User talk:Abraham, B.S./Archive 13

VADM Richard Peek
Thanks (genuinely!) for your work on Vice Admiral Sir Richard Peek. You found details that I did not; I expect that there's been an obit, now. :) - Peter Ellis - Talk 08:37, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Welcome. :) Abraham, B.S. (talk) 06:36, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

;-)
Abraham, B.S. (Talk | contribs) (Reverted edits by 203.143.242.14 (talk) to last version by Pdfpdf) That's not something I ever expected to see! Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:41, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

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Alan McNicoll
Hi - I am aware that you have been working on an article about Alan McNicoll (User:Abraham, B.S./Sandbox/Draft3) and wondered if your excellent work could be moved to mainspace so the series of articles about Chief of Navy can be finished off? Dormskirk (talk) 21:29, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, Dormskirk. Due to your series of creations, I was actually just thinking that I would get back to working on that article! Do you mind if I have a couple of days to see if I can finish it off and create it in the mainspace? Thanks, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 00:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That would be ideal - it would be much better for you to finish it off properly before it is transferred. Best of luck! Dormskirk (talk) 22:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :) And well done with all of the other articles! Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 23:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I wondered if you were ready to move this article into main space yet? Dormskirk (talk) 19:46, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Not quite yet. I haven't edited the article in quite a while due to some RL issues and then university. However, the university semester is nearly over and I should be able and willing to get stuck back into it soon. :) Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 09:42, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will look forward to it. Best wishes Dormskirk (talk) 14:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Gordon Steege
Hi mate, tks for the edits -- could you do me a favour and assess? Another editor did it for MilHist but it's compromised a bit because while all criteria are satisfied the actual Class parameter is still Start (and he hasn't responded to my request for clarification as yet). Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:33, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Ian. No problem: all done now. Naturally, an easy B. :) Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 05:55, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, mate -- been getting back into the monthly contest for the first time in yonks... ;-) Hope your studies are going well! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:08, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Very welcome. :) Yeah, I was thinking of that, too, and have been working on a bio of Vice Admiral Sir Alan McNicoll, but real life issues have momentarily thrown a spanner in that for the moment, but will see how I go. Yeah, studies are going well and I'm enjoying uni. Hope you had an excellent time overseas! Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 06:14, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LVII, November 2010
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Milhist A-Class and Peer Reviews Oct–Dec 2010

 * Thanks, Rupert! Though, I didn't do much at all ... Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 07:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
''Thanks, Rupert! Though, I didn't do much at all ...  Perhaps, but as you get older, you will appreciate that T'ain't What You Do (It's the Way That You Do It)''. Not particularly relevant example: None of the members of Bananarama could sing in tune, but until the Spice Girls came along, they were the largest selling British female group. As the linked article says: he decided he wanted them to sing background vocals on this song, solely based on the fact that he liked their look.

So how was your first year at Uni? (I hope you enjoyed it.) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Happy New Year to you, too. Perhaps, but I did only do one review ... Uni was good, I went well and did enjoy it; hoping this year brings much the same in that regards. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 04:37, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

OzVC2
FYI: Your opinion is solicited at Talk:List of Australian Victoria Cross recipients. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 04:46, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 05:20, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Cosson
Wow! She can't put a foot wrong, can she! (Even when she does, cf Kovco, it looks like water off a duck's back!) I can't see them making a female Chief of Army, or CJOPS. Nor VCDF, for that matter. CCDG however - that's not impossible. I predict they'll make her CCDG some time in the next 5 years. What do you think? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:01, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * BTW: That would make her the first female 3* ... Pdfpdf (talk) 11:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm. I know that, if she were to be promoted to lieutenant general, she would be the first three star female in the ADF. However, I am not quite so confident she will reach such a rank. While I do agree with you that if she were to be promoted it would be to CCDG, I do think that the Kovco drama will come back to haunt her. Although the incident does not appear to have damaged her career thus far, I just think the hierachy and government may not be so trusting with an expanded scope of power and access to intelligence as a result of Kovco. Also, Air Marshal John Harvey was just promoted and appointed CCDG late last year and I don't see him moving anywhere any time in the next few years (although the senior chiefs will change over/move around in July this year, I don't see Harvey switching positions). Although I won't rule out the prospect of Cosson achieving such hights, I do think it is probably unlikely. Air Vice Marshal Margaret Staib may be perhaps one to watch, though. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 11:34, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Interesting! Thanks.
 * Yes, I agree that AVM Staib is worth keeping an eye on!
 * And AM Harvey will almost certainly be CCDG for the next 3.5 years.
 * Re Kovco, I just don't know. I was astounded when they made her a 2* so soon after that mess. I really have no idea if, and what, impact that will (or won't!) have on her future. Obviously, time will tell, but in the interim ... I have no idea.
 * On reflection, I have a feeling you might be right. I'll raise the topic again in May/June 2014!
 * Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:20, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * The plot thickens! Did you see this? It looks like my prediction had already been aborted before I made it. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:43, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

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DCN
Thanks! Could we have some sources please? Pdfpdf (talk) 12:57, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Near duplication of bio on Geoffrey Forrest Hughes
Hello,

I gathered some notes on Hughes before discovering your draft in your sandbox. Given that you have much the better article going, I intend to retire from the lists. I thought I would pass along the notes. You may do with them as you will; however, I think they may be of use to you, hence their inclusion:

Captain Geoffrey Forrest Hughes was an Australian World War I flying ace credited with 11 aerial victories.

Born to Sir Thomas and Lady Hughes in Sydney, Australia on 12 July 1895.

MC: ''For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. While leading his formation over the enemy's lines he was attacked by twelve enemy machines, two of which he shot down. On the following day, when in charge of a patrol, he attacked seven enemy triplanes, drove down one out of control, and forced three others to land. On another occasion, while in charge of a patrol, he was attacked by a large number of enemy scouts; owing to his skilful flying, his observer succeeded in shooting down one of the enemy machines, which broke up in the air. He always showed the greatest coolness and courage in action, and as a flight commander, led his formation with splendid courage and determination.''

In May 1921, the engagement of Hughes and Margaret Eyre Sealey was announced.

8 January 1923 Hughes married Margaret Eyre Sealey at Saint Eunice Church, Sydney. He is noted as "sole surviving son" of his parents.

I would like to end by wishing you good fortune in your studies.

Georgejdorner (talk) 04:08, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

DCA
Good work! Well done! Pdfpdf (talk) 13:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

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3RR
I don't think I need to template the regulars here, but note that this is the needed warning that you are involved in an EDITWAR at Ash Power. Next time either of you reverts you will be blocked. Please, please, sort this out amicably on the talk page. Failing that, step away from the article and each other. Woody (talk) 14:30, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry, Woody, I didn't realise I was so close. Would you, or anyone else, please be able to comment on the matter from a third party view point? I think I am being rather reasonable and keeping in policy by requesting references, though want a third party to weigh in on it as I know my opinion isn't worth dirt to pdf no matter what it is and whenever I try to sort things out reasonably I always seem to get insulted and personally attacked ... Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 14:38, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I've put my opinion on Talk:Ash Power. Frankly, it should never have come to this. I'm sure you have PdfPdf on your watchlist so know that he is blocked for 24 hours so won't be replying soon. Perhaps it best if you both step away for 24 hours? Woody (talk) 15:04, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I've unblocked him on the proviso he doesn't edit the article. He has stated he is off Wikipedia until Monday anyway. Can I assume that you won't edit the article until you have both been able to offer your opinions on the talkpage and resolve it there? Regards, Woody (talk) 15:13, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. And, no, I was not aware that he was blocked. Despite what pdf and others might think, I tend to avoid him as much as possible and do not have him on my watchlist. The matter with this article arose as I have it on my watchlist. I do not edit Wikipedia very much anymore, and this is a good example of why. I have already voiced my opinion with the recommendation of references, which I believe is supported by policy, and your opinion seems to view matters along similar lines, so I do not believe there is much more I can do or say. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 15:25, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Understood and fair enough on all counts. Woody (talk) 15:40, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXIII, May 2011
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CAF candidates
You may be amused to learn that I have found something we agree on. Pdfpdf (talk) 11:48, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Oz Triple Crown
Hi mate, thanks for this nom -- didn't even know we had a localised Triple Crown award...! It's pleasantly ironic seeing those names together because in the past I've sometimes thought of us as the Four Musketeers, doing daring deeds at ACR and FAC in the name of Oz military history... ;-) Of course more recently we've had still more names come to the fore like Rupert, AnotherClown and Saberwyn, but you, Hawkeye, Nick and I seemed to really get the ball rolling those few short years ago. Hope studies are going well...! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:41, 3 July 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem. :) I noticed it a few years ago, and this is about the third time I've nominated us for it; they slipped into the mist, it seemed, on Durova's extremely busy talk page back when she was still running the awards. :) I recall that we tried to get one off the ground for Milhist, too, but it didn't end up going through ... Yes, it did feel a little that way. :P I did think of Rupert and AnotherClown when I nominated us for the triple crown, but unfortunately they both just fall short of the Australian category (though, Rupert does meet the criteria for the standard Triple Crown, I believe). Studies are going quite well, but uni is on holidays at the moment and, although work isn't giving me much of a break, I am trying to get motivated to finish the article on Vice Admiral Sir Alan McNicoll I have sitting in my sandbox. I have still been admiring your endless contributions, though! ;-) Hope all is well on your end! Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 08:00, 3 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks also from me. Nick-D (talk) 08:13, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Australia triple crown



 * Thanks! Abraham, B.S. (talk) 07:25, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

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Main page appearance: Tom Derrick
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Tom Derrick (1914–1945) was an Australian recipient of the Victoria Cross. In November 1943, during the Second World War, Derrick was awarded the Victoria Cross for his assault on a heavily defended Japanese position at Sattelberg, New Guinea. During the engagement, he scaled a cliff face while under heavy fire and silenced seven machine gun posts, before leading his platoon in a charge that destroyed a further three. Born in the Adelaide suburb of Medindie, South Australia, Derrick enlisted in the Second Australian Imperial Force in July 1941, joining the 2/48th Battalion. He was posted to the Middle East, where he took part in the Siege of Tobruk, was recommended for the Military Medal and promoted to corporal. Later, at El Alamein, Derrick was awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal for knocking out three German machine gun posts, destroying two tanks, and capturing one hundred prisoners. Derrick returned to Australia with his battalion in February 1943, before transferring to the South West Pacific Theatre where he fought in the battle to capture Lae. He returned to Australia the following February, was posted to an officer cadet training unit, and commissioned lieutenant in November 1944. (more...) UcuchaBot (talk) 23:03, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Congrats Bryce, this one is long overdue... BTW, I notice the blurb above doesn't mention his death, which it probably should. If you don't have time to tweak it, let me know and I'll have a go. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I went and did it but there's still a day or two to tweak if you want to -- well done again. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ian. It all looks good. :) Sorry for the belated reply, but it has been a busy couple of days. And, to be honest, when I first saw this notice I had to have a quick think as I thought it had already appeared on the mainpage! Lol. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 00:47, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Tom Derrick
Alarbus (talk) 08:11, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * NB: User:Ucucha/HarvErrors identifies problems in articles; you really should install this. Alarbus (talk) 10:08, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Your Tom Derrick reverts
Dear Mr. Abraham: Twice you have reverted copyedits I have made to the lede of the above article, labeling them "unnecessary and/or unhelpful". Honestly, they are neither. Let's not let this escalate into an edit war. Derrick is not your proprietary article. Four decades of writing and editing experience suggest to me their merit (in a lede that frankly could use considerably more cleaning and tightening up). Yours. Wikiuser100 (talk) 03:57, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Wikiuser, I think you are taking this to personal. The first time I only partially reverted, as some of your changes were most helpful, clearly explained my position and definitely did not label your edits as "unnecessary and/or unhelpful". The second revert was a revision, also, of other edits that were "unnecessary and/or unhelpful". As I stated in the original revert, the main issue I took with some of your changes was that you altered the tense of the sentences. In historial articles it is always best to maintain a past tense. Also, the final sentence of the lead has now become rather lengthy and combersome. I am not the only one to have altered your edits. Honestly, by placing your edits within the article three times without discussion and ignoring what has been written in edit summaries, you have already violated the three revert rule and have engaged in an edit war. I have no desire to edit war, so will not revert again at this stage. And considering the amount of time I invested in the Derrick article, writing, souring, tweaking and advancing it through multiple review processes, I would say I have a deserved vested interested in it. No, I do not own it, but I do have a vested interest. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 04:35, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * No, you are owning it. NB: I'm not in favour of wikiuser's edits. Alarbus (talk) 04:42, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * No offence, but by your definition if I were to revert a vandalistic edit on an article, I am claiming to own it? I am not likening Wikiuser's edits to vandalism, of course, but by your statement that is the way it comes across. If I come across an edit which I do not think benefits an article, then of course I will alter or revert it. I do not see by any means this as an act of ownership. Nor have I ever come across a Wikipedia editor who does not abide by this principal. If I were to claim "ownership" over the article, I would have reverted every edit made to it during the time it was on the mainpage. I did not, and I do not claim ownership. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 05:04, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not talking about vandalism; there was some (that huge quote, for example), but that's not the topic at hand. What's occurring here is that you've set yourself up as having “a deserved vested interested”, which is not a collaborative approach. You reverted some of my edits; some as good faith, some as unhelpful; again, you've made it your call.
 * I see that you've made less then 250 edits in the last year; I've made more than that this week. All of your FAs are full of broken links to their citations; I could fix these, but I'm not going to because I'll not do so subject to your picking and choosing amongst my edits for those you deem helpful. Alarbus (talk) 05:35, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I have made my argument on this topic, and that is all I have to say. If you do not understand what I have to say, well, that happens. This article was, in fact, written largely as a collaborative effort. The single edit of your's that I did revert, which I stated was in good faith, was done so for practical reasons for the editor. It would make it much more difficult to edit/alter an article or tweak the references in the text when they are listed at the end of the article, and not directly where it is cited for the first time. I did not revert any of your other edits as I worked out exactly what you had done and thought it greatly improved the references in the article. Regarding my edit count, having to justify my every move to particular editors is a significant reason why I rarely edit Wikipedia anymore. That said, I have made over 16,000 edits to Wikipedia over five years and, again, I was not the only one to alter or revert other's edits on this article, as evidenced above. Abraham, B.S. (talk) 05:58, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm done here, too. I do understand you, I'm just not buying. That you think the portion of my editing that you reverted (it was two edits) was unhelpful/made things difficult for editors is a) merely your opinion, and b) wrong in my opinion. As I said, to which you did not bother to reply, you're using the wrong editing paradigm, one you seem to have learnt before better ways of structuring references emerged. I see you've still not bothered to install the script or even comment on the suggestion; as they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Cheers, Alarbus (talk) 06:36, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey, guys, we all have different strengths and different interests. Bryce is a content guy, Alarbus is a mechanics guy, I'm a copy guy.

Look at all the articles shepherded and leadership positions Bryce has held. He loves to create, to oversee article development with others. Alarbus, he's heavy on the BOTs and such, bringing order to things Wiki. Obviously he has computer geek skills - and I mean that completely as a compliment; where would Wikipedia be without them? Not even byte one. I have decades of experience writing and editing. This isn't a social network, so I don't care to list my credentials here, but they broad and not insignificant.

While I don't have uber programming skills to tangle with BOTs and templates I like content, I just don't have time for it. I don't have the time I spend making copyedits either, but I get sucked into articles needing help like the retired fire horse that hears the bell and reflexively wants to pull the wagon.

Any paragraph that has five sentences where the first two repeat the identical phrase "returned to" and the last two the month of "May" (without a specific need, as with a unique date tied to each mention) can use some cleaning up. While I would not consider the changes I volunteered to the last paragraph of the Derrick lede in the top 5,000 copyedits I've made the spirit was certainly there.

Clearly Bryce put a terrific amount of work into bringing Derrick up to Feature Article status, and is to be commended for it. I can understand the impulses associated with sorting out countless poorly conceived edits when an article one has put so much into becomes Wikipedia's spotlight for the day, let alone the frustration of fending off vandalism. Obviously it is trying. In the end cool heads and detachment have prevailed here. That's win-win for Wikipedia. Cheers. Wikiuser100 (talk) 22:00, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

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Lewis
Good heavens! I must be mellowing with age. I actually agree with your changes. So, how goes it? My eldest graduated last week - I have to admit I'm very proud. I'm guessing you must be in the last year of your degree(?) What did you end up majoring in? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:40, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

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Draft email to the AWM
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GOCE July 2012 Copy Edit Drive
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Invitation to wikiFeed
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