User talk:Absit invidia II

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Blocked
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abusing multiple accounts. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. MastCell Talk 04:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

It's been obvious for some time that you're not a new user, and that your previous account(s) were involved in the climate-change dispute. Your rhetorical style is unmistakably that of User:GoRight, and you have certain "tells" that are not really all that secret, but that were described in more detail here. But let's stipulate that you're going to dispute that you're GoRight, and that a bunch of people will weigh in on both sides with not-particularly-helpful commentary. In any case, a checkuser indicates that you're editing through open proxies. That, combined with the fact that you're obviously an alternate account politicking in non-articlespace, is sufficient grounds to block this account. I believe your current proxy IP has also been blocked. MastCell Talk 04:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * No I never bother to contest blocks since there would be no point. As everyone knows this is a clear and unique indicator of my true identity.  But your statement above provides an excellent opportunity to highlight the tactics of you lot.


 * You obviously believe that you have created some sort of perception that GoRight is socking via open proxies with your reference to TND. So you try to connect this account to GoRight by claiming I have been editing using open proxies as well.  The problem is that I have never edited through an open proxy.  The CU you obviously talked to not only can but most likely has informed you that I am editing through the TOR network and not open proxies.  They are not even remotely the same thing and I am quite certain that you are aware of the distinction at this point.  Yet you conveniently claim I am using open proxies because you believe that it makes your case sound more plausible.  The clear intent is to deceive.


 * For the benefit of everyone following along I was editing via IP address 190.17.97.148 which as MastCell notes has now been blocked. He is no doubt aware of these facts and yet he lies in his attempt to "trap" GoRight by calling that address an open proxy which it most definitely is not.  I guess MastCell must have graduated from the school of the ends justify the means.  Meh, no skin off my back but I thought the readers here should know the truth.


 * Bovine flatulence is the true cause of global warming! Look it up.  :)  --Absit invidia II TC (Hominem unius libri timeo) 13:04, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You're correct in that you are editing through Tor rather than open proxies. I'll take this opportunity to correct myself, although in the grand scheme of things it does feel like you're trying too hard to leverage this minor point. Since both Tor proxies and open proxies are typically used to evade IP tracking, the distinction seems largely irrelevant. The underlying issue is, of course, that you are using an alternate account to pursue old grievances and have pre-emptively taken steps to evade checkuser. As I indicated above, that is more than sufficient grounds for a block for abusive sockpuppetry. You and I know that you're GoRight, regardless of your legalistic focus on irrelevant technicalities. In fact, your legalistic focus on irrelevant technicalities is one of the main indications that you're GoRight. But in the end, it's not worth further argument, since the grounds for blocking this account are solid regardless of the underlying identity of its owner. MastCell Talk 21:35, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

"in the grand scheme of things it does feel like you're trying too hard to leverage this minor point" Leverage it how? I know that you will not unblock this account because you are on a mission. You want to squash all dissent by any means necessary. That is the point, not whether I am GoRight, or Scibaby, or Grundle, or Ratel, or Hipocrite or any of a long list of alleged and admitted sock masters. No, your current target is GoRight so you take every opportunity to twist the facts to suit your purpose. That is the point that has been made here, and quite effectively. GoRight is nothing but a convenient tool in your arsenal of suppression at this point.

"the distinction seems largely irrelevant" From the point of view of evading checkuser you are correct, but from the point of view of how this information was manipulated on your part to achieve a specific purpose it is highly relevant.

"that is more than sufficient grounds for a block for abusive sockpuppetry" No argument here. I have not requested to be unblocked.

"You and I know that you're GoRight" No, that's not true. You think you know but you don't actually know. And in your zeal to make others believe as much you expose the fact that you want it to be true just to make a dissenting voice go away. These a not trivial distinctions.

You accuse me (actually you accuse GoRight but since you believe I am he) of being legalistic. But are you not also being legalistic here as well? It is true that you are perfectly within your rights and your administrative remit to block sock puppets. But you are not obligated to do so, correct? You are free to decide whether to block, or not, on a case by case basis at your own whim. And since you believe that I am GoRight you choose to do so. Is this not all correct?

Now blocks are meant to be preventative, not punitive, as we all know. So let me ask you, what is it that you actually think you are preventing with this block? What harm have I, Absit invidia II, actually caused by posting a few comments on Lar's talk page, a place where I was openly invited to participate (see above)? --Absit invidia II TC (Hominem unius libri timeo) 08:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)