User talk:Abram Schlimper

Chiune Sugihara
Looking at the sentences you want to remove, I can understand the first part, since we really do not know Sugihara's motivations (unless somebody can find a reference where he or his wife states them). However, Sugihara did help the Jewish refugees to leave Lithuania via Soviet Union.

I also think that the reference to the fact that the Japanese foreign ministry let Sugihara stay should remain, even if we'd remove the exact reference to their assumed motivations to do so (Japanese did let many Jews live in Japan without persecution which may explain why Sugihara was not punished but I don't think there is any direct reference to their exact reasons. Do you see it as an unfounded speculation?).

However, I don't really understand your dislike of the words "survivors" and "saved" - Skysmith 10:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Let us look at the timeline:

July 21, 1940 - the newly elected Lithuanian Parliament makes a formal request to join the Soviet Union

July 31, 1940 - Sugihara starts issuing transit visas

August 3, 1940 - the Supreme Council of the USSR vote to admit Lithuania, Lithuania becomes a Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republic

Jewish refugees had been in Lithuania since September 1939. Some of them had fled there from the Soviets, like students and staff of Mir Yeshiva and many others, who came from the part of Poland, annexed by the USSR. Of those who received visas, only Polish refugees were allowed to use them, but not Lithuanian Jews, since they were considered Soviet citizens.

I've read the Hillel Levine's book on Sugihara, and found no evidence there other than author's conjectures, stemming for the desire to portray his subject as a martyr, to support that Japanese government ever considered reprimanding Sugihara for his actions.

To use 'survivors' in reference to people who were never in any immediate danger, and spent the war living peacefully in Japan and then China, I believe, would be unfair to those who came out of concentration camps alive, or escaped from ghettoes to join guerillas, or were just in hiding. If we extend the interpretation of 'Holocaust survivor' to include all potentially threatened it would render the word meaningless. Then, if my replacement of 'beneficiary' doesn't sit well with you I wouldn't object if you replace with a word of your choice.

Sugihara was helping the Jews to get out of the Soviet Union. He wasn't aware these visas would save them. He had no way to know of German designs to attack the Soviet Union, when Hitler himself only made the decision after the failure of German-Soviet negotiations in November 1940.

--Abram Schlimper 17:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, Lithuania joining Soviet Union was hardly a voluntary process, but it has no relevance to Sugihara case as such. Hitler had decided to attack Soviet Union eventually regardless of anything, but Sugihara had no way of knowing about that, either. So in that respect your comments are good.

However, Jews actually were in danger because Stalin had purged Jews out of Soviet Union ever since he had expelled Trotsky (and killed many others) and Sugihara was probably aware of that. Soviet gulags were not death camps as such but only marginally "better" than nazi concentration camps. So Suhigara was not saving them from the Nazis but the NKVD. - Skysmith 11:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

--Abram Schlimper 23:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The split between Trotsky and Stalin supporters wasn't along the ethnic line. There were a lot of Jews in Stalin's camp, including one of his closest associates, Lazar Kaganovich, Lev Mekhlis was another high-ranking Soviet official and Stalin's favourite, two members of Stalin's inner circle Molotov and Voroshilov, had Jewish wives, and lastly Stalin's own daughter was married to a Jew. Don't have exact statistics but never before encountered data that Jews were specifically targeted during purges. Perhaps, you were thinking of the Cold War triggered anti-Jewish campaign of the early 50-ies that ended only with Stalin's death. NKVD repressions in Lithuania in the short pre-war period of 1940-41 were mainly directed against the ruling classes: large property owners, high-ranking army officers, anti-Soviet political activists. The net was cast fairly wide so some Jews were caught in it. Ironically, though, an ethnic group affected the most were Russians, for the local Russian community was largely made up of former Whites, who fled to Lithuania after their defeat in the Civil War. Repressions were very mild by Soviet standards, and in overwhelming majority of cases were limited to forcible relocation to Western Siberia and Kazakhstan. The Jews, who were exiled turned out to be the lucky ones.

WP:3RR advisory (Roman Polanski))
Please examine Wikipedia policy regarding edit warring. If you revert 3 times in a 24 hour period you will be blocked from editing. Proofreader77 (talk) 15:20, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

To begin with, it were my contributions that were repeatedly reverted, without giving adequate explanation. And I only reverted once. The other time I only edited the current version retaining some of the changes, like the link to the Occupation of Poland article.

The version of Roman Polanski article you defend is scarred by several instances of gratuitous attacks on the Soviet Union and Russia that moreover are barely related to Polanski. Removing these bits gives the article a much more balanced feel. You seem to be acting in bad faith by blocking my changes.

Abram Schlimper (talk) 16:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC) Abram Schlimper

3RR on Roman Polanski
Please stop reverting on the Polanski article, you are on the verge of a 3RR violation. Take it to the talkpage, ta. Off2riorob (talk) 15:21, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Invitation to discuss your concerns on Talk:Roman Polanski
Please join the discussion on the artice's talk page. All of your concerns will be discussed. Proofreader77 (talk) 15:35, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Edit warring
Please read WP:EDITWAR. The editing page on Caroline Catz clearly shows next to their birth date not to change this before reaching a consensus on the talk page, which you did not. To quote "Different sources give different dates. Some say 1969, others say 1970. Please do not change before achieving a consensus on the talk page first." If you are/were not getting a response you can always open a WP:RFC to bring in other editors. Edit waring to push your view is not the way to go about things. Helper201 (talk) 10:53, 20 August 2022 (UTC)


 * How can we reach the consensus if you're not putting forward your argument. Are there any equally authoritative sources, that support 1970 DOB? Abram Schlimper (talk) 11:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Edit warring on Tina Kotek
Hi Abram, you've added information to Tina Kotek's page multiple times. It's bordering being an edit war. Please don't re-add or edit war on it. Instead, create a discussion section on Talk:Tina Kotek. tedder (talk) 20:15, 2 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I've added perfectly valid information but without referencing it, then I resubmitted my addition but now supported by links to authoritative sources. One of the sources was challenged by another user, but now the issue has been resolved. Abram Schlimper (talk) 23:49, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Fritzi Burr edit
Do you have a more reliable source than IMDb for the spelling of Burr's husband's last name? IMDb is not considered reliable as a source for content of Wikipedia articles. (Please see WP:IMDB.) If we are going to override the Theatre World source, we need a source that is considered reliable for use in text of Wikipedia articles. Eddie Blick (talk) 23:53, 7 August 2023 (UTC)


 * It's not just IMDb that gives this spelling of his last name, it's IMDb and every other source except for that Theatre World article, which I strongly suspect is simply a typo. Would a Social Security Death Index https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JKRV-KZ8 be authoritative enough? Abram Schlimper (talk) 05:25, 8 August 2023 (UTC)