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NIU shooting
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edit reversion at Huntley High School
Hello Abog!

I recently reverted your edit at this article, and felt that I should explain why.

I removed a few sections and made some large scale edits to the article ... it was mostly unencyclopedic information, and a few unreferenced claims. Another editor indeed did vandalize this article after me. It looked like that you reverted their edits and mine. If you have any problems with my edits, I left an explanation at the article talk page, and would be more than happy to talk about what I did. Have a great day! LonelyBeacon (talk) 21:37, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

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Aerosmith Discography
Why have you returned the previous format? it is not wikipedia standard. Detailed info in the discography of an artist goes on their respective discography page. Al that is to be listed is studio albums and their year of release. Not any other info or single info.Yellowxander (talk) 19:01, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * For reference; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Musicians/Article_guidelines#_Discography_sectionYellowxander (talk) 19:10, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It is a guideline as to what should be done, and is done on every other page.Yellowxander (talk) 08:07, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

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Is DeKalb downstate?
I am aware that the definition of what constitutes the Chicago metropolitan area is evolving, quite naturally, as the population of Chicagoland increases and spreads. When I was growing up, not far from NIU, anyone suggesting that DeKalb was part of the Chicago Metropolitan area would have been laughed at. Well, given that the federal government now considers DeKalb County to be part of the CMA, it's no longer a laughing matter, but neither is it a widely accepted one. I would bet a dinner at Le Francais (if it were still open) that 80% of DeKalb denizens would still reject the idea that they are part of suburban Chicago today, and if you ask people like me, over 50 and native to the area, that figure would go well above 90%.

But you asked for links, and so here's a few that (I think) make it clear that, at least in DeKalb, DeKalb is still considered to be part of Downstate, not part of suburban Chicago. None of these carry the official weight of the US federal government, but instead are reflective of what is simply regarded locally as the obvious truth--and I think the residents may know their area better than do the bureaucrats in Washington. This is a few that showed up in a quick google search--more than a few minutes would undoubtedly provide more.

Government

 * The City of DeKalb itself
 * DeKalb County States Attorney

Unofficial sources

 * some kind of real estate entity
 * some political website
 * Downstate Management Association

Happy editing, HuskyHuskie (talk) 07:38, 26 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for providing those links that seem to include DeKalb in the category of downstate. Having gone to school at NIU and having lived in DeKalb for five years, and continuing to be a regular visitor to the area, I have never heard DeKalb referred to as being "downstate". At the same time, I never heard anyone refer to it as a suburb of Chicago either. While it is technically part of the Chicago metropolitan area (a designation based primarily on commuting & economic patterns), DeKalb seems to be kind of a grey area to me. It is sort of linked to the western suburbs of Chicago, sort of also linked to Rockford, yet it is also very independent. Based on its loose connection and proximity to the Chicago suburbs (and also now technically part of the Chicago metropolitan area), I thought it was a bit of a stretch to consider it part of downstate, but the number and diversity of references you have provided seem to indicate that enough entities classify it as downstate to permit inclusion. Thanks for the info and happy editing to you as well. Abog (talk) 09:39, 26 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your generous attitude. When I read your post, I immediately did a Google search and pasted those links above as the first ones I came across.  But after my posting, I did some more searching--anticipating that there would be a plethora or supportive sources, but there were not as many as I wanted.  I was most disappointed that I could not find any direct references in the Chronicle to DeKalb as "downstate" (though there were some indirect references, where the paper was citing someone else's usage).  I know that when I was "in the newspaper business" (I delivered the Daily Chronicle--then called the DeKalb Daily Chronicle--back in the 60s) the editorial policy was one of pride in being one of the more important downstate papers (a delusional concept, to be sure, but it's how they presented themselves).   Today, from my research yesterday, I realize that they clearly want to position themselves as a part of the CMA.  So I'm starting to realize that I'm probably behind the times; I left the area some years back, and maybe I've assumed to much.


 * So, despite your kind words, intellectual honesty forces me to accept that DeKalb probably is in a grey area, as you say. So I'm now okay with your edit that I reverted, if that's still okay with you.  I appreciate the opportunity to edit alongside of someone with your temperament.   (However, the federal government can be damned, I still will NOT accept that Kishwaukee College is a "suburban Chicago college" as some have tried to do, just because it's (barely) within DeKalb County.  It's still in the middle of a friggin' cornfield, for pete's sake.) 02:42, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

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Huntley High School
I recently removed a bunch of non encyclopedic content from the above article. You replaced it with an explanation of vandalism. This was not in any way vandalism, and you should apologize. However, what you are doing is edit warring. when someone reverts unreferenced material or unencyclopedic content with an explanation in the edit summary, you do not just replace it. You come to the article talk page and discuss it. the burden is on you, the editor that wants to put the properly reverted material back, to justify its inclusion. I will be undoing your last edit and I await your explanation on the article's talk page. you will be at 3RR on your next revert, so I would suggest talking rather than reverting. Doing otherwise may possibly lead to you being blocked. John from Idegon (talk) 22:12, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

November 2013
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 * Take it to the article talk page. No matter how you think things should work, the way I described to you is HOW they work.  It is not a case of referencing for the most part, it is a case of unencyclopedic content.  I removed unencyclopedic content, you just put it back without discussion, the discussion you were supposed to start before replacing the content.  I did it for you. Talk about it there.  I don't need a damn apology for you replacing the material, although it would have been better if you would have done things as you should have.  What you need to apologize for is calling it vandalism.  It isn't.  I would contend that folks who just blindly insist on keeping the content they want in an article are as much of a problem with editor's leaving.  Perhaps if you would have at any point learned the way the editing cycle works, you wouldn't feel so put upon when an editor does what he is supposed to do. John from Idegon (talk) 23:11, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * You might wish to observe that there are now two editors trying to explain the problem to you, yet you keep just shoving it back in. Why are you not hearing that?  It does not belong.  BTW, the other editor is an administrator.  I am not going to report you to the 3rr notice board, but you need to understand how this works.  Please take a look at WP:BRD.  you do not just keep shoving material back into articles.  You discuss it.  You are not doing that and it is on you, not me to do that. John from Idegon (talk) 23:26, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

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Aerosmith
This was a pretty heavy-handed revert of 61 revisions. I can understand that maybe the overall wording wasn't optimal - I struggled with it along the way myself, but I think we could move forward instead of just throwing out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak. For example, along the way, there were several ref improvements at the very least...I'm sure there is more salvageable. What do you say? Frank &#124;  talk  21:08, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

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Huntley, Illinois
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