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Question about Images
Hi Abductive: Thanks so much for your wonderful welcome on my Talk Page. I really appreciate that you noticed my work on Burton Jastram's Wiki page. I'm feeling somewhat stymied here as I have photos I want to upload to his page, but I don't know how to research the status of the photos. I have a Yearbook photo that I found online. The people that posted the Yearbook photo, I think, were the ancestry.com folks. Where would they get the right to publish this photo and once they do, does it belong to them or to the public?

Also, I have personal photos that have been shared with me by Burt's daughter. They are from her personal collection. In addition, she's sharing with me all his Olympic scrapbook contents from 1932, which is quite exciting. I wanted to upload the image that's on his Olympic Identification Card from 1932 but since the picture and the ID card are so old, I don't know if it's the possession of the Olympic Committee or if it belonged exclusively to Burt Jastram and then to his heirs, etc.

I also have photos of the entire team that came from Burt's memorabilia. I can certainly get permission from his daughter to use these and she knows my intentions and is purposely sending me as much as she can for this reason.

I really need your advice and suggestions about how to deal with this issue. Thank you so much!

Elleanee (talk) 15:37, 4 April 2013 (UTC)ElleaneeElleanee (talk) 15:37, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I talked with the ancestry.com people and they say that the yearbook photos that they publish are public domain. I think I screwed up the text under his photo. It's so complicated trying to upload a photo and I just didn't find an appropriate category to fit this one into.

I still need your help with the other photo questions, if you have time. Thanks so much! Elleanee (talk) 19:53, 4 April 2013 (UTC)ElleaneeElleanee (talk) 19:53, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!

Elleanee (talk) 13:14, 5 April 2013 (UTC)ElleaneeElleanee (talk) 13:14, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Pope Francis article
Dear Abductive, I just read your new comment on the talk page for the Pope Francis article, and understand and take your point about encyclopedia article vs newspaper article. I see how you rewrote the sentence in the "bishop" sentence, and think it is improved. I don't agree there can be "no quotes" or "no 'according to'" phrases...but I see what you mean in terms of the number of times both are used in this article, and do think it needs improving. Having said that, the specific phrase that is part of the ongoing discussion is actually a fact included in an editorial which is completely positive about Pope Francis, citing a reason why he is in a position to have an extremely good understanding of the Jewish community. I don't think it violates BLP in any way. Perhaps there is a way to state this fact and reference it, like you did with the statement in the bishop section? By the way, I have reverted your deletion twice -- and will NOT do it again. This is as close to an edit war as I have ever come, and will not cross the line. But I hope we can discuss the issues you raise before this line is erased. NearTheZoo (talk) 21:43, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not just a BLP issue, it is also problematic because it comes from an Op-Ed. Furthermore, it says nothing that is not already in the article. Look over other articles on world leaders such as Obama for pointers on how to minimize text without losing information. Abductive  (reasoning) 21:50, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding off-line. It is not an Op-Ed (which, as you know, is usually an opinion piece from an individual), but instead, is an editorial, representing the newspaper (in this case, The Jerusalem Post, the major newspaper in Israel for English language speakers). I don't think the point of this quote has been made elsewhere, which is that because Francis comes from Argentina rather than Europe, his life-long relationship with a large Jewish community is very unusual for a pope. (The fact is that the Jewish community in Argentina includes many Jewish individuals and families who fled there because of the Holocaust.) I think this point is very important -- and it is made by comparing him to the pope (John Paul II) who is widely considered to be the pope who had the most positive relationship with the Jewish community, thereby showing how truly positive Francis is in the "hearts and minds" of the worldwide Jewish community. Anyway, my hope is that you might be willing to leave this quote for now -- especially because so many other editors have weighed in to say it is both positive and appropriate -- and give me a chance to see how it can be made more like an encyclopedia than a newspaper?  Thanks again for this conversation! NearTheZoo (talk) 22:01, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * A quick PS -- I should add that not only do I agree with your newspaper vs encyclopedia statements, but (after reading your words) I have to admit that I'm probably one of the prime offenders. I often use "according to" or a direct quote because I'm (too) afraid of putting in anything that smacks of original research or personal opinions on my part. I'll do better in the future. NearTheZoo (talk) 22:13, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Abductive  (reasoning) 07:05, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for making the redirect until such time as we can get the original article resored. Im curious about your suggestion that it may be a subspecies, do you have citations that can be added to the article when its back?-- Kev min  § 20:41, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

AFT5 re-enabled
Hey Abductive :). Just a note that the Article Feedback Tool, Version 5 has now been re-enabled. Let us know on the talkpage if you spot any bugs. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 00:42, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Wadi al-Jarf
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deletion of articles
Hi there, I disagree with your deletions of the Morrell and Hullett articles (as I'm sure you've realised). You say they are content forks, I'd say they are merely WP:SPINOFFs. Both the cases were significant, so why shouldn't they have their own articles? The pages have existed for years so it's strange no one before you has tried to delete them if they are so clearly forks. Regards, Malick78 (talk) 17:02, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, let's talk here about your deletions rather than reverting each other and having no dialogue. You say "No, is is duplicative and the main article does not need spinoffs" - well, I disagree so we need to talk.
 * The Morrell article is about a death which led to a trial and world-wide headlines. It's an issue in its own right and takes up more space than the Bodkin Adams article can afford. The case also led to changes in the law.
 * The Hullett case was the one that led to Adams' initial indictment, but was later dropped in an 'abuse of process'. The case is therefore independently interesting. If you feel that has not been stressed enough in the article, then ask me to elaborate on it.
 * Lastly, there were dozens of other murders that Adams possibly committed and those cases don't have their own articles. Morrell and Hullett do because they were the main murders that Adams was pursued on. They are therefore more important. Please note that hundreds of other WP readers interested in this case have grasped that and seen that the articles should stay.Malick78 (talk) 09:35, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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Overlinked?
Could you be more specific about what links, specifically, motivated you to place this tag? Daniel Case (talk) 15:54, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Generally one only links to articles that are on people and places. Also to specific events, unusual concepts that the reader won't know, and so forth. Abductive  (reasoning) 15:57, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I mean, there are links to medicine, lingerie and glasses, fer chrissakes. Abductive  (reasoning) 16:02, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright—how does it look now? Can we remove the tag? Daniel Case (talk) 23:09, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * What is your interest in this article? There's no need to ask me if the tag can be removed, you are an admin with 110k edits. I just tagged it so WikiGnomes could find it. Abductive  (reasoning) 23:53, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I created it some while ago and it's on my watchlist (I think some of the links we removed were added between now and then by other editors (usually IPs), but I'm not going to blame it all on them). Please, don't think that my user rights and experience exempt me from extending basic courtesies. I certainly don't. Daniel Case (talk) 02:38, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Trending towards vandalism
Your continued removal of valid entries from Scott Johnson, contrary to the disambiguation guidelines and contrary to the talk page discussion, is looking like vandalism now. Please stop. -- JHunterJ (talk) 18:08, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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Gothic Subculture
Abductive, as you recently commented on a now removed section of the Goth Subculture article, i'd like to ask for your input on this section: Violence section Sephiroth storm (talk) 23:10, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * If you say so. Abductive  (reasoning) 18:44, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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I got your email but this sort of thing shouldn't be kept offwiki. If you have a genuine concern you should raise it. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:24, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for your interest in the ITN candidate, it appears however that your assertion there was incorrect. Perhaps worth a re-visit, just in case you'd like to respond to the folks who have disagreed with your claim. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:03, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Explanation
I reverted your edit at Necrolestes, as a Lazarus taxon can be extinct, itself. The only stipulation being that it died out long after the extinctions of its other relatives. Necrolestes is considered a Lazarus taxon as it is the only Cenozoic representative of a group of otherwise exclusively Mesozoic mammals.--Mr Fink (talk) 00:43, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

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ITN for C. Everett Koop
-- Spencer T♦ C 00:50, 27 February 2013‎ (UTC)
 * thx Abductive  (reasoning) 18:51, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

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Can you explain the reasoning behind this edit? It's no more inappropriate than the stuff about the buildings or the 21 gun salutes and was sourced. -- MichiganCharms (talk) 04:49, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, do you have a source that states that the genome of this plant has been sequenced? Thanks, Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:34, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Nature, and it's open to read right now. Abductive  (reasoning) 21:45, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 July newsletter
We're halfway through this year's penultimate round, and the competition is moving along well. Pool A's currently leads overall, while Pool B's  is second. Both leaders are WikiCup veterans, and both have already scored over 600 points this month. If the round were to end today,, with 274 points, would be the lowest-scoring participant to make it through. This indicates that participants will need a score comparable to last year's (573, the highest ever) to qualify for the final. The high scores this year are a testament both to the quality of participants and to the increased focus on significant content (eligible for bonus points) in this year's competition. So far this round, both Sasata and have made up over half of their score through bonus points, with, for example, high importance FA koala earning Sasata a total of 440 points (from a multiplier of 4.4) and high-importance GA sea earning Cwmhiraeth a total of 216 points (from a multiplier of 7.2). Other articles on important topics submitted this round include a featured article on the Norman conquest of England by, and good articles on Nobel laureate in literature Henryk Sienkiewicz, Nobel laureate in physics Hans Bethe, and the noted Japanese aircraft carrier Hiryū. These articles are by, and Sturmvogel_66 respectively.

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Thanks reverting Leesburg, Virginia to restore the caption on File:Leesburg downtown.jpg. But I have to ask - isn't cc-by-sa-2.0 satisfied by the file's information page, where it says "Author	Dion Hinchcliffe"? RossPatterson (talk) 10:44, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. Given that the photo has the street in dark shadow like that, the best thing to do is just snap another pic and upload it. Abductive  (reasoning) 15:06, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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