User talk:Aaron north/Archive 3

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November 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive Conclusion
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Wait, what?
You closed a GAR as keep when there were non-free sound files in the article without rationales, when the issue had been pointed out, claiming that the issue was resolved? Have I missed something? J Milburn (talk) 17:10, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * There were fair-use rationales. You were right that the audio files needed to satisfy criteria 6a, but I and another reviewer believed it did. The GAR was up for over 6 weeks, 3 and a half of which without any serious debate or disagreement. At worst it could have been closed as no consensus (which means it keeps GA), but as the GAR had stalled out it needed to be closed and there did not seem to be a compelling argument or consensus to delist. Aaron  north  (T/C) 23:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * There were not rationales for that use, there were rationales for other uses. Please refamiliarise yourself with the non-free content criteria- NFCC#10c requires "The name of each article (a link to each article is also recommended) in which fair use is claimed for the item, and a separate, specific fair-use rationale for each use of the item, as explained at Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline." Sorry if it seems I'm drumming out the point, but a recent disagreement showed that the distiction is not as clear as I thought it was. The article really should have been delisted- the misuse of the sound files was a serious problem whether or not someone disagreed that it was, and it was something that had not been fixed, and was not even under discussion. This is all academic now, but I think it's worth pointing out anyway. J Milburn (talk) 11:29, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I also don't want to come off as contentious here, because I believe I may not understand what you are trying to say. I believe both audio files in the article satisfy NFCC#10c. the article links to the file page, which in turn links back to the article. The music copyright license template is there, as well as a filled-out rationale for the use of the clip, which seems consistent with why it is included in the article. For the sake of comparison, I refer to David Bowie, which may be considered a peer article of sorts to Pink Floyd. This article was promoted to FA very recently, and contains audio files with fair use rationales. (the "David Bowie - Space Oddity.ogg" file, for example) Aside from perhaps more detail on the source and a slightly better explanation, I did not notice a significant difference between the presumably-accepted rationale used in the audio files for that recently-promoted FA article, and the rationales used for the audio files in Pink Floyd. If there's something I'm not noticing here, please feel free to point it out. Aaron  north  (T/C) 07:41, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the two on the page now do- at the time of closing, there were around ten on the page, most of which did not satisfy 10c, as the rationales they did have were for other articles. As I say, this is all academic now, but it's worth pointing out in case it comes up again. J Milburn (talk) 12:21, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You are right, I just looked back at an old version of the article when it was kept and some of the sound files did not have a decent rationale beyond "to illustrate the article", which is clearly insufficient. At a minimum the editors should have been told to improve the rationale to prevent the article from losing GA-status. As you say, it is academic now, because someone cleaned the article up after-the-fact to comply with the GA standard. In the future I will pay closer attention to the rationale for all image and sound files. Thank you. Aaron  north  (T/C) 01:35, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the barnstar, I'm glad you learnt something. It's nice to have people reacting positively to our NFCC for a change :) J Milburn (talk) 01:42, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

GOCE Year-end Report
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GOCE drive news
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Joran van der Sloot
Hello, thank you for your past GA review of Joran van der Sloot. I was not opposed to your instability assessment as the case was a top headline in the news at the time. However, the case appears to have ground to a halt and it has also since been revealed that Peru has the right to detain a suspect for questioning for 18 months (!) and does not guarantee the right to a speedy trial. As there appears to be no stability problems to content disputes, would you be opposed if I resubmitted this for GA review though it may be years before the commencement of a trial? I would be happy to take it for a round through WP:PR if you prefer. Cheers. KimChee (talk) 19:12, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I would not be opposed to a resubmission. I quickly researched this and you appear to be correct, this could take an extraordinary amount of time (by american standards) before a significant update is made. Given that it may take over a year before a trial even begins, the argument that the article is "unstable" is harder to defend. I cant re-review it since I was involved in the first review, but I will add a comment to my review summarizing this. Also, the next reviewer may decide to fail it anyway for the same reason or may decide to hold/fail it for other reasons since I didn't give it a full review, but given the circumstances, I no longer believe you should be forced to wait until the conclusion of the trial. If this article were to be judged a good article before the trial though, it will need to be kept up-to-date under the good article criteria when the story does develop further or it may lose GA status on a reassessment. Aaron  north  (T/C) 03:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Understood. Thank you! KimChee (talk) 03:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Lantau Island
Hi Aaron. Sorry to have unintentionally left a GOCE tag on the Lantau Island article. Thank you for correcting it. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 01:10, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

GOCE January Backlog elimination drive conclusion
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March 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive
Hi. On behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors, I am inviting you to sign up for our March Backlog Elimination Drive. Win a barnstar! It's fun. -- Diannaa (Talk) 01:17, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Liberty Radio
Re a comment of yours to 82.111.219.194: "Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Liberty Radio, you may be blocked from editing. Aaron north (T/C) 14:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)". Please have a look at the Liberty Radio page; there have continued to be a great many unexplained edits to this page by this user which remove correct and referenced material. I have just reverted a swathe of them, and added some referenced material. Pol098 (talk) 15:37, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

James A. Garfield
Hello. Could you copy edit the James A. Garfield article for GA review? Thanks. Cmguy777 (talk) 19:44, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive newsletter
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GOCE elections
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GOCE drive invitation
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GOCE drive newsletter
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GOCE drive newsletter
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GOCE drive newsletter
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GOCE 2011 Year-End Report
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GOCE 2011 Year-End Report
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Welcome message
Hi AAron, thank you for the welcome message. I think I used to have a wikipedia account once, but I don't remember what it was. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to contribute much to wikipedia, but I do some edits if I stumble upon something which is in dire need of fixing. -Sela — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.98.250.79 (talk) 19:04, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Cheers
Thanks for the revert, a more leading remark was made at ani. Cheers for that. Murry1975 (talk) 20:09, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

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