User talk:Aciram/Archives/2023/March

Slavery in Egypt
Hi @Aciram, i saw your at the article and it looks like a copyright violation from here. Can you explain this? Thanks 1AmNobody24 (talk) 19:04, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Copywright? I did rephrase the wording, and gave the proper reference. I will rephrase it even further then. Thanks--Aciram (talk) 19:32, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Reworded the information. If it needs to be reworded even further, I can of course do that, otherwise it is open to anyone, even you, to reword. After all, it is allowed to use the information from the references you give. The only difference in using information legitimately, and copywright, is, essentially, how much you rephrase the information. I hope my rephrasing this time was sufficient, otherwise me, or anyone, can rephrase it further. --Aciram (talk) 19:40, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd say looks fine now, but be aware that there are tools like CopyPatrol that are quite good at finding parts copied from books or sources. So be sure to always reword it before saving the edit or it might be pickud up by it. 1AmNobody24 (talk) 19:45, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip!--Aciram (talk) 19:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Year of death of Charlotte Eleonora De Geer
Hi, I have read different printed texts about Charlotte Eleonora De Geer, wife of Hans Henric von Essen (1755-1824) whose Wikipedia article probably is the only one mentioning her. In the Swedish (and Estonian) versions of his article, the wife's year of death is 1791, the same as in a book about women in the De Geer family ("Mödrar och döttrar på Leufsta bruk", by Margareta Lundquist, ISBN 91-976117-0-0). However, as far as I can see, you made an update in the English version where her year of death is given as 1798, which happens to be the same year as in the diary (part II) of the duchess/queen Hedvig Elisabeth Charlotta - edited by Carl Carlson Bonde and Cecilia af Klercker, and regarded as one of the best sources of Swedish court life during the 18th and 19th centuries. (The year 1798 also found its way to the Greek and the Italian versions of the Wikipedia article about von Essen, but I guess they copied it from the English version.) Both the printed sources are quite reliable, but they give different years of death for her. I can't really find out what's correct; may I ask where you got your information about 1798 as the year of death for Charlotte Eleonora De Geer? Leongut (talk) 12:30, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello. CharlottA Eleonora De Geer died in 1791, not 1798. I don't know where the year 1798 came from, but I assume it must have been a simple typo. Thank you for noticing it. It has been corrected.--Aciram (talk) 13:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the answer! Well, as I mentioned, the year 1798 is given in the famous diary of Hedvig Elisabeth Charlotta, but only in the register of persons, which was likely compiled by the editor(s). Maybe Bonde or af Klercker are the guilty ones.
 * Regarding Charlotte/Charlotta, the name Charlotte is given in "Mödrar och döttrar på Leufsta bruk", but in the register of the diary her name is Charlotta. Another riddle hidden in the shades of history... Leongut (talk) 13:47, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know what to say about the year being in the diary, but I prefer to trust what the majority of sources say, since the diary is old. The name form is simple: the formal Swedish name was CharlottA, but since this was the 18th-century, everything French was fashionable, and the upper class would always informally use the French spelling, even if that was not the formally correct one, so that is not to be taken seriously. At least, that is the common matter in such cases. Even Swedish royalty called themselwes by the French version of their name in private.--Aciram (talk) 13:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yep, I am familiar with the love for everything French, but she is still named Eleonora, not Eléonore. And the source saying Charlotta is the oldest of the ones I have found, while Charlotte is mentioned in the modern book about Leufsta. The fact that the duchess (later queen) spelled her name Hedvig Elisabeth CharlottA might perhaps have influenced her or her biographers. I guess it was a question not only for the owner of a name, but also for the ones writing about them. Leongut (talk) 14:07, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * (My point being, as you said, the spelling is not to be taken overly seriously.) Leongut (talk) 14:11, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The queen did spell her name Charlotte in private, but her official name was Charlotta. But no matter. Have a nice day.--Aciram (talk) 14:20, 20 March 2023 (UTC)