User talk:Acdixon/Archive Jan-Jun 2007

WikiProject Kentucky template redesigned and cleaned up
Hi there. Just completed a major renovation of the template. I hope it solves most or all of the remaining issues with it. If you should need any more technical assistance with it, please don't hesitate to leave me a note. Stevie is the man! Talk &bull; Work 02:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Kentucky Assessments
I've been dumping counties as mid-importance, and most "local" cities as low. It's my feeling that we need to focus on county development before city development. Now, Louisville, Lexington, Frankfort, Newport, and the like are higher priority than say, Hardinsburg, Brandenburg, etc., or at least that's how I envision it. Soldan 17:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, going through some of these articles, I've come across some very strong ones that we might want to try to push to feature status. Carrie Nation and the Carrollton bus disaster are both very strong, and I don't think it would take much to get them to GA status or better.Soldan 19:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * For that matter, we can go ahead and start posting "close to good" articles on the project page as we find them. Put them somewhere on the main page, which needs a coat of whitewash anyway.  I think we'll be closer to obtaining a portal if we get some more good, A, and FA articles. Soldan 19:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool beans amigo. Going through the Unassessed is tedious, but I guess it's worth it in the endrun.Soldan 20:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks amigo. that gets us closer to done.Soldan 21:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Other Questions
Would a comic character from Kentucky fall into one we'd want to push towards Good? Soldan 20:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Cannonball (comics) It's a damn fine article. Just not something I know about.  But I think it's damn close to a GA IMO.Soldan 20:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I dunno about the Fruit Guys. I don't think they are as linked to Kentucky as the company, or to the comic character.  But I don't know.  I've only been editing hard core for a little while now.Soldan 20:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Diane Sawyer
Oops -- silly me. I read "Glasgow" in her row on the list and immediately thought of Glasgow, Scotland, without clicking on the link; figured it was one of those traveling parents things and they lived there for work, but she moved to Lexington later in her life. Aha! Well, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks, and good luck in the renomination. --Fbv65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 23:29, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Your message
Hi Acdixon! Good to talk to someone with an interest in KY. :-) When I looked in to your request to changed the name, I noticed that the name had been changed in the reverse a few months back. . We need to figure out why that happened before we undo it, I think. Do you want to look into it or I can if you rather. Let me know. FloNight 01:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Morgan's Raid
Thanks for the very kind words!!! I submitted this article for a peer review a while back, and the only negative was the lack of citations. I have not had a chance to go back and add them in, but your words are an incentive now to do so. I will try to tackle this over the next couple of weeks while on business trips. Again, thanks for your encouragment! Scott Mingus 00:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Category:American liberals

 * Looking on your userpage I see that you are a fellow Republican. Even though there is a category labeling "American conservatives", the category labeling "American liberals" is up for deletion. This is obviously by liberals who don't want the bias pov of liberal celebrities and public figures to be known. So they don't want them categorized as what they are...liberals. I'm asking you to go to "Category:American liberals" follow the link to the nomination page and please vote to keep the category. -- AmeriCan 17:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

William Goebel
Hello. I have somehow improved fair use rationale, feel free to alter. Anyway, congratulations on a very nice article. - Darwinek 14:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hiya I've viewed the fair use rationale on the picture and as soon as the minimum 2 day waiting period has expired I'll be happy to rate the article as GA. BigHairRef | Talk 19:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of William Goebel
The article William Goebel you nominated as a good article has passed, see Talk:William Goebel for eventual comments about the article. Good luck in future nominations. Apologies for the delay in changing the status of the article, was an oversight on my part. BigHairRef | Talk 17:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the warm welcome to the WikiProject Kentucky! Yeah, I've been thinking about making a trip out to Frankfort/Lexington sometime in the near future, which won't be much of a big deal for me since I live in Spencer County. Hopefully I can remember to get the photos you requested. Thanks again, Caliga10 15:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Question
Jim Bunning is already there I think for a GA, if not higher. How exactly does such an article get submitted? Soldan 20:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I nominated John Carpenter, because that article is very well written. I see the problem with the Jim Bunning article, and I should probably rescend the nomination.Soldan 20:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I'm getting goofy=eyed from doing mass ratings.  Only about 300 left or so to rate though.Soldan 20:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's all good amigo. This will get done by the end of the week, and then I will be working on the new layout for the WP:KY.  But I already rescended on Bunning.  So we'll see how the Carpenter article turns out.Soldan 21:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries amigo. Has to be done, and well, like you said, it's just you, Stevie, and me at this point getting stuff done.Soldan 21:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Caught ya
Darn it, i was gonna leave the lists for you, because I'm lost on them. :p Soldan 17:28, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough amigo. Or they'll just stay unassessed forever.  Or we just make them all into Featured List quality stuff, and own the FL category for a whileSoldan 17:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Good Article Question
I wrote 1st Kentucky Artillery a while ago, and I was wondering, what is your opinion on the status, as in what else needs to be done to get it to GA status. Soldan 16:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

List of counties in Kentucky
There is a problem; see below.

I revised the page because the new macros used to define the entries provide more information and make the internal format of the page cleaner (at least in my opinion). I shall try to finish the page by moving the rest of the entries to the new table format by the end of today, and then you can propose it as a best list. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 18:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I noticed when I was adding the FIPS codes for each county, that in the list of counties which include histories, Wayne County is missing, but it appears in the census info list. This will need to be fixed; I will put the county in the table with empty history information and you can look it up. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 19:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Your edit of January 26 created two tables listing the counties to change the article from your edit of January 15. Unfortunately when you did the edit of January 26 you left out Wayne County in the new table. You need to see if there is a map image for that county. I was just mostly checking to make sure I hadn't made the mistake. I won't criticize because I've made errors too, and I realized that I could have made the same mistake, so the only suggestion I will make is when doing a long list of items, you might try comparing item by item against another list so you don't miss any; that's how I spotted the missing item. I'm thinking it would have been embarrassing to propose it as a featured list and they point out it's incorrect, or worse, if it gets approved and it's discovered later that it was. :) Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 19:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

This is kind of funny. I gather you copied the entry for Washington County to create the entry for Wayne County. When I was saving my changes I got an edit conflict. So I checked and found you had added the new information for Wayne County. However, the map specified for Wayne County was the map for Washington County! I did correct that, however. I find it kind of funny, so don't think I'm picking on you. :) Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 20:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Two New Points

 * 1) I have converted the census table from standard table syntax into a macro. The size of the source page dropped from 96K to 53K.
 * 2) If you look at the internal format of the table entries, the way they are shown is much clearer and better formatted. Also, each row of the table is now one line instead of 11.  It definitely makes it easier to update if needed.
 * Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 10:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Kentucky spellings
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Kentucky Counties
All of them have (each more or less complete) infoboxes. Ancjr 09:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

List of counties in Kentucky
I discovered an issue with the display of List of counties in Kentucky - assuming it was from the addition of Livingston County, I reverted my last change to no avail. Further investigation revealed the display issues were present in previous versions as well. I discussed the issue with another editor who suggested consulting: Template limits Ancjr 09:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

List of counties in Kentucky has new feature
Thanks to a new feature added with release 1.10 of the Wikimedia software, I have implemented it on the List of counties in Kentucky. Check it out and tell me what you think. It took me two hours to update the page to add the new feature, then redesign the pages now that the map showing each county is no longer needed. Let me know what you think. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 05:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for adding the extremely impressive image map to List of counties in Kentucky. In the interests or readability, I moved it from the very start of the page to lower down. I restored the individual county maps, as they enable anybody reading the article to instantly see where the county there are interested in is. I also dropped the size of the image slightly to prevent horizontal scrollbars (you don't have to chnage the image maps co-ords for that). Tom pw (talk) 11:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, as you know, there's another 49 states to work through, should you have any free time :-) Tom pw (talk) 11:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, actually there are only a total of 46 states in the United States, and there are still 46 left. (Kentucky is the one most people forget isn't a state; even I didn't have it the first time I was asked.  I note people can usually get the other three.) Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 19:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your work on this list. With your addition, it's now even better! I think Tompw's changes are good ones, but there's no question this map is a great new feature. Acdixon 13:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see you like the new feature. I - and others - had been "lobbying" the developers to put some form of clickmap capability in the Wikimedia software for quite some time now and once it was announced that it was available, I tried it out in a couple of pages first (see List of Texas area codes) and how it and each area code page's map interconnects to all the other area codes in that state along with neighboring states. There was a minor error that I - and others - had discovered which was fixed, and now the feature works and it really hepls. I even paid the shareware fee for a program that allows creation of clickmaps, then I use Word Perfect to translate the map from the standard format to Wikipedia's specification.

Where I was first thinking about it was a clickable map of the United States, and this is now also another good feature. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 19:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Speedy delete warning
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International BBQ festival
I've removed the tag as you've improved it and added sources. Thank you for your contribution and keep up the good work! --Samtheboy (t/c) 18:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Flag of Greenville Kentucky.PNG
Thank you for uploading Image:Flag of Greenville Kentucky.PNG. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

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Re: Pictures of Kentucky
Thanks for your message. I discovered a gold mine of pictures at the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Digital Visual Library and I have been mining it for all it's worth. They have thousands of pictures there, mostly of lakes, dams, and rivers, of course, since that's what they do. Frankly, most of their photographs are of rather low quality, but they are certainly better than nothing! &#9679;DanMS • Talk 23:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Assembly
Hey, no it's not necessary that there be seperate articles, but its preferable. I think a more in-depth article about each house should be written and that some of the more detailed info from the General Assembly page should belong only on the pages of the specific houses. Mr. Vitale 20:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If that's what you want to do, but I think we should actively try to expand the information enough so that there is enough to warrent splitting it into pages for each house. Perhaps we should try to mimick the type of info that is on the House/Senate pages of other states? Mr. Vitale 22:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I took a look at the differences between state legislature pages and the pages of individual houses. For those states which have pretty good/complete pages on all of those topics (very few, actually), it appears that the state legislature page gives general information on the founding/history of the body, where/when it meets, how seats are apportioned, and requirements for holding office, and then the basic current tally on who controls how many seats in each house.  Pages about individual houses talk about the formation of the branch, what makes it unique, its powers relative to other branches, and the leadership of minority/majority parties.  It'd be nice to (someday) have pages really complete like that for the legislatures of all states. Mr. Vitale 15:36, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Happy Chandler
Technically, I have no source for the information about Chandler. It is not original research however because I looked through the wiki page of every Senator in U.S. history in order to ascertain this. It is simply existing knowledge in a new classified form.--Dr who1975 17:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It occurs to me that you may just be looking for a simple explanation so here it is... if you look at Joseph H. Ball, the next Senator in the list of most seniorq living Senators... he did not start his Senate service until 1940. Thus Chandeler was the last living Senator from the 1930s.--Dr who1975 17:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Chandler looks like he had a very interesting life where he accomplished a wide variety of things. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help you get this listed as a feature article. Like if you need me to comment in support of the submission... or anything else for that matter.--Dr who1975 13:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If you want to remove the information from Chandler's page go ahead. Two things... 1. I said I looked throught the pages of every senator in the senate... it's all cited at . 2. This really smacks of a lack of thouroughnss on your part, there's other information on Chandlers page of the same nature as this which you don't seem to have an issue with. How long have you been cleaning up his page anyway? If it will end this discussion. Please go ahead and remove the information as you wish.--Dr who1975 12:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey there. Your response sounds reasonable. I apologize for over reacting. The things is, I'm working on a complete list of all U.S. Senators by Senioriy that can be used to cite this. However, it's going to take me at least a year as I'm still compiling the the list of Senators by Senirority for each congrees. Short of comparing the the semi official lis of all U.S. Senators by seniority from the senate website against the various profiles of all Senators on the congressional website (which is what I've done) I don;t think you're not going to find a Primary source for this or the info about Chandler being the earliet U.S. Governor (which I have also done some work on but did not originate... and I did not write the paragraph about Chandler being the earliest Governor on his page either). My biggest concern here is the removal of months of work from wikipedia becuase of an orgiginal research debate. I think it's best to chaulk up both points to compilation as it is mentioned on the page Original research. By the way, have you looked at the pages Earliest living US senator and Earliest serving US governor?--Dr who1975 16:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Basically... I'm asking that you not do anything that would result in the removal of these articles. I am continually working on getting them better cited. I also have a full time job, a 6 month old daughter and 8 year old step son, and am working on an MBA... all of which take up time too. If you are concerned that the data may prevent the Chandler article form getting feature status then please remove it from the article. My offer to help also still stands.--Dr who1975 00:43, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I understand what you mean about the citation source for the POV on Chandler. These items can be easily verified through the archives of the Lexington Herald-Leader and/or the UK student-run daily, the Kentucky Kernel. Unfortunately, I don't have access to these to cite, but I do know they occurred, as I personally witnessed the song performances in 1987 - 1988, and the fact that after the "incident" he no longer made another performance at a UK basketball game. As a former school newspaper reporter who commented on the issues at the time, I wonder if my word would count? Egthegreat 01:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Baptist group
There now is a proposed project to deal specifically with articles relating to Baptists at WikiProject Council/Proposals. If you would be interested in joining such a group, please indicate as much by adding your name there. Thank you. John Carter 19:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Emerson
I couldn't figure out how to fix the capitalization on my Emerson article. Thank you for your help. Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 18:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

haven't forgotten Everly Brothers
Hiya,

Long time no chat. I promised I'd work on Everly Brothers, and I haven't forgotten you. I added a fair use rationale/tag for the image, and made the discography (singles) section a sortable wikitable... One day, probably two or three months from now, I'm gonna fall upon that article like the vengeance of whomever..--Ling.Nut 14:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * PS &mdash; hey, I added a caption to the image... saying that Phil is on the left and Don on the right.. but actually, I have no idea if that's correct. Please check. --Ling.Nut 17:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * PPS &mdash; the article was riddled with vandalism by Kennyquator. Guess no one is watching it closely... --Ling.Nut 00:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

WKU user box and category
There is now a userbox and category for wikipedians by alma mater. please join so this category can be populated. thanks (Sampm 06:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC))

WikiProject Kentucky
Thanks for pointing out the project. I love it. I joined and have created a barnstar for the project, which I've submitted. I could use some help getting people to go and post their support for it. It's on the Barnstar and award proposals page. I wanted to post a comment about this on the WikiProject page, but I couldn't find an appropriate place for it. Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 16:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

US county lists
I created WikiProject U.S. counties/county lists as a place to keep track of the all the lists of US counties by state, as well as provde a place to ensure common standards. Plus, it provides a chance to focus as a group on a few states at a time, rather than spreading our efforts out thinkly. Tom pw (talk) (review) 15:38, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Kentucky
Thanks for the message! I would love to help get an article to FA status. I'm glad I could help out WikiProject Kentucky. I'll be interested to see where the article goes! Thanks again!  Cool Blue  talk to me 22:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Loretta Lynn
I'm not sure about removing Loretta Lynn, as Butcher Hollow isn't a town or community in itself, and Van Lear, Kentucky (which is where Butcher Hollow is actually located) is under the control of Paintsville, Kentucky. I would have probably made the same call as you did, but I happen to be from Paintsville and therefore know about it and its surrounding areas. Other such communities include Meally and Hagerhill.

Louisville waterfront arena
I attempted to cite sources and do major revisions to Louisville waterfront arena. I won't be editing it again until tomorrow afternoon, but if you want to wiggle what is revised, it would be appreciated. I plan on revising and citing sources, and possibly restructuring the article based on other conventions -- I'm unsure if the current setup is correct or not. Cheers,  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 23:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Per William Goebel (noticed this on another talk page), you might be interested in this source.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 23:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

William O'Connell Bradley GA on hold
Nehrams2020 01:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of James F. Robinson
The article James F. Robinson you nominated as a good article has failed, see Talk:James F. Robinson for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of said article. If you oppose this decision, you may ask for a review.

• The Giant Puffin • 12:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Happy Chandler GA on hold
--Nehrams2020 20:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Adminship
I would like to nominate you for adminship, and I think you would make an outstanding administrator. As per Wikipedia policy, it is recommended that I discuss that possibility with you first. Would you like to be an administrator on Wikipedia? Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 18:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Murray State University
I wanted to say thank you for the work and insight you have contributed to the Murray State University article. I am still learning the more advanced things on Wikipedia, and I really do appreciate the input you have given on the various ideas and discussions that have came up in the past few weeks. I was wondering if you could perhaps assist me in making a userbox for current students, faculty, staff, and alumni of MSU. Thanks! --Antcjone 20:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That userbox looks wonderful! Thank you so much for helping me with that.--Antcjone 19:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Image:Kypopulation.png
Is this useful? I cleaned it up a little... Image:Kypopulation.png Ling.Nut 06:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the Bluegrass Barnstar recognition! I love my home state and writing articles about it. WildManKY 20:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Kentucky CSA Seal
I used the one you linked to and another crappy quality one to work off of. I've redrawn it and it is in SVG format. You can find it at Image:Ky_CSA_Seal.svg. I hope this helps you!!! -- Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 20:23, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I will help as much as time will allow me to do so. And with what limited knowledge of the subject I have, I will need to spend some time finding sources anyways.  But I would love to help. -- Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 20:34, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Happy Chandler
Hey, thanks for the note. I didn't know the information was removed before, sorry. Now I have expanded the paragraph. Regards. WooyiTalk to me? 20:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

George W. Johnson pic.
Ooops! I had two images sitting on my desktop and I had already determined which one was correct, but uploaded the wrong one and then back referenced it. My apologies. I fixed it with the one from http://www.potterflats.com/johnson.html. I know you said you should have one in a couple of days, but I hope this suffices in the meantime as I don't want an incorrect picture laying around on Wikipedia. -- Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 16:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

George W. Johnson
Let me take a look at the article and I'll just give it a good once-over. As far as taking the lead on Hawes, I would, but I've become extremely busy as of late. Stupid real life. :) But I will  help as much as I possibly can.  I will review George W. Johnson sometime between now and this evening.  When I finish I'll let you know and you can proceed with the nomination.  I will say that the article is looking rather good! -- Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 18:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I think it's ready for nomination. It was fine the way it was.  I made a couple changes, only one of which I actually feel was necessary (I think the word Union was used in the place of Confederacy). Click here to see that change.  Other than that, I added an image in, just to give the article a little color. Great work, by the way (which is pretty much expected from you). -- Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 20:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Albert Gallatin Hawes
I created the stub for Albert Gallatin Hawes btw. So that's one less thing we have to do. It's not very good, but I did it in like 5-10 minutes while I was at work during a few minutes of down time. -- Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 02:53, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Richard Hawes Children
Richard Hawes had six children, according to the 1850 United States Census - four of them males - It's hard to read, but it looks like the names were (ages are as of 1850, when the census was taken): The daughters were: I hope this helps you. -- Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 14:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Lemuel - Age 16
 * Corey - Age 13 (this one was hard to read - so I'm not 100% on it)
 * Richard - Age 9
 * Smith - Age 7
 * Clara - Age 17 (this one was hard to read - so I'm not 100% on it)
 * Kelly - Age 11


 * [[Image:Census_1850_-_Hawes.jpg|right|250px]] Here's an image for you. -- Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 14:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It says 53, but it's hard to make out - They write their 5s kinda weird but he's listed as 53, and his wife is listed at 51. Additionally, his profession is listed as lawyer and he was born in Virginia.  This census sheet was also taken at District 2, Bourbon County, Kentucky.  All the information matches our Richard Hawes.  As far as James Morrison Hawes, depending on his age, he may or may not have been living with that family.  The census record only records who was actually living in the house at the time.  I think at age 26 it's possible James M. Hawes might not have been living with Richard Hawes.  I got this information from Ancestry.com, but their information comes from scans of actual census records. -- Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 15:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * According to the 1850 Census of New York, there was a James M Hawes whom was born in Kentucky living in New York at the age of 26 -- occupation: Officer U.S.A. (or C.S.A. -- I can't make it out clearly) -- Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 15:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Before we go removing the info pertaining to Hawes's number of children, I must ask -- is it possible to cite official U.S. Census records? If so, I think that could be the ticket until we find a book source -- after all, census records are available through libraries on microfiche.  When I was still in school, I remember referencing documents that could only be attained through microfiche in some of my term-papers.  Just a thought. -- Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 18:31, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * As with any sources (including texts), nothing is 100% accurate. But if we use the best data from all of our available sources, I think we will fulfill the requirement for GA status. -- Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 20:53, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. I have been basically unavailable for the last couple of days, and every time I went to give it a proper once-over, I was interrupted. I have read over it now, and there were no changes necessary. I reworded a sentence yesterday, but that wasn't really required either. I think its ready for GA! I got my fingers crossed. -- Steven Williamson (HiB2Bornot2B) - talk 17:39, 1 July 2007 (UTC)