User talk:Ab11712

June 2024
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Please do not add or change content, as you did at Kalwar (caste), without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. ''No original research is accepted here; read WP:OR! We are strictly against any form of caste promotion or caste related POV pushing.'' Ekdalian (talk) 17:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hey, I'm Ashwath Bhandarkar. My family has our caste manuscript passed down from our predecessors. We have written records. My uncle, Ravikant Harde had been the president of Kalar Samaj (Nagpur) (search in google) and he had access to the library. We have the source. So kindly accept my edits. Ab11712 (talk) 17:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I hope you reply to my concern. Ab11712 (talk) 17:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, as per our policies, this is a classic example of original research! Each and every statement in an article must be supported by reliable and verifiable sources; read WP:RS, WP:V! Please try to find modern scholarly work by reliable authors for any statement you would like to add. Ekdalian (talk) 17:32, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok. I will try to make edit with modern sources. Do caste archives work? Tho they are made by the people within the caste. Ab11712 (talk) 17:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No, please avoid any kind of source written by a community member, rather you need to cite sources by reliable historians. Ekdalian (talk) 17:40, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hurray, I found the source (https://archive.org/details/localityprovince0000unse/page/n) page 61 - 63. The credible source references that kalwar enjoyed status kashtriya.
 * Ekdalian, I have a history degree from pandit ravishankar shukla university, Raipur. I have history as professional background. I have done many researches on my own caste. Ab11712 (talk) 17:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * By the way, the source I mentioned above is already mentioned in the kalwar caste wikipedia page reference. You can check it out. What more i have to do to prove my edits? Ab11712 (talk) 17:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I couldn't verify the same. By the way, Varna status is always a subject of dispute and all views including Shudra status (wherever applicable) need to be mentioned, as per WP:NPOV. Cherry picking is not acceptable at all; hope you have gone through the discretionary sanctions applicable for caste articles. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 18:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not satisfied with your response. But I agree with you that the kalwar caste was mentioned as Vaishya in most of the credidle source. Claims of Kshatiya or shudra has no official confirmation. But are you sure? Ab11712 (talk) 18:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Better to discuss on the article talk page, and achieve consensus there itself. Other experienced editors can also come up with their views; moreover, this is the convention here in Wikipedia. Ekdalian (talk) 04:56, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey Ekdalia, how are you? I found a source proving that kalwar were kshatriyas with vaishya occupation. The source is by Narayan Saha (Calcutta high court) year 1906. Ab11712 (talk) 18:30, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Pdf page 11 :https://ia904707.us.archive.org/11/items/in.ernet.dli.2015.38256/2015.38256.Vaishya-Khandya---Saha-And-The-Shaundika-And-The-Commentary-On-Hindu---Castes.pdf Ab11712 (talk) 18:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * We don't accept Raj era source; read WP:RAJ! Ekdalian (talk) 06:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ekdalian, there's no valid source then. Your sources says, "Kalal had a low status", which is untrue. From where did the author of your source gets that idea? I need a proper debate please because I'm not like others who do senseless or paragraphic essay edits. I'm history major. Ab11712 (talk) 08:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * And Is NCBC (official government organization) data allowed as source? Ab11712 (talk) 08:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Narayan Chandra Saha was an esteemed and celebrated lawyer in British India (Raj). Ab11712 (talk) 19:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Notice of discretionary sanctions on caste articles
Ekdalian (talk) 17:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)