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Re: Thanks Re: Farmington
No worries! I don't know anything about the area; I only have the article on my watchlist because of [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Farmington,_New_Mexico&diff=450297031&oldid=450259418 some vandalism to it that I fixed], which is some of the longest-lasting vandalism that I've ever encountered! Graham 87 00:52, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you note
Thank you very much for your valuable contributions to the article on Bozcaada that I acknowledge. Thanks to your appreciated work WP now has a much better article about the island. I can state it without doubt that IMO your fingers on the keyboard have not done a less important job than your fingers on the atlases. Thank you, again, very much indeed and all the best. --E4024 (talk) 13:48, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks man. My only real concern with the island was that I'm going for a fishing trip in the region next summer and don't want to get lost by using some foolish outdated name.  Then I got really excited about the island and have now read most substantive English sources about Bozcaada.  I can't wait to eat the fish I caught that day drinking the red wine of Bozcaada and enjoying the sun.  My only concern is always "What the evidence says..." and in cases where it is clear like this I find the points against very problematic.  Best of luck to you and there's plenty you've taught me about the island, so keep it up!  AbstractIllusions (talk) 14:37, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello AbstractIllusions. You may like to check and tell your opinion about this. Filanca (talk) 19:32, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi again. Added the table of Takaoglu in Tenedos as you suggested. Could you please have a look and tell me if it is ok? (In the talk page, preferably) Filanca (talk) 13:07, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Abstract, I have seen you copy editing Greek occupation of Izmir. Some redaction help with your perfect English at the sister page Greek landing at Izmir would also be very much appreciated, in case you have time, as the article could not pass the AfD test and has a poor editing quality. Thank you vm in advance and all the best. --E4024 (talk) 21:30, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, added content to it. I do think Merge is the right option for the page, but maybe giving it a month or two to see if any improvement is possible would be good.  Thanks for following me up with copy-editing, much needed.  AbstractIllusions (talk) 18:29, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for taking the time to implement the discussed changes on Greek landing at Symirni. Khadkhall (talk) 07:50, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

History
Interesting reading piece that fellow Wikipedian Macrakis provided. You may like to read some pieces. --E4024 (talk) 14:13, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Occupation of Izmir by Greeks: Question to Abstract
Have you noticed that Greek atrocities and mal treatment of Turks in their occupation has disappeared from the lead but we (or I, maybe I am the only one -among Turkish editors- interested to show the real character of an occupier) cannot remove other details from the lead? Is this "occupation" about how good the occupier was? Why do the people of Izmir celebrate every year the end of that occupation? (The photo in the link is Izmir, 2012, civil society celebrating the end of that occupation, 90 years later, still with great joy and massive participation...) Maybe because Mr Stergiadis was such a good fellow that the Turks could not enjoy his democratic administration and they celebrate the return of autocratic Turkish administrators? Any idea why Bishop Chrysostomos was lynched? Why did not the Turks in Izmir-or other cities- do that to other bishops? (Remember the Pontus Rep article you edited. Some men of religion -like Makarios in Cyprus- have been something different from men of religion, something not very compatible with conveying a message of love from God, to all men and women.) No TP Stalkers please... --E4024 (talk) 14:38, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You are right on the unbalanced aspects of the lead. I added that although Stergiadis tried to stop discrimination, his efforts were not always effective (adding a little balance based on content and sources).  You are also right that the "Aftermath" of the Occupation is over-emphasized in the lead (99% of the content in the "Aftermath" section is mentioned in the lead, whereas for the "Response to the Landing" only about 10% of the info is in the lead).  I'm thinking about how to fix that, but don't have a great solution yet. I can't (nor will) judge Chryostomos' fidelity to God or religious principles (or anyone else's), not something I'm able to do.  Best. AbstractIllusions (talk) 14:35, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination for Panyarring
Hi. I've nominated Panyarring, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. Allen3 talk 20:58, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * A sincere thanks. AbstractIllusions (talk) 23:35, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Getting Africa Peer Review working
Note to: User:Cliftonian, User:Katangais, User:4shizzal, Hey all, here's the basic proposal: get Africa-related regional notice board/Peer review page working. Point 1: All of you are doing some great stuff in Africa-related pages. But I choose all of you for A) quality of edits and B) involvement in multiple areas and thus can bring lots of varied issues to Africa pages. Point 2: Africa-related pages are being largely ignored unless there is self-pushing (nominations and shepherding a page through FA, DYK, etc.) Point 3: The Peer review page for Africa is not working. Never really worked, and dead since 2008. Point 4: Part of this as well as other issues, has resulted in .005 pages in the Africa project ever being assessed at all (GA, A, FL, or FA) (for comparison it is .018 for Southeast Asia). Point 5: As Cliftonian recently did, he took the Lisbon Appointment article to the great folks at Military History for review, which is a great practice, but it seems an Africa peer review page could serve everyone with a more focused peer review process. I think we all might have an interest in this (although I may be wrong, of course). Hence, the proposal that with a little help from you all, we might be able to get an Africa-related peer review page going. I know some of you are busy or doing other stuff, so this doesn't need to be a quick response. Just figured I'd start the conversation, and see if there is any shared interest. AbstractIllusions (talk) 17:07, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * My Idea for how to accomplish this: 1. Archive Africa-related regional notice board/Peer review discussions to start with a clean slate, 2. Each of us thinks about putting an article up for Peer review (could be you've worked on or another article) and the others review and edit for improved content. 3. Do a similar process a month later and encourage other editors to join in the efforts.  Hopefully after that the process' utility would feed itself for a while.  AbstractIllusions (talk) 17:07, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi AbstractIllusions, just a quick note to let you know I've seen this, I don't have time to give a proper reply right now but I will later today, or maybe tomorrow. All of this basically looks like a good idea and I look forward to replying in more detail. Good work in opening a dialogue. Cheers, and talk more soon, —Cliftonian (talk) 09:45, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi again; yes, I think this would be something I would be interested in taking part in. I've wiped the peer review pages for a new start (the ones that were there, ranging from 2007 to 2009, are now archived here). To get the "new" African peer review page kicked off, I've nominated an article I've just moved from my userspace, Company rule in Rhodesia. —Cliftonian (talk) 07:25, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note that you or somebody else is going to have to fix the process for nominating articles for this, as it's presently broken. I had to do all of this manually and this will not aid the revival of this peer review page. The review I've nominated is here, incidentally. —Cliftonian (talk)</b></b> 07:36, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Got my comments up there on a great first one to kick it off. I'll put an article up in a few days. I'll also be trying to get more eyes on it and see if I can't figure out the nominating procedure.  Thanks Cliftonian, you are official awesome! AbstractIllusions (talk) 21:56, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * And to think it was unofficial for so long (!) <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">—<b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">Cliftonian</b> <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">(talk)</b></b> 03:57, 11 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your nice message on my talk page. I appreciate your efforts to breathe new life into a peer review page, too many projects have seen theirs go dead.  I will monitor the page and comment where I can (particularly on history articles), though I might not get time to do a full PR.  Cheers - Dumelow (talk) 14:33, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey thanks for the reach out. I also think this (a peer review page) is a great idea.  I've been a little absent from wiki for a while with work (I'm a teacher).  I do plan on getting back into this and touching up some articles.  I will check back in periodically to help where I can on the peer review. Scott Free (talk) 17:01, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for William Clarence Matthews
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Panyarring
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Question for administrator
I caused a problem last night with multiple open tabs, exhaustion, and trying to fix technical things (not my forte, obviously). I immediately logged off and stopped any editing until I got rested, but would like an admin to check out the damage done and fix if possible.
 * What I did: I moved Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Africa-related regional notice board accidentally. It shouldn't have been moved.  The diff is here
 * I tried to undo five times and it didn't work, but User:Til_Eulenspiegel thankfully reversed it. See: here
 * Unfortunately, Til Eulenspiegel also thinks an admin may have to look at it now. See here
 * Anyway, I never meant to move that page and as much as everything can just go back to how it was the better. I promise to never move pages when I am that tired again! --AbstractIllusions (talk) 17:01, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * FYI I'm presently taking care of it. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 18:23, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Y Done -- Gyrofrog (talk) 18:26, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Flight 825
Hi Abstract, I'm just wondering if you could possibly give this article a quick review for B class on behalf of the Africa and Zimbabwe projects? It's up for GA class right now, but it'd be nice to get it up to B class first. Please see the talk page conversation. I hope you're well. All the very best, <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">—<b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">Cliftonian</b> <b style="color:white; background:darkgreen">(talk)</b></b> 17:16, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Slavery in Mali
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Monterrey
It's Monterrey. I hope you visit further south in Turkey and even further... Best. --E4024 (talk) 20:42, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think that nonsense is going to end up being non-notable. I'm looking to see if it justifies an article or not. As for the Turkey trip, it is pretty much set at this itinerary: Istanbul, sailing to Gelibolu, hiking around Gallipoli for 3 days, Bozcaada, Asos, Foça, Izmir, Çeşme, Gundogan, hiking around Bodrum for 5 days, long sailing until Fethiye, then Kabak beach, long sailing until Antalya and then a long flight home.  (Want to include Rhodes and Mytilene but the Greek government is saying we need to get permits in Athens to sail into the ports...but we'll see). Not much in the south and most of it in the sea, but at least a bit.
 * For Rhodes there are ferries and/or catamarans all the year; I can give you their website and even e-mail adress for reservation. I am not up to date but I think there are ferries to the other island only during summer. (Leave your yacht at a marina and share an experience with the ordinary people like this scribe... :-) See your mail for details. Enjoy life. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 11:56, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ordinary people? Never! Thanks for the steak suggestion. AbstractIllusions (talk) 18:19, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
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DYK for Morris Industrial School for Indians
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for State formation
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 18:37, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Pacha
If Allen's theory is correct, I might adventure to search a relation between the "cha" part with the Turkish word "çağ" (pronunciation m/less chaa) which means epoch, era, period. Your amateur etymologist wishes you a merry Christmas and a happy new year... --E4024 (talk) 23:09, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * A couple years ago I read some of the (nonsense?) about a root language uniting all the world's languages at some primordial level. That was really fun, but I largely ignored it.  But now that I'm preparing my Turkish for the trip, finding out how many words overlap with Spanish and French is making me very happy. So maybe there is some common roots of words we all share, that would be kinda cool.  Happy New Year to you as well! AbstractIllusions (talk) 15:11, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

More nonsense
I was just watching some programme about the Maya calendar (vamos, one on 21.12.12, not a documentary :-) and I learn that "quin" is "day". In Basque language, "egun" is "day". In Turkish, "day" is "gün" (it also is one of the names of the "sun"). What is my conclusion? Nonsense... --E4024 (talk) 20:42, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The Basques add the word (or maybe suffix, no idea) "on" to "egun" to say "good-day". In Turkish "on" is not used any more as it is, as a noun; but we have developed two verbs from it: (vi) Onmak (To get well, to get better) and (vt) Onarmak (To make something better, to repair it). And these Basques also use "Agur" to say good-bye; reminds me of our "Uğur" in Turkish, which means "good luck". We also use it to say good-bye: "Uğurlar olsun". (Let there be "uğur") Sorry to use your page for my nonsense... --E4024 (talk) 22:17, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Kojo Tovalou Houénou
Orlady (talk) 12:03, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Thanks for your DYK. Have added an ALT to address your concern  Redtigerxyz  Talk 18:10, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Presidential Council (Benin)
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Thank you.
Thank you for your wonderful contributions on Jaklin Carkci. It is going to be a wonderful DYK. Proudbolsahye (talk) 19:57, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed, sorry it took me two days to realize you had fixed the problems. AbstractIllusions (talk) 01:09, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Slavery in Niger
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DYK for Hawad
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DYK for Art in Sierra Leone
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 * Great to see something good on African art, one of our weakest areas! I hope you do more. Johnbod (talk) 15:21, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Emik Avakian DYK
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DYK for Roberta Dodd Crawford
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DYK for Pope Anastasius II
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Thank you!
Thank you for your regards. Proudbolsahye (talk) 18:17, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Togolese coup article
Your article on the 1963 Togolese coup is very good! Josh (talk) 19:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I got the Decalo book sitting on the edge of my desk waiting to be added to the article. Just trying to find the time. AbstractIllusions (talk) 11:17, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of French Sudan
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DYK for French Sudan
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DYK for Mali Federation
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A barnstar for you!
Thank you so much. Much appreciated. AbstractIllusions (talk) 12:51, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Rare barnstar
Many thanks! I think UAS is next. AbstractIllusions (talk) 22:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Rwandan Dyaks
Thanks for the. Kudos on the ibitekerezo dyk. I've been mainly working on Madagascar topics but now I'm trying to beef up the coverage of Rwandan topics as well. Africa is so under-represented here. I see you're also working on bringing African articles to dyk. Thanks for you contributions, too. All the best, Lemurbaby (talk) 15:19, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks and yum!AbstractIllusions (talk) 14:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Potential GA nominations
Firstly, I wish to congratulate you on your wonderful work pertaining to African history. I was considering nominating the articles French Sudan, and Presidential Council (Benin) for GA status. What do you think of this? QatarStarsLeague (talk) 01:48, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment, much appreciated. I have, of course, no problem with any article I've edited being evaluated or edited and think the Good Article process would only help me be a better editor.  My only hesitance at this point is that I'll be starting a limited-wikipedia period for the next two months (living out of a briefcase for a while). So I won't be able to participate actively.  It is of course your prerogative and I have no fundamental objections; just letting you know that it may take weeks for me to respond to help out with any necessary changes or to even read any comments.  AbstractIllusions (talk) 21:45, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your approbation, and I will nominate the article shortly. I myself will be traveling soon, so I would hope that someone does not enlist to review immediately. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 21:51, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Union of African States
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Genocide in irian Jaya/West Papua
Perhaps you might volunteer to write a short section on this at Genocide of indigenous peoples as it seemed you had some knwledge on that topic? I have some sources, but not a complete overview yet.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:04, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay (I'm traveling). Give me a a couple days, but 'yes' I will post an initial section on it. Keep up the good editing. AbstractIllusions (talk) 01:27, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Added the content. Please copy-edit if there are problems, as you see fit. Thanks. AbstractIllusions (talk) 23:23, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Quick proposal
Hello,

Thank you for the copyedit. Makes me a lot more comfortable with the article now. In regards to the confiscation in Turkey section, I was pretty confident with that since I have copyedited and paraphrased a lot. How bout just doing something like this, we remove close paraphrase tag as of now. Then, you can copyedit whenever you want and at your own leisure. If you run into problems of close paraphrasing we can put the tag back and paraphrase accordingly. Im totally fine with examining the issue and editing the paragraph/sentence myself using the advice you gave. Thanks once again. Proudbolsahye (talk) 03:05, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * So yeah, the tag should probably remain on for one more round of changes. The Turkish section is ok--no serious problems (it seems) but some changes to make sure that this is not a derivative work. Remember--a key part of close paraphrasing is also not 'over quoting'. Short quotations can be used to highlight points but using multiple quotations from a source and just changing the filler around the quotes would also be close paraphrasing. I'm swamped right now--but we should be able to get the close paraphrasing tag removed by the weekend (hopefully). AbstractIllusions (talk) 15:58, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll make some minor touch-ups till then. Personally, I'm hoping we can get it removed even before then. Good luck with your travels/work. Proudbolsahye (talk) 19:59, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the copy-editing. I think we are both confident that close paraphrasing issue is solved by now. I suggest removing the tag. If me and you run run into close paraphrasing issues, we can work on it together by replacing the tag and solving the issue. Proudbolsahye (talk) 07:17, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm quite confident that there is still plagiarism/close paraphrasing in the article. You can certainly tackle the remaining sections (remember: please put extra focus on non-English sources) until I can sit down and show close paraphrased sections that I can't fix and fix close paraphrased sections that I can. AbstractIllusions (talk) 17:50, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh well I thought you said Turkish section is okay with no serious problems. In addition to the okay with Ottoman section I thought we would be safe. I also want to add that the table and the Contemporary analyses section was done by another user, Chienlit. Proudbolsahye (talk) 21:46, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Abstract, I'll fix the problems you have raised. But please, give it a shot before you go on a 2 weeks break. I am not going to be able to find anyone else other than you providing a second opinion as to when the tag should be removed. The article is practically rewritten due to both our contributions and we're almost at the finish line. Please, one more push is all I ask. Besides, it makes no sense to rewrite the table since it only mentions points and it is not written in prose. Also, the table and contemporary analyses section went through substantial copy-edits by user Chienlit and Bluemoonset. Check out the history. Proudbolsahye (talk) 01:57, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Rassemblement Démocratique Africain
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GA review done
Heya AbstractIllusions, I've finished the GA review for the Presidential Council (Benin) article. Leave a note on my talk page when you've had a chance to take a look. No rush. Best, Lemurbaby (talk) 01:23, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

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edit request
now that most people are in agreement, can you or someone else remove the phrase "Putin's government has been described as a "mafia state" by several western media and analysts" in the Vladimir Putin intro, note that it is mentioned twice in the article first in the intro and then in the Assessments section so it could reworded there 83.180.212.67 (talk) 20:47, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure. That'll help you more than I can.  A formal closure may not be necessary, but I'd suggest giving the discussion a few days to settle before an involved editor close happens. Best. AbstractIllusions (talk) 00:29, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eat you. I am also unwatching. Not worth the time.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 03:08, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I made the same decision a while back. It make me sad that that article will never be any good any long as it's held captive by that troll, but I've got enough sources of aggravation in real life. I hope to join you back there someday when things improve. --Coemgenus (talk) 19:52, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks of course flow the opposite way. Keep up good editing all! AbstractIllusions (talk) 02:03, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for mediation
You have been mentioned at Requests for mediation/Anti-Hinduism.--Toddy1 (talk) 20:24, 22 March 2014 (UTC)