User talk:Achowat/Archive 7

A sporting arena called Bruce
Sorry if the vandalism tag was inappropriate. Had I noticed who the edit was by I would probably have been less likely to press that particular button, but the original addition of it, which was surely a joke, had been raised at the talk page. Kevin McE (talk) 17:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think I saw the Talk Page, went to the most recent revision (which was by an IP actually removing the vandalism) and, probably because of my frustration with IE (work computer, unfortunately) I must have fat-fingered rollback. All is well now, though. Cheers! Achowat (talk) 17:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Blocked from answering questions/ Ronjohn RFA
− Regardless I still should be offered the equal opportunity like everyone else to answer the questions even if it was futile. I want to be treated equally. I wonder how many African-American Wikipedia Administrators exist............. All i want is a fair chance like everyone else even if I fail. If you look at my log you will see that I've created numerous pages and made significant edits. Before my answered were deleted on my RFA page you would've saw that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronjohn (talk • contribs)
 * We can take a look at your contributions and make those decisions, which I always do. In fact, I saw your answers to the questions. I don't see why you're acting so offended by this (or bringing race into it). You need more experience and you need to think of the goal of Wikipedia being a better encyclopedia, not as some game for you to 'win' by getting the mop. Contribute well, get in the proper mindset, and then we can talk about advanced permisssions. Achowat (talk) 17:49, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Like I said I'm pretty there are no black Wikipedian Administrators...--Ron John (talk) 15:37, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, well that's a pretty strong accusation to make. One that I imagine is baseless (meaning there's no way you know that). And, because No User is required to identify by race (and I can only think of a handful that do) it would be almost impossible to check. But my bigger concern is what you think that contention means.
 * Do you, I mean is it possible that you honestly believe that as a black editor you should be promoted to Adminship on that fact alone? I know that my process for !voting does not now nor has ever included an editors Demographics. In fact, I think it's pretty offensive to suggest that a Prevaling Numbers of RfA voters are going out of their way to not promote Black Admins.
 * Is there a systematic bias that leads to more White editors than Black editors? Yes, I believe there is. I believe that is a problem. I believe we should look into it. But to suggest that Black Editors fail RfA because they are Black is a ridiculous statement. As a person of color myself, I've never, not once, felt like my contributions are less valid than a White editor's. Not even once.
 * Your RfA failed because you don't have the experience that RfA !voters expect. Under 1,000 edits is not going to do it. We need a longer record of your contributions before we can trust you with the Tools. And, frankly, thinking that you can pass an RfA with less than 1,000 edits shows a serious lack of clue. I'm being tough on you because I tried parsing words and you you either didn't understand, or "didn't understand", either way I feel bluntness is needed. If I offend you, I sincerely apologize.
 * But it's clear that you have an enthusiasm for the project. It's clear that you want to help. So please, please keep contributing. Read through your Opposition !votes. Use it as an Editor Review. Figure out what you've been doing wrong, and try to fix those behaviors. RfA is an open-book test you can re-take every time you fail, but you need to recognize why you were not promoted, and work on those issues. Cheers! Achowat (talk) 15:58, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I can provide 100% guarantee that we do have black administrators. Not that it matters.  Not that it should matter. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 16:27, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

2002 World Cup @ Bruce Arena
Hello, Achowat. I noticed that you deleted my number of sentences regarding the match between Germany and USA in the 2002 World Cup tournament. I felt that the information about the controversial no-decision on the handball Torsten Frings performed was inciteful and interesting. There is no denying that the ball hit his hand, which prevented a tying goal. Do you feel that someone who wished to read about Arena would not like to read about this incident? It did have a major impact on the U.S.A's tournament run and possibly on Arena's career as the National team manager. I noticed that you wrote "unsourced POV" on the feedback, does that mean I simply need to find a source for the incident? I see you are an experienced editor and I value your feedback and any pointers you could give. I am new to editing and would like to be a reliable contributor.

Wpruitt30 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wpruitt30 (talk • contribs) 03:33, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the first thing that you should realize is that Wikipedia is not a collection of things that are true. It is a collection of things that are verifiable. Essentially, in this case, it's not enough to say it happened; we need to say what reliable source shares your opinion of the 'obvious' handball. I watched the game, I thought it was a handball, too, and I was bullshit about the call.
 * I also feel that adding that line was giving undue weight to the claim. The article should have focused, mainly, on an overview of Arena and his work with the Nats. For instance, the Group Games in total get 3 sentences, including that amazing win over Portugal.
 * I should also mention that "To their credit" is entirely unencyclopedic language (it feels more like editorializing) and feels like an attempt to insert a point of view about the loss. If a number of prominent sources indicate the handball, it might be possible to include it in the article, but I'd be weary.
 * It could be said that, like painting, the biggest skill of writing an encyclopedia is when to stop writing. We are, in fact, judged as much by what we exclude as what we include.
 * But the most important you could possibly take away from this situation is that, frankly, I might not be right. Those sentences might be worth for inclusion. If you disagree with my assessment (and you'd be far from the first to do so), take the issue to the article's talk page. If a consensus of editors agree that that's the best way to handle the article, than that's what we'll do. Achowat (talk) 12:33, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, and you should definitely follow all those blue-links for important Wikipedia policies and guidelines (and maybe a few essays snuck in there). I'd also recommend WP:5P, WP:IAR, and WP:N. If you follow those blue links, and then links on those pages, you'll go deep enough down the rabbit hole to know what all those TLA's mean. (Also, just as important, on all Talk Pages, you should sign your name and leave a timestamp by ending your comments with four tildes ( ~ ); it'll just help everyone else keep track). Achowat (talk) 12:33, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Tudor Rose
What a coincidence that I was preparing a quote from the a historian about the origins of the rose at just the same time as you were asking for a citation! It's a small world. Quote now added. Regards. Tim riley (talk) 14:08, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have responded on your Talk Page. Achowat (talk) 14:10, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm much touched, and I chuckled too! Thank you for the barnstar! Tim riley (talk) 14:13, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

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User:BradTraylor/Battle of Imizu
I see no way that it can be brought up to snuff when another user has clearly pointed out that the content is a hoax. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:29, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for letting me know of the work done by that other editor. I have reconsidered my !vote, as such. Cheers! Achowat (talk) 11:50, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

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 * You're seriously my Template-hero today. Thanks and Cheers! grumble now I've gotta fix it grumblegrumble Achowat (talk) 18:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
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A barnstar for you
Well, thank you very much for the Barnstar. But why not register so that you'll have a name, instead of just a string of numbers? Achowat (talk) 14:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

FYI: Wikipedians in the Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy/Enroll
Just so you know, you created Wikipedians in the Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy/Enroll in article space; I'm assuming you meant to put it in the WP: namespace? I've moved it there, just in case. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 19:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, that can be deleted (my CSD notice was edit conflicted by yours, so I assumed it would be anyway). That was just a problem when a template was created. Go ahead and delete it, per G7. Achowat (talk) 19:27, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, tagged. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 19:32, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Academy Guidelines
I disagree that "we would like to ensure..." should be the rationale for "history of incivility". I think that you should put back the "commitment to cause" box. If you agree, change it back. Didn't want to do it myself without checking with you in case we start to edit war. Dan653 (talk) 21:14, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's any chance of you and I engaging in an edit war; I have a feeling we both respect each other enough not to do that. WP:BRD, man. If I disagree with what you've done, we'll talk it over and figure out the best solution. This project belongs to us all, make it the way you want it to be! Achowat (talk) 22:47, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

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CVU
Hi, have you got any specific guidelines for someone to be an instructor on CVU? I'd like to place my interest in being one. Mr little  irish  16:18, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, I actually just posted a thread trying to get a consensus for what, if any, requirements we should put on instructors. Just follow WT:CVUA and you'll find all my thoughts on the subject. Everything's being done in the open air, there is no cabal, and I am not the GodKing of The Academy. We're going to do everything by consensus, and try to make this a useful tool for new editors. That being said, if I was a GodKing, you'd definitely be one of the first potential instructors I template. Achowat (talk) 16:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The title GodKing is pretty cool. So are you thinking an RFA style process for instructors, where they get appointed after a consensus vote? I know it's down somewhere, but I leave the office in four minutes and might not get back on until tomorrow. Mr  little  irish  16:27, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No no no, nothing like that. Just a list of users who would be willing to help. Some system would be in place to "Watch the Watchmen", at least for an Instructor's first Enrollee or two. But there would be none of the crazy bureacracy, since we're not giving anyone tools or anything, just giving new users a place to go for information on the Counter-vandalism policies. Achowat (talk) 17:05, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah good, that makes a lot of sense. And as I put on the CVUA page, it could get all dramafied and people could potentially leave or try and disrupt the CVU project, and the project as a whole. Anywho, bedtime. I'll drop you a line when I get in the office tomorrow. Mr  little  irish  20:39, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * I'm going to consider this a coupon redeemable for one "Beer on You", that I fully intend to redeem next time I run into you at a bar. (Though, unless you frequent soccer bars in Boston or dive bars in the suburbs of Boston, I'm fine waiting a number of years to redeem said coupon). Achowat (talk) 15:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Get yourself over to my neck of the wood (UK) and I shall get one in for you. :) Mr  little  irish  15:29, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, the UK is a rather big place. I guess I'll just land at Heathrow and start yelling. Achowat (talk) 15:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hur hur, I should be moving to London next month, so Heathrow is a pretty good starting place :D Mr  little  irish  14:58, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

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