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The 5 and the IRT White Plains Road Line
What is the pattern of the 5 train on the IRT White Plains Road Line in rush hours? It runs local in the peak direction, and what happens then? Does it run back without passengers using the express track? Vcohen (talk) 10:06, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

P.S. I mean, north from Bronx Park East. Vcohen (talk) 13:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 5 trains on the WPR line during the AM rush; run local from Nereid Ave to East 180th Street then express to Third Ave. In the PM rush it's decided on the fly whether they run local north of East 180th St or express to Gun Hill Rd, then local from there to Nereid Ave. I believe that all trains running on the WPR line north of East 180th Street are put-ins from the yard in the morning and lay-ups to the yard in the afternoon. I don't think any of them operate in the opposite direction. Acps110 (talk • contribs) 22:01, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand, thank you. Vcohen (talk) 22:17, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Park Row (BMT station) infobox
You never answered my second question regarding the proposed infobox for Park Row (BMT station). Are the platforms and tracks correct? And what else should be added to it? DanTD (talk) 18:51, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I don't know how I missed that. Checking now... Acps110 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Answered there. Acps110 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Steve Jobs Cancer Timeline
Can you please explain why you deleted my contribution to Steve Jobs' medical history? You provided no rationale for your "undo" and it appears to violate your own principle of "inclusionism." Sincerely, Mark S. Boguski, M.D., Ph.D. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mboguski (talk • contribs) 14:19, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * My edit summary (diff) was WP:UNDUE, for although it was properly sourced information, it gives undue weight; thus is not written with a neutral point of view. I'm sorry for not getting back to you sooner. Acps110 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Flushing line is the name of the Manhattan trunk line
I know. Exactly like Lexington Avenue line is.

Both the &lt;6&gt; and the &lt;7&gt; run local in Manhattan and have an express segment outside of it.

Why do you think that only one of them is Express? Vcohen (talk) 16:50, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The name of the service is the trunk line in Manhattan. The local or express is what the service does on its trunk line. The &lt;6&gt; runs on the Lexington Ave trunk line and &lt;7&gt; runs on the Flushing trunk line. The &lt;6&gt; switches from the Lexington Ave line to the Pelham line for Bronx service. The Lexington Avenue trunk line doesn't extend into the Bronx, but the Flushing trunk line does extend into Queens.


 * Thus, &lt;6&gt; is called the Lexington Avenue Local and the &lt;7&gt; is called the Flushing Express. This is more clearly displayed by the service pattern section in the 6 article. It is also shown in the MTA's schedules. Acps110 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow. I've understood the logic, thank you. Vcohen (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC).
 * Certainly! Acps110 (talk • contribs) 17:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Excuse me, some sections above there are two my questions staying without your attention. Could you answer them? Vcohen (talk) 17:46, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅, Sorry. Acps110 (talk • contribs) 18:09, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Latest additions to varied NYC subway schedules; specifically dating the schedules.
Are the external links typical of links used after the next schedule updates, or are they changed with each update?

I can see a lot of issues when time delays between updating the article, when the schedules are updated...possibly creating more work than necessary.

Opinions?

--Allamericanbear (talk) 20:49, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The links are always the same. I noticed that the schedules had been updated but the references here had not. Acps110 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Breaks after refs
Please do not remove s (carriage returns) after. They are there for ease of reading in the edit page - and do not add to the length of the article at all when they take the place of a. There have been cases where the diff engine marks entire paragraphs in red - even when only one character is changed - because there are no line breaks and the paragraph becomes too long. You have characterized doing this as cleanup - but it is counter-productive to editing. Also, please take a look at how commas are used (or not) with appositives. --JimWae (talk) 20:21, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

User:PathInteractive
The user that promotes Schott AG is a marketing company. Vcohen (talk) 20:53, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've placed a uw-coi-username notice on their talk page. Acps110 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: NY Subway
Re: Undid revision 461220394 by Level Crossing (talk); 6 and &lt;6&gt; are the same service

I have two objections to this. First, they are not the same service. According to the 6 train timetable, page 3, the (6) is the Lexington Av Local and the &lt;6&gt; is the Pelham Bay Park Express. According to the individual line maps, the (6) is the Lexington Av Local, and the &lt;6&gt; is the Lex Av Local/Pelham Express. In neither case are the two services described as one.

Secondly, there is also the question of consistency. Why are the (6) &lt;6&gt; one service but the (7) &lt;7&gt; two different services?

Level Crossing (talk) 01:57, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * As I said above, the name of the service is the trunk line in Manhattan. The local or express is what the service does on its trunk line. The &lt;6&gt; runs on the Lexington Ave trunk line and &lt;7&gt; runs on the Flushing trunk line. The &lt;6&gt; switches from the Lexington Ave line to the Pelham line for Bronx service. The Lexington Avenue trunk line doesn't extend into the Bronx, but the Flushing trunk line does extend into Queens.


 * Thus, &lt;6&gt; is called the Lexington Avenue Local and the &lt;7&gt; is called the Flushing Express. This is more clearly displayed by the service pattern section in the 6 article.


 * If they were separate services they would have separate schedules and/or a different route number, like the F and V or the J and Z. Also, nowhere do you hear them described with the diamond in announcements, ie "This is a Pelham Bay Park-bound 6 train making express stops in the Bronx, the next stop is..." Acps110 (talk • contribs) 14:43, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Re announcements: In this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y6AwWg4SxE), you can hear the announcement that you said does not exist ("This is a Pelham Bay Park-bound 6 train making express stops in the Bronx"). Since I don't use the Lexington Av Line often, I can't say whether this is unusual or not. But it definitely exists.


 * Secondly, there is still the question of consistency. The MTA site itself describes each service according to its trunk line, except the <6>. The <6> has two co-existing descriptions, Lex Av Local and Pelham Express. For other services, the (4) (5) for example, the differentiating factor is the route number. For the (6) &lt;6&gt;, it is the Pelham Local / Express.


 * Finally, we can look at the Wiki article itself. In the header of the right column, it says:


 * Lexington Av Local


 * Pelham Local and Express


 * (6) &lt;6&gt;


 * IMHO since the 6 is the only diamond service to run express on an outer-boro trunk line, it should be treated as a special case. Level Crossing (talk) 16:47, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What I said was that even the automated announcements don't distinguish between 6 and &lt;6&gt; trains. That video you linked to is the announcement I was referring to. They are not separate services; the trunk line should be the only thing listed in that table. Many other services run express in the outer-boroughs, they don't get their own names either. The &lt;6&gt; train doesn't even operate in the other direction; It becomes a 6 for the return trip. At best, its only "half" a service.


 * The 6 and &lt;6&gt; trains are defined in the section before the table as one being "fully local" and one having "portions of express and local service". They are similarly defined in the List of services &amp; 6 articles. The table is just window dressing, it should be simple. We are writing for the reader, aka the person who knows nothing about the subway. If they want to know more, they can go to the list of services or 6 articles. Acps110 (talk • contribs) 21:06, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Makes sense, thanks. Level Crossing (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

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