User talk:Aciram/Archives/2021/June

Category:17th-century English merchants has been nominated for merging
Category:17th-century English merchants has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 23:05, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Marie-Madeleine Lachenais
" a "politician" can be anyone who seeks to achieve political power in the government". Categorisation should go from the article. If the article says she is a politician, then she is a politician. Rathfelder (talk) 23:05, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There has been a lot of people in history who has been politicians in practice and thus de facto: they have been lovers and mistresses and such to actual politicians and thus influenced government, but they had no formal political power. Madame de Pompadour, for example, was indeed a de facto politician. Should she, and all other such people, be categorized as politicians? They had no formal position. It would be very risky, and could potentially create chaos in the categorization system. Particularly since informal matters could be hard to determine and define for a historians, and there are often conflicting views regarding if someone was indeed influential or not. In some cases, the real monarch did not rule, and he/she had a royal favorite who ruled instead: should this favorite be categorized as a monarch, because they were, in reality, even though they weren't formally? Should for example Louise Élisabeth of France be categorized as the real ruler of Parma (because she was) even if her husband was formally the ruler (because he was)? This was also prior to the modern parlamentary system. As a woman, she could never have achieved any formal political post in 19th-century Haiti. While I mainly speak of people in history rather than of the modern political system, the wikipedia system normally stick to formalities and must be consistent. If we don't follow formal definitions, this can create enormous problems. I really suggest you ask wikipedia before trying to categorize people after de facto principles. It creates numerous problems. --Aciram (talk) 23:14, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Categorisation follows the article content. If there is disagreement about whether she counts as a politician the articles is the place for the argument, not the categorisation. Rathfelder (talk) 11:13, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You do not appear to understand what I have written above. Its not as simple as that. Politician is a profession. Categories should follow formality. They should not follow informality. If someone was politically influential, they were a de facto politician. This is true, and because it is the thruth, it should be correctly mentioned in the article. A de facto politican is not the same thing as a real de jure politician. Because of that, she can't be mentioned as such. I can't, and don't have the energy, to explain that further. It should be very clear. I strongly suggest you take up this issue with Wikipedia. Many members of Wikipedia would agree with me that it is far from as simple as you claim, and they will agree with me what chaos your method would create, even if you do not understand what I am trying to say. Your method creates numerous problems, and you can't just ignore them by the simplification you state above. Perhaps it is due to a strong focus on the modern times. You ignore what I say, and because of that, I can't continue this discussion. So; please take this issue up with wikipedia. To finnish this particular discussion about Lachenais, I can rephrase the article, so it says the same thing, but with different words. --Aciram (talk) 13:14, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Henriette de Robespierre
I've redirected it to Maximilien de Robespierre. Her brothers and sister were devoted revolutionaries until their deaths, but she had political ideas or not? Can you help me to find it and write in my talk page? Thank you. --Trottapiano (talk) 11:36, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Henriette Eulalie Françoise de Robespierre (1761-1780) joined the same convent boarding school as her elder sister Charlotte in 1773, when she was twelve. She never left the convent, and died there at the age of nineteen. She likely had no political views when she entered the convent school as a twelve-year old, and she is not likely to have aquired any political views in the convent. Convent schools did not teach their student much more than prayers, embroidery and etiquette and how to be wives and mothers. Her sister Charlotte herself certainly did not aquire her own radical political views until after she left the convent in 1781, and started living with her brothers. There is not much information about Henriette in history whatsoever, and she is only mentioned in books very briefly as "the youngest sister of Maximilien de Robespierre who died young"; Charlotte claims that Henriette's death affected Maximilien deeply, but since he did not know Henriette (the sisters had barely met their brothers since they were orphaned), Charlotte is likely to have meant that she herself was deeply injured by Henriettes death. As far as we now, Henriette had no political opinions whatsoever: she was not suppose to have any, and the convent school, were she spent almost her entire life, did not allow their students to have such views. Her elder sister Charlotte was not suppose to have any views either, and she did not become politically involved until after she left the convent. It is not likely you will find much information about Henriette at all, especially not about any political views. Most likely, she was a conventional convent school girl, nothing more or less, who died before she was allowed to leave the convent and have the chance to form any opinions of her own. --Aciram (talk) 23:16, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Is she dead in Tournai? What was the death's cause? Is she catholic? And where is she buried? Unlike Charlotte, Maximilien never forgive their father's abandon, but Henriette and Augustin? --Trottapiano (talk) 06:33, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * She died in the convent which was in Tournai. I don't know the death cause, it could be anything, this was a time period before modern medical science so people could basically die of a cold. Of course she was Catholic if her family was, and as far as I know they were before the revolution. The nuns would not likely have accepted non-Catholics. Henriette would have been buried either in a family grave if there was one, or in the convent's cemetary, which is the most probable. It is impossible to know what Henriette thought about her father; Henriette is only mentioned in Charlotte's memoirs, and even she mentions her only briefly. Henriette probably had no memory of her father, since she was so young. I have no idea about Augustin but you can Google him - there is a lot of information about his views anywhere, since he was a notable person, unlike Henriette. --Aciram (talk) 13:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * She had entered the convent in 1773 only thanks to the intercession of the Brussels court. Can you see if there is information about her possible relations with the rulers of the Austrian Netherlands? Furthermore she was buried in Arras, then can you find in what cemetery? Thank you. --Trottapiano (talk) 07:58, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No. I'm sorry, I answered out of politeness, there simply isn't much about Henriette, she was not a notable person. You should make the investigations yourself. Good luck. Thank you. --Aciram (talk) 15:14, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you know if there are paintings about Robespierre's parents, grandfathers, and sister? --Trottapiano (talk) 10:32, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you should use Google. --Aciram (talk) 13:51, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Marechaussee
Please, can you find for me a site with the complete list of commanders of the Marechaussee, the Paris police until 1791? Thank you. --Trottapiano (talk) 10:30, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No, please ask someone else, or find it yourself. Thank you. --Aciram (talk) 13:50, 20 June 2021 (UTC)