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Pre-Crisis
Please read the Talk page before re-inserting Edits, and please comment on why you made those edits. I removed pre-Crisis from instances of "Pre-Crisis Earth Two" in Batman's statitstics panel because it was already HUGE, and because earth-two is by definition pre-crisis. If you think it's important, though, please come to the Talk page to discuss it! Simnel 11:09, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Lobo
The general consensus throughout the comic books entries is that same-name characters are presented chronologically. The very popular motorcyle-riding Ghost Rider, for example, does not precede the Western hero named Ghost Rider. Chronological logic is one of the basic tenets of encyclopedic writing, which is different from popular-press magazine writing. To return to encyclopedic form, we're revising the Lobo entry to its previous outline. Don't sweat it — there are lots of stylistic things in both Wiki in general and the Comics Portal community in specific. I've been doing this for more than six months and I learn some new technique or bit of etiquette still! — Tenebrae 19:59, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

It's OK, I'm fine with the way the Lobo page used to be before I edited it (chronologically ordered). I just thought a more well-known character would have precedence. --Ace ETP 20:20, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * S'OK, Ace. As you can see if you go to the Lobo (comics) Discussion page, I'm the dope who called the Wakandan-born-and-raised Black Panther an African-American. D'oh!! :-)  — Tenebrae 20:26, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Re-inserting content
Once again, if you're going to re-insert stuff (on the Batman page, in this case) please read the talk page, and explain why you're adding it back in. I'm reverting some of your edits. Simnel 21:46, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Air Wave
I like the work you've done helping clean up the Infinite Crisis page. Your reason for moving Air Wave to the Dead column made sense. However, whoever originally noted why he might be alive was wrong. The reason his death is debatable is not because he might have gone to Earth-2 (because he couldn't have, as you so accurately pointed out) but because dispersing a character of his nature in a million directions is unlikely to destroy him. In comics, any character like that will eventually reintegrate. That's always how it goes. This isn't a criticism. I just wanted to make sure you know that when I undid your change, it was not an arbitrary dislike of someone's edits.

Again, great work on all those other edits, Ace.Wryspy 07:09, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Cir-El
Glad we got everything straight, I had just copied Superman's family on to Cir-El's family, and in retrospect, you were right, those were way too many relatives for a genetically altered "daughter" of Superman. 204.116.172.145 02:26, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Donna Troy Space crew disappearance
Kyle asks where they all went, it's pretty obvious that Kilowog, Kyle, and Hawkman are the only ones that didn't disappear. Even if you want to be skeptical about that point, we know at the very least that Starfire, Cyborg, and Hawkgirl are gone from Teen Titans OYL (for the first two) and Hawkman's line in IC for the last. I have no idea where you've seen any of those people in 52, but even if they do appear, they are currently missing as of Infinite Crisis. --Rocketgoat 18:41, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

edits to Changes/Infinite Crisis
As last editor, I'm mildly irked you weren't more clear in directing that snipey last edit comment to Chrisgriswold, who did the editing in question. Further, I think his purpose was mostly, by looking at it, Alpha by surname reorganization. That's a reasonable system for organizing lists. Cool off, assume good faith, etc., etc. most of the big messes on that page are settled.ThuranX 00:17, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I understand how my comments may have upset you. I won't deny a change of organization I didn't understand in an article I tend to observe a lot annoyed me, but while I may have failed to assume good faith as I should have, remember you mentioned yourself how Character Changes used to be a page riddled by mess. Sometimes people trying to be helpful tend to ignore some of the conventions we have all reached in the talk people. This not only happens when, say, someone erases a character who returns One Year Later. It also happens when people make changes not implemented anywhere else in the article. While I guess I'll swallow my pride, apologize, and admit that had I just restrained myself and use a word like "change" rather than "screw" to refer to that contributor's edit I could have avoided sounding like a complete asshole, I hope you can understand what I was thinking then, and that like that previous editor, I was also only trying to do what I thought was right for the article. --Ace ETP 21:15, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Nah, it's not THAT big a deal, I just wanted to remind you of clarity and good faith. Changes will keep happening for a few months, then it'll settle till the graphic novel comes out, then settle again.ThuranX 22:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

-Sorry about the mix up with Superman. I was messing with something else, and I didn't see that last edit. My apologies.--Wakefencer
 * Accepted. And don't worry. No harm done. --Ace ETP 23:14, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

User talk:24.116.191.146
Regrettably, IP addresses cannot be blocked for more than a month per the blocking policy. Were it a user account I would block indef. Should he continue after his 31 hour block, I'll block for a week, then a month, then continue with month long blocks till he desists. I appreciate you weighing in on this. Thank you. --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 20:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Let's just hope he doesn't register under a real user name, or some unlucky bastard ending up with the same IP adress for some reason doesn't end up not being able to edit articles because of his actions. --Ace ETP 20:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


 * If I remember correctly, blocking a user account indef only blocks the underlying IP for 24 hours. Autoblock I think. --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 20:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Golden Age Batman
Hi -- I noticed your recent edit summery in Batman. If my understanding is correct, unlike Superman and Wonder Woman, Batman's chronology was not restarted after Crisis, and the canon-ity Golden and Silver age stories are taken on a 'burn that bridge when we cross it' basis. ~CS 21:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


 * oooh... post Infinite Crisis. My bad. I haven't been reading it. It does have some bearing on the Bat-Verse then...  =\ ~CS 22:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Amos Fortune
Regarding your Infinite Crisis edit about Amos Fortune, I think that JSA Classified is designed to tie in to the JLA classified story, and both are set PRE-Crisis. Even if it's not, please remember that the IC article refers to the context of IC, and the talk page has multiple editors asking editors to focus on perception within the context of IC. It's been remarked that if we erase villians every time one's brought back from the dead, replaced, or otherwise returns to an active status, eventually the article would be empty, and pointless. ThuranX 03:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright, I'm sold. I just wanted to check. ThuranX 04:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Believe me, no one is more aware than me that the Character Changes page is not meant to reflect subjective interpretantions or Post-Infinite Crisis changes. However, despite the fact that the JSA Classified story was meant to tie in to the JLA Classified story from the previous month, the former obviously takes place many years after the latter, and Post-Crisis, as demonstrated by the presence of Fortune's half-face mask, Gypsy's new costume, and the JSA having temporarily disbanded. While Fortune being depicted alive without explanation in the JSA Classified story was likely due to the writer not being aware he had been implied dead by Gail Simone in the Villains United Special, the fact that his face is still scarred means that whatever explanation there is for him having survived likely has to do with him having used his powers, rather than having been resurrected from scratch somehow. Besides, he never should have been listed under Deaths. He should have been under Unconfirmed Deaths from the beggining, where I put him. Not only did we not see him hit the ground after Knockout pushed him off the helicopter in the Villains United Special, but we also have to take into account that if anyone can cheat death when falling off an aircraift, it's a man who can manipulate luck. Hell, Major Disaster is under Unconfirmed Deaths simply because he is very strong, despite the fact that his neck was snapped in plain sight. Finally, quoting Pudge himself: Well, in my possibly ''soon-to-end life, I've never been more certain of one thing. I should have not called the redhead's chicky a slut.'' Within the context of Infinite Crisis, no one besides Fortune could have been aware of his exact fate after falling off the plane, ergo, Unconfirmed Death. --Ace ETP 04:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * dude, chillax. I already said OK on your talk page. I fully believe you. I THOUGHT, erroneously, that JSA was also Pre-IC. ThuranX 21:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Superherobox
I undid your review on SHB; my edit summaries were unclear, but I fixed the glitch that was breaking alter_ego. The last touch was that last edit to fix a certain slim set of cases where the entire block wouldn't appear if certain parameters weren't used. Basically, I fixed it, and don't have any more work to do on that parameter for the time being. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I think what you interpreted as a glitch breaking the "alter ego" field was actually caused by my unsuccesful attempts to change the field's name by myself after no one oppossed my proposal to change it back to "real name" in the talk page. --Ace ETP 23:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I suggest bringing it up on WT:CMC and getting support or opposition there; the template's talk page isn't very closely watched. All you did is break the parameter again. :/ - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I was not the one who put in this line but it seems relevant as one of his weaknesses: "In Superman/Batman #8-13, he is willing to do whatever is "necessary" to destroy evil, including destroying an entire world of inhabitants." Furthermore... I think Wayne Enterprises HAVE caused much harm by the super-villains they've created such as The Joker, Clayface, etc. In the movie "Batman Begins" Bruce Wayne is thrown in prison for stealing food -- whcih is even more condemnation of his corporate culture. Poison Ivy is also very critical of the environmental devesttion caused by Wayne Enterprises (which is rather directly guided by Bruce Wayne).

Batman as anti-hero
The sentence asserts that people consider him the first comic anti-hero. What people? Who says this? That needs a citation. Doczilla 23:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. I agree with you there. In fact, the inclusion of that sentence was suggested (in archived talk page discussion) by me and another editor as a compromise between his desire to include an entire paragraph about the "Batman as anti-hero" interpretation being prevalent, and my desire to erase any reference to Batman as an anti-hero (as it invokes POV, since the word "anti-hero" means "a protagonist with qualities not normally found in characters who the audience sympathizes with", rather than "a violent or otherwise unconventional hero", as many people commonly assume). --Ace ETP 23:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Template:Middle-earth
Tolkien's legendarium was much more about Middle-earth, and Middle-earth was not the only place in which many crucial events in his legendarium took place (just as The Lord of the Rings was not his only important work that illustrated the history of Arda; The Silmarillion really serves as the backbone of The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, and the first half of the book takes place in Aman, which constantly plays crucial roles throughout the second half). Númenor, Aman (Valinor, Tirion, Formenos &mdash; the Valar, who were pivotal players in the First Age of Arda, dwelled in Valinor, which is outside of Middle-earth). The Middle-earth title is a little misleading and in that matter, because many material goes beyond the boundaries of Middle-earth &mdash; that is why the word 'Middle-earth' is omitted.

Generally, Middle-earth is most commonly associated to The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, and Arda or a plain 'legendarium' without the Middle-earth encompasses other works and places that are crucial to the history of Arda (e.g. The Silmarillion). The most respected encyclopedia for information related to Tolkien's legendarium is the Encyclopedia of Arda (we had some Tolkienites come up to us and point out that a reliable encyclopedia was already created and there was no need to build up more information in Wikipedia >_<), and note that it is called the Encyclopedia of Arda, not Middle-earth.

Breakdown of geography of Tolkien's legendarium:
 * Fictional universe: Eä (Universe or Milky Way; Tolkien didn't really distinguish between the two in relations from Eä to the real world)
 * Fictional world: Arda (Earth)
 * Fictional continents:
 * Middle-earth (Eurasia)
 * Aman a.k.a. The Undying Lands (no correlation to real-world; Aman was the dwelling of the Valar who function as Powers of Arda under the Creator a.k.a. God, Eru Ilúvatar, and the Elves)
 * Númenor (Atlantis; alas, it shares the same fate as well)

I know that many of Tolkien's articles state 'the fictional universe of Middle-earth', but it's deceiving (and oversimplifies facts) and we should be working to clear the matter up. A lot of the articles related to Tolkien's legendarium need to conform to the Standards; however, there are few actively involved in the WikiProject to actually bring Tolkien related articles to encyclopedic standards. However, I will keep the Middle-earth temporarily until a discussion takes place, because I don't think there has been a clear consensus on this; so thanks for bringing it up to my attention. :) — Mir  l   e   n   02:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I am very familiar with the points you are presenting, Mirlen. In fact, had I enough time and/or motivation, I would call for every single reference in Wikipedia to "Tolkien's fictional universe of Middle-earth" to be changed to "Tolkien's fictional world of Arda", and for the "Middle-earth" article to be deposed from its position as the "flagship" legendarium article in favor of the "Arda" article. I added the word "Middle-earth" to the template so users could use it to access the main article about the legendarium in adittion to being able to use it to access the articles about the works which build the legendarium (even if I disagree about the location of the former). --Ace ETP 03:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

RE: Bette Kane
While I appreciate the seemingly good faith and clarification,—I did have a feeling—it would be better to make a note on the articles talk page. Consider these questions the next time you're tempted to leave a note elsewhere:


 * Was this a single content disputing revert?
 * Was no indication of vandalism?
 * Would a talk page comment be answered?
 * Has the user made substaniel edits before yours?

If it's mostly "yeses" chances are that person might just be reasonable and respond civilly to a talk page comment. Editting can be confusing and people can make mistakes. Best not to worsen the situation with clutter to their talk page, if you can help it. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

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Do You Want Your Name Added to the List, Son?
Dear sir, I've noticed that you removed the important comments of the InterAmerican Fundamentalist Society from the page on hell. Because of this, I rebuke you in the name of the Lord, son of Satan!


 * My dear anon: does the Lord Jesus Christ not love all of his children? If the prodigal son is more deserving of Heaven than his jealous brother, then me and Mark Twain are entitled to more bliss in the after-life than a certain anonymous, condescending, self-righteous prick. That list does not belong in the "Hell" article. Bring it up on the talk page if you must, but I'm sure editors will discourage you from including it. --Ace ETP 03:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear Ace, The list was not by me; it was compiled by the InterAmerican Fundamentalist Society. I was merely attempting to report on the point of view put forth by this august body. I am not saying that Mark Twain IS in hell; only that this particular evangelical group believes that he is in hell. Your removal of the list is simply bad reporting. I will pray that you do not wind up in the firey chasm. Your sincerely, Pastor Rick Martin


 * Pastor Martin, at no point did I suggest that you made that list yourself. The fact of the matter is that the InterAmerican Fundamentalist Society is not a reliable secondary source of the type a footnote can be attributed to (as they make no attempt to disguise the fact they ascribe to fundamentalism), nor does a list compiled by a very specific group of Evangelical individuals belong to an article which aspires to list more general Abrahamic/Dharmic/Pagan/Philosophical concepts of the Underworld/Hell. --Ace ETP 04:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Dear Mr. Ace:
 * Mister Twain has heard of your public expression of regard for him, and has instructed me to cordially invite you to tea this Sunday. As the tea is the finest Yorkshire blend -- not that weak American stuff -- it will be held in the Fourth Circle (for gluttons). Mr.'s Gandhi and Zappa may also be in attendance.  Regrettably, Mr Jefferson will not be able to attend as he does not in fact reside in Hell, finding the weather unsuitable to his hobby of cultivating rare Hibiscus.  He currently resides on a ranch in Malaysia.  We attempted to contact the "InterAmerican Fundamentalist Society" to notify them of their error, but we were unable to find evidence that such a group actually exists, let alone verify that they published this list. We did locate a list compiled by the "Society for a Fundamental InterAmerica" of those persons currently residing in Hoboken, New Jersey, but we suspect this is not the publication in question.
 * Thank you,
 * ~CS 06:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sad to say that you will have to inform Mr. Twain that I will be unable to attend, as I'm considered Persona non grata in all of Lord Lucifer's realms due to having tricked the Prince of Darkness into granting me an unlimited amount of money and women in exchange for the soul of Pope John XX. However, if Pastor Martin puts in good word for me, I may yet fulfill my life-long dream of having Mr. Zappa's song Let's Make the Water Turn Black explained to me by its author. --Ace ETP 18:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Doc Magnus
I've reverted your removal of Doc Magnus. IN the pre IC world, Magnus was the human inventor of the responsometer, which copied human mind patterns (or some such, it basically downloaded a perosn's persona and such into it's computer parts.) It was a sphere within the various Metal Men. After the death of his brother, whose mind was in Gold, Doc began to build a tougher Metal Man, named for some DC faked up metal, Viridian (note the paly on the name of the green color). At some point in that, there was an attempted theft, and the metal men downloaded Doc as he lay dying into a blank responsometer, and put him into Viridian. Post IC, Doc is human again, as a result of the time flux caused by Superboy-Prime. (See 52, I won't spoil anything you don't already know from your reading. Unless you ask me to.) As such, I've reverted. Itmight actually belong in a different subsection, but this is more than Cliff Steel's brain being dropping into a new chassis, it's a fundamental reversion of continuity. Hope this helps. ThuranX 21:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * ThuranX, Doc Magnus of the Metal Men wasn't the person who was listed as having died and subsequently removed from the list by me. It was Doc of the OMEGA Men, a robot which can (and has) been rebuilt more than one time. In other words, he can't "die" in any sense, much like Amazo or the Metal Men. --Ace ETP 21:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * OOOPS. My mistake. (He's not a robot either, though. WHen he was killed, that thing that slashed him open was dripping blood. He wore a suit with technological enhancements, but was an organic, not a robot. ThuranX 21:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Seeing how he was brought back without an explanation, I just assumed his organic-looking characteristics had to do with being an advanced type of android, such as the Terminator. In any case, I don't think that Adam Strange mini was an IC tie-in. --Ace ETP 21:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It was. In Adam Strange, we saw the Thanagarian Death cultists of Onimarr Synn set up for the destruction of Rann so Thanagar could conquer it, and the reversal of the attack, resulting in the teleporting of Rann into Thanagarian space, setting offthe war. ThuranX 21:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Batman and Batmanytb.com
We're discussing it on the talk page, and while I think Beyond is being a bit over-touchy about it, it may help if you chime in and said 'Yes I read this.' so he could stop acting all drama llama :) Thanks for the good edits. -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 02:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I will try to contribute to the discussion later today or tomorrow. And thank you for the comment about my edits. Yours are predominantly great. --Ace ETP 04:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Iraq/George W Bush
You ask why is Australia more notable than other countries of the coalition? Does Azerbaijan have the same special relation that Australia and the UK shares with the USA? The military/security alliance between these three is unmatched by any other military/security pact. When concerning Iraq Bush seeks opinion and direction from two people, Tony Blair and John Howard, not from the President of Mongolia.
 * OK, just make sure you cite a reliable secondary source when you add that kind of stuff. --Ace ETP 04:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Exposition to a Green Lantern ring
I'm surprised you reverted this line in Batman, saying it was inconsequential. In fact, 1994's Batman: The Nature of Everything was a major turning point at DC Comics. 12 issues of nothing but Batman seated in front of a Green Lantern ring, explaining his personal take on the nature of Western philosophy. Fantastic stuff -- I highly recommend tracking it down. ~CS 21:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, CS, I had to pass on buying Batman: The Nature of Everything when it was originally released. In 1994, I was too busy saving money for the purchase of multiple copies of the Jim Lee's "1 per million" gold-drenched variant cover edition of Gen 13 Swimsuit Special (vol. 14) #1 - with Kevlar trading cards! (which also had a drop of J. Scott Campbell's blood mixed in the ink every 100 copies). Though I originally planned on using the money obtained from selling the issues to buy Microsoft, apparently it'll be just enough for a copy of The Nature of Everything trade paperback. --Ace ETP 03:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Batman
Why, exactly, is that paragraph an appropriate ending for the section? It reads like Wikipedia is including a disclaimer, something along the lines of "The views above do not represent those of DC Comics or its affiliates and are purely the product of noncanonical interpretations." I actually wondered, for a second, if Wikimedia had been threatened with a lawsuit if we didn't include such, but decided that that would be patently absurd (WP:OFFICE completely aside.) Wikipedia is a neutral source, and I feel that we would be far more neutral (and express the same point, which is that gay readings of Batman are not at all intended by the writers) by ending with the quote from that one writer about how no one (except possibly Shumacher) has ever written him gay. Suntiger 01:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that it reads a little bit like a disclaimer, but I also think that Alan Grant's statement is not enough to make it clear that no one has ever written him as a homosexual character, specially when the statement is followed by Devin Grayson's somewhat ambivalent opinion. I think that at least something resembling first sentence of the paragraph you removed (i.e.: "Batman creators have predominantly written him as a heterosexual individual") should remain in the article. --Ace ETP 04:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Links
Darknight.ca has been somewhat agreed upon on the talk page as being 'okay.' :) Please check it out before you revert again. We've been discussing this off and on for a little while. -- Ipstenu ( talk | contribs ) 00:20, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry I didn't check. Won't happen again. --Ace ETP 00:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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history of dc comics timeline
another user already delete timline another day. I writing my own words. last Feb 2007 I paste and copy in Wiki I knew I did it all wrong, I decide I leave blank and Wiki bring back Timeline page Wiki won't let me page blank. I should have told them about paste and Copy.Thethunderstrike04 00:45, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

DC Bolding
I'm taking the liberty of bolding the current teams that DC Characters are in, since the long affiliation list might be confusing to some. Please do not revert. --CmdrClow 08:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Has anyone said they've found the lists confusing? If not, then what is the purpose of the bolding? As illustrated by another user in the Superman history page, Manual of Style (writing about fiction) guidelines state that ALL works of fiction (not just recently published ones) should be treated as occuring in the present. With members WikiProject:Comics having decided to remove the "Current status" field in Template:superherobox in the past, it's very unlikely they will agree with the bolding of "current" team affiliations. --Ace ETP 17:20, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

How can it be DC greater if seeling less copies since years?
I had no doubt that, before or later, a guy having all DC entries in his talk page would revert that addition. Do you think are you objective? Why didn't you reply as I did in the talk page? My source is updated at August 2007, and is third-party. Don't you think it's more reliable? Ciao and good work. --Attilios 09:49, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Please see Talk:DC Comics for my opinion. I do not care for you accusing me of being biased simply because of having a large volume of my edits in DC articles. I would have appreciated it you'd bothered to check exactly what my DC edits consisted of before presenting an argument on why am I supposedly subjective. By that twisted logic, all your edits to Elisa Toffoli-related articles must be labeled subjective and reverted, seeing how you've done so many. --Ace ETP 19:28, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Superman
Couldn't help but notice that you removed a hatnote from the article. Since you didn't explain in your edit summary, can I ask why you did this? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:26, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I did it because it is highly unlikely anyone looking for an article on the Earth-Two Superman will search for the term "Kal-El". Knowledge of the E-2 Supes implies knowledge on the spelling difference. And even if it didn't, a mention of the Earth-Two Superman in a hatnote at the beggining of the article might be perceived as tantamount to expressing agreement with the Roy Thomas-style incorrect appraisal of the character as the "original Superman". --Ace ETP 23:45, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

your recent JLA edits
I think your recent edits to the redirects of the JLA film are too premature. This film is in the very early development stages, and there's still a chance it wont get made. I wouldn't mind, but now whenever I type "JLA movie" into the search field, I just get redirected to top of the JLA article. I then have to search the article to find out about any JLA movie, at least in the old way people would just get redirected to the pilot article which then has the line "This article is not to be confused with the upcoming Justice League film." right at the very top (which then redirects them to the relevant sub-header in the JLA article)

Also the pilot was not a TV program, it was never broadcast, it's more of a TV movie. I'm gonna start reverting some of changes, I'd appreciate ur help in doing so. I think our main objective should be; "when someone types JLA film in the search bar they get redirected to the relevant paragraph on the JLA article" Ryan4314 10:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Photo an Animal article
Your rationale for removing the photo (oversampling of chordates) really doesn't make sense. The lead photo doesn't need to have a representation of the animal kingdom by population, but needs to clarify diversity. Both photos have a completely disproportionate number of bilateral animals as well. Equally as confusing is the comments "less clutter, more clear". If less clutter is desirable, perhaps we should post a photo of a single animal. Of course, that takes away from the purpose of the photo. I can't understand "more clear" so I can't really comment on it.

If you feel that the other photo truly is appropriate, I would appreciate it if you came to the talk page and made your case so a consensus can be formed.  Justin  chat 10:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

User talk:142.21.15.115 and False Gods
I don't think it's fair to call this vandalism, obviously the person just wanted to help because she didn't find what she expected when typing "false gods". The only thing she was lacking was the technical knowledge of how to disambiguate without negatively impacting the original article. So I added a proper disambiguation link... --Sgt. Salt (talk) 16:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, there's a chance was a good faith behind that person's contributions, but my major issue with his edits wasn't his inability to disambiguate properly, but his blatant pseudo-Christian anti-pornography POV. Sometimes it's quite hard to tell fundamentalist Christian Wikipedia vandalism apart from legitimate (but unsuccesful) attempts to contribute to an article inserting an allegedly Christian perspective. --Ace ETP (talk) 22:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Batman
If you don't think Batman has a very strong determination, you don't know the character very well.200.255.166.197 (talk) 23:59, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Did I ever say that Batman doesn't have strong determination? I just said that it was a POV matter. And the article can't assert he has "incredible determination" without citing a verifiable source on the subject. --Ace ETP (talk) 00:05, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Respect Thread Conversions
I'm looking for folks to help convert Respect Threads to wiki formatting on Project Fanboy: WikiFans. Respect Threads, showcase scans of feats performed by comic book characters and have gained an audience on several comic book message boards. A few other wiki editors and myself are trying to convert them from the unprofessional look of a bunch of posts on a message board to the formatting common with WikiMedia wiki's. To view an example of what we're doing, here is a link to Respect Silver Surfer.

I was wondering if you might have time to contribute your comic book knowledge and/or scans of comic book characters performing feats, and help us out with our Respect Articles project?Millennium Cowboy (talk) 01:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Use of "mainstream"
The hatlinks at Batman and Superman looked incomplete, hence, "mainstream" was applied (used Superman (Earth-Two) as a precedent, but don't change the hat there just yet). Would you prefer "common" or "popular" or another adjective? Please reply on your talk page, as I have watchlisted this page. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * First let me apologize if I'm not able to reply to your comments on this matter speedily after this post, since I'm likely to be constantly busy from a few hours from now until Saturday afternoon. My argument for reverting your addition of the word "mainstream" to the entries was that there is no need for the hatnotes to provide more disambiguation than they currently do. Hatnotes work better when, out of the articles already linked from the disambiguation page, they only link those which could conceivably been what the casual user was looking for when he wrote the article's name and clicked "Go". It's not likely anyone looking for an article on the Kingdom Come Superman, for example, will expect to find an article exclusively about him after searching simply for the term "Superman". What he might try to do is look in the Superman disambiguation page or search for the relevant sections in the Superman and Kingdom Come articles (while a user already familiar with Wikipedia would probably search to see if an article titled "Superman (Kingdom Come)" already exists or not). Batman (Earth-Two) is derivative from Batman the same way Batmobile or List of Batman comics are. They were all split off because of Featured article standards and size concerns, and none of them should be alluded to more prominently, specially not just because one happens to be a Batman proxy character. Superman (Earth-Two) presumably has the hatnote linking to the mainstream Superman since "Kal-L" used to be the standard spelling of Kal-El, and it's probably still a common typo. If the "Batman (Earth-Two)" has a similar hatnote linking to the Batman article, it should be removed. Finally, while no one doubts that it's Superman and Batman, the DC characters, are those who deserve the undisambiguated namespace, many people could argue that Batman, Turkey, Batman (army), Nietzsche's Superman or the concept of a Superhuman are more notable alternative meanings for the word "Batman" and "Superman" than alternate universe and legacy versions of the superheroes, and thus more deserving of a hatnote. --Ace ETP (talk) 00:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * To make a long story short, you think the inclusion of "mainstream" is POV? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 07:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a valid way of putting it. In conclusion, it is my contention that the Superman and Batman articles are not about the "mainstream" versions of the characters (which arguably have only existed for a few years). Saying so might suggest that the articles are a biography of the version of the character curretly published. But they're not. They're about the characters and their cultural impact. And the "non-mainstream" versions of the characters are part of that (as evidenced by references to The Dark Knight Returns or The Reign of the Super-Man, with the former being a story which could be described as VERY mainstream). Nothing should indicate otherwise. --Ace ETP (talk) 17:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Batman edits
We should probably talk about this in discussion, as edit summaries rarely (if ever) resolve differences of editorial opinion. If you ant, I will meet you in the article discussion page. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  19:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have left an inquiry here. How many sources are there? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Presidents of the United States
Would you like to co-nominate the page at WP:FLC? One of the main issues at the FLRC was that it was unsourced and the introduction wasn't up to scratch. I have spent the weekend gathering references for each president and have added them into the article this morning. The Lede was rewritten during the FLRC, so I think all the issues have now been resolved. There isn't much more than can be done to the list. Let me know if you want to. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 20:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to co-nominate the page now that it's in its present state, though I must say that I'm not aware what the process entails other than being a visible sponsor for elevating the article to featured status. And you're right in that there's not much more to be done to the the list now that problems having to with the introduction and sourcing have been resolved. What I've noticed is needed is the addition of a few sentences at the beggining regarding presidential succession (as someone might wrongly assumed all Presidents who have served have gone through the indirect election process already mentioned in the intro), but I'm not sure I can source it properly. In any case, looking forward to getting the list back to featured status. --Ace ETP (talk) 22:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

George W. Bush portrait
Please stop undoing the George W. Bush portrait on List of Presidents of the United States. As I put on the discussion page, that is the correct George W. Bush portrait. That is his official White House portrait.Yezn0r (talk) 10:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Spider-Man
Hello. :) Since you have been involved in editing the article Spider-Man, I wanted to let you know that we have nominated the article for "Good Article" status. You can view the review page, and if there is anything you can do to make the article better, please do so. :) There are a number of concerns to be addressed and some work to be done, so pitch in if you are able, make any suggestions that you think might be helpful, or at least just be there for moral support. :) BOZ (talk) 00:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Comics
Hey - it's that time again. I have to ask, out of curiousity are you still an active member of the WikiProject Comics? The list is going through a clean-up right now. -- A talk / contribs 16:25, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The thought of againg spending some time trying to improve comics articles had occured to me in the past few days. But I don't think I could find the time to participate much in policy discussions as I did a few times back when I was a more active member. I hope that's not a requirement of any sort, as I wouldn't like to lose membership. --Ace ETP (talk) 18:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Cerdian


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FAR Notification
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