not on the relevant mailing lists and you probably never looked into the source code of OLSR nor are you debugging it or adding to it. So much for your know how. Concerning self acclaimed wikipedia rules about external links: fine! then please please be objective and delete all of them. But dont leave a few and delete others. That is just simlpy not right. It IS what we would call in journalism one sidedness. So, to save you some works, i deleted all external links except links to news reports. So much for that. Not funkfeuer there, no olsr there. stay fair! or leave additions that you dont know much about. Besides - the funkfeuer page is also available in english. you just did not search. but it does not really matter - you have very little clue but you think that you are rightfull to edit everything. man thinks his horizon is the end of the world. well well...

Ha! and another very interesting idea just popped up... talking about consensus. IF i bring many people here who would voice their concerns that this or that should be added or deleted then you would propably easily accept it as consensus. But it would be not ... it would simply be the dictatorship of the minority which has more time... I think wikipedia really suffers from self acclaimed deleters or adders ... i am slowly but surely losing confidence in wikipedia. It is jus as smart as the people edition. The more people join who have the most time the more rigid and stupid wikipedia will become. ok, nuff' said... please seriously thinkg about all this --AaronKaplan.

Mesh networking
Please stop. If you continue to use Wikipedia for promotion of your own site, as you did again in Mesh networking, you will be blocked from editing. You have also misleadingly labelled the edit as "same discussion to hide your behaviour. Nelson50 12:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Nelson you are abusing power and do not have a clue about facts.

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