User talk:Acroterion/Archive Q1 2023

Happy New Year, Acroterion!


Happy New Year! Acroterion, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

— Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 23:39, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

— Moops  ⋠ T ⋡ 23:39, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

ANI bad block now good block by Girth but a question
Seems a CU block now in effect so I have a question, when Admins block does the technical block of a new user using same IP as a blocked user get listed as a block by the orginal admin? Just wondering if Jp not knowing was because it was automated. Or that I'm wildly wrong in my assumptions. Slywriter (talk) 17:04, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It shows up as an autoblock under the blocking administrator's attribution in the block logs, but the underlying IP is not publicly-logged - that would be checkuser territory., and Jpgordon's a checkuser. I was pretty certain the account was a malicious user in any case, so while maybe coincidental, it amounted to the same outcome, just maybe a little faster than it would otherwise have been with a push from the original block.  Acroterion   (talk)   17:25, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2022).

Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg ComplexRational · Extraordinary Writ
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Stephen
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Andrew Yong · Dbenbenn · DESiegel · GlassCobra · Joe Decker · Nancy · Pathoschild · StuffOfInterest · William Pietri · Wwwwolf · Xdamr

Interface administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Nihiltres



CheckUser changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Moneytrees


 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Ivanvector · SilkTork

Oversighter changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg GeneralNotability · Moneytrees
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Guerillero · SilkTork

Guideline and policy news
 * Speedy deletion criterion A5 (transwikied articles) has been repealed following an unopposed proposal.

Arbitration
 * Following the 2022 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee:, , , , , , ,.
 * The 2021-22 Discretionary Sanctions Review has concluded with many changes to the discretionary sanctions procedure including a change of the name to "contentious topics". The changes are being implemented over the coming month.
 * The arbitration case Stephen has been closed.

Miscellaneous
 * Voting for the Sound Logo has closed and the winner is expected to be announced February to April 2023.
 * Tech tip: You can view information about IP addresses in a centralised location using bullseye which won the Newcomer award in the recent Coolest Tool Awards.

Discuss this newsletter

Subscribe

Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:08, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 201, January 2023
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 19:44, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

ANI incident
Hello Acroterion,

I think Ramos1990's accusatory post should remain as it was originally, as I already answered to his words as they were. Æo (talk) 23:56, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Revdeletion request
Are you willing to do a revdeletion request? A BLP got called a slur. Scorpions13256 (talk) 03:31, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure. Diff?  Acroterion   (talk)   03:33, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Here. Scorpions13256 (talk) 03:34, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Gloria Hemingway's been dead for 22 years, so even though the vandalism is in a BLP, it's not about the BLP. However, I've blocked the silly IP.  Acroterion   (talk)   03:40, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * D'oh. I did not read carefully enough to see that it was actually his sister. Sorry. Scorpions13256 (talk) 03:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem, better to be cautious.  Acroterion   (talk)   03:43, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Defamation at Greg Lansky
This edit has been reverted and final warning given at anon. talk page. More than one ip may be involved. — N eonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 06:14, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * There has been a pattern of Jew-tagging at that article for some time now. I assume there's something elsewhere on the Internet that's been driving them there. I'll continue to watch the page.  Acroterion   (talk)   16:15, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

What do you think of this?
compare to Far-right politics Doug Weller  talk 14:35, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you. I'm probably feeling less than tolerant of nonsense, this is the second example of obnoxious harassment I've encountered today, from people who really need to go take a walk or make a sandwich or something instead, rather than arguing with people on the Internet.  Acroterion   (talk)   03:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I totally understand! Sometimes the internet just isn't worth the headache. Philipnelson99 (talk) 03:57, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * "I'm probably feeling less than tolerant of nonsense" - can you then go and fix the nonsense you and the gang are defending to exist at Southern Federal District? 77.191.245.57 (talk) 03:59, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * You just don't quit, do you? Philipnelson99 (talk) 04:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

January 2023
Hello, I'm ButterCashier. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions&#32;to Adam Schiff have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. ButterCashier (talk) 12:07, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know misclick and browser lag on a tablet in the morning.  Acroterion   (talk)   12:10, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Some help at ANI
Good morning! I was wondering if you could check out a complaint that I raised at ANI. Many thanks. Cpotisch (talk) 13:07, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm about to leave for work, so I won't be able to give it appropriate attention until this evening.  Acroterion   (talk)   13:12, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's resolved with a block. Tails   Wx  00:27, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Sorry about modifying your block
Sorry about the block on that block evading account. Didn't see you had already upgraded the block. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:43, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a spammer/sock - see, blocked earlier today and TP access revoked after they kept on spamming.   Acroterion   (talk)   00:47, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I was pretty sure I recognized that coming across my watchlist earlier today, but I want sure enough to go straight to a block evasion block I'll remember when next they show up. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:50, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries - I think we edit-conflicted.  Acroterion   (talk)   00:51, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2023).

Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Gimmetrow
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Bjelleklang · Bob the Wikipedian · Leithp · WhisperToMe · 100 inactive admins



CheckUser changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg BDD · Bradv · Donald Albury · Maxim · MusikAnimal

Oversighter changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg BDD · Bradv · Donald Albury · Maxim

Guideline and policy news
 * Following an RfC, the administrator policy now requires that prior written consent be gained from the Arbitration Committee to mark a block as only appealable to the committee.
 * Following a community discussion, consensus has been found to impose the extended-confirmed restriction over the topic areas of Armenia and Azerbaijan and Kurds and Kurdistan.

Technical news
 * The Vector 2022 skin has become the default for desktop users of the English Wikipedia.

Arbitration Miscellaneous
 * The arbitration case Armenia-Azerbaijan 3 has been opened and the proposed decision is expected 24 February 2023.
 * In December, the contentious topics procedure was adopted which replaces the former discretionary sanctions system. The contentious topics procedure is now in effect following an initial implementation period. There is a detailed summary of the changes and administrator instructions for the new procedure. The arbitration clerk team are taking suggestions, concerns, and unresolved questions about this new system at their noticeboard.
 * Voting in the 2023 Steward elections will begin on 05 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC) and end on 26 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
 * Voting in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey will begin on 10 February 2023 and end on 24 February 2023. You can submit, discuss and revise proposals until 6 February 2023.
 * Tech tip: Syntax highlighting is available in both the 2011 and 2017 Wikitext editors. It can help make editing paragraphs with many references or complicated templates easier.

Discuss this newsletter

Subscribe

Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:37, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks!
Thank you for that very fast response, Acroterion: obviously this socker is just creating accounts for his vandalism as fast as he can type. A pleasant day to you!   Ravenswing     12:00, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * You’re welcome. I have limited time to research, who do you think is the master?  Acroterion   (talk)   12:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It's obviously referring to this discussion: Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1118, where User:Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava 123 was the sockmaster, with over 37 confirmed sockpuppets (Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava 123), and a definite pattern of creating socks with nonsense strings for names. I don't know if it's feasible to track down the originating IP address and go for a rangeblock, but ... hope this helps a bit!   Ravenswing      12:14, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I expect it's feasible for a CU ro do so, and I'd put in a request.  Acroterion   (talk)   12:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Request for review of draft article Mughal Khel
Dear Editor,

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to kindly request your attention towards my draft article Draft:Mughal Khel, which is about the Mughal Khel subtribe of Yousafzai Pashtuns. I have taken care to provide all necessary references, and it has been two months since I submitted the draft for review.

I would greatly appreciate it if you could take a moment to review my article and provide any feedback or suggestions for improvement. Your attention to this matter would be highly valued and would help to bring the article to its full potential.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Best regards, 14:37, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Isparki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isparki (talk • contribs)

The Bugle: Issue 202, February 2023
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 23:25, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Boeing 747
Hello, why does the status of the Boeing 747 have to be in production. Boeing has decommissioned the Boeing 747 2001:448A:2003:DC78:D594:561A:211:6050 (talk) 01:17, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * They've stopped making them. Hundreds are still flying, and will for years, so they're not "decommissioned." They're just no longer in production.  Acroterion   (talk)   01:18, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Why are (seemingly) so many people not understanding this? These newly built aircraft are going to be used for at least twenty years, probably more. BilCat (talk) 03:50, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, a $100+ million plane is going to do nothing but fly every living minute it can, for a long time. It will be a sad day when they aren’t. I miss 727s, noisy and crew and fuel-intensive as they were, they were elegant.  Acroterion   (talk)   04:10, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I loved the 727s too. I flew on them as a passenger when I was a kid, mainly over the Caribbean. Well-built, so you didn't feel like you might fall out. They weren't all that noisy inside inside unless you were near the back. They also had quite a kick when taking off because of those 3 JT8Ds, so I loved flying in them. To my knowledge, I've never flown in a 747, so I may never get the chance. I flew in plenty of DC-9s/MD-80s and L-1011s, mostly on Eastern/Delta. BilCat (talk)


 * I flew in a Sabena 747-100 from Atlanta to Brussels in 1980, It was my first trip abroad, so I wasn't paying a lot of attention to the airplane. The next year I flew on a nearly empty Pan Am 747-100 from Dulles to JFK, I guess it amounted to a positioning flight, and then on in a different Pan Am 747 to Heathrow. That flight was packed. I can tell you that an overnight flight in a middle seat in the middle section of a full 747, near the toilets, is not something to want to repeat.
 * I flew on a lot of Delta and Eastern 727s during that time in and out of Atlanta. One flight on a TWA L-1011 from Paris CDG to Boston, and then a connecting flight on a TWA 727-100 to DCA (I was paying more attention to the airplanes by then), and another TWA L-1011 a few years later from Paris to Dulles, having flown out on a Pan Am A310. I flew three times on DC-10s - a Sabena flight from Brussels to Atlanta, and two World flights from BWI to Gatwick and back.  Acroterion   (talk)   13:22, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Category:Community centers in Wyoming has been nominated for merging
Category:Community centers in Wyoming has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Closing a discussion
Hey, Acroterion. Are you comfortable closing/hatting this five-year-old discussion in Talk:Clint Hill? It seems like an IP went off the rails with walls of text to where even the SineBot couldn't even keep up. Cheers! -Location (talk) 03:48, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -Location (talk) 04:00, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * If there was ever a candidate for archiving, that's it. I added an archive header so those who just have to read it can find it.  Acroterion   (talk)   04:01, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Bageleditor
FYI, a user that you recently blocked, has returned to making the same deletions over at Bagel, and has also started adding some inappropriate comments on my user talk page. - MrOllie (talk) 21:35, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Blocked for a week for personal attacks. I don't get the business about scrubbing Jewish roots from the article, it's not incompatible with Polish roots, and it's sourced. They're on thin ice.  Acroterion   (talk)   01:16, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

When you have a moment
Hello A. I hope you are well. The same troll who attacked Deepfriedokra a couple days ago hit my talk page as well. If you could remove the edits and summaries that would be great. Thanks for your time and have a nice weekend. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:50, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Current IP range blocked, and all zapped.  Acroterion   (talk)   00:28, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated! Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:23, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Looks like there was another CIA-editing allegation
Hope all is well. The IP that is very likely to be Alexbarbershop made another CIA-censorship allegation on February 15 (see this edit summary) while also editorializing another article. Best, GPL93 (talk) 22:31, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The behavior's the same, but the IP geolocates to the other side of the country from where Alexbarbershop claims to be.  Acroterion   (talk)   00:24, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

BLP Noticeboard
Hi there apparently you believe that my post there was inappropriate. Could you please explain that to me? Elinruby (talk) 23:41, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * No, I misclicked. Sorry about that.  Acroterion   (talk)   23:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Ah thanks. No worries then, stuff happens. Did you put it back? Elinruby (talk) 00:18, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yup, right away. Cooking dinner and waiting for the scripts to all load aren't compatible.  Acroterion   (talk)   00:22, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks ;) Elinruby (talk) 00:30, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2023).

Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg The Wordsmith
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Fuhghettaboutit · Spinningspark (deceased)



CheckUser changes
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Callanecc

Oversighter changes
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg Callanecc

Guideline and policy news
 * Following a request for comment, F10 (useless non-media files) has been deprecated.
 * Following a request for comment, the Portal CSD criteria (P1 (portal subject to CSD as an article) and P2 (underpopulated portal)) have been deprecated.
 * A request for comment is open to discuss making the closing instructions for the requested moves process a guideline.

Technical news
 * The results of the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey have been posted.

Arbitration
 * Remedy 11 ("Request for Comment") of the Conduct in deletion-related editing case has been rescinded.
 * The proposed decision for the Armenia-Azerbaijan 3 case is expected 7 March 2023.
 * A case related to the Holocaust in Poland is expected to be opened soon.

Miscellaneous
 * The 2023 appointees for the Ombuds commission are AGK, Ameisenigel, Bennylin, Daniuu, Emufarmers, Faendalimas, JJMC89, MdsShakil, Minorax and Renvoy as regular members and Zabe as advisory members.
 * Following the 2023 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: Mykola7, Superpes15, and Xaosflux.
 * The Terms of Use update cycle has started, which includes a [p]roposal for better addressing undisclosed paid editing. Feedback is being accepted until 24 April 2023.

Discuss this newsletter

Subscribe

Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:18, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Discussion on the wording of 3RR
Hi. Can you offer your thoughts regarding the question I asked here? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 02:54, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Wjemather
Wjemather has been unnecessarily undoing good edits from editors (myself and others ) for three years now. Editors have tried reasoning with that person over time, but that person does not want to listen. Several people in private chats have expressed their frustration with that person, simply because they don't know where else to turn to talk of their frustration.

That person's behaviour has not only been unproked, unneeded undoings of valid edits that no one else has ever had a problem with, but hypocritical also; the list is long of the times that that person would spitefully undo the very same type of edits that they themself have done before, throwing logic out the window. In other words, it's okay for themself, but not for others.

One other behaviour that makes that person unreasonable is making things up on the spot: An editor will do a good edit in the traditional way, but then this person in question will undo the edit with the excuse (paraphrasing), "Just because this is the traditional way is not an excuse to keep doing it that way.".

Trying to reason with that person has failed for years with many who have tried.

I've been editing on Wikipedia since 2007 and had never had any real problems from an editor until that one. I've been doing the same type of edits in the same way since the beginning, and in early 2020 that person came along and decided to be the first to take their own personal feelings and force feed them onto the Wikipedia community with uncalled for retractions that no one else had ever had a problem with. Nitpicking at every single turn, unJusifiably.

Most of that person's edits are undoings,, not additions, meaning the main purpose that person has had over the last three years has been to unneededly undo other people's edits, even when having to make up a reason to do so.

Simply to spite me, that person went and undid a good edit of mine on a page concerning a topic that they no absolutely nothing about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2022_State_of_the_Union_Address&type=revision&diff=1063538815&oldid=1063093800

Also last year, that person went back on a previously agreed upon standard for preparing the WGC MATCH Play page, one in which that person had willingly agreed to the year before:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2022_WGC-Dell_Technologies_Match_Play&diff=1079435859&oldid=1079434098

It gets worse, you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't; If you do an edit one particular way, that person undoes it and criticizes you, but then if you do the edit the opposite way, that person still undoes it and criticizes you.

I would have to go and do weeks' worth of finding and citing all the examples of that person's gross, uncalled for undoings. For now, I will show a few recent examples of the kinds of edits that no one else ever had a a problem with, but this person is hell bent on interfering with anyway:

Undoing a perfectly good preparation that is done each week on the PGA Tour, for no reason ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Masters_Tournament&type=revision&diff=1141795948&oldid=1141795855

Undoing more preparation that is done as a normal thing in Wikipedia, for no reason ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AThe_Masters_champions&type=revision&diff=1141796145&oldid=1141796054

And those are only two examples of a half a dozen interference type of undoings in the last 24 hours. It takes time and trouble to go and post these here, so I'll stop there for now.

Other times, that person will try to get a page deleted, because in their OPINION the page was made "too early", something of which no one else has ever been known to complain about in recent years. There are links to show proof of this.

After three years of constant interference of spiteful, uncalled for undoings, we will not tolerate it any longer. I have been on here for sixteen years without serious trouble for 13 of them. Over the last three years, this constant hypocritical and unneeded interference won't be tolerated. Even the simple act of letting that person know, they lash back as if you are wronging them in some way, playing the victim.

Since no one has been able to get through to them because of their unreasonableness, we hope maybe you could have a chat with them to see if you can get through. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 03:20, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Can you give me some examples of actual communication between the two of you? Positive or negative? I'm concerned at the way you're attributing motives that aren't apparent in the diffs. Have you tried asking why they disagree, and how you might find common ground? You are both experienced, productive long-term editors.  Acroterion   (talk)   03:45, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Paraguay article and the user Preposacion
Hello, there is a single purpose account called Preposacion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Preposacion) that has been trying to use the Paraguay page as a leftist political platform for several months, writing an ideological text, clearly biased, attacking multinational grain plantation companies, using unreliable or low reliability sources. I took the partial text out of it and put in a neutral one that was already on the page before, but it will come back and vandalize again. The strangest thing is that this account went straight to complain to a socialist admin a few months ago, as if he knew the person, that is, this account is very suspicious. I think this account should be screened, as it appears to be someone previously banned and using a new account, or something like that, as it demonstrates an experience that new accounts don't have. I ask that you block this IP from this account indefinitely so that he can stop using the Wikipedia platform improperly. Thanks.177.132.25.55 (talk) 17:47, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't see any post Preposacion made to any user's Talk page, let alone to that of a "socialist admin". OTOH, I suspect the IP is evading 's block.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:02, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Everyone outside Wikipedia complains about socialist partialism here, you should be concerned about that and not inventing that everyone who complains is IP evasion to simply block it. You post from Cuba to think like that, by any chance? Your partialism is very blatant, my friend. It's very easy to to that, easy. What the h-ll is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=prev&oldid=1132451812  ????? The sources used by this guy have no neutrality. Pay attention to the facts. An account with 5 posts knows how to complain to an administrator privately, how amazing!! How this guy finded the administrator here, by magic? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vif12vf&diff=prev&oldid=1129538005  ?? Serious? His IQ must be alien. 177.132.25.55 (talk) 18:05, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I missed the post to Vif12vf's Talk page - they are not an admin, though, and your nonsense about socialism, bias, etc., the usual, is not helpful. I've blocked you for a week for a combination of reasons.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:41, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Bbb23, congratulations on your apparent relocation to sunny Cuba. Enjoy the weather, at least until hurricane season. And I endorse the IP's block.  Acroterion   (talk)   22:05, 8 March 2023 (UTC)6

The Bugle: Issue 203, March 2023
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 21:28, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Lee Hall Depot
Hey! I interacted with you several months ago (my IP has changed since then; it used to be 108.48.97.70) over adding an architecture section to the page Lee Hall Depot. Since then, I have found what I think is a contract proposal from PMA Architecture, the company that worked on restoring the building. Here's the link; https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=4062542814a8fe2184c5694de26504b94a405129. Now, to me this seems like it could have useful information in it; the problem is that I don't really understand how to read through this kind of stuff (and its also hundreds of pages long). I wanted to ask you about it, because its pretty much useless to me at this time. Thank you and have a good day! 108.51.193.155 (talk) 02:16, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Boy does that look familiar - I've written hundreds of specs like that. However, for Wikipedia purposes, it's way too far down in the weeds, and it's a primary source. The encyclopedia article really doesn't need to state the types of payment and change order procedures, sealants, sprinklers or door hardware. It's just a pretty routine Masterspec project manual for a construction project (not a project proposal exactly, these are the technical specifications for the contractor to follow). While it's totally familiar to me as an architect, I wouldn't use it unless I was writing a monograph on the topic, and only sparingly even then.  Acroterion   (talk)   03:15, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * To expand a little, such a document would be valuable for an archive, where someone doing in-depth research would find it interesting. However, few specs end up describing the work that was actually done in every detail. They normally allow equivalent substitutions, there are change orders or supplemental instructions, or something simply gets changed in the field. Access to the contractor's submittals and shop drawings to the architect and as-built drawings and specs may confirm those events, but even those aren't wholly reliable. In any case, all that is beyond the scope of a summary-style encyclopedia article.  Acroterion   (talk)   13:25, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I see. Do you think it might be useful if be linked in the External Sources section? 108.51.193.155 (talk) 14:38, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a bit specialized and is a little outside the normal scope of WP:EL, but I see no harm. Even better, if you can find a link to the construction plans that would have had to accompany the specs, those would probably be more illuminating to researchers.  Acroterion   (talk)   15:19, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * So, if I were to add it to the EL section, how should it be named (I obviously can't just post the raw link). Also, as I'm an IP editor and can not do it myself, when you have the time could you run the Citation Bot on the page? The references have gotten rather messy. 108.51.193.155 (talk) 17:56, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You would use this kind of format: Restoration specification. However, I am unenthusiastic about adding a purely technical document, as opposed to a general reference link that would be more in the spirit of WP:EL. In any case, I encourage you to register an account so you can do more.  Acroterion   (talk)   02:35, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Alberg 30
Good morning! I noticed you just installed permanent semi-protection for Boeing 747 due to ongoing nonconstructive IP editing. I was wondering if you would consider the same for Alberg 30? This article has been the target of very persistent IP vandalism for many years. In the past it has been protected for periods of time, but as soon as the protection expires the vandalism starts all over again. I think permanent semi-protection might just stop it. - Ahunt (talk) 13:09, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I protected 747 for a year again, but it will probably end up permanently semi-protected. The Alberg edits seem to be coming from a couple of very small ranges, and I think a long partial rangeblock might be better. There are several sailboat articles that are being targeted from those ranges. I'll take a look around this evening when I have time and the wits to figure out a block structure.  Acroterion   (talk)   13:18, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for any solution you can devise! Just looking at the full article history it seems that the IPs are from several different ranges, all assigned to one ISP, though. - Ahunt (talk) 13:43, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I've blocked two ranges: 142.51.240.0/21 and 142.51.192.0/19  from several sailboat-related topics, for three years. Undoubtedly they'll find others to edit, but you (and I) should be able to see them by checking those contribution ranges. Full blocks would inflict too much collateral damage, even though the ranges are relatively small at 2048 and 8192 addresses.    Acroterion   (talk)   01:57, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Super, thanks for that. I'll drop you a note if things erupt again. - Ahunt (talk) 02:35, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Indef/TPA
Hi Acroterion. Sorry to drag you into a situation, but I see you're currently active. I left a message for about a problem user that he indef'd for a particular article, but Black Kite doesn't seem to be around at the moment. Now this user is engaging in on their user talk page; a quick look at the edit history will show you everything. I think they need to be indef'd sooner rather than later. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 13:36, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks like they've been advised of their right to vanish, and have stopped.  Acroterion   (talk)   17:33, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hopefully that's the end of it. I left an update for Black Kite as well. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:48, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Kerry Committee
If you have no objections, would you be able to move Kerry Committee report to Kerry Committee? I have reformatted the article to be more in line with Church Committee. If you think this needs further discussion elsewhere, let me know! Thanks! -Location (talk) 00:34, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Neither one of those titles is protected - is there something that is preventing you from doing it?  Acroterion   (talk)   00:38, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't think I could move over an established redirect. I will give it a go. Thanks! -Location (talk) 00:40, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure you can - give it a try.  Acroterion   (talk)   00:43, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It worked! I guess I'm still pretty new here. Cheers! -Location (talk) 01:09, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Or pretty old - I think it was an adjustment to cut down on the number of administrative move requests, and hasn't always been that way.  Acroterion   (talk)   01:10, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Disruptive User
I've noticed disruptive blatantly POV edits from User:Jadamondo. Examples [1 ], [2 ], [3 ].

I've reported this to WP:AIV, but I'm not sure if I did this right or if that was the right place as I've never reported anyone before. In any case I thought I would also advise you |as I saw you've been involved with this user before. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 06:31, 21 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Actually I can provide citations and news articles if you would like? You are a disruptive deleter. Jadamondo (talk) 06:33, 21 March 2023 (UTC)


 * No, you must provide citations, and you must refrain from editorial commentary in articles. Please stop and abide by Wikipedia policy.  Acroterion   (talk)   11:05, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

RevDel
It looks like this may qualify for a RevDel. Thanks! DonIago (talk) 04:42, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Ron Labinski
Aoidh (talk) 00:03, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Death toll
Saying 2,763 people were killed in the “crashes, fires and subsequent collapses” is wrong. Several of the 147 passengers and crew aboard the two hijacked flights were murdered prior to them crashing; they can’t be said to have been killed when the planes crashed. Hmm1994 (talk) 19:17, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Then add "hijackings," because there is no way of knowing how many were killed prior to the crashes.  Acroterion   (talk)   00:07, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Please act in good faith
The professor is currently suspended for inflammatory speech. The article should reflect that. 47.200.110.84 (talk) 12:14, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That's not the same as being fired. You need sources to say he was (which your "was" implied), and it would be nice if you didn't treat insistence on following policy as an act of bad faith.  Acroterion   (talk)   12:18, 30 March 2023 (UTC)