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Khatri
Please stop adding genetics information to the Khatri article. It is both unnecessary (the Vedic point is already "substantiated") and contrary to our practice of not using genetics studies in caste articles. They're too variable, too small in sample size, usually speculative and based on a fast-developing new science. - Sitush (talk) 13:33, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Just to inform, admixture tests vary widely as they depend upon the calculators used. For example, these very Khatri samples have shown 33%–66% ASI in "MDLP K11 Modern" calculator. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:28, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Your edits
I've tried to explain my reversions in my edit summaries. Eg one of your edits relating to ethnicity was ok, the other failed WP:Ethnicity. When we use genetic studies we should stick to the main findings and not cherry pick the rest, and we should never interpret them. If an article in a peer-reviewed journal has a response, we must include that to meet WP:NPOV. Doug Weller talk 13:41, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Please be aware
- Sitush (talk) 13:42, 16 February 2019 (UTC)


 * You are new and allowances are made for that but you cannot keep reinstating stuff just because you disagree with other people. - Sitush (talk) 13:42, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Original research
See WP:NOR. At Khatri you wrote "The Khatri claim of "pure Vedic descent" seems to have some genetic backing to it as they have the largest proportion of Ancestral North Indian (ANI) ancestry out of all the Indian population groups;". Unless the article explicitly states that, we cannot use it to make an argument about something it doesn't discuss. You're evidently too new to understand our policies and guidelines but you need to follow them and listen to what other editors say when you are reverted. Doug Weller talk 13:44, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

So, unless an article explicitly states the words, we cannot use it? is that right? I will read the guidelines and make sure to follow them, thanks mate Abh9850 (talk) 13:58, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

List of Indian states and union territories by GDP per capita
You cannot just remove a verified image and put yours. Get consensus first in the List of Indian states and union territories by GDP per capita article talk page first. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:40, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

February 2019
Hello, I'm Fylindfotberserk. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Tara Sutaria, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:03, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

I have added source now. Abh9850 (talk) 17:07, 17 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Sources like wikibio are considered unreliable in Wikipedia. You need reliable source from media like The Times of India, The Hindu, etc. Visit WP:ICTF and WP:ICTFFAQ. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:50, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Average height chart
Hello there. Why have you removed so many of the entries for countries, in particular the upper figures for Norway, Netherlands and Denmark? These tall nations now present as "just above average" and all details were sourced. --Juicy Oranges (talk) 17:18, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

They were either very old (1970-80), or had extremely misrepresented and cherrypicked data. Some was just blatantly false. For example (making a separate column for 18-24 yr olds just to show a higher average height, even though the study had subjects from 18-60, intentionally misrepresenting the study to make the average bump up). Way too much clutter.

I have also removed erroneous sources from China, Brazil, Eastern Europe and any other places I could find - whilst adding a lot of recent research for the balkans (highest average height) and updating some old studies from China. Abh9850 (talk) 21:07, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn't know the sources were between 40 and 50 years old, though the one which interested me - and which is acknowledged in other sources being used is the Dutch figure of 1.838 on 21-year olds. The only inaccuracy is that it was self-reported rather than measured (and people more often exaggerate themselves by that mere fraction) but self-reported statistics do constitute valid data, and the year in this case was 2009. Any thoughts? --Juicy Oranges (talk) 22:05, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

That's just not accurate or reliable because the Dutch Government literally records all the data and breaks it down perfectly. The average for dutch men is 180.8 cm and (2013 data) and comes from www.gov.nl with a sample size of 96.8%+ of the population.

When official government data that is 100% reliable, accurate and recent is available that covers all the population, using a study from 10 years ago on just 21 yr olds is just not a valid metric or intellectually honest. IIRC, not a lot of governments record the official height of their populations (minus US, UK, NL, Australia) and we use the official national data for all those countries.

Abh9850 (talk) 14:15, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I take your point. It is parroted at every turn in popular media and in blogs/forums etc. that the "Dutch are the tallest people in the world" and all in oblivious ignorance to the Dinaric Alps count from 2005. I mean I agree with you that 21-year olds only is not intellectually honest but I always felt it is fine to include it provided the age group is declared in the chart box. It's always going to be the case that a younger subset will generate a higher figure, and I feel including 19s or younger means there is certain unfinished growth, while over 50 there is decline. --Juicy Oranges (talk) 16:49, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

April 2019
Hello, I'm Fylindfotberserk. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Disha Patani, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:52, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * And do not add castes in articles of living people even if sourced since it requires self-identification as per our policy at WP:IN. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:53, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

I totally forgot to add the source, my bad. Must've slipped my mind lol. I will add it now. Abh9850 (talk) 19:19, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Block
You have been blocked from editing for one week due to edit warring and possibly abusing multiple accounts. Please do better. El_C 11:26, 20 April 2019 (UTC) --UTRSBot (talk) 12:46, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

April 2019
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July 2019
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Unexplained edits incorrectly marked as minor
I have reverted a series of your recent edits in which you modified the family data for several scripts without providing any explanation and incorrectly marked the edits as "minor". Please see the notes about about proper use of edit-summaries and the minor checkbox, and discuss the issue on the relevant article talkpages (citing appropriate sources) before making such edits again. Abecedare (talk) 14:06, 21 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Please stop edit-warring and discuss the issue, as I suggested above. Abecedare (talk) 14:14, 21 July 2019 (UTC)


 * See Talk:Brahmi script and wait for consensus for your proposed change to be established. Abecedare (talk) 14:19, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Blocked for sockpuppetry

 * Hi Abh9850. I'm Kevin, and I'm the blocking administrator here, which means that I am allowed to accept your unblock request if I wish (but not decline it: an independent admin has to review in order to decline). I have a couple questions: Why did you say above that it's not my fault if some people comment on the talk pages of the issue I'm discussing when you in fact knew the people who were continuing your reverts and knew that they likely would not have done so had you not brought it up? Also, do you know how your friends were so fluent in Wikipedia lingo beginning with their first edits? Reviewing administrator: I'm inclined to conditionally unblock if answers to my questions are satisfactory, but please feel free to unblock with any reasonable set of conditions without consulting me first. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 22:30, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Kevin

Well, because at first I didn't even realize they had done this as I'm not that wikipedia savvy. The talk pages and discussions confuse me a lot due to the markup kinda text and I don't often pay attention to those bell notifications (If i do, i forget about them) and later just edit and log off for some days, sometimes weeks. If you look back, there was a sockpuppet investigation filed against me months ago which cleared me but I never even commented on it because I didn't even realize it was going on until it got over, I even got blocked once for 7 days and later on it got removed but I didn't even appeal it cause I didn't open wiki for some time so didn't know about it. With the latest edit war thing in which my friend commented, it took me a while to figure out it was him and when I did I didn't think it was breaking the rules (As I said, I figured it's normal if other different users do this as it's not sockpuppetry) also I genuinely felt it wasn't my fault since he just did it on his own without even consulting me so I felt a bit cheated there that I got involved in this issue because of them. I'm pretty sure they have used wikipedia before and have used it for much longer than me (I joined around 4-5 months ago). However, I do think if I had just paid a little more attention to all of this and read the rules, this situation could've been avoided completely so it is my fault there. Rest I will leave to you, thanks.

Abh9850 (talk) 12:36, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Alright. I'll unblock you if you agree to the following conditions:
 * You agree to refrain from creating or using any other account (or editing while logged out of this account) without the advance permission of an administrator.
 * You agree to make no more than one revert on any page in any 24-hour period ("1RR"); instead, you will seek to discuss on the talk page. You agree that if someone you think is a friend of yours or was brought to the article by you makes a revert, that also disallows you from making a revert on the same page in the next 24 hours.
 * These conditions will be indefinite in duration but may be lifted by any administrator. I will be inclined to lift the second one after a solid history of contributions to discussions rather than reverting. If you agree to these conditions, let me know; otherwise, another admin will review your appeal. Best, Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 20:13, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Ok, those conditions are fine by me. No problem

Thanks

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Gaddi
I have reverted you at Gaddi. We do not use Raj era sources (see User:Sitush/CasteSources), nor should you be adding unsourced statements. It is also unhelpful to remove things without explaining why you have done so. - Sitush (talk) 11:13, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

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Useful links
Here are some useful links, this one and this. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 06:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

This helps to clear it up, thanks for the help

Abh9850 (talk) 09:03, 27 September 2020 (UTC) Fylindfotberserk


 * Welcome. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, could you provide page numbers for the references you recently added in List of Khatris? -Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:51, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok I have added them for your perusal, let me know Abh9850 (talk) 16:57, 25 November 2020 (UTC) Fylindfotberserk (talk)


 * Couldn't find Pran Nath Thapar here, can you provide link to the specific page URL her in your talk page? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:13, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Check this out – https://books.google.co.in/books?newbks=0&redir_esc=y&id=tXX1MAAACAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=thapar

Abh9850 (talk) 18:33, 25 November 2020 (UTC) (talk) 17:13, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Nice, I've updated with this link. IMO it is better, since the WP:COMMONNAME of that article has the surname Thappar, and his first name is possibly not mentioned in the source. So a search using his surname and the first name results in "0 results". - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

September 2020
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Good edits in Khatri page
You have made some good edits in Khatri page and as I have also been trying to make the page more neutral from being overly anti Khatri, I appreciate your work. Just one correction, Dewan Mokham Chand and Hari Singh Nalwa weren't generals of Khalsa army, they were generals of the army of Sikh empire. Khalsa army refers specifically to Khalsa panth wherein one joins after taking Amrit, whereas Sikh empire army consisted of diverse people. Sayanha7 (talk) 22:10, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment, no worries Abh9850 (talk) 20:42, 22 November 2020 (UTC) Sayanha7 (talk)

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Neeraj Chopra
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Khatri page
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Will do so. Thanks for the notification.

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August 2021
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 * For reference, the edit in question is Special:Diff/1038473903. I found it to be utterly misleading and deceptive. The very source you cited does not even explore Batra's early life to begin with, let alone mentioning immaterial drivel like what caste he belonged to. Considering that you have been here long enough to know the ropes, and to make yourself acquainted with the policies of this site, this shocking use of a WP:FAKE citation is even more deplorable. You need to explain why you did it, lest you find yourself all at once in deep waters. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 18:29, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

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Content from sources needs to be summarised
I've checked only parts of your edit here, but you seem to have added sentences from this book as is. Can you please read WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASING and rewrite them in your own words? hemantha (brief) 02:36, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Sure, I will paraphrase and rewrite. hemantha (brief) Abh9850 (talk) 08:19, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

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Some suggestions
Dear @Abh9850, Nice to hear you are developing saraswat Brahmins page just my some suggestions. 1.There is lot of unnecessary explanation of saraswats of konkan mainly in occupation page so it can be reduced in few sentences and can add occupation of Kashmiri saraswat.Punjab Saraswats,Kutch saraswat and Bihar saraswat. 2.The definition of page is according to religious belief of Saraswat of west coast so you can add all saraswats information. 3.Marriage can be expanded. 4.Origin myth remains same for all the saraswats irrespective of location.

Just one information to that is Gaud saraswat and shenvis are not same.In konkan Gaud saraswat contains 7 group where shenvi is one small community .You may get confused as many source have written them as synonym due to lack of research.You will find more information regarding shenvi Brahmins more than other gaud Saraswats as they were administrators and warriors from past 800 years.Maratha empire power struggle made Dravid Brahmins to slander them and they slandered Dravid Brahmins.Many top level research are there regarding this.Just giving this info to avoid your confusion.If you want any help in this can reach me out as even I have already doing research on this to expand. Rodrigus0 (talk) 06:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Khatri
Why are you removing the longstanding parts (silk weaving and others)? Get consensus in the talk page before making such changes. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I have not removed it, it still exists in the footnotes to the sources, that was the edit since at least the pasy 7-8 months since you changed it. Abh9850 (talk) 18:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC) Fylindfotberserk


 * Which version? You are removing the 'silk production and weaving' repeatedly. Also this particular line, I believe is longstanding, for years. I'm restoring stuff here. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, feel free to do so then, but I think a further discussion can be opened on the talk page, because the silk production and weaving is something the Khatri caste in Gujarat and Maharashtra was occcupationally known to do, not in Punjab (and the Wiki page is about the Khatri caste of the Punjab region, as you yourself added in the edit.). So this deserves a clarification in my opinion. Let me know what you think.
 * @Fylindfotberserk Abh9850 (talk) 18:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You need to see this. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:16, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hari Singh Nalwa
I just wanted to confirm why you removed sourced content with accurate source Either you should justify your action or have a discussion with wiki users Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa Talk Page @Abh9850 Truthfindervert (talk) 04:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)


 * there is absolutely nothing controversial about this topic, its purely vandalism. there is uniform academic consensus (of every single modern scholar of worth on sikh history) on what Indian caste Hari Singh Nalwa belonged to and you are unilaterally undoing long standing consensus on this page without any discussions on talk.
 * @Truthfindervert Abh9850 (talk) 07:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * However you should cite the list of sources except vanit nalwa and autar sandhu in which his family background mentioned khatri or anything else if it possible don’t try to undone an dispute topic,Also one more important thing you need to understand khatri source are much latter despite early sources mentioned him as non khatri you can through this snipshot
 * This
 * non-scholarly and non-independent source is authored by Vanit Nalwa, who is a neuropsychologist and hypnotherapist by profession. This is non-independent source, as she is a relative of the subject.So this is not reliable for Sikh history. For historical details, please cite scholarly sources authored by historians – see
 * WP:SCHOLARSHIP
 * and
 * WP:HISTAR
 * References Truthfindervert (talk) 15:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * References Truthfindervert (talk) 15:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)