User talk:Aciram/Archives/2020/October

Korean stubs
Hallo, While stub-sorting I have noticed a group of recent stubs you have created for Korean royalty which are unreferenced. They include a link to the wikipedia article Doosan Encyclopedia, but that isn't precise enough to be a valid reference for the content. Please slow down and add one or more proper references to each article you create in main space before moving on to the next: if you cannot do so for some reason, please create them as drafts in your user space until they are ready to appear, properly referenced, in the encyclopedia. Thank you. Pam D  22:53, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * And please remember to put the stub tag right at the end, after any categories: see WP:ORDER. Thanks. Pam  D  22:58, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I see. I appologize. However, in this precise case: I create stubs for queens. As far as I have understood, queens are always regarded as relevant for their own articles. The articles have references in the Korean language wikipedia. And I have uncluded translation templates. As far as I have understood, it is fully allowed in Wikipedia to create stubs: no article is ever finnished, and anyone can expand an article when they have information and references. These articles have been relevant to create for many years, and while many would perhaps hesitant to begin, it is easier to expand anarticle when it has been created. The translation template I have in these stubs, give a possibility for any Korean speaker to add both information and references. Normally, I don't create stubs of this kind; but because they are queens, and as such so obviously relevant; and because I leave translation templates which can enable Korean speakers to translate information and references; I have allowed myself to make an exception. But I want not conflict, and will try to find a relevant references despite above. I will also try to remember to add a stub-tag. I meant no harm whatsoever. In my mind, this is a good method to ensure that these articles can be expanded, otherwise they may not have been created at all, as they are relevant enough to have been created years ago. Thank you.--Aciram (talk) 23:05, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Non-existent categories
Hi Aciram

I see tat you have been creating a series of new categories Category:Women's suffrage in China, Category:Women's suffrage in Finland etc. I am unsure whether this is a good idea, for two reasons:


 * 1) Some of these categories seem to fail WP:SMALLCAT.  Five pages is usually regarded as the minimum size to be useful, and some seem to be well-below that.
 * 2) Most of the categories are in a non-existent parent category, contrary to WP:REDNOT.  That's how I spotted them: I cleanup Special:WantedCategories, and also run a custom query (https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/30916) to check new additions, where lots of your creations are listed.

Please can you check that your aren't creating lots of very small categories ... and that any categories which you do create have parent cats which actually exist?

Thanks! -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello. You will notice, that I have created the categories shortly after I created the red links to them. I am very well aware of the danger of creating small categories. Those I created is about women's suffrage, and while they may not always have many article as yet, Wikipedia is never finnished, and more names and articles are created all the time: they are many suffragists left to have articles written about them in the future, and then they are categories ready for them. These are articles which will fill up in time. There should be no concern about that. Thank you. --Aciram (talk) 00:55, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * @Aciram, I am glad that you think the categories can be well-populated. Sadly, women's suffrage is not a well-covered topic, so I have some doubts as to how many new articles will actually be created in the forseeable future.  Categories exist to navigate articles which already exist, and categories which are likely to remain empty for years are no help to navigation.
 * Meanwhile, we still have the immediate problem that most of your new categories have non-existent parent categories. e.g. Category:Women's suffrage in China is parented in two non-existent categories: Category:History of women in China and Category:Electoral reform in China.  Most of the other categories that you have created seem to share this problem, which is why they are flooding the list at https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/30916
 * Please can you fix this error as you go? Otherwise, there will be have to be a team of editors cleaning up after you, and that situation doesn't breed goodwill. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 01:05, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I actually create quite a bit of suffrage articles myself, but I will think more about this in the future. I did not notice some of those red links you point out above: I am sorry. I mostly write articles here, so I'm a little ignorant about these things. I will be more careful. I appologize. I am done with the categories for now anyway. --Aciram (talk) 01:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Great to know that you are writing more articles of suffragists! I was feeling very disillusioned after a piece of extreme folly a few hours ago (which I replied to sarcastically), so it's great to find someone extending en.wp's coverage of a non-fictional topic, esp one about a topic close to my heart. (I created most of the lists relating to Irish women in politics, e.g. women cabinet ministers).
 * But it really would be great if you could sort out those non-existent parent categories. Thanks. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 01:23, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understand. I have written about almost all suffragists and suffrage organisations from Sweden here, as well as many articles from other non-English speaking countries, of which I am proud. I will try!--Aciram (talk) 01:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That's great! I must make some time to read those. I know too little of Scandinavian history, and esp of the processes which led to the development of social democracy on the 20th century, with such string participation by women in the final quarter of of the century.
 * Can you recommend a good starting point? Or a few key people? --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 01:33, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * When it comes to articles here for women's suffrage in Sweden, I would recomend the National Association for Women's Suffrage (Sweden), which was the main suffrage organisation in Sweden; when it comes to women's participation in Swedish Social Democracy, I can recomend the Stockholms Allmänna Kvinnoklubb for a start; and the articles Women in Sweden and Feminism in Sweden about women's history in Sweden; all has a lot of high profile names. --Aciram (talk) 01:42, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Bless you, Aciram. I have bookmarked those, and will make time this week to start my education. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 02:30, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You are welcome! Happy reading!--Aciram (talk) 03:49, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Venezulean suffragists


A tag has been placed on Category:Venezulean suffragists requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

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Need to get in contact
I'm chair of Wikimedia Sverige and would like to get in contact with you regarding a topic. Could you send me an e-mail to mattias.blomgren(at)wikimedia.se? I will then respond to it.--Historiker (talk) 19:44, 26 October 2020 (UTC)