User talk:Aboutmovies/archive6

Salem Pioneer Cemetery
If you look at it on Google Earth, its crystal clear the cemetery is one of the largest in the area. Period. PLEASE tell me you at least live in Oregon. --Ragemanchoo (talk) 13:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for update of Winchester Bay, Oregon
Hello. I appreciated your clean-up of the Winchester Bay site. Finchbook01 (talk) 06:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, njcraig

 * Thanks for the information you provided on my talk page about assessments. It was very helpful for me as I am fairly new to wiki and am still learning my way around. Would be happy to help evaluate new articles with you and others. Just busy right now until after my step down as Emperor of New York.  After that, will have much more time to work on articles and help improve Wiki for articles that I have some interest in. Found the assessment section and added my two prime articles for review. Trying to figure out what I need to make a B class on either of them.  Specific feedback would be helpful as I prepare new articles for future inclusion in Wiki.  Again, thanks for your guiding hand.  I am sure we will be in touch more as time goes on. C. Williams (talk) 14:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Once again, thank you for your great direction on the article Kim Peyton. I appreciate your comments on how to make the article better and qualify for B class.  I will work toward finding some old photo's of her and locating the information you suggested to improve the article.  I look forward to working with you in the future to expand and enhance Wikipedia. C. Williams (talk) 18:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, thanks for going through some of the other assessments, and again welcome to the project. We always can use new editors. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, West Coast Airlines Flight 956, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid (talk) 20:15, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I shouldn't get any credit on this one. I only added a bit after it was started and not enough to trigger the 5 fold. But I've got 2 or 3 other currently nominated, so I'll happily take credit for those soon enough. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

So...
When little George cut down that cherry tree, when did you suspect he was lying? It would make a good section on his page. :) Awotter (talk) 00:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know if I was 100% sure she was or is not the age of 120. It seems unlikely, but you never know. As to lying, I'm not sure if she ever was. She may have been delusional or senile, or relatives made it up back then (maybe some sort of pity play to get money for an old lady), or even the possibility that at some time she actually believed her mother's birth year was her own and so she really thought she was that age. Hard to tell. Until someone does a full inquiry that looks at every census record back and can track down the mother's death place and maybe find some third party sources showing references to her prior to 1810 or so, we may not know one way or the other. Then as to motivations, we may never know, and any theory as to how/why would be speculation. It's interesting, but its also been tiring due to strong accusations on both sides from people not really familiar with how Wikipedia works. The WPOR people never cared how old she was, only that the rules be followed, and I know I take exceptions to people saying there are errors and what not since we could only go by what was published. But I digress. Aboutmovies (talk) 00:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Hillsboro High School
I feel that the list of IB classes taught at Hillsboro High School should remain up. Since Hillsboro High School is one of only ten IB schools in Oregon, I believe it benefits people to view what specific classes they offer. A full class list I agree to be unnecessary, but a select list to rarely offered classes is a unique trait to the school.Nerdyback (talk) 20:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm back... Ready to resume getting COTW notices.
I just wanted to let you know that I am back in Portland and will be resuming Oregon related photo contributions in the near future. I'd also like to be back on the COTW notice list so that I can help out with that again. I'll be seeing you around the Wiki-Project Oregon. Cheers -Fcb981 (talk:contribs) 02:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, and welcome back. Aboutmovies (talk) 02:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: I've been troubled
First, I did not question your integrity. You think I am targetting your integrity and unfortunately is untrue. Second, if you want EVERYONE to declare COI (such as working with him on blah blah blah project or co-write an article that is now FA), I think the list will go for pages. Lastly, "directly engaged" is a neutral word so I can't relate this to violation of WP:CIVIL in any way. Final advice, if you are troubled (as written on your notice's subject), then don't read it! No one is forcing you to read it, eh? Anyways, please take accept my apology if you feel confused because of my comments. Now I have to get back to study because I got an exam on tomorrow. OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really what I would expect from an admin. Aboutmovies (talk) 02:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

my apparently unconstructive edit
Hi Aboutmovies,

You don't know me, so I don't mind that you reverted my edit. Probably you don't have much time to figure out if an edit was good or vandalism. It probably looked like I deleted a lot of text, but all I did was to replace a section (former ACS presidents) with a navigational box. I hope you don't mind if I revert your action. Thanks Mgnelu (talk) 06:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Matthew Deady
I have reviewed the article against the GA criteria. It is on hold so that you have time to address comments that I left on the article's talk page. Royal broil 03:44, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The article Matthew Deady that you nominated as a good article has passed [[Image:Symbol support vote.png|25px]]. Well done! Royal broil  04:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Various loose ends
Thanks for the new shiny barnstar! I don't think I have that one yet. Collect them all! Hey since you're all about DYK noms, can you look at Template talk:Did you know and see if my Malheur Rez nom is up to snuff? Also if you could check out the Scappoose Airport and especially the Finley family threads on my talk page, that would be great. Thanks for chiming in about the frat. Back to work... Katr67 (talk) 18:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The DYK is slightly long (200 character max), would this work for you: "that the Malheur Reservation in the U.S. state of Oregon was set aside for Native Americans in 1872 and opened to European American settlement by Ulysses S. Grant in 1876?"
 * I'll check in on the other items later. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the award! Thats all I wanted to say. Little Mountain 5 (talk) 15:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK nom
Hi. I've nominated Willamette Collegian, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know, where you can improve it if you see fit. Nice work! -Pete (talk) 21:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

BV
Thanks for the catch on my erroneous revert of the Burgerville article. I wasn't doing a good job of assuming good faith by the anon. editor. Cacophony (talk) 07:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. Though it did take me a minute to make sure I wasn't crazy. Do you have a pics of Portland City Hall, especially the Fifth Ave side? Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I just added one from the 4th Ave side that I took today. The 5th Ave side was much more difficult due to vegetation, parked cars, and traffic.  Maybe it will be better if I try on a Sunday Morning.  I'll create a commonscat and put my best efforts from today there.  Cacophony (talk) 06:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Portland City Hall
OK then you can revert.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 08:51, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The information given are present in the references.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 08:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Chapman
Thanks for including that. I'm reminded of the flap around the Henry Wemme estate flap, in which George W. Joseph and T. Mannix were disbarred following Joseph's accusing CJ John L. Rand of colluding with Mannix. Crazy times back then. -Pete (talk) 00:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Your DYK nomination for Mitchell Recreation Area was successful
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid (talk) 04:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Brad Cloepfil
Hi, I'm not sure exactly where to go for this, but I noticed that you're on both the Project Oregon and Project Biography collaborations, so I thought I'd ask you for some help. I rewrote the article on Brad Cloepfil a while back, but it seems that no one has gotten around to reviewing the changes. I believe the notability of the article was in question and hopefully I provided enough to establish notability. Would it be appropriate for me to ask you (or ask you where to find help) to look it over for quality? I didn't want to delete the cleanup tag without any outside comments, but would like to see it gone. I would also like to see it upped to at least a start-class on the quality scale (but I'm not sure what the requirements are) and want to know what the weaknesses of the article is so I can try to improve it. I'm just not sure how these things work... Thanks! Cluskillz (talk) 20:48, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for looking into it and doing those fixes. I tried looking into his personal life to expand his biography section but there was surprisingly little. All I've found are passing remarks about where he was raised and that he has a wife and three daughters. Cluskillz (talk) 18:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Alvin T. Smith House & Central Library (Portland, Oregon) at DYK
Just a heads up that an editor has requested that you provide a quotation from The Oregonian article in the reference list for these two articles before featuring at DYK, as the newspaper's online archive doesn't seem to go back that far. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 19:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

and

Not that extraordinary
If it helps back up your claim, you could mention that I've posed for a fundraising calendar (Ms. August), as have the men of the Junction City grange... Katr67 (talk) 20:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I don't think it will be necessary, they already took it. So it'll be on the main page, plus they took the picture too! With the house shoot, they were carefully done to avoid showing certain body parts, was it the same way with you and the boys? Aboutmovies (talk) 20:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The one I did was rather...alternative. My page, to quote a local publication, was "tastefully vanilla" compared to some of the contributions (you never know what your mom might get ahold of). Where I'm from it isn't even illegal to show certain body parts in public! But the JC boys had pots of flowers, bottles of wine, etc. with some slightly riqué captions. My friend was a teacher around those parts and said "My job was paid for by a bunch of naked old guys!" They raised a ton of money for the local schools. Katr67 (talk) 21:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

My talk page
Wanna field the POV golf edit question? Katr67 (talk) 10:43, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

POV comments.
Thank you for your observations. "Wanna field the POV golf edit question? Katr67 (talk) 10:43, 23 March 2008 (UTC)"

I note this is not your first time with a newbie and I found the information insightful.

I am not writing to question your observation regarding the golf courses in Salem. You will note upon careful examination that there are only 2 golf facilities with in the city limits. Creekside Golf Club - Private requires country club membership and Salem Golf Club. A facility identified as Semi-Private with fees in excess of $55. A typical Municipal facility would have affordable fees in the $25 to $30 range.

While I may not like this situation it was not the point of my article and for my inexperience I apologize. I will have to do better.

Issues that concern me are Land Use Planning, Quality of life, truth and fairness, and educational opportunities for the entire community.

For some time now the City has ignored their "Quality of Life" commitments to the citizens, among them recreation and a subset of this Golf. This would be of little consequence except for the City's Comprehensive Land Use Plan.



In 2004 the city stated "Golf courses are the primary example of outdoor recreation use in the Salem urban area, outside of facilities contained within parks." Why would a community make such a commitment to their citizens then take action to destroy the facilities providing the services by turning the facilities into housing developments. Sure if you have the money you can still participate in this "sport" but if you are an average wage earner you have lost the ability to ride a bus or bike to a golf facility. If your a kid and you want to learn this sport you are pretty much out of luck.

Each year I volunteer to teach golf to the middle school students at Walker (in West Salem) many who are from foster homes. What irks me is that I am given a reward to share with the participants "a chance to actually play a free 9 holes of golf" after they complete the program. The problem they have to have someone drive them to Independence, Stayton, Woodburn or Mt Angel in order to test their skills on a real golf course.

What are we teaching them? Sure how to swing a club, but that is just the tip of the iceberg, kind of like the first class in contracts at Willamette Law School. The most important lessons are Integrity, honesty, confidence, sportsmanship, courtesy, judgment etc. I have discovered that golf can serve as a tool to expose these traits in a person as they play the sport. I find this a great insight into individuals.

So to get back to the original issue. The City states they recognize golf as important in the community promoting the activity as a recreational community opportunity. Then the city ignores funding such facilities for their citizens by encouraging development on such facilities.

Now this may sound like a WP:SOAPBOX or an opinion, just the same these are facts about the city Parks and Recreation services. They are facts about the City of Salem and Golf in the community. Wikipedia has elected to identify sports and recreation in the City of Salem. Does this mean only certain facts and sports are eligible? (thus my question about hiking.) Likely this was a confrontational question and I will take the reply as a learning issue. How does one specify such facts and maintain the NPOV? I understand the value of historical reporting regarding the Oregon experience. Does this mean current history and civil issues are not to be included?

I intend to focus some of my activity on the Land Use issue history in Oregon. If I learn the Wikipedia writing style I hope such subject matter would be eligible for consideration. I am unclear if one just enters an edit or is there a peer review procedure to gain the "consensus" acceptance identified in the tutorial.

Your leadership would be valued. SLM463 (talk) 04:15, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:OregonTerritorySeal outer.png)
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RE:[[Image:OregonTerritorySeal outer.png]]
I was working through a list of images missing information and I corrected the licensing of your upload to one for emblems, seals, etc. along with the needed non-free/fair use summary. After I finished, I noticed that the image was orphaned so that my correcting it wasn't needed.Shinerunner (talk) 21:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, if I'm mistaken you can always revert it back. The image has been tagged by a bot for deletion so you might want to use it in an article and then remove the deletion tag.Shinerunner (talk) 22:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Katz statue photo?
Hi Aboutmovies, I'd be happy to take some photos of the Vera Katz statue on the Eastbank Esplanade and post the best one to the Commons for use in Vera Katz if you think that's a good idea. Just let me know. Finetooth (talk) 00:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Your note
First, EL is not policy. Secondly, it's very annoying to arrive at an article about an organization, and not to be able to find a link to that organization's website. It really is just a question of common sense to include the link prominently in EL. Remember that people who read articles want to know about the subject. They want Wikipedia to make it easy for them to find the information, not create a maze for them to wander through first. :) SlimVirgin  talk| edits 01:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Now that I look at it again, you're right; it's prominent enough on the infobox, so I've reverted myself. My apologies for causing the back-and-forth. SlimVirgin  talk| edits 05:20, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Discourse is always healthy. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Debby Applegate
Oh people of the excellent library searching skills! Would you or Pete like to try to find this article for me? "Pulitzer-prize winning author has Eastern Oregon ties", East Oregonian, May 9, 2007. I can't find anything on the Eastern Oregon thing other than this vanished article. Not sure if anybody's library has access to the East Oregonian's stuff. I just want to know if she lived over there or what. Thanks! (cross-posted to Pete's page) Katr67 (talk) 18:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Mountain data
Hi. I saw your note on the Southern Oregon Coast Range discussion page. It's hard working without a general consensus about valid sources of information. I just do the best I can with the advice I get. I'm going to bring up the subject over at the WikiProject_Mountains discussion page. I have no strong feelings about it other than that we should get it right. --DRoll (talk) 18:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Trask Mountain
I copy edited the article again and I hope it is up to your specifications. If not perhaps we can discuss it before you revert my edits again. --DRoll (talk) 21:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I tried
Ok, I can find no fault with my last effort. All citations use templates except one (that because it involves a template used commonly in Mountain articles). As for date format you and Katr67 need to talk that over. It's back to format of 2008-03-31 format. That is the format suggested in the template documentation and is the format implemented in edits made by Katr67. I've been watching the discussion at Wikiproject Mountain. There always is something for us all to learn. Thanks for your efforts. --DRoll (talk) 02:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Grand Theater (Salem, Oregon)
Thanks for getting a picture of the Grand! Katr67 (talk) 17:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, I had no idea it what it was until after. I had some free time in downtown and just took pictures of as many old buildings as I could, figuring some had to be NRHP. Next time I'm planning it out, it was far too difficult to piece back together what was taken where and cross check with the NRHP listings. The code people need to work on being able to add coords to the photo requests and a way to then print it out on a simple map. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you pick up the pamphlet on Historic Downtown Salem, it will help you figure out what's what. Since most of downtown is a historic district, chances are good that everything you get will at least be a contributing property. Unless it's made of glass and chrome and steel of course. FYI, I have snaps of... The Boise Building, Boons Treasury, Garfield School, The Gray Building, some closeups of Greenbaums, The Manning Building, and the Union Street Bridge. I have Gilbert House and the Rockenfield House at A.C. Gilberts, but it was a cloudy day and the colors look like crap. Outside of downtown I have the Forestry building and the Adolph House, also the old gate at the Pen, but it doesn't look like much. Do you have J.K. Gill and I forget the rest, but the block with Wild Pear and Cook's? OK, I am about to completely lose my mind, more NRHP-geekspeak later... Thanks again! Katr67 (talk) 05:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

No COTW Spam this week?
None? :( Katr67 (talk) 02:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Later tonight, I was conducting an experiment to see if anybody would write without the notice. So far no new articles that I've seen for the current members, though I have two in the works. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Adminship
Interested? You have been a contributor more than long enough, and have helped greatly with the encyclopedia. If you think you could use the tools, I would be happy to write up a nomination statement (probably not within the next couple days, but I will likely have time this weekend). If so, I would suggest you look at past RfAs to see the types of questions you should be prepared to answer, as people have been asking a lot lately. VegaDark (talk) 04:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Let me know if you change your mind. I was thinking of asking Pete and Katr, I will have to review their contribs a bit more first though, so I will see about doing that when I have some free time. VegaDark (talk) 05:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey Sexy!
Hey! Just wanted to see how your doing! Life going well? My goal is to make friends with every single person on wikipedia! Will you be my wiki-friend? 216.229.227.142 (talk) 15:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but you will first need to fill out my Friend Application and send me your name, SSN, banking account numbers, DOB, and address to my office in Nigeria. Once the application is received my team will review your application along with all others and make a determination. We will then make a final decision within 6 weeks and let you know the decision, but don't call us, we'll call you. If you believe your application was denied in error, you may then file a formal grievance with the Aboutmovies WikiFriends Application Grievance Committee, which will then review the merits of your case and make a final determination. Beyond that, your user agreement with Aboutmovies allows Aboutmovies to move the process to binding arbitration in a jurisdiction of Aboutmovies' choice. Please let me know if you need the application form. Thank you. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Goldschmidt
Hey sexy, just wanted to thank you again for your help on Neil Goldschmidt, which was instrumental to getting it spruced up to GA quality. I'd still like to get this to FA at some point. I've managed to fill in a few details of his earlier life per your suggestion, and improve various other parts. The thing I'd most like to do is fill in some more detail about the more noted aspects of his career, such as background of Measure 5, SAIF issues, and his lobbying for Weyerhaueser and Texas Pacific. Also probably his proposal to extend the Park Blocks through downtown Portland. Anyway, just letting you know that further feedback would be great if or when you have the time. -Pete (talk) 20:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome, fellow Oregonian! Since I'm new to this, I've only made grammar changes, but I'll work up to content when I learn the ropes. Hope all is well. Kman543210 (talk) 23:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:J.K. Gill Building Salem Oregon.JPG
Oops, I think that's actually the R.P. Boise Building. J.K. Gill is the one with that bar in it. Katr67 (talk) 22:38, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I fixed it. I uploaded some others to commons I'll have to check with you on as to which ones they are some other time. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.
Thanks for the warm welcoming and help! Orange Dude (talk) 06:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Oregon State University
Thank you for your changes to Oregon State University. I have made similar changes repeatedly, which always get reverted by AgntOrange or one of his anonymous sock puppets. I don't know what to do if he persists in a pointless edit war.--Edgewise (talk) 13:15, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for the welcome. I plan to work next on the Ninian Smart entry, which needs to be expanded to show the value and nature of his contribution to Religious Studies, Shunam (talk) 20:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

OSU edit war
I made an attempt to explain the situation to the user. I also removed your subst: to the MoS because, imho, that was not necessary even if the user is causing an edit war. Also, I am not trying to take sides here, I just noticed the page while on RC patrol and I thought I might be able to at least partially defuse the situation. Thingg &#8853; &#8855; 18:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * As you can see, your efforts at mediation, while appreciated by me, have been ignored by AgntOrange He is reverting any edits than undo his work. In my opinion, this needs to be elevated to an administrator.--Edgewise (talk) 18:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, the consensus on the talk page there is pretty clear. I think we can apply the consensus in good conscience; if the reversions continue, it becomes a simple matter of WP:3RR, rather than something that requires extensive administrator/mediator intervention. -Pete (talk) 19:18, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

AgntOrange has entered a WP:Editor assistance/Requests comment under the heading, "Oregon State University". I don't know how this affects the filing of an RFC, which I will leave to you. But perhaps we should enter comments on his biased request anyway?--Edgewise (talk) 19:50, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

paragraphs
Quote WP:Better: "Paragraphs should be short enough for readability, but long enough to develop an idea. Overly long paragraphs should be split up, as long as the cousin paragraphs keep the idea in focus. Beginning with a 'bridge' or 'transition' statement such as 'Other examples abound' may be helpful. One-sentence paragraphs are unusually emphatic, and should be used sparingly. Articles should rarely, if ever, consist solely of such paragraphs."

Generally, a paragraph is used to separate ideas and in so doing makes an article easier to read. Obviously what constitutes an idea break is subject to debate, but please, don't simply quote a guideline without reading it or understanding why an editor would make a change in hopes of improving an article, especially when an assessment has been requested. thanks. 03:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for your comments to Die4Dixie, I appreciate your reasoned advocacy. To be honest, I've never seen you lay it on someone like that before, it surprises me! Van Tucky 19:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What can I say, I hate hypocrisy. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't know him very well, do you? ;) Katr67 (talk) 20:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I would like to discuss your incivility and personal attacks. Would this be a convenient place, or would you prefer email? --Die4Dixie (talk) 15:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * As I and others have pointed out, there is/was no personal attack. If you think there was, then please take it here or here, but please do not stalk me or other editors. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

William S. Ladd
Nice to see an article about him; I was wanting to do it but didn't get around to it. I see you got his addition, his carriage house and his mayoral stints, but wasn't Reed College built on Ladd land? Also, what's the NRHP "former home" that's mentioned? The carriage house? That was an outbuilding and his actual mansion was where The Oregonian's building is now.

Overall, you seem to be contributing lots of good stuff. Jason McHuff (talk) 09:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I clarified the NRHP and carriage house. With Reed, if I recall it was his son William M. Ladd who gave land for the school, as the older Ladd was dead by then. I don't know if he inherited the land from dad, or since he was a wealthy business person in his own right if he bought and donated it on his own. But if you find a source somewhere, feel free to add it to both the Ladd and Reed articles. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:07, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Help
Thank you for welcome. I have question. What buttons do you press on your keyboard to make the symbol |

Smuckers (talk) 22:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow, thanks!

Smuckers (talk) 22:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

must...resist...gubernatorial hypnosis...
Nice pic. I loved the Benson administration. It was better than Cats. I want him elected again and again... --Esprqii (talk) 19:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh..that was one of the best wikijokes I've seen! -Pete (talk) 19:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Collab suggestion
Hi AM, it's (obviously) been a busy time what with my RFA and the image placeholder discussion, but I'm glad you got Silicon Forest into COTW. I had a thought -- BarCamp Portland is this weekend, and is a largely wikilike conference that will have lots of Portland geeks with deep knowledge of its tech history. I'd like to hold a session there to "barn raise" the Silicon Forest article, i.e. get some geeks with laptops into a room and see if we can build up the article. Might recruit some new WP:ORE'ers, and produce a good article. I was thinking maybe we could keep that COTW going through the weekend, so it could be done somewhat in concert with WP:ORE. Whatcha think?

Thanks, by the way, for your kind words. -Pete (talk) 04:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Whooops! Looks like I messed up on moving it to WikiProject Oregon/About us...cut, but did not paste. Anyway, it's there now.
 * Thanks for the award! I was pretty pleased with what you, Eprqii and I were able to do...maybe we should just co-nom the three of ourselves..another kind of "triple crown"? -Pete (talk) 06:04, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Conclusion: Image placeholders centralized discussion
Hi. I'm sending this to you because you participated in the Centralized discussion on image placeholders that ended on 23 April.

That discussion must produce a conclusion.

We originally asked  "Should the addition of this box [example right] ''be allowed? Does the placeholder system and graphic image need to be improved to satisfy policies and guidelines for inclusion? Is it appropriate to some kinds of biographies, but not to others?" '' (See introduction).

Conclusions to centralized discussions are either marked as 'policy', 'guideline', 'endorsed', 'rejected', 'no consensus', or 'no change' etc. We should now decide for this discussion.

Please read and approve or disapprove the section here: Conclusion --Kleinzach (talk) 10:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Please note this message conforms to WP:CANVASSING and has not been sent to anyone has not already participated in the centralized discussion.

Thanks!
First for the welcome... It is an amazing project to slowly be dipping my 'pen' into. Hope there arent too many blots on the horizon. Patience... BlueSkyDurban (talk) 07:46, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks...
for the userpage revert. Much appreciated! Van Tucky 02:08, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for your warm welcome.--Speedracer05 (talk) 01:40, 7 May 2008 (UTC) Speedracer05 (talk) 15:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. Aboutmovies (talk) 15:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Image:Bellevue Oregon school building.JPG
Nice! Katr67 (talk) 18:51, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, not bad for shooting and driving. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Bert E. Haney
Thanks for helping me understand the importance scale better. I appreciate your wisdom and comments. C. Williams (talk) 08:59, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

WPOR award
Thank you very much. I truly appreciate the award, and I look forward to doing more work on Oregon articles. I like getting the periodic COTW suggestions from you, and I'll try to help with them as time allows. Finetooth (talk) 19:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Mt. Hood
The Mt. Hood records information is relevant encyclopedic information. Why did you remove it all? I could see if you wanted it briefer, at the most. But delete it all? Also, it is not "promotional". It is relevant to Mt. Hood mountaineering and the use of my Hood by people, that is, the social history of Mt. Hood.--Saffron1x (talk) 08:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree with your assertions, and judging from subsequent editor's actions, I'm not alone. Replied more thoroughly on your talk page. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:BandondunesLogo.gif
Thanks for uploading Image:BandondunesLogo.gif. You've indicated that the image meets Wikipedia's criteria for non-free content, but there is no explanation of why it meets those criteria. Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. If you have any questions, please post them at Media copyright questions.

Thank you for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 20:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Template conversion
Thanks. I wasn't going to update until EncMstr fixed the tl. I guess I'll let you take care of the cats too then? Katr67 (talk) 07:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

John Kitzhaber
Helloooo Aboutmovies- Just wondering why there is no information on John Kitzhaber before he was governor- what with all his work on the OHP and such. Just brought it up hear cause I know youre an expert on Oregon-related topics. --DerRichter (talk) 05:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that
Hey thanks for the welcome note.

I'm new to this, but I'll try and use the FAQ pages to get me up to speed.

Michaelssg (talk) 03:38, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

COTW
Hey, just wanted to say thanks for organizing the COTW. Don't know if you get to hear that very much, but it really does help build the collaborative spirit of WPOR and makes getting involved with the project more fun. best, Northwesterner1 (talk) 08:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Thomas H. Tongue
The article Thomas H. Tongue you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. It hasn't failed because it's basically a good article, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Thomas H. Tongue for things needed to be addressed. Ice Cold Beer (talk) 06:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Mark Hatfield's GA nomination
Just a note to let you know that I've reviewed Mark Hatfield and placed it on hold. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 09:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've reviewed your changes, and they're great. Just a few more issues in "Well-written", and I'll be ready to pass. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 05:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Cheryl Albrecht
AM, I think you can just PROD the Cheryl Albrecht article. I'm the author, and I wrote it before I was familiar with WP:NOTE (or WP:COI, for that matter). I can't imagine anyone would contest this; I know Cheryl is not deeply attached to it. -Pete (talk) 19:14, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Enjoy your wikibreak
I hope everything is going well! Katr67 (talk) 22:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 6/22, 10:52 pm, 7 lbs 5 oz. Need sleep. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:44, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hooray! Best wishes to everyone! Take care of yourselves. Katr67 (talk) 23:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, that's awesome! Congrats! Enjoy every minute. (Waking and/or sleeping). --Esprqii (talk) 00:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Me too! Big congrats! And hey, any time you can put that 7 lbs. 5 oz. to work, we've still got a few legislator stubs to crank out... -Pete (talk) 00:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you all, here are some pictures. Aboutmovies (talk) 00:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Awww! Great pictures. I feel proud like some sort of WikiAuntie. :) Katr67 (talk) 20:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Such a lookin li'l gal, thanks for sharing! Congrats on the Mark Hatfield and City Hall GA's, and of course you're welcome for the help...thought you might be a little preoccupied. And I'll get to that archiving..uh, one of these days...... -Pete (talk)

NRHP subcats
You've gone mad! No, I've been thinking that would be a good idea. BTW, did you notice there's a new "C" class rating for articles? Katr67 (talk) 08:01, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ya, the main cat was approaching 200, which I hate cats that take more than one page. I think I got all of the MultCo ones, but which county do you think has the 2nd most? That would probably get the number in the main cat under 100. I hadn't see C class, I've been slacking a bit on Wikipedia. I'm guessing that's why the B class rating color changed? Aboutmovies (talk) 08:59, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Marion is probably next up, then the others drop off considerably. Here's the goods on the C-class discussion. Katr67 (talk) 09:24, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Jessica Page Morrell
I recently noticed that you deleted the article about author Jessica Page Morrell. I started the article and believe it has merit. I'm relatively new as a contributor to Wikipedia and am still learning the ropes. You expressed some concern about "notabiltiy," and I will do my best to address that issue. Would you restore the article? Thanks. User talk: Mike Klaassen

Korazim says thanks
Hey Aboutmovies :-) Thanks for your remarks on my english entry of "The million women study". I am now working on translation of a few articles to as many langueges as possible. Attached is the mail I've just posted to the translators community, which explains my motivation best: My name is O.K, from Israel. I am interested in translation of various articles that fall under the Wikipharma project, specificly relating to women's health topics. The articles need to be translated from english to any other language. My motivation for this activity comes from a concern to women's health worldwide; During 2002 and 2003 two wide scale studies showed clearly that thew medication used to treat menopause symptoms and osteoporosis (hormone replacement therapy) doubles the chances of breast cancer and increases the chances for trombosis by nearly 40%!! I believe that it is crucial for women world-wide to have this information, understand the risks of HRT, and be aware of alternative treatments - IN ORDER TO PROTECT THEMSELVES from the interests of various online players. The articles I would like to offer for translation are: 1. The Million Women Study 2. Women's Health Initiative 3. Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators (SERMs) 4. Femarelle (DT56a) 5. Hot Flashes Sincerely, O.K. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korazim (talk • contribs) 10:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind welcome
Thank you. Thenkyn (talk) 15:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

ZehnKatzen Thanks you for invite!
I've added the userbox and even got it to flush right (even though I didn't completely understand what it was I was doing!)

Samuel John Klein, designer, illustrator, artist - Portland Oregon (talk) 07:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

My Apologies
I'm sorry. I clicked through too soon. At first glance it seemed to be a sale of some sort. Will not happen again.

Heisenbergthechemist (talk) 08:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Library
You added a few months ago the field 'coordinates' to the template of the infobox library, if I correctly inderstood the history page. I've noticed that most pages using this infobox (like most pages concerning a geographical spot) have the coordinates floating on the top of the page, thank to a template like coor dms, and so even if this second template is included into the first (i.e. into the field you added). I proposed today a revision/extension of the infobox library template, that you might be interested to see and comment about, where I wrote that the 'coordinates' field is 'probably superfluous'. I hope you won't mind. Clpda (talk) 16:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I have followed the proposal you provided on the template talk page and it works well (example in my sandbox with the Swiss NL). The coordinates are, funnily enough, duplicated on the top of the page but I don't think this redundancy is seriously problematic - who sees everything on a page ? - so, I'll remove my statement about the 'superfluousness' of this field. Kind regards, Clpda (talk) 22:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for updating the instructions. I implemented this on the example that had coordinates available. Clpda (talk) 22:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much by your commentaries !
I have forgotten to sign my contributions( Jaume Cañellas i Galindo ), under I feel, will not return to happen.--Gumersindoperu (talk) 11:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

RaShawn McAllister
Hi Aboutmovies, I already prodded it and it was deprodded by the original author. It needs to go to AFD. I will nominate it unless you want to do it. Regards, Accurizer (talk) 09:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, you already have your first !vote. Regards, Accurizer (talk) 09:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Mal Loth
Hi, and thank You for warm welcome :). --Malloth (talk) 20:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Deleting old username
Hi Aboutmovies, I was wondering if I could change my old signature here to my present username. I'm trying to get rid of all my sigs from that old username. Thanks! Little Mountain 5  03:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I changed it. Little Mountain 5  14:32, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the help with the Laurel, Oregon article. I was surprised when I found nothing on Wikipedia about it, and wanted to start something, but didn't have time to really flush things out. Thanks for your help in expanding the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidmooreinfo (talk • contribs) 16:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

first of all
I wasn't being uncivil to anyone. Secondly, Oregon's Outdoor industry, believe it or not serves as a Mecca to alot of folks within the industry at large...5 of the largest knife companies in the US are headquartered there as well as a few big players in the fields of optics, firearms, etc. My opinion is to exclude these businesses smacks of elitism. But don't worry, i'm not part of your project and don't care to be. I was improving the articles in question, saw the template on the Leatherman page and added it to the 2 of the others (Kershaw and Gerber, to downplay those two in particular is a mistake, in my opinion). As Kershaw and Gerber dwarf Leatherman in sales, it never occured to me there was a minimum amount in question until I read your revision. Even Benchmade made more revenue than the defunct cellphone company listed. Apologies if I offended. Thanks.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 13:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for DYK medal! Also, didn't know that adding wiki-Oregon banner would trigger bot to pick-up new article--will do that from now on. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 04:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Justin Meyer
Hello, this was my first Wiki contribution so I am trying my best. I added some more references. Based on my experience with wiki, I can say with certainty that I feel this article is worthy of inclusion. I will continue to add references if possible. Jimmywalnuts (talk) 17:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Hello, thank you for your note of welcome! Cantor4803 (talk) 14:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Mount Hood
Yup, thanks. -- Lord   ₪   Sunday   01:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome note!
I will spend some time on the tutorials and try to improve my first article. And then on to more! Thanks for making me feel welcome. Rudyzip (talk) 17:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Expanded McKenzie-Willamette Medical Center
Thanks for the helpful links. I located several sources and was able to expand the main body to somewhere between 1.5k and 2k. I hope to be able to contribute more as time permits. Thanks again. Bobert G (talk) 04:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I understand
This is my first posting to Wikipedia. Very impressive. Thanks for the direction. I can take care of these things. Your comments are appreciated. Garydino (talk) 11:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Non-free images
Please note that non-free images which may not comply with the non-free content criteria should be tagged as rather than PUI. Stifle (talk) 13:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Oregon/Selected picture
You seem to be pretty familiar with updating the other parts of the portal, so feel free to add these nominations in as new subpages and update the main portal page if you want - (alternatively I will get to updating from the nominations at some point soon). Thanks for all the work you put into updating the portal, it really looks awesome. Cirt (talk) 06:23, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay I will take a look at your self-noms. I am sure they are fine - the main thing I look for is to see if there is a relevant article that we can bold/highlight along with the image, double-check that the image is free-use, and of course a quick inspection of image quality. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 09:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅, I chose the option of the 2 Oregon Pioneers where you could see the face. Very nice pictures. Cirt (talk) 09:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Waldo, Jersey City
I removed WALDO because there is no such thing. That name was a place holder for an area in downtown Jersey City that was used while plans for the area were finalized. The name has not been used in years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Valeriol (talk • contribs) 19:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I didn't explain myself: WALDO never really existed, it was only a place holder. The district still exists, but it's know as the Powerhouse Arts District (PAD) and it has a redevelopment plan (the article on WALDO makes it sound like an abandoned area.) I'm going to ask someone with better writing skills than me to write a full article about PAD, I just inserted a stub.

P.S.: I apologize for forgetting to sign my previous message --Valeriol (talk) 19:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

WALDO never really existed and the fact that "some" people used it doesn't make any more real. In 2000, when the effort to save the district started, they needed a temporary name to designate the area while the proper studies were conducted. In 2002, when the Urban League Institute did their study, they proposed Powerhouse Arts District (PAD) and the name was adopted. It is incorrect to say that one of the neighborhoods in downtown Jersey City is called WALDO since the term was never intended as the name and few people ever used it. The neighborhood association that represents the people that moved in the renovated buildings is called the Powerhouse Arts District Neighborhood Association (PADNA.) If anything the term WALDO should be referenced in the article on the PAD, but should not have a separate article. --Valeriol (talk) 17:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

CAT
Ok. Sory, I made mistake. If I see some similar case can I fix it?--Vojvodaeist 09:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Matt Wingard page
Hello, back on 8/21 you removed my post from Matt Wingard's page saying (among other things) that I since I copied and pasted directly from his campaign website that I needed permission from the website owner. I am the website owner. I'll go back to research on how to properly cite this reference. Thanks. Jennyk17 (talk) 23:32, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Matt Wingard update
Thanks for responding so quickly. I've been reading through the resources/guidelines for posting. I see the dangers in posting from a self-published source. And though I am the website owner, I am not actively supporting his campaign. I just do the site. ;-) But still, all the conflict of interest, self-published stuff makes a lot of sense. I can see how damaging that could potentially be to someone. I'll make sure to relay that information back to his camp and let them know they need more reliable resources. Thanks again. Jennyk17 (talk) 23:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Interstate 82 GAN
Hello. Sorry to bother you, but I would like your second opinion on Interstate 82. It is currently a GAN and is in need of a second opinion. You may do it any time you would like and all comments would be appreciated. Thank you and have a nice day. ĈĠ (☺ - Review!) Simple? 21:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Well done
-- nice one! Victuallers (talk) 23:30, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Award
Thank you. Yes, you are right. I like them very much, and they encourage me to keep plugging away. I've been meaning to send you a note saying you were right about copyright concerns about the Vera Katz statue photo. I took the photo at a glancing angle, but the Commons editors removed it. They were right, and now I know better. The other thing I've been meaning to ask about has to do with unsourced material. I'd like to finish cleaning up the history section of the Westside Express Service so I can remove the "needs sources" tag. I've found sources for material similar to the unsourced material or most of it. What's the best approach: (1) discuss replacing the unsourced material with sourced material on the article's talk page first or (2) boldly make the changes? I prefer the "boldly" option because it's much more efficient than a discussion; on the other hand, I'm fairly new to the Oregon project, and I don't want to annoy other contributors. Finetooth (talk) 21:07, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, all of that interests me. I'm adding WES to my to-do list as well as the list of GAs you mentioned, starting with Mark Hatfield. By the way, I used your Image:WES train close up.JPG in the Oregon Electric section of Fanno Creek. Finetooth (talk) 18:31, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I need Help Please.
You offered to help earlier, so I am taking you up on the offer. In an effort to be a better and more productive contributer, I created a new article that I realized was missing from wikipedia. I read the instructions and on creating new articles and read that new users, which I am, who wish to create a new article should first create it on his/her user page first. So I did, but when I was ready to move it, I moved it, then realized I actually moved my entire user page plus talk page with it. So now I have neither, or so it seems. Could you offer advice on how to rectify this discrepancy? Jojhutton (talk) 00:45, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you did, but it seemed to work and work fast. Thank You Very Much.Jojhutton (talk) 01:01, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Downtown Languages Deletion
I must admit that I was a bit surprised to find the article I started last week about a local non-profit group was almost immediately deleted under the not-notable clause. I understand the need for speedy deletions from time to time, but really. I have a job, a life and am trying to do a bit of community service here and before I could even finish the article... it was noted, marked for deletion and then removed. I didn't even have the chance to log in a second time to complete it before the marking was up and the article gone.

I could understand this if there was something objectional about it, but in truth I was just away leading my life. Nothing notable was put in the article because I wanted to ensure that I wasn't just re-broadcasting the advertisements of the group. Speedy is one thing, but less than a week since the start of the article is something else. Really, shouldn't you at least allow two weeks for the author to check in again? Maybe wait a couple of days from the start of the article to see if it grows? I needed to check the sources of the articles in the papers, get the dates right, etc.

I apologize if I am in any way rude, but I must admit it has become a chore to even try to add articles to this forum. I would enjoy feedback since I do believe in the general concept of Wikipedia. --Lachamann (talk) 00:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Extreme Longevity Tracking
Greetings,

In regards to this:

Ryoung, your edit summaries here and here were inappropriate, see Help:Edit Summary for proper use of the edit summary function. Additionally, it is considered improper to remove tags from articles without addressing the issue raised in some way as you did here, and you may want to be weary of WP:OWN on that article. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:06, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you'd like to help write the article? Carcharoth wanted me to write the article as I am an expert in the field, but I agree there needs to be more input than just one person. Also, plenty of sources are available, some written over a century ago (and listed at the bottom of the article). One of the purposes of this article is to deflect the notion that "supercentenarians" is a "new" field of study, when in fact it has been studied for centuries, and the modern system of tracking ages based on verification began in the 1870s.

Sincerely, Ryoung122 02:10, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you...
...for the warm welcome! :) Cposkitt (talk) 19:44, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your welcome :)
Can you please go over notability guidelines with me? One article I created is failing notability guidelines and I would appreciate suggestions on how to fix it.KnowS (talk) 22:14, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Beaux Arts Deja Vu
Like all those classical revival granges and schools:


 * Image:Oregon Civic Justice Center.JPG
 * Image:SalemStn.JPG

I just noticed the similarity, though I read in that book I told you about, Historic Salem: an Inventory of Historic Places (1987), that the station was built on a template and there are a few just like it still scattered around the country. I didn't find any architect info on the library, but I would assume it was built to a standard plan as well...

It was great to finally meet you! I suggested to Pete that sometime we try to have a clandestine Wikimeetup for lunch at the Rachel Ray-approved Goudy Commons.

So you know that the "Boundless" UO architecture site is totally awesome, despite their trying to spam everything in creation with links to it. Would you be interested in making a template and vetting the link through a WikiProject, maybe ours and the also the architecture project? User:Beetstra would probably be on-board with such an effort. Have you seen his essay on archivists?

P.S. Yeah, The Oregonian should at least acknowledge that they are using free images from Wikipedia! The rats.

Katr67 (talk) 18:26, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I noticed the color scheme likeness between the two, so I figured they at least had the same brick supplier. The station has a little different motif with the columns and the arched/round windows, but I could see it being the same architect. I forgot to check the UO site for library info, does that site have non-NRHP items too? The state's website didn't have the library, nor does Salem list it on the list of historic properties. As to a template, were you thinking a citation template, or just an EL template. Citation template I'd be fine with, but I'm not too sure about EL ones like there are for Political Graveyard and Congressional Bio. They just strike me as attracting SPAM with people seeing them as an invitation to add more links, people tend to add them even if the site is already used as a source, and I'm just generally opposed to helping out the libraries/archives websites after seeing all those posts about abusing Wikipedia. But that's just me. I'll check out the Beetstra link.
 * Goudy? Sure its cheap, but is that the best place? Though I do know a judge who says she likes to eat there.
 * Update on the picture. After checking it out, I actually did release it under a CC license, so attribution is required, and they didn't. The website directed me to The Oregonian, and I haven't heard back from them yet. So, we'll see what they plan on doing. If nothing else, I can put my law school learn'ns to use and send a lovely cease and desist letter! Aboutmovies (talk) 21:49, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the S-J might have used one of my photos, I have to take a closer look. But I do release all my stuff into the public domain... Katr67 (talk) 18:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Murray Carter
Dear Aboutmovies,

I'm sorry to see that you've voted for my article about "Murray Carter" to be deleted. It was my first article about a well known (at least here in the Netherlands) bladesmith and first Caucasian that received the status of a Japanese bladesmith. I suspect that since English is not my native language, I lacked in describing sufficient relevant information about the person to illustrate his importance for the knife making industry and bladesmithing in general. At least I think that is what you tried to make clear to me.

I received help from another knife enthusiast, that is an English speaking native. Could you please point out your complaints about the article, so I can adjust this. I understand that writing is all about trail and error! ;)

Sincerly, RobVandeB (talk) 09:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK!
Thank you for your contributions! - Mailer Diablo 07:30, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Interesting DWG alert
Chauncey Hosford -- your thoughts, and any additions, most welcome! -Pete (talk) 20:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Reporting article for merging?
How do I go about reporting article for merging? Secure Cryptoporcessor is just a special case/application of Hardware Security Module. Article itself has dubious references and questionable notability. Please advice. KnowS (talk) 21:54, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! KnowS (talk) 15:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Category organization
First of all, I would appreciate it if you didn't quote policy at me; I've been here long enough to know what it is. Second of all, I would take your comment more seriously if you could demonstrate exactly why Katr67's way of organizing the categories is "superior" to mine. If you really think that some sort of consensus needs to be reached about this relatively minor issue, tell me where and when you want to start a discussion. --Eastlaw (talk) 21:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I never "took ownership" of anything, therefore, your ongoing condescension is totally unwarranted. My beef was that he was using a category in a manner which didn't match preexisting convention.  If it's really that important to you to keep the category there, then go right ahead.  I don't care anymore.  Someone else will probably come and change it later anyway--and then you and your buddy Katr67 can duke it with them.  I'm done with this.  --Eastlaw (talk) 23:31, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I'm a "she". If chicks can be buddies with dudes, then perhaps I am AM's buddy, though I prefer the term "pal". It would also be helpful if rather than make people guess what this "preexisting convention" is, you add a short intro to the category explaining how to use it. I find that helpful and usually heed those criteria. Anyway, I made a new category Category:Law in Oregon, and have already moved the offending subcats there, so hopefully that should suffice. I'll explain how each category is to be used in their intros, and feel free to move anything out of Category:Oregon law that you think doesn't belong there. I'm still baffled why an an honest request to help us categorize the Oregon law-related categories would be met with such scorn and derision. Oh well, everyone has bad days. I won't post here anymore, I think I will avoid you from now on. Happy editing! Katr67 (talk) 03:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

PRIVACY
Mr. Stevens:

I appreciate your work on Wikipedia on behalf of the history of Oregon, Oregon Law, etc.

You recently created a Wikipedia entry about my mother, Helen J. Frye. As a public servant, information of a biographical/personal nature is to be expected, and is fair game.

HOWEVER:

I am a writer, working in the film industry, and value my privacy above most other things. So I was distressed to have forwarded to me the "E. Max Frye" entry that you edited. I do not wish for any of that information to be published on Wikipedia. I believe that the entry used to be "E. Max Frye, screenwriter, was born and raised in the Beaver State."

Could you please revert the "E. Max Frye" to its original content?

This is a serious matter of great concern to me.

My professional accomplishments are available on IMDb and Studiosystems - I DO NOT WISH FOR ANY OTHER INFORMATION ABOUT ME TO BE PUBLISHED ON THE INTERNET.

It would be a great favor to me if you would tend to this ASAP.

Again, thanks for all that you're doing to promote and archive Oregon history.

Sincerely,

E. Max Frye —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loomings (talk • contribs) 15:54, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Portland Adventist Academy
If you get a minute, could you look into the history of the school's fight with the OSAA, etc.? There is a great timeline on the ACLU website, but that should be backed up with some other sources. As the article currently reads, there was a lawsuit filed in 2002, but I don't think it was a lawsuit, it was the culmination of a series of other legal actions. But what do I know? Anyway, the case is pretty interesting, and it probably got some national press, so the section could do with some expansion. Too bad all those vandal kids who go there don't find it fascinating. Katr67 (talk) 18:26, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks! I knew lawyers were good for something. I just wikilinked ORS and removed something already mentioned before. If the kids think it's undue weight, they can get busy and write some content on their school instead of vandalizing. Katr67 (talk) 14:09, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Reverting Vandalism
Is there a hot key or something that I can use to easily describe what I am doing in the "Edit Summary" when I revert vandalism or do I need to physically type the information every time?--Jojhutton (talk) 21:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Bike history in Salem
My dear bicycling friend has updated his blog with a bunch of history about bicycling in Salem. I turned him onto the Myra Albert Wiggins article so he used that. Anyway, it's all original research (and inadmissible as evidence anyway since it's a blog) until his book is published, but maybe you'll find something useful in there for some Old Dead Guy articles. He says the redlight district was called "Peppermint Flat". Sounds like Salem was almost exciting back in the day... Katr67 (talk) 02:08, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Categories
At first glace that Salem metropolitan area cat looked like a really really bad idea, but now I think it's just useless overcategorization. Viva la sprawl! BTW, for Lost Valley Educational Center, I'm not sure that should go in an education cat despite its name. It's kinda like Breitenbush or Opal Creek, more of a retreat center than an educational facility. YMMV. Maybe Category:Hippie stuff in Lane County, Oregon... Katr67 (talk) 20:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. How do you keep finding these obscure Oregon articles? Katr67 (talk) 22:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe a CfD for the Salem cat? Seems like overcategorization to me as well. -Pete (talk) 00:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Mark Hatfield's religion
See here. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 03:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi thanks for your nice message
Hi. I wanted to make some of the articles I am working on into good articles or featured articles. Do you know how I can do this? Paulatim (talk) 07:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message. I looked at the manual of style, which certainly sets it out in some detail.  I think the article Medieval philosophy should go for GA when I have finished the content-related parts (I have added a whole section on Medieval philosophy itself, which the previous article did not contain).  Would appreciate if you could have a look and suggest whether it could also go for FA.  There is very little in Wikipedia on philosophy, and medieval philosophy being a large and important subject certainly deserves a place in the sunlight.  Best Paulatim (talk) 08:36, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome
Much appreciated, made me feel "noticed" lol. Thanks again Squall4226 (talk) 14:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK issue
You might want to check out your nomination for the fish hatchery. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Just got back from business trip so don't know what happened to fish hatchery DYK nomination. Obviously, it's too late; nevertheless, can you tell me what needed attention? I kind of rushed that article to finish before I went out of town so it probably needed better proof-reading than it got.--Orygun (talk) 23:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The hook said trout and salmon, but the sources didn't say anything about salmon. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Second footnote source "Leaburg to Vida MP 32.7" said both trout and salmon were raised at hatchery. However, my footnote link took readers to source's home page (vice exact page with info)...something I should have fixed before releasing article.--Orygun (talk) 00:19, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hiya, this is Theaura. I really appreciate your welcome note. Thanks so much for it!

Theaura (talk) 23:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Pioneer Courthouse Square sockpuppets
Hi, just commenting on your edit summary question: what this guy does is create accounts, wait four days, make a bunch of pointless minor edits (adding adverbs and commas) and then the account is autoconfirmed. There is no way of stopping that kind of determined abuse without fully protecting the page... --Bonadea (talk) 07:58, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering if it is worth a checkuser and then IP block then? Aboutmovies (talk) 08:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If ever I've seen a case where that would be appropriate...this is it. -Pete (talk) 15:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hear, hear! Katr67 (talk) 16:48, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I just looked at the checkuser case and the underlying IPs have been blocked for 6 months. However,judging by the one IP listed in the case, s/he's using a dynamic Qwest IP, so I don't know if there's much we can do except keep everything protected. Can we get a site ban, for what good that will do? What do you think of the big ol' template on the page? I wish there was some way to inform legit users who wish to make changes about what's going on, without (this is my opinion) giving the troll some sort of prize for being such an a-hole. Katr67 (talk) 19:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I tend to think that quiet diligence will win the day here. Seems like there's at least 4 or 5 of us regulars keeping an eye on this lately, and...well, it sort of seems like this person is in it for the attention. If we just quickly revert the silly edits with little commentary, I think in the long run that will take less of our time, and do less to push his/her buttons, than escalating the situation. Just my 2¢ -- if one of you want to pursue something more administrative, I'm not necessarily opposed. -Pete (talk) 22:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, doing as little as possible (reverting) seems the way to go. This person has gone to some effort and is rather wikiknowledgable.  It would be nice to turn them away from the dark side of the force.  —EncMstr (talk) 23:14, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the Ashland High School Page and Sock Puppeting
Recently, there were some additions to the Ashland High School (Oregon) page. I dont believe this should've been removed.

Ive read why they were removed and it doesnt make sense. Many names were removed because they were not "notable" but it is not there notablity that earns them a place on the page, its simply that they are part of the history of the school. For example, why should student body presidents be removed. I was told my addition about matt and willy's campaign was original research but it is not. Its been discussed and published by the school newspaper. I tried to cite it but maybe I did it wrong. I cited the online news site because i wasnt sure how to cite a physical newspaper. If you can point me into the right direction to get that corrected, it'd be appreciated.

Thanks

JakeGavin (talk) 04:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess I simply disagree with WP:NOT which I guess is my own personal problem. Honestly, its simply a waste of time typing these ridiculous messages to the e-police of wikipedia. I'm done arguing it cause aparantly, my personal beliefs of what is important info for the article conflicts what wikipedia believes. As for sock puppetry, WunderWu is my friend. I dont know how these issues get resolved but there is plenty of evidence (IPs) showing that we are separate people and none, other than your hunch or "intuitive reckoning", that we are the same. But if thats all it takes to get someone banned, I guess once again, this is clearly not the place for me. Its a shame that my friend and I will be prevented from editing in the future if we ever felt inclined to do so, simply because we had similar interests. I do not intend to attempt to edit again, honestly, I feel its dull and there are better ways of having my information, research, and views published, but I would like to get the sockpuppetry worked out incase I ever did feel inclined to "help the community."

JakeGavin (talk) 07:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Aight, well sorry for "wasting" so much of your time. Have...uh fun?...writing your encyclopedia... Thanks for the work you put into it.

JakeGavin (talk) 02:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

/* Art Education */
Hello Aboutmovies,

Thank you for your helpful input regarding The Ashland Academy of Art page. I edited the content and removed all opinionated statements in order to make this page neutral. I'm pulling some more references in order to reach wikipedias notability standards. I'm working on some more articles that I hope to have up in the near future. Thanks again for the input. Let me know if theres anything else I can do.

Thanks! Phronesis66 (talk) 07:13, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Meier & Frank department store list
Hello, I noticed you recently restores the list of Meier & Frank stores to the page. As you have noticed, some Wikipedia users have felt that these lists are not allowed. Please join the discussion at the link below and share your thoughts. Articles for deletion/List of Bloomingdale's locations It is my opinion that these lists, as long as they are not extremely long (more than 100 stores or so) and can be sourced, are a great addition to the article. Hopefully, we can build a consensus that agrees with us. PanzaM22 (talk) 19:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC)  Mike

College radio stations
If you'd like to revisit whether the college radio stations category should be subdivided by state or not, you're welcome to initiate a discussion between WikiProject Oregon and WikiProject Radio Stations anytime you'd like. But simply recreating a category that CFD has already deleted isn't okay. And I don't really understand your rationale that "wikiprojects don't control categories", either — how on earth do you figure that WikiProject Radio Stations having a consensus against format-by-state subcategories is "a wikiproject controlling categories", but WikiProject Oregon wanting a format-by-state subcategory to exist isn't "a wikiproject controlling categories"?

A polite and WP:CIVIL discussion is always welcome, if you can present a cogent case for why the category should exist, but CFD results are always final until there's actually a discussion to establish a new consensus. There are valid processes to revisit a CFD result if you disagree with it, but simply ignoring it isn't one of them. Bearcat (talk) 16:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Bearcat, whoa. Even if he did mean that comment like you suggest, is this really the way to deal with it? Every little inaccurate comment doesn't need to be beaten into the ground. If a new discussion about the content issue is the way to go, let's just do that, huh? -Pete (talk) 17:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I've initiated an RFC discussion at Category talk:College radio stations in Oregon so that there's a centralized place for discussion. Please feel free to participate in the discussion. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 17:52, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just to be perfectly clear about your first comment, the cat in question was never listed on a CFD (thus there was not "actually a discussion" to begin with), nor was tagged to give notice, thus deleting it under that CFD rationale was improper. Deleting it with the stated rationale, as my comments indicated when it was re-created was not proper. My comments about WikiProjects was meant to be ironic, sarcastic, and pointed, in that WikiProjects cannot control things in the way you stated in your deletion, for exactly the problem where if one WikiProject decides something is OK and another says no, then whose rules govern? So what I said was meant as: well, I know a WP that says these are normal so I'll cite them, but and more importantly it doesn't matter because WPs don't control. So I really don't need to adjust my irony level, it was quite intentional, but thanks for the personal attack in an edit summary! Aboutmovies (talk) 00:46, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks and question
First of all, thank you for the welcome. I am new to Wikipedia.

Second, for the question, I was not sure about the notability tag that you placed on the Terry Isaac biographical page, but I added some other details about this gentleman that I believe are appropriate to the Wikipedian standard. If this is off track, please help.

Outdoorguide228 (talk) 08:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Multiple Log-ins & Embarrasing Block
Thank you very much for your kind welcome!

Two questions (I promise not to be so lengthy again):

1. I have by necessity (?) created two user names EmilEik for English Wikipedia and EmilEikS for Swedish Wikipedia. This gets pretty confusing, keeping track of which one I am logged in on, whether or not I am logged in at all, where to find my talk, or the right one, etc. For example I am now writing to you logged in on the user name for the Swedish site but on English Wiki. That's the only way I could find your nice welcome again. If I try to log in on the Swedish site with EmilEik (without the S) my attempt is rejected. Can anything be done to simplify these procedures?

2. I have contributed five new articles, which is about all I want to do now, and then maintain and update them from time to time. (It has all been very time-consuming day and night and I have other obligations.)

S. On Swedish Wikipedia:

S1. Roger Jönsson

S2. Steve Vigil

E. On English Wikipedia:

E1. Birgit Ridderstedt

E2. Jacob Truedson Demitz

E3. Wild Side Story (still being built up)

Article S2 has been especially well received by a Swedish admin. who kept it from being rejected.

It seems that since yesterday a robot has been put in blocking the articles E2 and E3 and everything in them entirely from being crawled by Google.

This is especially embarrassing since Mr. Demitz has supplied us with our main reference sources and been very generous with his time and valuable information (all of which I have independently verified in his files and with others).

What if anything can be done about that one? EmilEikS (talk) 13:18, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for quickly fixing my log-ins! As for the blockage, what worried me was that everything showed up beautifully in Google at first, but then disappeared. Today, the same thing happened with article E1. That's three out of five. I will write where you said if it doesn't clear up by say Wednesday... Thanx again! EmilEikS (talk) 00:19, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
...for sorting out Ann Aiken. I could see the additions were not straight vandalism but still dubious: I didn't have time to read them all at once, and I could see that there were some references to newspapers but that the whole thing was probably POV. So I pointed the author to all the policies and put th article in my "worry about this tomorrow" pile, from which I am happy to see you have removed it. Thanks again. JohnCD (talk) 20:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia. DeepestGreen [<font color="#009933">talk  ] 10:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Pioneer Hall
If you look at Pioneer Hall (Oregon), I added a gallery with multiple images. I would like your input on which would be best for the infobox image. I am comfortable with the one now, but what do you think? --DerRichter (talk) 20:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

T~T
Sorry! I forgot to thank you for your welcome message on my talk page... Of course that was a LONG time ago (it was in June)... But thanks again! Moocowsrule (talk) 22:18, 31 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule

Ports infobox
Thanks fro creating a Ports infobox, which I've added to a couple more articles as a kind of test run. I might make some mild tweaks to the entires to make the import/export and warehouse space lines permnanet as these are standard to most WP:Ports articles. Otherwise its great, and fills a gaping hole in the project. So thanks again.

And yes, the Port of Yingkou founding date was a typo :) Euryalus (talk) 08:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Brian Druker
From the fact that you've added links to Brian Druker on imatinib and Philadelphia chromosome, can I infer that you will be creating an article about this scientist? I'm sure he's notable, and will soon be inundated with prizes. JFW | T@lk  12:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Pacific University entry
Hi, I'm fairly new to Wikipedia editing. I went back to the entry and re-added the information that I have online sources for. If you have any questions about these edits, just let me know. Thanks!--Lkissler (talk) 19:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Jesse Quinn Thornton
I don't understand your problem with recent edits to the J Q Thornton entry. The existing content was rearranged to make better sense, some misstatements and gibberish were removed, and a few new statements, supported by new and existing references, were added. I suppose I might had deleted a reference inadvertently, but how closely did *you* look at the revisions? I have taken out the word "significantly" since it seems to bother you so much, and removed some biographical information about Mrs. Thornton, which, although perfectly true, is not contained in the reference immediately following it.)144.35.8.13 (talk) 00:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

The very nice coloured 100 medal

 * Why thank you, only 97 to go or so for the 200 model. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:39, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for adding the various links to Charles H. Turner (attorney), U.S. Attorney for Oregon. I shall have to write up an article on him at some point. Cirt (talk) 07:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, figured I'd see how many articles linked to him and make sure the link was consistent. Should be a good article when done, it looks like he's still bitter about the plot and that they got off with some light sentences. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I would think most humans would be bitter if someone or some group of individuals plotted an assassination attempt to murder them, actually carrying out portions of the plot... I will do some research and see what I can dig up as far as fleshing out more biographical info and his history within Oregon law and politics. Cirt (talk) 03:29, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

As Charles H. Turner is already taken, can you think of any other better names for the article title than Charles H. Turner (attorney) ? Cirt (talk) 03:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If you can find his middle name I would go with that, though I've done some searching and didn't find it. Otherwise, the only other option I can think of is (Oregon attorney) which conforms more to standard practice, but I don't know if it is really any better than what it is now. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks, I will do some research and let you know. Cirt (talk) 07:23, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for fixing my terrible info. box edits on the Exterro page. I have been looking and looking for instructions on how to make that, with little luck! LegalTech (talk) 21:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Three Weeks and This
It took only three weeks from your nice welcome on my user talk to end up like we are now, with me just about to pull out and forbidden by my Board, which approved my project last month, to continute to communicate with people we consider impossible. Anything you can do to help me communicate with people so that they don't reply with nastimness every time, no matter what I try? Any administrator you can recommend who is good with people? Perhaps you or he/she would like to be so kind just to look at the Commons link on my user page and then write a few kind words at the bottom of my user talk on English Wiki to close things out a little upbeat? That would be less embarassing. Truly yours, EmilEikS (talk) 06:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

William Barlow (Oregon)
Hi Aboutmovies, I've added a reference to William Barlow (Oregon) and expanded the article as well. Do you think this is enough to establish notability? <b style="font-size:0.9em;font-weight:bold;border:1px dashed #CCC;"> <b style="color:#080;">Linguist</b> At <b style="color:#600;">Large</b> </b> 16:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It should be enough as that source is much like an encyclopedia and he had his own entry. You may look through Google Books for info on him as well just to make sure no one else challenges the notability. Good job with the article. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! <b style="font-size:0.9em;font-weight:bold;border:1px dashed #CCC;"> <b style="color:#080;">Linguist</b> At <b style="color:#600;">Large</b> </b> 00:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: DYK notes
Thank you for your message. I am not offended, and I appreciate your input. I just wanted to also give you my thoughts on the matter. Again, thanks for your comments. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 20:35, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As for the purpose of DYK, I grant you that I have not been here very long, but as far as I know, the guidelines at WP:DYK are descriptive, not prescriptive. I don't think we have to it.  In fact, I would venture to guess that if you went to WT:DYK and asked what the purpose of DYK is, there would be a lot of disagreement even among longtime admins and contributors.  I do agree that rewarding editors is a major purpose, and possibly the most important purpose, but I also care a lot about the quality of what goes to the front page; as you have suggested, I do try very hard to make sure hooks suggestions make it to the template, but in addition, I try very hard to make sure the hook suggestion to finally make it to the template is the best possible hook that could have been made from that article.  I try to apply the same standards to others' work (when I review hooks) as I do to my own (when I expand and nominate an article).
 * As for what's interesting, I agree that it's very subjective. I try to judge hooks based not on what I find interesting, but on what I believe would appeal to a broad general readership&mdash;of course that is hard to gauge, but I look at things such as whether the information in the hook is something unexpected or ironic, or unique or record-setting (keeping in mind the fact that, as you pointed out, "unique" doesn't always mean "interesting").  I think it's good to reward editors for their work, but at the same time I want to do my small part to help make sure DYK doesn't appear to the outside world to be a collection of boring and stupid facts.  For example, lately there have been a lot of DYK hooks about things like roads, and in cases like that I try to at least force the nominator to come up with something interesting about it; I don't think it should be the case that every dull article that gets written should be rewarded (imagine the backlog we would have), and therefore I try to push people to make sure the articles they create aren't dull.

Thank you
For the welcome to Wikipedia! Your note was the first feedback I've received on my first page. Thank you for any input / comments / edits you might have. prazan 15:57, 20 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prazan (talk • contribs)

Footnotes & punctuation
Thank you for your considerate note on this subject! Had had that same from another editor also. I am now trying to mend my ways, and will have to concentrate not to use Wikipolicy when I am writing elsewhere, where it would be considered wrong. I am fixing to finish one the most important articles (to me) in my contributions this month (the whole project is just about done). Do you know how to request a reassessment of its C-rating (see Jacob Truedson Demitz & discussion there at bottom)? EmilEikS (talk) 16:24, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
…for the award, much appreciated! Yes, I should archive. I'll see about that this morning. Great work yourself lately, too! -Pete (talk) 16:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, FYI on your list of Senator articles to improve -- there's lots of info about Henry Corbett in the sources I used for Henry Failing and maybe Josiah Failing as well. They were longtime friends and business partners. I'd be happy to work on that one with you, he was a pretty influential guy from what I understand. -Pete (talk) 16:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Assessment
Both of these articles are very good as far as stubs go, and they are both very close to start-class. I just thought they were a little short and could use a paragraph or two more to make them start-class. They are both very close though, and I admit the distinction between classes is a bit subjective here. --TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 03:48, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I admit that I may have mis-assessed those two pages; as I said, the distinction between certain classes can be a bit subjective. Though these two are longer than a usual stub, there are definitely stubs that are longer than a few sentences; the example start-class article has eight (admittedly short) paragraphs, and a lot of articles that are three-five paragraphs are a bit of a gray area, especially when the different sections come in. The two pages in question probably qualify for start because they are decently long and have plenty of references (at least for Hall/Nimbus). Sorry about the mis-assessment anyway. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 22:48, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Karen S. Davis search and categories
Thank you for your kind welcome. I do have two questions. (1) When the title of an article contains a person's middle initial, how can someone searching for this person also find the article if they do NOT type the middle initial? I see other articles that allow this (for example, they reach a disambiguation page) but I cannot discover how to accomplish it. (2) I believe I formatted the categories correctly at the bottom of the page, yet the name of the article (in this case, the person) doesn't appear in the categories. Thanks so much.Scrivattrice (talk) 02:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!!
I appreciate the welcome. Billybob1969 (talk) 09:30, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi, Aboutmovies. Thanks for your help in finding articles I can help clean up in Project Oregon. Sylvia A (talk) 02:10, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Willamette Bearcats
Saw your article on Willamette Bearcats. It reminded me that Dr Chuck Bowles contributed a lot to Willamette sports--so I wrote/uploaded bio. By the way, your Willamette articles are all very good.--Orygun (talk) 03:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you
Aboutmovies, thanks for telling me about not putting the user sig in the edit summaries. I really appreciate this kind of help. Sylvia A (talk) 06:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

ATHLETE
Hey there Aboutmovies, To answer your question in Undead's RfA, I don't know exactly when the consensus changed. I do know that when I was doing AfD's on a semi-regular basis, which would be the fall of 2007, AfD were deleting articles as not meeting ATHLETE. Heck, I even recall WP:BASEBALL being cited a number of times to delete minor league baseball players, because minor league baseball wasn't considered "fully professional." I think at the time, ATHLETE/BASEBALL was being given prominence over BIO in an effort to eliminate non-notable college/minor league athletes. If you look at the baseball/college football projects, neither of them made any claim about their players being notable until they made it to the top level of the pros. ATHLETE was being interpretted to convey notability to people who played at the terminal level of their sport. E.G. college football wasn't the terminal level, one could move on to the pros. Minor league baseball players, despite significant coverage, weren't considered notable until they played in at the MLB level. I remember one debate where a college player had been drafted, signed with a team, was expected to make the team, but was deleted because he hadn't played at a professional level.--- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 16:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Balloonman, that interpretation -- though apparently widespread for some time -- is incorrect. Please see the extensive discussion in the (I believe third) AfD for Alex Nimo. I don't know of any case where it's acceptable to delete an article that is well sourced to reliable sources. (With obvious exceptions for attack pages, etc.)
 * WikiProjects have been empowered to create guidelines that exceed the notability criterion; that is, guidelines that are more inclusive. Not less. -Pete (talk) 16:36, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Balloonman, I know where you are coming from, as Pete mentions the above AFD. But the guideline (built from consensus) is BIO, and ATHLETE is really just a shortcut to a section of the BIO guideline, and never (at least in my time here) has been a standalone guideline. Unfortunately, many people have treated it like a separate guideline and have managed to get articles deleted through AFD. But like AFD says, the closing admin's responsibility is to weigh the arguments based on policies/guidelines:
 * Please also note that closing admins are expected and required to exercise their judgment in order to make sure that the decision complies with the spirit of all Wikipedia policy and with the project goal. A good admin will transparently explain how the decision was reached.
 * Basically the consensus was wrong in those situations where people argued ATHLETE overrode N, but that doesn't override the wider community consensus that developed the guidelines. That's where an Admin makes his/her money, knowing these nuances and the interplay between the guidelines. And since I personally feel Undead doesn't have a good grasp on this (see the part about WikiProjects) that's why I have opposed, and I'm guessing that is why the editor who mentioned you also opposes Undead, simply using an example of why admins need to know this. And frnakly, the only reason I commented on your comment was because you made it seem like something had changed recently, and it hadn't, almost downplaying your AFD snafu. Deletion is the worst thing that can happen to an article, and it must be used only in the proper ways, and since only admins get to delete, it is imperative they know the rules/guidelines backwards and forwards. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Question abt Weasel Words category
Hi, Aboutmovies. I have been going through the list of articles w weasel words on this page, doing my best to get rid of the weasel words in cases where I know enough to do so, but on some of these articles I haven't found any marked weasel words to deal with. For the first couple I found like that I simply removed them from that list, but I'm wondering if that's really the right thing to do. ? Sylvia A (talk) 02:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your welcome message + I need your help
My background is 30 years of business in strategic planning and industry analysis, mostly using ideas from Michael Porter. We just spent seven years building the world's first global industry classification system at the line-of-business level - the level where Michael E. Porter defines the term industry. We cover 10,000 industries. We think it's never been done before. And the article we wrote [Ecompetitors] was written without a sales pitch at all - totally neutral - just the facts!

I went to ask the person who put a notice for deletion on the page, but his Talking page says: "taking a short wikibreak"

Can you help me, or point me in the right direction to ask for help?

Thank you, Alan (Porterfan1) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Porterfan1 (talk • contribs) 21:45, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (File:Sahaleelogo.gif)
You've uploaded File:Sahaleelogo.gif, and indicated that it's used under Wikipedia's rules for non-free images. However, it's not presently used in any articles. Wikipedia policy requires that non-free images be either used or deleted, so if this image isn't used in an article in the next week, it will be deleted.

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Media copyright questions. 19:14, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Darleen Ortega
--Dravecky (talk) 08:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
...for the Exceptional Newcomer Award. How nice. Sylvia A (talk) 19:59, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the WPOR Award
Thanks for the WPOR Award. Lestatdelc (talk) 01:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

# 30
I hope you don't mind, but I changed the word "berths" to "appearances". "Berths" makes it sound like the USS Terry Porter tied up on the Willamette for Rose Festival. I am sure there is something on Wikipedia about writing for an encyclopedia somewhere on here. - 4.240.120.230 (talk) 01:40, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Edward D. Hamilton
--Dravecky (talk) 11:51, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you so much for the "Welcome" note (re: WikiProject Oregon)! Much appreciated. But sheesh!, who knew this 'My Life Would Suck Without You' article creation would have been so controversial! :p I give up--perhaps someone else will take a stab at deletion review. Just seems absurd they couldn't give even an hour to improve the article. -Whataworld06 (talk) 21:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * In case you didn't see, the deletion review can be found here. Your support would be much appreciated. Whataworld06 (talk) 22:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

What do you think WP:NSONGS accomplishes?
This particular case aside, what does WP:NSONGS do in your mind? What kind of articles does it allow or forbid that WP:N and WP:V don't accomplish?&mdash;Kww(talk) 22:29, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

River Cess capital city
On October 20, 2008, you made some changes to the River Cess County article. One of the changes was the name of the capital, which you changed from "River Cess" to "Cesstos City". You left the link pointing to the River Cess article, suggesting that this was a case of changing the name of the city, and not moving the capital to a new city.

I too have seen evidence that the capital used to be River Cess (or Rivercess) and is now Cesstos City (or Cestos City), and I'm trying to determine just what happened (and, if possible, when). I found a set of maps called STATUS OF ROADS IN LIBERIA that clearly indicates that River Cess and Cestos Town are two different places, roughly 30 km. apart. When I enter the search term "Cestos OR Cesstos Liberia" in Google, almost all of the returns use the spelling "Cestos".

The reason I'm writing here is to ask you what your source was when you made that edit. Did you believe that River Cess and Cesstos City were one and the same? If so, on what grounds? Did you happen to find a date for the change of capital? Thanks in advance for any information. Gwil (talk) 00:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your helpful reply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gwil (talk • contribs) 19:10, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you & Request for opinion
Thanks for saying hello. If I may trouble you for a bit of help, I wrote up the Irene Moon article recently, and the feedback on the Talk: Irene Moon page from an anonymous user is pretty harsh. I'd really like to get another opinion as to the content of the article, and to see what can/should be done to satisfy the anon. user's comments, too.Thanks! -Leo Nichols (talk) 01:08, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for taking the time to get back to me on the Irene Moon article. I see what you mean about 'notability,' and I will do my best to correct the problem. I also really appreciate your suggestions on how to improve the article both structurally & content-wise. Thanks!-Leo Nichols (talk) 20:17, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

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Biglow Canyon Wind Farm
Hi! I started this article some time ago and noticed that you made some contributions in 2008. I'd like to invite your further input please, as I have submitted it at WP:GAN. Thanks. Johnfos (talk) 05:00, 29 January 2009 (UTC)