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WikiCup 2017 July newsletter
The third round of the competition has finished in a flurry of last minute activity, with 288 points being required to qualify for round 4. It was a hotly competitive round with all but four of the contestants exceeding the 106 points that was necessary to proceed to round 4 last year. Coemgenus and Freikorp tied on 288, and both have been allowed to proceed, so round 4 now has one pool of eight competitors and one of nine.

Round 3 saw the achievement of a 26-topic Featured topic by MPJ-DK as well as 5 featured lists and 13 featured articles. PanagiotisZois and SounderBruce achieved their first ever featured articles. Carbrera led the GA score with 10, Tachs achieved 17 DYKs and MBlaze Lightning 10 In the news items. There were 167 DYKs, 93 GARs and 82 GAs overall, this last figure being higher than the number of GAs in round 2, when twice as many people were taking part. Even though contestants performed more GARs than they achieved GAs, there was still some frustration at the length of time taken to get articles reviewed.

As we start round 4, we say goodbye to the fifteen or so competitors who didn't quite make it; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia. Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them (some people have fallen foul of this rule and the points have been removed).

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Nomination of Cardinal Newman High School (Columbia, South Carolina) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Cardinal Newman High School (Columbia, South Carolina) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Cardinal Newman High School (Columbia, South Carolina) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. --Rainythunderstorm (talk) 10:24, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

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BRD
You ever heard of it? 141.6.11.22 (talk) 08:11, 18 August 2017 (UTC) ''Yeah. How dare you delete a sourced quote because you don't like it? What "consensus" are you referring to that overrides Wikipedia rules?''' ? Quis separabit? 15:15, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:UNDUE, for one. Abductive  (reasoning) 18:13, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2017 September newsletter
Round 4 of the WikiCup has ended and we move forward into the final round. In round 4, a total of 12 FAs, 3 FLs, 44 GAs, 3 FLs, 79 DYKs, 1 ITN and 42 GARs was achieved, with no FPs or FTs this time. Congratulations to Peacemaker67 on the Royal Yugoslav Navy Good Topic of 36 items, and the 12 featured articles achieved by Cas Liber (5), Vanamonde93 (3), Peacemaker67 (2), Adityavagarwal (1) and 12george1 (1). With a FA scoring 200 points, and bonus points available on top of this, FAs are likely to feature heavily in the final round. Meanwhile Yellow Evan, a typhoon specialist, was contributing 12 DYKs and 10 GAs, while Adityavagarwal and Freikorp topped the GAR list with 8 reviews each. As we enter the final round, we are down to eight contestants, and we would like to thank those of you who have been eliminated for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia. The lowest score needed to reach round 5 was 305, and I think we can expect a highly competitive final round.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed. It would be helpful if this list could be cleared of any items no longer relevant. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to reduce the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck, and let the best man (or woman) win! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13, Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth 06:25, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

whowhatwhy.org
Hi, Abductive. I should have pinged you an "FYI" on this: Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Cheers! -Location (talk) 02:57, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

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September 2017
Please do not attack other editors, as you did at 2017 Central Mexico earthquake. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. This is not an appropriate edit summary.  Sounder Bruce  17:44, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello, I'm TropicalAnalystwx13. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, it's important to be mindful of the feelings of your fellow editors, who may be frustrated by certain types of interaction, such as your addition to 2017 Central Mexico earthquake. While you probably didn't intend any offense, please do remember that Wikipedia strives to be an inclusive atmosphere. In light of that, it would be greatly appreciated if you could moderate yourself so as not to offend. Message with regard to the edit summary: "Wow, astoundingly poor use of language here. Consider never editing Wikipedia again." TropicalAnalystwx13  (talk  · contributions) 18:06, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Maybe they should be discouraged... Abductive  (reasoning) 23:34, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Maybe just maybe you need stop being user:abusive for a while, your edit summaries and general attitude to other users tend often to be extremely inappropriate.Andrewgprout (talk) 00:02, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * "Inappropriate" is a big word meaning "wrong in a way I can't describe". Abductive  (reasoning) 03:23, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by inserting unpublished information or your personal analysis into an article, as you did at San Juan Raboso. Considering the last warns and your block log, the next step is not AIV, it will be ANI. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 03:29, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you seriously think that your threat would win over the secondary sources? Abductive  (reasoning) 03:35, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Considering your edit pattern, it's only time. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 03:40, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." — George Bernard Shaw
 * Abductive (reasoning) 03:44, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * "Consider never editing Wikipedia again." — User:Abductive. I will nominate it as Wikiquote's quote of the day. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 04:01, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Paleolithic dog
Thanks for returning the sketch back to the Origin of the domestic dog. It was once housed at the Origin, however there was some "unpleasantness" over its appropriateness with another editor so I removed it to Paleolithic dog. Since that time, the Origin has been further developed in such a way that its return is now well-warranted. Thanks for your insight. (I trust that you enjoyed both articles.) William Harris •   (talk) •  21:47, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * There is at least one other cave painting of a domestic dog, it might be in the public domain. Do you know of it? Abductive  (reasoning) 05:20, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * No, I am not aware of it. William Harris •   (talk) •  09:32, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

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My revert of your coords change
Hi, just elaborating on my edit summary in this revert. First, you gave no edit summary so I can only assume that you made the change because your personal preference is for DMS format coordinates. That's not sufficient reason for a change from decimal format. Also, per WP:COORDPREC, the coordinates you installed are less precise than suggested for that case. Thanks. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  03:35, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Mea culpa. I mistakenly assumed that decimal was the original format, but it was DMS. So I'm not opposed to changing back to DMS, but my rationale for switching to decimal in this case would be that it provides the suggested precision in a shorter and cleaner form. COORDPREC suggests d° m' s.s" (tenths of seconds precision) for an "object" the size of that concert venue. Thus, our two reasonable choices are 36.09531°N, -115.17181°W and 36.0953°N, -115.1718°W (with tweaks possible in either case, obviously). I don't think others will care (or know) enough about this to discuss it in article talk, but what do you think about it? &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  03:51, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That COORDPREC table does not agree with the table just above it that says 0.01" is 27 cm. Abductive  (reasoning) 05:25, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The second table gives the closest precision to the suggested "resolution" of one-tenth of the object size. I know, I created it (and it's gone unchallenged by editors at that project for over two years). So, for example, at around 30° latitude, 0.01" precision would be used for objects between about 3 m and 30 m in size. But we're talking about 0.1" precision, not 0.01". Per the second table, at that latitude, we wouldn't move down to d° m' s" precision until we reach a size of about 300 m. I admit it's close, but I think it's hard to justify using a 300 m object size for that case. You would have to say that the object is the entire lot bounded by the four streets. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  05:56, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I use Wikimapia as a sanity check on my coordinates because it gives a crosshair and displays the coords of that crosshair in the lower left. Taking this concert venue as an example, if one chooses the four corners as best one can, one gets the following coords:
 * 36.0958574, -115.1725584
 * 36.0959506, -115.1708016
 * 36.0939177, -115.1707748
 * 36.0938613, -115.1724726
 * Note that these differ in the third digit.
 * Now, if I take the center of these four points, I get 36.09490595, -115.1716666 which converts to 36° 5' 42" N, 115° 10' 18" W (this W one very neatly).
 * Going back to Wikimapia, the parking lot this concert took place in is about 6.8" wide. It goes from 115°10′14.4″W to 115°10′21.2″W Why then would one need to create coords with a precision of 0.1" when the center is at 115°10′18″W, but changing the 18 to 21", 20", 19", 18", 17", 16", or 15" still would all point within the lot?  Abductive  (reasoning) 06:15, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Clearly we take a very different approach to coordinates, but it's not clear to me whether you are taking into account that precision reflects object size. That doctrine, for lack of a better word, was accepted and used for years before I showed up (I created the second tables only to make the process easier and more accessible, avoiding some arithmetic that was challenging and error-prone for many editors). The accepted approach is (1) determine a logical object size, (2) consult the tables for the best precision, and (3) find the coordinates using that precision that are closest to the center of the object. Provided that the marker is somewhere within the object, we don't increase precision merely to get closer to the center. I think the only thing we should be discussing is whether the "object" should be the entire lot, much of which was not occupied by concert-goers. Does this help at all? &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  06:45, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think about accuracy and precision. If one looks at the same coords in different mapping services, such as Bing, one will see that the error between Bing and Google is huge relative to your desired precision. Also, one must keep in mind that these objects are two dimensional, which means that when you say that you want to go 1/10th smaller, you really only need to go sqrt(0.1) or 0.31623 smaller. Finally, the original rational for connecting precise coords to object size was that the mapping services would zoom in or out depending on the preciseness of the coordinates they were fed. Now they ignore that. Abductive  (reasoning) 06:56, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Your reasoning is inconsistent with the only guidelines we currently have on this, those at WP:OPCOORD and the derivative COORDPREC. That takes us into philosophical territory about whether community consensus is found in guidelines or in what editors do (which is virtually impossible to measure). I really don't want to go there, so I concede and you're welcome to put whatever coordinates you want in that article. &#8213; Mandruss  &#9742;  07:06, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * My reasoning is nevertheless correct. Try my DMS coords in the article now. Note that they take you to an appropriate zoom level in Bing maps, which still attempts to parse the coords it is fed. Abductive  (reasoning) 08:05, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2017 November newsletter: Final results
The final round of the 2017 WikiCup is over. Congratulations to the 2017 WikiCup top three finalists:
 * First Place -
 * Second Place -
 * Third Place -

In addition to recognizing the achievements of the top finishers and everyone who worked hard to make it to the final round, we also want to recognize those participants who were most productive in each of the WikiCup scoring categories:
 * Featured Article – Cas Liber (actually a two-way tie with themselves for an astonishing five FAs in R2 and R4).
 * Good Article – Adityavagarwal had 14 GAs promoted in R5.
 * Featured List – and  both produced 2 FLs in R2
 * Featured Pictures – improved an image to FP status in R5, the only FP this year.
 * Featured Topic – has the only FT of the Cup in R3.
 * Good Topic – Four different editors created a GT in R2, R3 and R4.
 * Did You Know – Adityavagarwal had 22 DYKs on the main page in R5.
 * In The News – had 14 ITN on the main page in R2.
 * Good Article Review – completed 31 GARs in R1.

Over the course of the 2017 WikiCup the following content was added or improved on Wikipedia: 51 Featured Articles, 292 Good Articles, 18 Featured Lists, 1 Featured Picture, 1 Featured Topics, 4 Good Topics, around 400 Did You Knows, 75 In The News, and 442 Good Article Reviews. Thank you to all the competitors for your hard work and what you have done to improve Wikipedia.

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We will open up a discussion for comments on process and scoring in a few days. The 2018 WikiCup is just around the corner! Many thanks from all the judges. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. ,, and MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:40, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2018
So the 2017 WikiCup has come to an end. Congratulations to the winner, to the other finalists and to all those who took part. 177 contestants signed up, more than usual, but not all of them submitted entries in the first round. Were editors attracted by the cash prizes offered for the first time this year, or were these irrelevant? Do the rules and scoring need changing for the 2018 WikiCup? If you have a view on these or other matters, why not join in the WikiCup discussion about next year's contest? , and. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:58, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * Thanks! —Anomalocaris (talk) 20:03, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
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 * See Linter. Please be aware that I am editing dozens of User talk every day, and if you don't ping me, there's no telling when I'll see your reply. —Anomalocaris (talk) 10:00, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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ITN/C

 * Um, whilst many may believe politicians are all lying scum (and many, indeed, are), you can't simply call a BLP a "murderer". This was reverted by someone else, I put it back before realising they were right. Be as scathing as you want about politicians but there's a line you can't cross. Black Kite (talk) 00:28, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You need to stop inciting anger (either intentionally or unintentionally) at ITN/C, by your completely off-topic commentary there. Whether it is embedded in on-topic posts or not is irrelevant to the matter at hand. You are fully permitted, and even encouraged, to add your input on how articles do or do not meet community standards (policies/guidelines etc. [including notability]), or how ready you think they are for posting on the main page (referencing issues, etc.). Nothing else is asked for or permitted there. Wikipedia is not anyone's soapbox, it is an encyclopedia. Please discontinue treating it as anything less. I do not appreciate having to clean the page of your mess. &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 17:51, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTCENSORED. Abductive  (reasoning) 00:40, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm JayCoop. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Turpin case that didn't seem very civil. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Calling people a "dullard" is uncivil. Jay Coop &middot;&#32;Talk &middot;&#32;Contributions 04:34, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * All I know about is the way you "write". Abductive  (reasoning) 05:19, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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