User talk:Acirsa

Acirsa, you are invited to the Teahouse!
Welcome. I saw that you made some changes to the palatal expansion page, they need some references (see WP:MEDRS.  I've also added some information for newcomers below.  Best.   Ian.

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Feel free to drop a note on my talk page if you have any problems. I wish you all the best on your wiki voyages! Ian Furst (talk) 09:38, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: John Mew (August 22)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted because it included copyrighted content, which is not permitted on Wikipedia.

You are welcome to write an article on the subject, but please do not use copyrighted work.


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Dan arndt (talk) 06:16, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

reply
If you havea conflict of interest, you must declare it. Jimfbleak - talk to me?  11:07, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: John Mew (August 22)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Justlettersandnumbers were:

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Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:08, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

John Mew
Hello Acirsa, it appears you've decided to ignore the helpful comments left to you above and created the article directly in mainspace. The problems have not been addressed, the article needs much better sourcing. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:16, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give Draft:John Mew a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into John Mew. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Requests for history merge. Thank you. Acirsa

(talk) 13:58, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Out of my depth here. I didn't know it was possible to create two pages with the same name. Thought I was reworking a draft. Now I need to get someone to merge the two. Help would be gratefully received. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acirsa (talk • contribs) 13:59, 22 August 2019 (UTC)


 * The message at the top of the article is just a request for an administrator to merge the history of the articles, they usually come around and fix it in a day or so. If you did not mean to create the article in mainspace and instead plan to continue working on the draft, you can place at the top of John Mew and then resubmit the draft at a later date. Replying to your message at my talk page, sorry for the assumption, it's just that we get a lot of new editors who create promotional or undersourced articles after having had them declined as drafts and these articles end up never being fixed. Again, sorry. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:06, 22 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Re: Yes Wikipedia is awfully complicated at first, but you do get used to it (slowly ). Feel free to write on my talkpage if you need assistance with anything. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:33, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Re: "Orthotropics" is not fit for inclusion on Wikipedia. The standards we set for medical related content and its sourcing are much stricter than for other areas, see WP:MEDRS. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:25, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Mew
Please don't reinstate badly sourced (WP:BLPPRIMARY) or unsourced material into the article. Please also read WP:MEDRS. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:08, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Þjarkur, Please don't delete work when someone is in the middle of editing to add the information that wikipedia guideline had recommended were needed. Please also refrain from adding pejorative opinions and information about people other than the subject of the page. I thought you were there to help, not to hinder. I am beginning to question whether you are impartial and I would like to know how to raise a complaint about your approach, regard, Acirsa.

Edit warring
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 * Dear IronGargoyle, Thank you for the advice. I am not involved in an edit war, though it is good to hear the terminology, because I certainly feel under attack.  I am trying to create my first page.  I have found an interesting subject, read widely on it, found sources for it and written it carefully.  I did not expect it to be sabotaged, filled with pejorative language and turned into a distorted page of misinformation.  I have no personal vested interest beyond caring about producing a good wikipedia page.  I feel that someone else does want to sabotage it and I am not sure why.  I would like to report this transgression so that I can complete the page I have been working hard to write. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acirsa (talk • contribs) 18:48, 22 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Acirsa, it is apparent that you have a conflict of interest regarding this subject. We are all willing to assist you here in making the article good, but you are continually reinserting material sourced to a WP:BLPPRIMARY. If the British dental associations are critical of his methods, then so is Wikipedia, see WP:QUACKS. I will also post a larger templated note here below containing some links regarding how to manage a conflict of interest, one of which is not directly editing the article, but instead suggesting edits on the talk page. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:12, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, Acirsa. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the COI guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, company, organization or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the request edit template);
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In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:13, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Draft:John Mew concern
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Your draft article, Draft:John Mew


Hello, Acirsa. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "John Mew".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the, , or  code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! Bkissin (talk) 13:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:John Mew


Hello, Acirsa. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "John Mew".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 13:10, 24 November 2020 (UTC)