User talk:Abacchus1974

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Referencing for beginners --Abacchus1974 (talk) 04:01, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Archiving User Talk content
Before long, I will need to start archiving my talk page...

History of Cyprus articles
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding content without citing a reliable source is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are familiar with Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add references to the article. El Greco(talk) 19:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Please do not add content without citing reliable sources. Before making potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. If you are familiar with Citing sources please take this opportunity to add references to the article. El Greco(talk) 19:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Earl of Sefton
Maybe I wasn't clear enough - you have added this person to a Category page - this is not the function of a category page. If he is notable, you should add him to one of the List of Old Etonians born in the xxth century articles. If you don't know how to do that, I can help. Jpaulm (talk) 14:19, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your information. Amended accordingly. (talk)

October 2009
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding content without citing a reliable source is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are familiar with Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. ''Unsourced alumni entries have been reverted. Please also group the number of contributions instead of making  dozens of edits within  a few minutes, and be sure to  complete the edit  summary.'' Kudpung (talk) 12:24, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Charles Courtier
A tag has been placed on Charles Courtier, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as FAQ/Business for more information. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

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Correspondence with Seraphimblade :

Moved from article page

hello User:Seraphimblade

sorry, I have no experience of contacting users or sending messages on Wikipedia so I am leaving a message as I know how.

I want to say that I do not agree with your speedy deletion and the reason that you gave for 'speedy deletion'. I kindly ask you to restore the page ... my reasons : the page is not advertising ; my contribution was simplly to furnish info about the CEO, not to promote the company, whose page already existed, and I note that you did not delete the page of the company, mediaedge:cia. If your concern is advertising, then you should also delete company page. But for me, that is unfortunate, as my only interest here is to furninsh info about a guy who is alumni of a college, Malvern College. I think this guy and the company he works for, one of the world's largest media agencies, are deserve their place here. So I see no reason why you deleted this page ...please restore it!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abacchus1974 (talk • contribs)

(moved by: — ækTalk 09:36, 30 November 2009 (UTC))

If you tell me what article you are talking about, I might be able to help. Seraphimblade Talk to me 15:42, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello Seraphimblade, I am referring to the Charles Courtier article : Charles Courtier, CEO of Mediaedge:cia .... Alex --Abacchus1974 (talk) 04:36, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

At this point, I really don't see anything in the article that indicates that the subject is notable, and it largely does just state why the company is good. If there is a significant amount of reliable source material written by sources independent of this person about the person, we could certainly support a biography on them, else we could not. If you can direct me to that type of source material, I'd be happy to help you with writing an article in a more neutral tone. If such sourcing does not exist, we couldn't support a full biographical article. Seraphimblade Talk to me 04:50, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello YellowFives, I asked you to hold on or to try to recover the page but too late. Alas, it is not to be...

Quite incredible. If this is "unambiguous advertising", then I am guilty of abusing your website. I am personally offended! Is it really "unambiguous" to you that I have no commercial relationship with the subject whatsoever?! By your logic why dont you also remove the article about the company with which he is employed, Mediaedge:CIA?! As a matter of fact, why not just remove all companies and all persons representing them for the encyclopedia!? This man is the HEAD of one of the world's greatest media agencies, employing 4500 people, which has won major international awards ...and that infers nothing about his own status and importance?!? Merely that he is Mr Nobody who works for a notable company!? ...There even exists on the company page a link to his (deleted) page - his name is in red, of course, since your deletion ... how many more reasons do you need not to gobble up every constructive effort which comes before you?! (talk) 10.01.2010

How to contact users on Wikipedia
Hi. On Wikipedia, we use user talk pages to communicate. So, to get in touch with the user Seraphimblade, you need to use a link like this one User talk:Seraphimblade. You can probably find these links around Wikipedia as the word "talk" next to someone's user name (check my signature below for an example). I've moved your message to that page, so you should look there for his reply to your request. —  æk Talk 09:40, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Seraphimblade Talk to me 15:43, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

December 2009
SECOND WARNING: Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding content without citing a reliable source is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are familiar with Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. ''Unsourced alumni entries have been reverted. Please also group the number of contributions instead of making  dozens of edits within  a few minutes, and be sure to  complete the edit  summary.''--Kudpung (talk) 11:56, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Abacchus1974, I'll ask  you  again  please to  remember to  complete an edit summary for each  of your contributions to  Malvern College. Thanks.

Malvern College
Hi ! Malvern College is an article you have edited or contributed to concerns an important school. It still needs some urgent  attention. If you can help, please see Talk:Malvern College  regarding  how it  may  be improved. --Kudpung (talk) 08:10, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

January 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add content (particularly if you change facts and figures), as you have to the article List of Old Malvernians, please cite a reliable source for the content you're adding or changing. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. Take a look at Citing sources for information about how to cite sources and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Kudpung (talk) 22:47, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Please do not add unsourced or original content, as you did to List of Old Malvernians. Doing so violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy. If you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. ''I've asked you several  times before, on the article's talk  page, and in  the hidden comments in  the articles page code. You appear not  to  read your user talk  page. '' Kudpung (talk) 22:50, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello Kudpung, I took note of the hidden comments which you apparently introduced on January 9th. I added further references to Stephen Brown (judge) - although there was already one - and added back on the list. Maybe you can add a reference for Queen's College? I didnt address Norman Partridge (cricketer) yet but, as I didnt create these articles in the first place, nor did I add "Malvern College" to their contents but, merely, made minor alterations (to the presentation of their links on the "List of Old Malvernians" page), i regard this task as neither my obligation, nor my responsibility. I object to your threats. I will be talking with you tommorow. Abacchus1974 (talk)

List of Old Malvernians
Hi Abacchus, you  are obviously  either an Old Malvernian, a former member of Malvern College Staff, or a cricker. Whichever it is, your contributions are most  welcome. However, I don't like unnecessarily  issuing  warnings, but  as you  continually  refuse to  acknowledge all the requests to  only  add sourced material to  articles, I  will  continue to revert  your edits (which is causing  me a lot of extra work), and start  making  official  warnings here. Please note that four warnings in a month may  get  you  banned.--Kudpung (talk) 23:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello Kudpung, I added further references to Stephen Brown (judge) - there was already one - and added back on the list. Maybe you can add a reference for Queen's College? I didnt address Norman Partridge (cricketer) yet but, as I didnt create these articles in the first place, nor did I add "Malvern College" to their contents but, merely, altered the presentation of the link on the "List of Old Malvernians" page, i regard this task as neither my obligation, nor my responsibility. I object to your threats. I will be talking with you tommorow.


 * Hi Abacchus, I have already  commented that  your enthusiasm for  the Malvern College articles is excellent,  and I  have never doubted that  your edits are made in  good faith.  I  also agree that  it is neither your obligation, nor your responsibility to  clean up and provide references for the mentions on other pages. Thus, knowing  this however, those mentions certainly cannot  be used in  other articles or lists without  further sourcing. Wikipedia editors are perfectly  within their rights to  summarily  remove anything that is not sourced; nevertheless, Wiki etiquette usually involves  a friendly, informal  mention  to  the contributor before removing his/her edits, or even helping  out by  finding  some sources. If these requests are constantly ignored, then the only  recourse is to  official  Wiki  templates on  a user's talk  page. My  repeated friendly  messages (of all  kinds)  have been met  with no  acknowledgement from  you  until  now, and it  took what  you perceive as a 'threat', to  obtain  some reaction (in  a manner that  puts you in conflict  with WP:CIVIL).   Please try  to  understand that  I  have no  personal interest whatsoever in  either the Malvern College, or  its Wikipedia articles other than maintaining the standard of their content  within the rules of the encyclopedia, and the standard of content  for other Worcestershire related articles, and articles about  schools. Bottom  line is, that  MC is such  an important  school that  its articles should, in my  humble opinion, reflect  the quality of the very  noble alumnae it  produces..--Kudpung (talk) 08:23, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of William Molyneux, 7th Viscount Molyneux


The article William Molyneux, 7th Viscount Molyneux has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Stub has not  been referenced or further developed by  its creator. Online searches have failed to  come up  with  more information  or sources.

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You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing  will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Kudpung (talk) 12:13, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Christopher Reginald Reeves


The article Christopher Reginald Reeves has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Not referenced or developed further since its creation on  13 October 200. Contains POV. and irrelevant  or dead links. Some content  disputed (Malvern College).

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing  will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Kudpung (talk) 12:52, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Preparing new articles
I thought (rather belatedly I'm afraid) that it  might  help for me to point  out that you can use your sandbox/user space to start new articles, to wikify, format and categorise them, to add references and even to build a coherent text - before moving them to main space. This might help to avoid such problems as the two PRODs above. May I refer you in this regard to User_page and Starting an article. By the way do you know Article wizard 2.0, yet? Best wishes. --Kudpung (talk) 13:59, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello Kudpung

Thank you for your suggestions. With this in mind, I will focus on adding references to existing articles rather than adding or expanding articles. I do wish to continue making a positive contribution to Wikipedia. My contributions list demonstrates my enormous positive contribution which has taken many unpaid days, especially on subjects relating to the Earls of Sefton and Malvern College alumni. I have enriched the Malvern alumni list very considerably. You are simply not right to say I added no references to Malvern or that they are "dead-end" references, in the vast majority of cases. (and we know 'dead-end' can happen over time) ...I notice DGG has confirmed that at least one of the "dead-end" references you refer to is in fact good. The Christopher Reeves link to the Times Obituary DOES work and DOES mention he went to Malvern. Incidentally, concerning the List of Old Malvernians talk page, Ellerman DID go to Malvern (please read carefully the Times link on his page) ...Moreover, as I told you before, the vast majority of the problems with the pages I have written on were were NOT written by me, as is demonstrable by their Histories, so it is not fair to single me out.

You have a record of deleting or proposed deletion of articles or their contents, to which I have contributed. I have read your correspondence with User:Peterkingiron (11th Jan 2010) and in which you state that you want to get your GA for a 'Malvern' article and, therefore, you do not want more edits. I realise now think I know why I have been receiving so many warnings from you. While I have no problem with your wish to get a GA, I appeal to you to treat my fairly and not to single me out. It will be appreciated if you kindly stop spreading allegations to users such as User:DGG and User:Peterkingiron (11th Jan 2010), and inferring to them that I should be banned. I think it is not surprising that I was a little upset but I did not use any offensive words and I had reasons to be dissatisfied. I DO wish to be cordial with you. That said, I also wish to emphasise if you continue to promote the notion that I should be banned, I will get justice. I would go as high as is necessary to get it. Please just be open and fair with me. Regards,

Abbachus1974 (talk)


 * Hi Abacchus, I'm not the first  user to  have made similar requests on  your talk  page and I would ask you to read my comments more closely, and interpret them in the friendly spirit in which they are intended. The fact is, I have a record of deleting things all over the encyclopedia for which  repeated friendly  requests for citations have born no  fruit  and for which  I  was unable to  find sources. I  have tried to communicate with you in as many ways as the Wiki software allows, put hidden notes in the page code, put polite resuests over months on your talk page, put info banners on the article talk pages and offered tips aplenty, so please don't feel offended if  you are now formally being asked to observe the Wikipedia way  of doing things. The facts are: I have neither threatened to have you banned, nor spread any allegations that you should be - I  fear that  you  may have totally misunderstood that I am trying to be as helpful as possible. If you want to see how nasty and spiteful some self-styled authoritarians can be on Wikipedia, I can give you some links -  and in  situations like that it  doesn't  help either to  go  to  a 'higher authority' - admin debates rarely  come out in  favour of contributors who  don't  understand the rules. The fact is that four official warning (from anyone,including  bots,  in one month) will trigger a software alert to the admins. The fact is I have not singled you out; to the contrary, I have been impressed (and I have said so) with your enthusiasm. However, I have singled out all articles that are to do with all schools, that fall within the scope of the Wikiproject Worcestershire; and that such  a clean-up obviously snowballs through the links into the other completely unsourced articles you have created or the alumnae list. The fact is that you have contributed an unusually high number of unreferenced additions, and rarely if ever, included an edit summary. Finally it has taken stronger measures to  elicit a reaction to all kinds of friendly messages that have been  helpfully trying to encourage you to make your edits in such a way that they comply with the rules, and make less work for other editors. Fact  is,  I have not named you in any communications with other editors and your work has never been the subject of a dicussion on Malvern articles. Moreover, the dialogues between me and Peterkliniron are part of a well oiled teamwork for a common objective. The GA for Malvern Town has absolutely nothing whatsover to do with Malvern College - I am not an alumnus of the school, and couldn't care less for it other than accuracy in the way its articles appear in this encyclopedia. We need contributors here with your enthusiasm, but your efforts currently do not help, however well intended, if you continue to run against the current, instead of wanting to be communicative and part of a team. There is arguably far too much bureaucracy on WikipediaI that has been arrived at through consensus of few to be imposed on many, but it's there, and we all have to abide by it. I would much prefer that if you are not sure of any of it, you would not hesitate to ask me to explain some of it for you. I don't bite the newbies, but you are the first user to suggest in four years that my interaction with the community is less than fair and cordial. Please seeTHIS, then pax. Best,--Kudpung (talk) 09:36, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * BTW: I agree with you entirely athat the references should not be on the Old Malvernians List (except in the case where they don't have their own Wiki pages), but this will only come into effect when the contributors begin to understand the importance of providing them with their work on the main articles. I split the Old Malvernians off from the main page,according to  MOS,  but don't claim ownership of it, and it's up to other editors to show some initiative and to do  what  has to  be done.--Kudpung (talk) 10:11, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Re my correspondence with  Peterkingiron: I've reviewed what  Peter and I  have been discussing. It  concerned strictly  only  the GA review for the Malvern, Worcestershire article to  which you  have not  contributed. If  you  a re interested yu  can  get  the bigger picture and see the rest  of our collaboration here: Talk:Malvern,_Worcestershire The irony  is that  the user I  alludeed to on  Pete's page has long  since retired (about  6 months ago) from Wikpedia and deleted their account! Abacchus, do please try  to  be a little less paranoid, and enjoy  your editing.--Kudpung (talk) 10:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * rather than worrying about each other, it is more useful to make sure that articles have good references from the very start. If the suitability of a reference is challenged, and it cannot be settled on the article talk p, the best place to go is  WP:RSN, the Reliable sources noticeboard (or the BLP noticeboard if relevant).  And certainly everyone should always include an edit summary--particularly when placing or removing a deletion tag. (and remember to sign postings, also). BTW, I too have  a problem with many  notable alumni lists, and often remove dubious people from them.     DGG ( talk ) 23:19, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

List of Old Malvernians - sources
Hi Abacchus, I  see you  have been working partly  from  the Malvern Register 1905. Do ensure that  any OMs you  take from  there are truly  notable and worthy  of an  article or a mention in  the Wikipedia -  the List of Old Malvernians is to  be strictly  of notable alumnae only, and not  a gerneral register of all past  pupils. Check also that  the book  is correctly  referenced and sourced, including  the page number of the entry, its publisher, its location, and where it  can  be viewed. Use a citation template if you  find it  easier (I don't, but  others swear by  them). If you know of other sources for past  students, do let  me know and I  will look  them  up when I  am   in  Malvern in  April (I live in  Asia).--Kudpung (talk) 11:13, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Tags & edit summaries
I notice that you have removed tags from List of Old Malvernians without making edit summaries. Tags signaling that articles need special attention are qute a serious issue. They must not  be removed without  good reason unless the specific issue has been fully  addressed. This is one of the most important  functions of the edit summary  feature, because it saves other editors opening the pages to check  your work. When editing an article on Wikipedia there is a small field labeled "Edit summary" under the main edit-box. It looks like this: The text written here will appear on the Recent changes page, in the page revision history, on the diff page, and in the watchlists of users who are watching that article. See m:Help:Edit summary for full information on this feature. Filling in the edit summary field greatly helps your fellow contributors in understanding what you changed, so please always fill in the edit summary field. If you are adding a section, please do not just keep the previous section's header in the Edit summary field – please fill in your new section's name instead. Thank you. --Kudpung (talk) 13:21, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Until you brought this to my attention, I had no idea how to do this, nor how much or why it is used. I have noticed that different users have different opinions about how to act on Wiki. Must edit summaries be used every time, or only in certain situations? I will try to use it in future as.


 * I removed some proposed deletion tags because the necessary references were either already there (perhaps, you somehow missed them, or your firewall is blocking your links!?) or, otherwise, I or another user responded to the tags by adding or updating the references. In my opinion, it would be a small tradegy to lose good articles - and once lost chances of a return are dashed - and I think its not a chance worth taking. One reason, I got involved was because it struck me last year that the MC and OM pages were below par both in quality and scale ...I noticed some schools go about it much more thoroughly than others (maybe some try too hard!) but, clearly, it does suprise me that MC didnt decide to do something about its Wiki pages.


 * thanks in advance, User:Abacchus1974 (talk)


 * Hello Abacchus. yes, edit summaries must always be completed. Generally only  people who are not  registered members don't bother, although they  should. In  many  instances they  are posting  spam or nonsense (vandlism). If you  would like to see exactly  what  the edit summaries look  like, click HERE. This is how you  can  find out  at  a glance what  other people have been doing  to  pages you  are working on. You can also  access the list  by  clicking on  the HISTORY tab at the top of every  article page. It's actually  quite rare that students or staff of schools write the wiki pages about  the schools. Take a look  for example at  Hanley Castle High School, or Malvern St James, and Malvern Hills College - all written  by  Wikipedia contributors who are just  interested in  schools or the local area where they  are. You  may  be right  about  me having problems accessing  certain websites; it's not  my  firewall, but  from  where I  live (Asia) maybe the connection  times out too soon. If you  want  to  know more, don't  hesitate to  ask  me here or on  my  talk  page. Regards, --Kudpung (talk) 21:15, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Lobster
Hi, the main pages on the Lobster28 file are p.26-28 for John Baker White and ....yes, you got it, another OM on the list, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard the newspaper journalist on page 25.... there is even a reference to Aleister Crowley page 28? I dont seem to be able to get pdf files to work on Wiki so perhaps you can. User:abacchus1974 (talk)


 * To whom is the above addressed? I cannot recall whether it is official policy but PDF files are deprecated because they are virtually impossible to change and are thus contrary to Wikipedia's collaborative ethos. In any case to upload http://www.8bitmode.com/rogerdog/lobster/lobster28.pdf would be a copyvio. &mdash; RHaworth  03:57, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Abacchus,


 * Like any other print media, especially  government  archives, etc., PDF documents (which are often scans of real  documents) can most  certainly be cited as a reference. Their text cannot of course be reproduced verbatim (at least not in big chunks), and the pages must not be uploaded to  Wikipedia, but when you use them as a reference to the source of your information, do use the correct  format for an inline citation - or a citation  template if you  find it  easier (I don't) - include the url where they are located, the author, the date of publication, the publisher, the page number(s), and the date you 'Retrieved' it (i.e.: looked at  the information online). When I  get  a moment  I will do  the ones you  mentioned above so  you  can see how it  is done, and if you  have any  further problems with  knowing  how to cite references, don't hesitate to  ask  me on  my  talk  page, and I'll  walk you  through the process.


 * Regards, --Kudpung (talk) 04:35, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * PS: See also the notes at: Talk:Stephen Brown (judge)

Your talk page - new messages
Hi Abacchus. Not all new messages appear at the bottom  of this page. Very often, other users will add a message or a comment to  a thread that  has been already started further up the page. You might  miss these comments (check  back  now). When you log  in to  Wikipedia,  if you  have new messages waiting  for you, you  might also  see an orange banner telling  you  that  you  have new messages - click the link to  go  straight  to  them. One other way to be sure to see all all comments on your talk page and every other edit  made by  a user on  any  of the pages you  work  on, or on  the talk pages of users you  regularly  communicate with, is to  check out your watchlist every  time you  log on  to  Wikipedia. See the my watchlist tab on the  top right  hand side of every  Wikipedia page (visible only  when you  are logged in). You will  then again appreciate how important  it is to always make edit  summaries. All the links are clickable, you can go straight  to  the page that interests you  and see what  has been done. --Kudpung (talk) 04:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Deleted Malvern College alumnae
Hi Abacchus, there is a list  of Old Malvernians that  I  had already deleted from  the Malvern College article before I  created the List of Old Malvernians. Now that you  understand more about the process, maybe you  would like to have a go at finding some notability and references for these and entering them onto the List of Old Malvernians. The list of deleted items is here: Talk:Malvern_College. If you  would like more informatin  regarding the use of citation  templates, see the notes at: Talk:Stephen Brown (judge). Regards, --Kudpung (talk) 06:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello Kudpung! Thanks for your advice on my talk page and elsewhere. I havent forgotten the remaining notables off the list. In the near future, I will be less active on Wiki - I must do some work! - but, eventually, if someone else has not, I will glady start them up. I have noticed some alumni lists are arranged by field of profession (government & politics, business & finance, sport etc) I wonder what you think about adopting this at some point for MC? I look forward to seeing your Lobster citation to John Baker White. Regards, Abacchus1974 Abacchus1974 (talk) 02:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Allan H Bright
I have replied on my talk page.Lozleader (talk) 16:14, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Malvern College
Hi Abacchus. I would just  like to  thank you  for your recent  work  on Malvern College. I have noticed that since January, you  have now understood what  it  means to be a Wikipedian and part of this community,  that  can sometimes be a bit  crazy! If you have more knowledge on Malvern or even Worcestershire, maybe you  would like to  join our project  to  clean up  all the school articles and other pages on the county. Do take a look - it's here: WP:WORCS. Regards, --Kudpung (talk) 12:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. At the moment, I feel there is still more I can do with the Malvern College pages, although I think they are looking a lot better now than some months ago. I do this as a hobby, when I have a little spare time. I did live in Malvern during my teenage years and I gather you or your father had some connection with the telecommunications research centres in the town. Out of curiosity, Im wondering whether any contributors actually do this for an income. --Abacchus1974 (talk) 21:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Nobody gets paid for working  here! If you  check out my  user page, you'll see from my  biography  how I  am  connected with  Malvern.--Kudpung (talk) 16:12, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * It isnt a Malvern issue but its one that's been on my mind for a while. If all the thousands (or millions?) of contributors on Wikipedia are doing this as a hobby, I would like to know what could be the implication of this for the founder, Jimmy Wales? Would you know whether Wikipedia will remain a free, open access service for all users or is it within Mr Wales' rights, at some point, to charge users for access to it pages? While Im enjoy to contributing to Wikipedia, personally, I wouldnt feel very comfortable with the idea that he might be able charge users, given that credit for the existence of this great resource is largely due to unpaid contributors. --Abacchus1974 (talk) 18:42, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * There are a handfull of salaried administrators. I  doubt  if Jimmy  Wales is too  much  worried about  his future -  there are plenty  of kickbacks that  go  with  the notability  of having  founded something  so  successful,  but  according  to  the articles of foundation, it's probably  highly  unlikely  that  the encyclopedia will  ever go commercial or accept paid advertising. Check out the Wikipedia article about  itself. On  the other hand, if you  know the Lonely Planet  guide books for backpackers, the founders have become billionaires on  the unpaid contributions of other travellers, and  LP  has become a huge commercial travel  company with  the BBC as a major shareholder. Link title

Malvern College
Hi, I'm still  following  the excellent  work  you  are doing  for  the MC articles. There is a page called List of Old Salopians for Shrewsbury School. It has a similar problem  where people keep  adding  totally  unsourced and probably  non  notable entries. I know you  probably  won't  have the same connections to  the school as you  have to  MC, but  if you  would like to  keep  it  on  your watch  list  and occasionally  delete any  new unsourced additions, feel  free to  do  so. You'll find example of the edit summaries for this on some of the deletions I've made already. Don't feel  obliged to  do  any  of  this, but  any  help  you can  give will  be much  appreciated,  especially  now that  you  have got  the hang of how it  all  works, and are now familiar with the strict  policy  of sourcing  everything. --Kudpung (talk) 06:39, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your compliment about my work. I have added List of Old Salopians to my watchlist. --Abacchus1974 (talk) 19:30, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Malvern College - a GA candidate?
You've done an extraordinary amount  of work to  this article now. What do you say  we try  and get  it to  pass a Good Article review? -It may  need a Peer review first. -Kudpung (talk) 08:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Im glad that you think the MC articles may be at Good Article stage. My contribution has been made easier thanks to you and others. We are getting closer but I feel that there is still a fair amount of work to be done. Some information still lacks supporting online references. In some cases, I am struggling to find online sources at all and would like to get access to resources such as the ODNB. Can you advise? Do you have access to such resources? Would you want to be satisfied that the article already meets GA standards before applying or is it acceptable to allow the process to bring it up to that level? --Abacchus1974 (talk) 20:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I am asking you this question as someone who has no experience of applying for a GA. :-) --Abacchus1974 (talk) 02:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's quite ready for nomination  for a GA review yet. However, I  do  think  that  between us we can get  it  so  close that the GA process itself would leave only  very  little to get  it to a pass mark. I'll go  through  the article carefully  in  the next  couple of days, and then I'll post  a list  of things to  do that  we can attack together. How does that  sound?--Kudpung (talk) 04:51, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi kudpung, Im happy with a GA application for the MC articles as they are. On the List of OMs, I just expanded the lead a bit further but it looks fine. Is that ok? Did you make an application yourself yet? --Abacchus1974 (talk) 04:42, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

List of Old Malvernians
List of Old Malvernians: Hi Abacchus, I'm  getting  this list  ready  for a WP:Peer review prior to  nominating  it for WP:Featured List. I think you've worked so  hard on  it, it's almost  there. The intro needs expanding just a bit  more, and I  have added some details of some of the more prominent  Old Malvernians. If you think  these people  are not appropriate, or if you wish to add just two or three more, do go ahead. What we then need are some photos of them (there may be photos on their Wikipedia articles already that we can use), and a photo  of the school, which  you  can also  chose from  the MC main  page. --Kudpung (talk) 05:36, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your advice. Yes, the page has developed quickly since you created it! Do feel free to develop it further as you feel is needed. Im quite occupied this month but I'll do what I can to contribute. Looking forward to seeing the final product! --Abacchus1974 (talk) 15:55, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Just noticed your expanded lead ....I added James Jesus Angleton and Aleister Crowley, in place of Christoper Reeve and Ambrose Evans-Pritchard to keep it fairly concise. In terms of fame or popularity I think those two are definitely among the most prominent. Please let me know what you think. --Abacchus1974 (talk) 18:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that - it is indeed looking very good now, much better than my version. Would you like to dig out some mug shots of some of those people? They might already be on their Wicki pages, in which case we  can use them immediatrly. Any others, you would need to find, and I 'll help you with the copyright stuff (it can be a bit of a pain). --Kudpung (talk) 13:52, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! It was a pleasant surprise when I opened this page today. I dont know what to say! ...except its nice to be appreciated. --Abacchus1974 (talk) 22:11, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Michalis Attalides


The article Michalis Attalides has been proposed for deletion because under Wikipedia policy, all biographies of living persons created after March 18, 2010, must have at least one source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't take offense. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners or ask at Help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. Nat Gertler (talk) 05:31, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear NatGertler

Thank you for your Proposal for Deletion Message which I welcome if it will encourage other wiki users to contriubute. I welcome the "Find sources:" you suggested. However, I believe your notice is inaccurate. I believe you are surely mistaken that I did not include any references with this article which I created. Dont you agree? If you check again the article, and from the outset of its creation, you will see that I inserted four external references from such notable sources as official university websites and The Independent newspaper. Perhaps, it would be more appropriate if you modify your notice to suggest that it needs additional references and it needs citations to be inserted throughout the article to improve it further. Please respond. Regards --Abacchus1974 (talk) 13:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * In Wikipedia usage, an "External link" and a "Source" are two different beasts. An "External link" is saying "hey, here's online material that is related to the topic", and a "Source" is "This is where we got the information that is in the article". If some of your external links are actually sources, then it shouldn't be hard to re-mark them as such, to make them inline references (so that a footnote mark appears next to the data that arrives from that source and add a reference section. I don't have time to do so myself at the moment, but Referencing for beginners has advice on how to do so. Add just one reference, and you can remove my prod notice yourself by deleting the top two lines of the article file. --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, I am familiar with inserting citations - I have inserted many - but I had the impression that the inclusion of relevant external links which include source material would be sufficient to avoid a proposal for deletion. I had thought in that case a "refimprove" notice would be appropriate. Perhaps I am mistaken. --Abacchus1974 (talk) 14:31, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Another user has declined the prod and I will not reinstate it. However, in the future you may wish to mark your sources as sources. The marking of links specifically as "external links" pointed away from their presence being an indication that they are sources. --Nat Gertler (talk) 15:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Malvern College
Hi Abacchus. I've asked our resident references guru User:Wotnow to  check  through  the references for us. I think when that's done we can risk going  for the GA review I've been talking  about  for so  long.--Kudpung (talk) 01:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * great, that's good!!!--Abacchus1974 (talk) 21:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you! Pdfpdf (talk) 13:18, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated!!!--Abacchus1974 (talk) 21:37, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Good Article review
Hi Abacchus. I've nominated Malvern College today for GA review. There's quite a backlog over there, but  that  doesn't necessarily  mean that  reviewers take things in  order. The low hanging fruit  seems to  go  first. --Kudpung (talk) 14:42, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, Let's keep them low then!!!--Abacchus1974 (talk) 02:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations!
And big thanks for all your hard work  at  getting  Malvern College up tp  Good Article status. --Kudpung (talk) 13:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

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 * Ah, nice to see this message was finally sent to my user talk page! Better late than never! --Abacchus1974 (talk) 04:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

List of Old Malvernians
Hi, are you busy? If you have time, please have a look at List of Boston Latin School alumni, a featured list  of alumni. Do you think it's worth adopting a similar layout style (table)? Cheers, --Kudpung (talk) 22:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Personally, I would welcome the format you have suggested. It would certainly improve the layout but whether it is worth it Im not sure. I suppose it depends on whether someone is willing to introduce it. There are various alternative formats one being simply to rearrange the list according to profession. However, I think the facility of allowing the user to rearrange the list according to variables in the different columns is a splendid idea.--Abacchus1974 (talk) 22:08, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


 * i'm copying this conversation  to  the  Talk:List of Old Malvernians page where I  have made another comment and where this exchange of ideas can now continue. This might  attract  some help  and more ideas on  the subject. I'm anxious that we should somehow get  this list  to  WP:Featured List  status, and that  you  should get a lot  of the credit  for the hard work  you've put  into  it.--Kudpung (talk) 02:49, 26 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. My main contribution to the page has been one of researching and identifying persons with notability. Other than that, Ive just helped "touch up" the page's appearance.--Abacchus1974 (talk) 00:48, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:WORCS
Hi Abacchus. In order to more accurately  interpret Wikipedia policy, it has been suggested that  we rename the Malvern, Worcestershire page. Please see the proposal at Talk:Malvern, Worcestershire where you are welcome to voice your opinion. Cheers, --Kudpung (talk) 14:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Malvern, Worcestershire
Hi Abacchus. We have a new editor who is keen to do more research for Malvern. Do check out his suggestions if you have time, and chime in with your thoughts. There may be some issues with footnotes. Cheers, --Kudpung (talk) 05:40, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Evesham
Is now nominated as a WP:GAC. Get ready for battle :) --Kudpung (talk) 05:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Old Malvernians
H Abacchus. Nice to see you still plugging away at this with unwavering  dedication. Not much  chance of getting this to FL status for a while. Apparently what they  are asking  for  is a sourced footnote for every  entry, a photo, and the year(s) they attended the college. Do you still have any direct  connections to  the school to  be able to  get some of this information? --Kudpung (talk) 11:26, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I will contact the school to see if they can help. Yes, we need more images. The CSLewis and Crowley images were removed so we will definitely want to find alternatives. We also need to refer to the Registers for further information. I know the school keeps all the original house photos but Im doubtful whether such early images would be useful. I would imagine we are looking only for digital images with permission from the copyright owners. I confess that Im not familiar with Wiki's policy concerning publication of images. If it is not clear a copyright owner exist, is it necessary remove the image? Or could permission from the person depicted in an image suffice, ...or do would we not need permission at all in that circumstance? --Abacchus1974 (talk) 00:18, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Ab. Sorry  I  missed this comment  of yours. I've been tied up  with  becoming  an admin  and doing  some admin  work. Nice to  see you  still  plugging  away at it. If the people are dead there may  be an argument  for WP:FUR if it's impossible to  get  photos elsewhere, but  just  asking  for permission  doesn't  work. BT, we have an eitor who  has got  a whole list of more Old Boys. I'll  get  him  to  chime in  here. Take care, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:08, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Monty Don
Thanks for the Don edit. Best wishes Span (talk) 23:45, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It is a pleasure to help to protect the neutrality of the page you created. I hope the comments I made with my edits speak for themselves and that other users will take note : "style not neutral, removed POV, inappropriate use of blog comments (comments wrongly interpreted as a "votes; sometimes offensive eg comment #525, #526 etc)" and "NB an encyclopedia is not the place to promote POV, including subjectively construed statistics....".--Abacchus1974 (talk) 23:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Oxford Dictionary of National Biography
Kudpung suggested I post message on your page mentioning Talk:Malvern, Worcestershire where I have posted a list of Old Malvernians whose attendance at school is mentioned in articles about them in DNB. Dealing with other matters has higher priority for me that putting these names into the Malvern College article and the articles about the people named. I have more extensive information from the DNB articles that I do not wish to post verbatim because of Copyright but I can post answers to specific questions. Michael P. Barnett (talk) 11:48, 20 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello Michael, Thank you for the message. I have replied on the discussion page Talk:List_of_Old_Malvernians in relation to OMs in the ODNB search list you put on the Malvern talk page. --Abacchus1974 (talk) 19:45, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

List of Old Guildfordians (Royal Grammar School, Guildford)
Hi Abacchus. I just thought I'd let you know that  List of Old Guildfordians (Royal Grammar School, Guildford) has been nominated for Featured List. It would be interesting to follow what  happens there, with  a view to  getting  some ideas for List of Old Malvernians. Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:36, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The format looks good - more or less what was already suggested on the Discussion page for List of Old Malvernians. The only problem is that it, as things stand, IMO, the List is way too incomplete to merit that format. Although more or less all the entries feature references, almost none feature dates of attendance, and few feature an image. I think we have to work on adding this information to the current list before it may be ready for nomination. Unfortunately, images can be hard to find. I currently have little time on my hands, but if any Wiki users can help, it will be welcome. --Abacchus1974 (talk) 16:52, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I would imagine such a prestigious school to maintain complete records.Can you suggest anyone to contact for the attendance dates? I will be back in Malvern soon for a few weeks and I'll also see what I can do about photos.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure that  Old Guildfordians will  pass. We'll  see.


 * As regards Old Malvernians, have you seen this latest  diff.  ? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:55, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

List of Old Malvernians
Hi Abacchus. List of Old Guildfordians has now been passed as featured list. See: List of Old Guildfordians (Royal Grammar School, Guildford) and especially: Featured list candidates/List of Old Guildfordians (Royal Grammar School, Guildford)/archive1. It did not  appear to  be too  difficult. Could you cast  your eye over the OM and see whether you  think List  of OM   could pass FL on  the same basis? I am  now in  Malvern and will  be here for another four  weeks. If there is anything you  would like me to  look  up at  the local  library  for  example, please don't  hesitate to  let  me know. Regards, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:10, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Peer review
Hi Abacchus. I'm just  letting  you  know that  I  have submitted List  of Old Malvernians for peer review as a first  step  to  possible Featured List. Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:22, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

List of Old Malvernians
vandalism: Good catch Abacchus! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:26, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * thank you! it was heading below the belt, that one, but I was quick off the mark!--Abacchus1974 (talk) 12:10, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

based on the peer review, it  looks as if OM will  still  need a lot  of work  and research  before it  can be nomintated for FL. Never mind,  perhaps I'll  go  to  the bursar's office next  time I'm  in  Malvern, but  that  won't  be until at  least  October next  year. On another note, are you  actually  in  or near Malvern by  any  chance? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:53, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Happy New Year Kudpung, You live in Thailand or Malaysia, if I recall? I dont live near Malvern, though I may visit this year for an OM meeting. Nothing particular is planned. I agree that more needs doing, eg to obtain dates of attendance, references, image files etc. Initially, I thought the table layout would be practical but, on reflection, I was wondering whether it makes the list look rather bland and formulaic. Once the necessary information is compiled, the layout might be convenient but it appears there is a long way to go to that juncture. Do you agree? Is the peer review available online? --Abacchus1974 (talk) 03:17, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Ab, and Happy  New Year to  you  too! I've been living  in  Thailand since early  2000; before that  I  lived in  France for 12 years and before that in  Germany  for  16. I  go  back  to  Malvern roughly  every  12 - 18 months and I  spent  two  months there last  Sept-Aug. However, I  am  not  personally connected with  MC so  I  have no  influence there. As you  are an OM and planning  on  going  to  a meeting, I  think  it  would be a wonderful opportunity  to  do  some  research and perhaps ask the school's administrators and other OM if they  can come up  with  any  sources. MC is such  an important  school,  the list  deserves to  be brought  up  to  FL. While I  can certainly  help  out  with  prose and format, there is little I  can do  to  provide any  missing  content  or images. Photos are of course important  and if the school  or any  OM  have some that  can be scanned  I  would be happy  to  advise how permissions can be organised for their use. The peer review is at  Peer review/List of Old Malvernians/archive1. It  can be read but  it  is now archived so  any  relevant  comments should be made at  Talk:List of Old Malvernians. Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:34, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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Alan Lloyd Hodgkin
Hello, Abacchus1974. I deleted the Old Malvernians category from the Alan Lloyd Hodgkin page because it seemed to me to have been added in error. ALH is not included in the List of Old Malvernians, and there is nothing at Category:Old Malvernians, nor at the Downs School page, to suggest that all old boys of the Downs School are considered to be OMs. I suspect membership of the OM Society may be open to former Downs School pupils now, even if they went on to some other school, but when ALH was at the Downs School it was not associated with MC, so could he have joined during his lifetime? If you conclude that he could, I leave it to you to reinstate the category. Moonraker (talk) 22:00, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for replying Moonraker. This is raises an interesting question. What is the decisive factor for eligilibility to a list? Is it whether a person is an alma mater of an educational institution (ie actually attened the institution in question), has membership of the institutions old boy's Society, or whether the school in question has since merged with a school at which someone attended, entitling the latter's old boys to membership of the former's old boy's society? --Abacchus1974 (talk) 09:14, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * For inclusion in a list of so-called "alumni" of schools I believe we have agreed at WikiProject Schools that there is no minimum period of attendance, simply having attended the school is enough. The problem here is that "Old Malvernian" is being used to mean something different from "People who attended Malvern College". I support using what the category regulars call the "Old Fooian" formats, and I don't have a problem with "Old Malvernian" having a less than straightforward meaning. "Old Truronians" attended either Truro School or Truro Cathedral School, or, indeed, both. In the case of Old Paludians, membership is open to people from several Slough schools. But how can we call someone an Old Malvernian who did not attend the school and would not have been eligible to join the OM Society? It's rather like the posthumous baptism for the dead. Moonraker (talk) 20:28, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Selfridge
Please do not add information without referencing it. I deleted it for a reason as we simply cannot allow information to be added without citations. Please familiarise yourself with WP:CITE and WP: RS before reverting again. Thank you. --  Cassianto Talk    23:13, 17 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Hello Cassianto, Thank you for your message. I agree about the need for citations and reliable sources. The reliable sources you wanted were already clearly cited on Oliver Selfridge's own wikipage but, in the light of your recommendations, I have now added a different reference on Harry Selfridge's own page. In this case, however, i wonder why you did not simply add a "citation needed" to my edit on the HS page, as you have in many places on the same page? Generally, overtly pro-deletionist policies dont agree with me. So, I want to balance your quote with one of my own : "Check it Before you Deck it!"--Abacchus1974 (talk) 02:16, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Your response is confusing to me so I will answer what I can understand. The article was inundated with  tags, as a result of information being put on with no references.  I refused to cn your text as unfortunately, that is not how it works.  When you put information on, you should be willing to back up what your saying with a reference.  You can't just put on information and look for a reference later, or cn the text hoping someone will come along and reference it for you.  Again, I urge you to read WP:RS and WP:CITE if you haven't done so already. I will continue to remove unsourced information as per the policy, so "Check it Before you Deck it!" doesn't apply here.  Also, I have reformatted The Daily Telegraph reference you added.  Please note that the publication goes in italics and the date is in BritEng.  Periods are generally not used so instead use commas as the formatting is a continuation of everything preceding it.  Many thanks. --   Cassianto Talk    09:05, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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