User talk:Acroterion/Archive Q3 2008

Thanks
How do I get started to help with the national register project...

I am taking a road trip through Indiana, Michigan, Ontario, New York, Maine, Vermont and Virginia...


 * Well, officially, you can add your name to the list, which doesn't do a great deal (no prizes or anything, maybe a newsletter now and then), but it lets us see who's interested. We desperately need pictures, since images from state websites are not free-use licensed, and the Historic American Buildings Survey images tend to be old and black-and-white.  Ideally, if you can figure out a list of NRHP properties along your path, we'd love for you to take pictures and upload them, creating articles as needed.  I've been doing this as I travel around my area - it's more work than you'd think.  The Elkman NRHP generator is how you get the infoboxes - there's a reference on the page, and if you know the NRHP number of title, it will create the formatting.   Acroterion  (talk)  20:34, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The barn - round barn at that! - needs a picture, and the Gratiot Light image is so-so, backlit and all. If you're in the neighborhood, even decent snapshots are helpful. Creating sourced articles is fairly easy once you've done a few and have lined up your sources, but time consuming. There's no substitute for somebody on the spot with a camera who can upload the image with a GFDL license.   Acroterion  (talk)  20:40, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Dodona Manor
Beautiful pic! You should announce it in new pictures section at wp:NRHP, if you haven't yet. Really nice. doncram (talk) 02:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it's right in the middle of Leesburg, though it doesn't look that way. It would be better in the afternoon, but I generally have early morning meetings a few miles away and haven't been there when the sun's shining on the west side.   Acroterion  (talk)  03:04, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Daffy Duck marathon
If only the creator would take the advice/suggestions so freely given. At least he turned off the caps lock. < > [[User:Dlohcierekim| Dloh  cierekim  15:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I was beginning to think the key was welded in place. Browsers should have some sort of "do you really want to shout at people?" dialog box.   Acroterion  (talk)  15:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Fourth of July, or bust, Thanks
Thank you so much for tackling List of NHLs in MD, to start with, which helped making me feel it was time to get all of the NHLs well-started. And then, as part of this cleanup drive, thank you for going on to Ohio, Missouri, Texas, and elsewhere! doncram (talk) 17:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your advice, support and overall project direction! I've enjoyed working on this. It's good to have a goal in mind, and you set one that was logical and achievable. It's particularly nice to see a dozen or so Wikipedians working toward the same goal - so often people drift away into other interests, or descend into bickering over minutia. Happy Fourth!   Acroterion  (talk)  18:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXVIII (June 2008)
The June 2008 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 17:20, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Uhh Yeah Dude
I was just looking through the wiki and I noticed there was not an Uhh Yeah Dude page. I also wondered why this great podcast was not in the wiki. Your name came up for deleting the previous page. It said: 20:00, 28 March 2008 Acroterion (Talk | contribs) deleted "Uhh yeah dude" ‎ (A7 (web): Web content; doesn't indicate importance/significance) Excuse my arrogance but I believe that any podcast that has one of the highest download rates might have some kind of importance/significance. However I'm sure you know best. DeluxNate (talk) 14:51, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I went back and looked at the deleted text - there was no mention of any particular distinction or notability in the article. Generally, there should be some indication that podcasts, web content and the like have received some notice in third-party media, preferably in multiple independent sources.  If you can provide such references, by all means, go ahead and create an article.    Acroterion  (talk)  14:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

GodFlow
You warned this guy a few days ago. He's back. 206.116.63.240 (talk) 03:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have deleted the article and blocked the user. Sorry for talk page stalking! ;p Knowledge Of Self  &#124;  talk  05:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm perfectly fine with talk page stalking, especially since I was asleep at the time. Thanks for helping out!   Acroterion  (talk)  11:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Unfair warning
Unfortunately, it only transpires to be a “civil” matter after I have been personally insulted by an editor. Then, you have the audacity to warn me. Well done, you have again proved my point regarding Wikipedia being biased against a small article about our particular, already acclaimed, production.

Thanks for your warning. I shall treat it as the editors have treated a perfectly factual article. i.e. : “press delete now”

Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hommybeg (talk • contribs) 02:44, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Gee, he's not half ticked, is he? I'll admit, I got my sterotypical Irish up when he accused me of anti-Celt bias!!!! Is this something for an ANI report, or do we hope he's going to finally go away? -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  13:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I was kind of amused by the notion that there's anti-Welsh racism running rampant in the US, and particularly that you were such a person. Considering the folks that were advising him were all clearly in North America, it's an interesting thesis. I've run across a guy named Wales who has an online encyclopedia, though, maybe there's a connection. I'd leave him alone - he's been told by no fewer than three people that his article is promotional and gives no indication of notability (one solitary review - that isn't linked - isn't enough, as we all know).  If he starts up again, we can see how he behaves, but it's not worth AN/I at the moment.    Acroterion  (talk)  14:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

What about your rather condescending remarks above? They are both personally hurtful and dismissive. Surely, not the proper behaviour for an admin. Okay, I only wanted to place our article here but obviously not. By the way, there is no connection with that other person you mentioned. My article is clearly not "promotional advertising", which we do not need from this site, as I have previously explained.

As I have already explained to that other editor, I am no longer interested in taking an active part on this site.

Best wishes to you both and thanks for being really welcoming to a new user.

(Hommybeg (talk) 18:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC))


 * You were kindly advised, in increasingly forceful terms, that Wikipedia is not for promotion. We welcome new contributors, but expect them to follow the encyclopedia's guidelines: if you do not, your contributions may be extensively edited or deleted.  Your response was to accuse the editors who were advising you of racism and bias against your nationality, as well as veiled agendas against your production.  That is not in any way acceptable.    Acroterion  (talk)  21:44, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

A language
I just wanted to say that there are plenty of articles on made up languages. They are called conlangs. For Example: Esperanto p.s.please do some research before commenting —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanguage (talk • contribs) 23:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Esperanto and Klingon language are two that come to mind. The difference is that they are notable, not things an individual made up one day.  Please do some research on our policies, such as WP:MADEUP or WP:NOR before submitting material of this kind again.    Acroterion  (talk)  23:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Do disney stars have neopet accounts
It's back. Wanna nuke delete it again please? Thingg &#8853; &#8855; 02:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Accouting4Taste got it.   Acroterion  (talk)  03:18, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

also
You said: "Links to an person's own websites do not establish the notability of that person, and tend to be seen as promotional. Independent third-party coverage, from multiple sources of more than local standing are usually required to establish notability on Wikipedia"

This guy is world renowned and has been featured in many magazines and interviewed many times over. He is a prominent figure in the world of graffiti. I dont see the problem?

Please feel free to do a google search "eaz graffiti". You will see for yourself. This guy is definitely notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silverpoundcans (talk • contribs) 18:12, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

regarding EAZ look at his press section to see that he is world renowned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silverpoundcans (talk • contribs) 18:24, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Pictures of a magazine on the artist's own website don't establish much at all, particularly "world renown". Appropriate references in the article are required, indicating date, publication and attribution.  The artist may indeed be notable, but it must be substantiated by reference to something other than the artist's own website.    Acroterion  (talk)  19:06, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * A review of the Google results show a lot of youtube, myspace and the artist's personal websites. I haven't found any independent media coverage of this person, apart from what is apparently presented on the artists's website.   Acroterion  (talk) 

AfD nomination of Heroes (Strain 138)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Heroes (Strain 138), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Heroes (Strain 138). Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Accounting4Taste: talk 20:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

First Unitarian Baltimore
I have some historical information and pictures to help flesh out the article if you are interested. I'm new to Wiki, so if you can advise on how to add or would like me to send the info for you to add, contact me at historyfirstunitarian.net Lauri.cebula.seaboch (talk) 14:15, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Mary Jane Gooding
I did not make ANY UN-SOURCED allegations. In Fact I did not allege anyone, did anything. I left a source to the autopsy(redacted) knows something about her disappearance. I also included the FACT the that was found in his car, and THE FACT that the Marysville Police Department believes her death to be that of an Accident. And they only wish to speak to (redacted). Please restore the article. I think you will find reading the articles before you delete them will be most rewarding.--Subman758 (talk) 21:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You need to provide very specific references when dealing with biographies of living persons. Linking to the show's site isn't enough - you need specific references supporting the allegations, from multiple sources, particularly if the person in question has never been charged.  The reason the ref doesn't show is because you haven't added  at the bottom of the page where the refs would normally be. These are basic principles, and have recently gotten even more stringent. It's pretty much delete on sight nowadays.  If you've got the refs, great, but they need to be there from the beginning, from multiple sources, and they must be ironclad.    Acroterion  (talk)  21:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

(redact more)

Where in all of that do get that somehow I am accusing (redacted)of wrong doing? I have not accused him, and nor will I. He IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. In order for me to accuse him I would first have to prove a crime was committed. At present their is no evidence to support a crime was committed. However it is IN FACT a POSSIBILITY, that a crime was committed. Which IS WHAT I STATED "Mrs. Gooding is the victim of a possible homicide." The key word there POSSIBLE. So you are wrong for deleting the article, on the grounds that I was accusing someone of a crime. And I assure the article will return, and to please you I will source 1000 references if necessary.--Subman758 (talk) 21:32, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I do however thank you, for explaining to me on how to make references appear on a page.--Subman758 (talk) 21:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, and I don't really want to be a scold, but unsourced insinuations that someone's involved in a capital crime are a textbook BLP violation. I've removed the name above, for instance. You're also into original research territory, as I see it. Go forth and research, but don't synthesize.    Acroterion  (talk)  21:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
You are deleting extremely fast on csd tonight, I refreshed a page I tagged 10 secs earlier and it was gone, I like it!--Finalnight (talk) 03:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, the firehose of crap is flowing full force tonight, I'm afraid. Spammers, vandals, the well-intentioned but misguided are all out in force, but I'm giving up for the evening in a few minutes.   Acroterion  (talk)  03:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I am gonna keep working for a little while longer, its helping me relax from my rfa-drama, and some of the new pages are so absurd they make me chucle heartily.--Finalnight (talk) 03:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you've only got (counts fingers and toes) five days to go. Five very long, excruciating days.   Acroterion  (talk)  03:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, I am going to just stay away from it as much as possible till the period is over and keep myself busy doing what I do best, anti-vandalism/anti-firehose of crap stuff.--Finalnight (talk) 03:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry
Implausible, harsh. I just did not know how to delete the page--thanks for your help. Actually, the external sites were multiple sites that offered HIPAA compliant email services in addition to info on HIPAA. Ex hushmail, hisecure.net, HIPAA regulations, etc Thanks will read what about Neologisms. Please be a little more patient, I am trying to get up to speed on posting. Thanks for your patience.

Sorry
Implausible, harsh. I just did not know how to delete the page--thanks for your help. Actually, the external sites were multiple sites that offered HIPAA compliant email services in addition to info on HIPAA. Ex hushmail, HIPAA regulations, etc Thanks will read what about Neologisms. Please be a little more patient, I am trying to get up to speed on posting. Thanks for your patience.

Also, how is a Hushmail page legit? I think that should get a speedy deletion.
 * Look at the refs: Hushmail's been in the news, including rather extensive legal proceedings, hence an abundance of third-party sources and evidence of notability, completely independent of the product. The sources are major publications outside of the trade.   Acroterion  (talk)  11:03, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Good to have somebody watching for the bigots and idiots. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  14:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Blocked for One Month
Acroterion, This is just to let you know that SCZenz blocked me for one month because of my last communication to you in June. One wonders why he was even so interested to be reading what I was writing to you.

Were you so offended by what I wrote to you that you would have blocked me yourself if SCZenz hadn't done the honours? Or are you maybe now realizing that there might actually be some truth to what I was trying to tell you regarding wikistalking? David Tombe (talk) 15:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You were appropriately blocked: your editing had become disruptive and you were becoming more interested in allegations of a nonexistent conspiracy than in working collaboratively with other editors on the encyclopedia. Most admins have a couple of hundred users that they've interacted with on their watchlists, and many of them are other admins - it's how we know what's going on on the wiki and head off trouble.  That's why I saw Brews ohare's perceptive comment on your talkpage concerning the difficulty of discourse in this format, with which I agree. People underestimate the difficulty of working out disagreements or misperceptions and get frustrated.  Regards,   Acroterion  (talk)  03:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Protection of vandal title
Hi, Acroterion. I saw you just deleted a "Grawp" title/article about 5 minutes ago. Did you ever think of protecting it? Schfifty Three  23:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, what was moved this time? Sceptre (talk) 23:26, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay - I was preparing dinner, and Grawp's not going to make me screw up a couple of rib-eyes. There was no move, just an image with a Grawp-meme, which leads me to believe it wasn't actually G.    Acroterion  (talk)  00:22, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears to be relate to this .  Acroterion  (talk)  01:07, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for the revert on my talk page, it is much appreciated! --- RepublicanJacobite  The'FortyFive'  04:00, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Now that I know the story, I'll keep an eye out; Luna's protections will help.   Acroterion  (talk)  12:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Ammunition Igloo (Golden, Colorado)
thanks for adding information to this article I created Xnatedawgx (talk) 18:22, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! I see that you do a lot of NRHP articles - you might want to consider joining WP:NRHP,. If you look down the page you'll find a link to Elkman's NRHP infobox generator, which accesses the Park Service database and generates those infoboxes and templates - it speeds things up considerably.    Acroterion  (talk)  18:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Got a Question
I asked Kubigula (and Firsfron) this, but I think they are both offline for the night....it's more of a clarification than a question: would "avoid editing the same pages as JPG" (as Kubigula said), be not editing any radio pages or just pages he frequents. I want to make sure I am clear on that before I begin editing so we are all on the same page. Thanks... NeutralHomer T:C 00:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You should walk before running. I realize that you have a very narrow focus of interest, but I think JPG-GR has a right to state some conditions. He says "If the end result is a return with a partial "content ban", let him run as free as is allowed in the land of television." That, to me means that he'd prefer that you stay away from radio, and I suggest you honor that.  Time may allow you to expand your horizons, but you're effectively on probation. It's a big wiki - isn't there something other than radio you'd like to work with?    Acroterion  (talk)  00:59, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah...I can work on the TV stations section (that's cool) and there are a few towns in my county (in the WikiVirginia Project) I can add to. I figured that is what Kubigula was saying, but I wanted to make sure first before editing.  Thanks for the clarification.  Take Care.... NeutralHomer  T:C 01:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that's for the best. From a slightly selfish point of view, there are a lot of articles needed for the National Register of Historic Places, and there are an inordinate number of redlinks in Virginia, if you're interested. Take a look here  at some the articles I've done, and WP:NRHP. I'm not twisting your arm, though.    Acroterion  (talk)  01:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow....you have done ALOT of work on the NRGPs. Nice work!  There are a few in Frederick County, Virginia (where I live), plus a couple nearby (I think I have pictures of a couple), so I might be able to knock a couple of those out.  Thanks for the NRGP idea...now ya got my brain working :)  Take Care.... NeutralHomer  T:C 01:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually found most of my town in the List of Registered Historic Places in Virginia. Now have all these neat ideas about an article for the Newtown-Stephensburg Historic District page...plus combining with the Stephens City, Virginia article (something I always wanted to bring to good article status).  Ya just had to put tons of ideas in my head :o)  Let's see what neatness comes out :)  Take Care.... NeutralHomer  T:C 01:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There are the usual disagreements and difficulties in that editing arena too, but with only 10,000 out of 80,000 potential articles even created, there's plenty of room for everybody.   Acroterion  (talk)  01:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I know and I will do my best to avoid those. But, with having an advantage (living in the town featured in the article), I think this will be fun to work on.  Some 150 buildings (some 150 pictures can be featured) and some 150 stories to be told.  This looks like fun :)  If you don't mind, I may run a few ideas past you (I will work on this via a sandbox first so I can make changes).  Take Care.... NeutralHomer  T:C 02:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, maybe a careful selection of the best rather than all 150? I personally dislike doing historic district articles, as opposed to individual sites, so more power to you. Look on WP:NRHP for Elkman's invaluable NRHP infobox generator.    Acroterion  (talk)  02:59, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, 150 pictures would be a little crazy. The pictures on the Stephens City, Virginia page take up alot of room and there are only (I think) 8 of them on there....and I took about 150 that day.  Which brings me to another question.  If I go out, get some information (there is a History Center in town) and take pictures, would that be considered original research?  I will probably hit up the Newtown History Center tomorrow if they are open.  Take Care.... NeutralHomer  T:C 03:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Depends. No problem at all with the pictures, obviously. Word of mouth from the tourism folks isn't going to get the job done. I don't see tourism brochures and such as inherently different from a web page, but they're harder to cite, and a book is preferred. Most locales have a standard reference for local history (the Millard Bushong book for Jefferson County, WV, for instance) that they could send you to for backup, that should be the original source for the handouts. The Shenandoah Valley has to be as well-researched and documented as anywhere in the country, and I bet the local library can point you in the right direction. Also, the NRHP nominating documents, typically found here for Virginia give a lot of background, although I've run across sloppy research and promotion there, too.  Acroterion  (talk)  12:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The Newtown History Center (here in Stephens City) would have a ton of reference material. The gentleman that runs it knows alot of the history behind alot of the houses in Stephens City.  I might not be able to get there today (doc appt, thunderstorms, etc), but it is my new project :)  I have the page setup on in my sandbox.  Take Care.... NeutralHomer  T:C 12:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

The Adam B's page you just deleted
I'm pretty sure that we are actually real people. We were working on this page still and you so rudely deleted it. Thank you for turning me off of wikipedia FOREVER. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thatoneadamkid24 (talk • contribs) 02:12, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt your personal reality. The question is whether you're real notable people.  We're an encyclopedia, not MySpace.   Acroterion  (talk)  02:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

You know if your going to delete my history of this company then you might want to delete all companies even though the rules and regs clearly state that merely being a product or company is not blatant advertising —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrotzien (talk • contribs) 18:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, your company just isn't very notable, and I mean that in the kindest manner possible. All companies must meet our requirements for WP:NOTABILITY, or else they are deleted. Yours shows no sign of doing so: being down the road from Geek Squad isn't very notable.  You may have removed the most obvious advertising, but there's a long way to go.    Acroterion  (talk)  18:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually it is not my company sheesh i wish I owned a company just a company the fascinated me and I hadn't even got to finish my article. I can see why you have so many complaints. People try to write some great works about things and you strike em down before there finished. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrotzien (talk • contribs) 18:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Those who do deletions get complaints. Nonetheless, companies must meet clear standards for inclusion, found at WP:CORP and WP:NOTE. Please understand these requirements for inclusion in Wikipedia before submitting articles on companies.   Acroterion  (talk)  18:40, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the vandalism revert on my userpage - I think I might have missed it otherwise.-- Kubigula (talk) 04:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Humor
I stole this from FisherQueen - thanks for the barnstar!  Acroterion  (talk)  21:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

User:David Tombe
I see from this user's talk page that you've encountered them before, so I'm coming to you for help. I am very unhappy with the totally foundless accusations made in this contribution of his to a debate on the Mozart talk page (of all places). I made a response last night but having slept on it I fear I might have been feeding the you-know-whats. At any rate, I don't feel that it's right that someone quite innocently joining a discussion should risk have this kind of thing thrown at the them. Yours,  almost - instinct 08:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Your answer (which I saw yesterday) is entirely appropriate and well-considered. I've brought up Mr. Tombe's tactic elsewhere in response to this .  He's declined to answer, as he is of the opinion that all editors who disagree with him are part of a conspiracy to thwart him, one which re-forms almost magically with new members wherever he goes. The screed is typical, and you should not take it seriously or personally.  Antandrus says it best here : Mr. Tombe specializes in sterile argument. Tombe has an extensive block history, but ranting is not usually a blockable offense, and I would advise you to simply ignore him - you're under no obligation to engage another editor who's simply trying to stir something up. Antandrus is an admin whose opinion I respect, and I'm certain that he would act appropriately if things got out of hand at Mozart.     Acroterion  (talk)  12:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Acroterion, There was a citation supplied. It was in the form of a letter from Mozart to his father expressing the fact that he unequivocally viewed himself as a German. I don't see anything sterile about trying to argue that Mozart was a German.


 * I fail to see the basis for your totally biased response above to username 'Almost-Instinct'.


 * The mere fact that I have ended up in two completely separate arguments is not a basis for assuming that I must be wrong. I stumbled across the Mozart thing by accident. I was using the wikipedia for what it is meant to be used for. I was trying to get information. It was then that I noticed that the main page was locked and that there had been an edit war over the issue of Mozart's nationality. As it so happens, I have read alot over the years about both Mozart and German history and it became obvious to me that once again, just like on the centrifugal force page, the article had been hi-jacked by a group of fanatics who are determined to push one of the great lies of our times ie. that Mozart was not a German.


 * As an administrator, you need to open your eyes a bit more to what is going on. Encyclopaediae are supposed to report facts. Administrators are supposed to examine the evidence and make sure that the correct facts are going in.


 * But that is not what you are doing. From what I can see, you are merely pandering to the majority and failing to realize that in both the Mozart article and in the centrifugal article, the majority in question are distorting the truth in the name of their own personal prejudices.


 * I don't have any prejudices regarding Mozart's nationality. I am not a German. I like visiting both Germany and Austria. But I know that Mozart was not an Austrian in his own time. I even offered compromised wording on the issue mentioning the fact that he originated in a place that is now inside Austria.


 * But these guys are not interested in compromise. They are interested only in pushing the idea that Mozart was anything but German. That is a lie, and as an administrator you need to learn to arbitrate impartially.


 * You have indicated in your response above that you will support any admistrative action to maintain the lie that Mozart was not a German.


 * He was a German. He was a German to the backbone just like Beethoven and Bach.David Tombe (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Once again, you illustrate your persistent misunderstanding of the role of an administrator, and of the means for collaborative editing. Administrators are not arbitrators: you are on your own with respect to content disputes. I locked the Centrifugal force page because all parties had started behaving badly - if it was just you, you would have been blocked.  But you are behaving badly at Mozart and appear to be unable to edit collaboratively, regarding your opinion as the only one which counts, and all others as "fanatics".  Once again, I implore you to moderate your language, seek compromise, avoid sterile argument for its own sake, and learn from experience. You are alienating editors wherever you go, which is an indication that you either need to reconsider your editing strategy or your participation in this project. You may expect to be blocked permanently from editing if you do not make fundamental changes to your attitude toward other editors: you are editing disruptively.   Acroterion  (talk)  16:04, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Acroterion, I am the one that has been trying to seek a compromise on the Mozart page. But the other editors will not tolerate the idea that Mozart was German despite the fact that very good sources indicate the contrary. Did you read Mozart's letter to his father in which he made it quite clear that he considered himself to be a German? And have you seen the editors trying to totally deny this fact? Are you saying that eleven against one means that they are correct?David Tombe (talk) 12:53, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It simply means that you have failed to convince any other editors that your proposal is worthwhile. Arguments over the nationality of historical figures are among the most pernicious and time-wasting disputes we face, and in this case, it means virtually nothing to insist on a particular nationality for a resident of one of the Central European Germanic states of that time. You may wish to entertain the possibility that you are, from time to time, wrong, or that things you consider important are not held in the same regard by others.  Acroterion  (talk)  15:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

You might as well say that about Bach and Beethoven too. It obviously means quite alot to the editors who are determined to play down the fact that Mozart was a German. Encyclopaediae are supposed to be aimed at giving facts to the readers and so this kind of basic information should not be omitted.David Tombe (talk) 19:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Restore
Hi, can you restore this userbox. I previously CSDed it, but now I changed mind and want to restore this box.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 02:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Restored. Now I'm curious about whether there's a special judaic practice of anarchy?  Acroterion  (talk)  02:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yes, there is, some Jewish thinkers often try to combine Judaism with anarchism and believe several aspects of Judaism is similar to anarchist principals and thus the goal of these two are more or less same. You can read the article Jewish anarchism, especially the section Religious Jewish Anarchism, and the article which details this Anarchism and Orthodox Judaism.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 02:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the links - it makes sense (at least in terms of the reference and the links to Jewish doctrine) now that I read about it, weak scholar of Judaism though I am.   Acroterion  (talk)  02:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA thankspam
Thanks for your support in my RFA, which passed with 140 supporting, 11 opposing, and 4 neutral. I will do my best to live up to the trust that you have given to me. If I can ever assist you with anything, just ask.

Cheers!

J.delanoy gabs adds 20:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Sacred Name Movement Vandalism
Last year you were instrumental in stabilizing the Assemblies of Yahweh article and we need your advise again. Both that one and the Sacred Name Movement article are once again really being worked over again by an annonymous editor to which they are requesting point-by-point response to their writtings which are unfounded, extremely biased and which many times border on slander. Before I even respond to the Anon, I was looking for advise on a direction that we should take to best stabilize these pages again. (I really hate to see any page locked down but as the discussion groups reveal, she (or he) is being really unreasonable). Thanks!! WEMUS (talk) 13:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean. It's worth noting first that court records are primary sources and as such are not normally acceptable as citations: Wikipedia and other encyclopedias use reliable secondary sources that are known for fact-checking and which can provide more context than raw records. The editor needs to stop calling you a vandal - that's just plain wrong, and may result in a block if it continues.  I'll have a word with them about that once I figure out what's going on a little better. You might wish to avoid using the word slander - that's a little much, even if the editor is lashing out at you.  I'll have a longer look when I get a chance to look through the pas couple of months.    Acroterion  (talk)  21:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the attention although maybe the Anon has gotten bored and the articles have been pretty stable as of late. The term slander is a harsh term. The unsubstantiated accusation of child molestation of the head of a religious organization and administrator of a school should be taken seriously. As you know, slander is defined as "A false defamation (expressed in spoken words, signs, or gestures) which injures the character or reputation of the person defamed;". With the seriousness of the charge, all it takes is the accusation. I think though that the consensus has been to ostracize this anonymous editor so the concept seems to be working. Thanks for your attention.WEMUS (talk) 11:39, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My apologies - I wasn't able to spend much time looking at the articles in question - other matters, both Real Life and Wiki-related took up time. If you feel comfortable with the way things are, I won't stir it up again. While you are correct concerning the usage of "slander", keep in mind that discussions of that kind tend to wander into legal territory, which is expressly forbidden here, and can result in blocks.  It's best just to insist that any kind of potentially defamatory information concerning individuals that is not backed up by multiple, credible, verifiable sources be removed immediately, without discussion of the content in any detail or in any legal terms.   Acroterion  (talk)  11:54, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Removing referenced material
Acroterion, I agree with you that it can be a good thing to remove referenced material. But I wish that the administrators would be even handed on this issue. I was only throwing back a line that has been thrown at me so often, even by administrators. I have been severely warned on occasions not to remove referenced material. In fact, I may even have been blocked for doing it, or for even removing false referenced material in which the references did not confirm what they were purporting to confirm. I have been blocked on false premises on a number of occasions and it has enabled my opponents to refer to a 'block record' which is largely fraudulent. I think that we both agree that an article needs to be written coherently by somebody who has an overall comprehension of the topic in question, and that references are only needed when challenged. It is the 'consensus' issue that will ultimately cause wikipedia to fail. Often a single person trying to correct an article is confronted with an active team who are trying to push their own fringe point of view which is quite often false. One person cannot successfully confront such a situation because the team will in effect be immune from the three revert rule. I think that wikipedia has tended to overlook this fact in relation to their policy of consensus.David Tombe (talk) 15:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Why Didnt You Block TrustTruth and Rfortner?
Sir your block of David Tombe is unfair. Apparently you didnt read the discussion. The dispute was started by a nasty comment from TrustTruth, but you didnt block him. Then Rfortner was extremely nasty in a remark to Mr Tombe. But you unfairly blocked Mr Tombe. This indicates to me that he is right in what he says about you editors. So unless you block the real offenders. I have to assume that you sir are not a fair and honest person. Frankly sir, I am upset by the way you have treated me here and this is not unusual. editors treat users with disrespect, as you have Mr Tombe. Wikipedia needs reform, to create honest and accurate articles. I dont see this happening. All I see is political correctness and poorly written articles with significant political bias. You need to block the real offenders in this controversy, not Mr Tombe. 71.251.183.186 (talk) 15:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I will say this once: you only appear when Mr. Tombe has been blocked, and support his disruptive behavior, for which he has received blocks from no fewer than four administrators, and complaints from at least a dozen editors. You do not help Tombe by doing this, and appear to have no useful contributions to make. There is no debate: further disruptive comments or harassment on your part towards any other editor will be ignored and reverted, and you will be blocked as appropriate and necessary if you pursue a policy of harassment.    Acroterion  (talk)  16:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Weird...
Not sure why we didn't edit conflict, that was weird. We both just added a vand1 warning on User talk:Hyundai8787, and mine wrote over yours. Sorry 'bout that, not sure what happened there. Cheers, Keeper    76  19:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * As long as they got the message, that's fine with me.   Acroterion  (talk)  19:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

heh
"Similar examples of potential nationalist battleground topics..."


 * ***TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS***TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS***TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS***TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS***TURKISH REPUBLIC OF"

yep. J.delanoy gabs adds 03:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * ... For example, yes. I had half a dozen without any effort at all, but figured nobody needs much help on that topic around here.   Acroterion  (talk)  11:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXIX (July 2008)
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Ayman al-Zawahiri
Hi, an anon haver made an edit in Ayman al-Zawahiri with this edit summary. Google shows no such hint. I am not familiar what to do with this. Could you please have a look. Thanks.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 15:06, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He's been reported dead several times that I know of, each time falsely. I don't think any credible outlets are taking it seriously, and in Afghanistan it takes a while for news to travel. I'd just revert it as unsubstantiated in the mainstream press, at least until it gains currency and is announced as fact by the Pakistani, Afghan or US governments (who've been wrong before).    Acroterion  (talk)  15:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There are several recent deaths that are credible: Midhat Mursi al-Sayid Umar (Sheikh Abu Khabab al-Masri), Abu Mohammed Ibrahim Bin Abi al-Faraj al-Masri, Abd al-Wahab al-Masri, and Abu Islam al-Masri, according to CNN.  Acroterion  (talk)  15:12, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, while these deaths are confirmed, Zawahiri's death on August 1, 2008 is still not reported in the mainstream media.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 15:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Per google search, all media outlets reported rumors of his death in 28 July, which also differs from the anon's day i.e. August 1.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 15:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think every time there's been a strike at al Qaeda resulting in deaths, al-Zawahiri's been reported dead.  Acroterion  (talk) 

Deletion
Greetings. Thank you for deleting this page. I was so excited to get started that I didn't see the information on what not to do. So I posted my bio. I am a musician. Will not do this again. I do wonder; however, if this will also be deleted from the google search as the Wikipedia entry is showing up now when I google my name. I'd like for this entry to be deleted from the Google search as well because I want it to be reposted correctly. My apologies again. SheaRose (talk) 03:27, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Greeting again. Can you notify me of a response as well. Additionally, my name is Jushea Rose (this is how it should look). In my excitement and haste I typed Jushea rose - can this page be deleted as it doesn't reflect the proper, case sensitive spelling of my name. Or can I edit it for the so that the name page is correct: "Jushea Rose". SheaRose (talk) 03:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * We don't control Google, so it will show up until the Google cache expires, which can take a few days. You'll need to meet the requirements of WP:ENTERTAINER for inclusion on Wikipedia - you might also want to look at WP:BAND for information on notability of bands and singers. No apology needed, and the entry will eventually disappear from Google.  Regards,   Acroterion  (talk)  03:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe I deleted both entries. Please review the links above for eligibility for inclusion - it looks like you're very early in your (hopefully successful) career, and you don't yet meet Wikipedia's requirements for inclusion as a singer.    Acroterion  (talk)  03:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Jake Marsh Entry
This page was not made in error or in vandalism. Is there any way you ca reverse the deletion? It was a valid entry. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakemarsh (talk • contribs) 17:11, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was (but not by you). It appears to have been deleted as non-notable on 28 May 2007, but was created again today by  with content along the lines of "Jake Marsh, born Aloysius Ernest Stompingford Tastypants in Rockford, Illinois to philanthropist J. Edgar Rippington Tastypants and xenobotanist Patricia O'Butter" - thus the vandalism.  The previous version was obviously different, but it hasn't existed for more than a year.  How did you come to check on it today, within an hour of the latest deletion?   Acroterion  (talk)  17:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I was linked to it on twitter. Is there no way I can get the original (valid, non vandalistic) content back up?  Jakemarsh  (talk)  17:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

If you need validation of the significance and notariety of the article, check my twitter page here: [] - "Jake Marsh" is clearly a public figure in the technology and social networking scene, and therefore is notable enough to merit an article. Please let me know your thoughts  Jakemarsh  (talk)  17:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You may wish to contact the admin who deleted your version,, who notified you last year when the article was deleted. I expect that he will ask for evidence that you have received coverage in multiple, independent third-party media to establish your notability, as what I saw in the article did not include such references, and I must point out that autobiographies are strongly discouraged on Wikipedia.    Acroterion  (talk)  17:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

PromoteMySong deletion
Can you please inform me as to why my PromoteMySong.com entry is getting deleted?Dunwoody08 (talk) 21:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The article itself appears to be promotional, and does not appear to document a company that is notable: see WP:CORP for notability standards for companies and WP:WEB for web content. Generally, if you can provide references documenting coverage in multiple independent third-party media, that would qualify the company for inclusion.  Wikipedia documents notability - it is not a means for gaining notability.    Acroterion  (talk)  21:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Userfy of Ciai x5986
Could I request a copy of "Ciai x5986" be posted at User:NuclearWarfare/Tropical Storm Chantal please? NuclearWarfare  contact me My work 01:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you! NuclearWarfare  contact me My work  01:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec) :Done. I used the first version - does that work for you?   Acroterion  (talk)  01:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's perfectly fine. I was rereviewing my db-g7, and I felt that this was something I could work on. Thanks again :) NuclearWarfare  contact me My work  01:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Deleted thread about Ambient Advertising.
I understand why the thread about Ambient Advertising was deleted but it was far from completed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freakclownface (talk • contribs) 05:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It did not appear to be incomplete, but certainly looked like, well, advertising.  Acroterion  (talk)  11:33, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

implu - Officers, directors, major investors, board connections and important news available at
My page was no different than those of our competitors. If there's language that you prefer altered then please say so. Don't simply delete the entire page causing me to rework the whole thing.

Can you please restore the page and advise on areas to change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LondonSteve (talk • contribs) 16:23, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The article was written in the tone of a public relations release. Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it is primarily concerned with why an organization is notable and worthy of inclusion, not its mere existence and contact information.  We generally request multiple, independent third-party references: see WP:CORP for guidelines on notability requirements.  Phone numbers, sales contacts, and promotional prose (even very mild promotion) are not encyclopedic.  And finally, you have a clear conflict of interest: members of organizations are strongly discouraged from contributing articles about their company, just as autobiographies are discouraged, because it is difficult to be objective and such articles tend to be unsourced. We generally suggest that if your company is sufficiently notable, someone else will think so and write an article about you.    Acroterion  (talk)  16:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I doubt very seriously that someone thought Hoovers, infoUSA, Zoominfo and JigSaw were of such interest that they simply created a wiki page out of the goodness of their hearts. As they have a page, we too are entitled to a page. I'm happy to change the language and in fact made sure to do so in the spirit of wikipedia. I'm happy to alter it more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LondonSteve (talk • contribs) 16:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Feel free to re-introduce an amended version, but understand that there is no "entitlement" to an entry, and the presence or absence of articles on competitors, and the quality of their entries has no bearing on your article. You must be prepared to provide rigorously neutral information and to back up the information with third-party sources acceptable under Wikipedia guidelines as part of the initial entry, and you must specifically demonstrate notability.  Acroterion  (talk)  17:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I reviewed the competitors wiki pages and submitted implu's within (hand on heart) the spirit of wikipedia, even to the extent of listing their wiki pages as competitors. So this is a bit of a surprise. Still, I'm quite happy to work with in the system until you're happy with the result. Can I please get a copy of the source somewhere where I can access it? This will save me a quite a bit of time. Thank you. —Preceding comment added by LondonSteve (talk • contribs) 17:53, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand - I did a few searches and I see that the company is very new. It also looks rather useful, in my own private (non-Wikipedia) opinion. I'll drop the article in User:LondonSteve/Sandbox.   Acroterion  (talk)  17:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your (private) opinion. We think so too. We're getting tons of attention. Wait till you see the current development bits go live. Q4 08 ish. It's going to be very cool. I'll update the sandbox area and tap you on the shoulder for approval prior to going "live". Thank you again. —Preceding unsigned • comment added by LondonSteve (talkcontribs) 18:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

This was actually a fun excercise! Except for some small edits, would the current User:LondonSteve/Sandbox version pass your inspection? —Preceding unsigned • comment added by LondonSteve (talk • contribs) at 23:04, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Much better. I'd lose the first line - you wouldn't see a motto like that in Encyclopedia Britannica, right? More importantly, you say you're getting tons of attention. Can you come up with two or three mentions in independent media to establish this notability?   Acroterion  (talk)  00:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

A Question
I moved Template:Blacksburg Radio to Template:Blacksburg-Christiansburg-Radford-Pulaski Radio. No biggie there, but when I went to check for redirects (I always knock those out) it keeps saying the original Template:Blacksburg Radio template is linked to pages it isn't.

All these pages are not really linked there. My question is, if the "What Links Here" page isn't giving me the right information, what exactly should I do? - NeutralHomer  talk| edits 16:52, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Damned if I know why it's doing that. I was going to blame the database servers, but it's noticed the link to this page, so I don't know.  I don't think it hurts anything, but it's strange.   Acroterion  (talk)  17:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It is, because normally the linked pages "disappear" when the servers update themselves (which is normally pretty quick, if not immediately). I checked all the links and they are not linked to the old template, so...I am as confused as you are :S  Thanks for looking into it though.  Take Care and Have a Great Weekend... NeutralHomer  talk| edits 17:53, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thought I would let you know, I checked the "What Links Here" page for Template:Blacksburg Radio (before writing this) and it is still showing about 15 pages that don't link to that template (down from over 200), so I guess the changes just had to "work through" the system. Weirdness.  Take Care.... NeutralHomer  talk| edits 19:55, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Jessica Gaude
Why is the unsourced biography of a child in such circumstances unacceptable? The biography is not negative, and therefore there is no rule that allows it to be speedily deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkmage Rector (talk • contribs) 09:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You said it: unsourced. An unsourced biography discussing a child's medical condition is not acceptable, whether it is negative or not. Biographies of living people are held to a high standard, which includes rigorous sourcing requirements, and are subject to speedy deletion if those are not met.   Acroterion  (talk)  11:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

A Favor, Please
Could you delete the talk pages for WCHG, WVLS, and WVMR? I merged those pages into Allegheny Mountain Radio (they are part of that network) and the talk pages are now orphaned. Many thanks... NeutralHomer •  Talk  18:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure: give me a few minutes as I'm somewhat otherwise engaged.   Acroterion  (talk)  18:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. No rush :)  Thanks again...  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  19:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Done.  Acroterion  (talk)  19:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dude, I appericate it :) Take Care...  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  21:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I have a question. The posting Jushea rose was deleted because I posted it myself...about me and my music. Found out later that I wasn't supposed to do that. The problem is now its still showing up in the google search and actually me being so speedy spelled the page name wrong. It should have been Jushea Rose not Jushea rose. Is there anyway to correct the page name. Is it really delete. If so why is is still showing up in the google search.

All the best SheaRose (talk) 03:01, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

You are a piece of shit, man. Don't talk down on me like that you bitch!

Question About Deletion Jushea rose & Shea Rose
Jushea rose & Shea Rose were deleted for self promotion. I didn't know. As suggested I will have a writer post information about me as a recording artist. I do wonder if the current information coming up from wikipedia during a google search can be deleted. When I press on the link it shows no information posted, but this can't be good for my marketing purposes...clicking onto a link that no longer exists. Plus Jushea rose should be Jushea Rose. Any help would be amazing!

Shea (SheaRose (talk) 03:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC))
 * FisherQueen has most kindly responded for me on your userpage, and said what I intended, only better.   Acroterion  (talk)  15:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry wrong person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hippicanibus (talk • contribs) 16:02, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Kingman Research
Howdy--

Thanks for letting me know about the deletion. The last few days have been a learning experince. The information I have is small, because I have just started doing research on this. I am in the processing in creating a guided tour of Historic Downtown Kingman. I have created a small newspaper with this information in it. I will also pass this out to the owners of the properties on the registery and get their information of the houses and buildings. Hopefully I will add it to this site. Just to let you know I like working hands on. If you see something not right correct or let me know about it so I can fix. Thanks, RobChilcoatr (talk) 00:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Glad you want to help out. For ideas on formatting, you might want to look here .  Also, at WP:NRHP you'll find sources and Elkman's National Register Infobox generator - since you have the numbers, it'll be easy to make the boxes.    Acroterion  (talk)  00:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Footnote
Hello, Just a quick "thankyou" for the edits to the national forest articles, especially Tahoe. I would like to have a footnote on that sentence (Tahoe was originally established as the Lake Tahoe Forest Reserve on April 13, 1899. The name was changed to Tahoe on October 3, 1905) -if you have one handy. If not, I can root around here among all these books and get one. Again thanks for the help.

Cheers! Marcia Marcia Wright (talk) 16:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I do indeed have a ref, the mother of all lists of things National Forest, which got me started on this little forestry binge.

. I had no idea there were 200 or so former National Forest properties, some quite obscure.  Acroterion  (talk)  16:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * For the sake of thoroughness, I'd still like to have a really solid, concise ref sourcing the General Land Office, which established and administered the Forest Reserves in the Department of the Interior until 1906. That article is entirely unreferenced. Such a ref would support the terminology for all of the Forest Reserve articles.  Thanks for paying attention - it's nice to see that somebody cares about the forest articles, which have been neglected compared with National Parks.   Acroterion  (talk)  16:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

General Land Office
It is a good article-I'm very surprised no one has added anything-not even an External Links section!!

Thankyou for adding your source to TNF-isn't that a great website???All pages are sourced at the bottom even. I do believe there is hope for this world yet ;)

And yes we can spruce up General Land Office -all our library books are concerning this subject of US forests/reserves/wilderness areas/primitive areas/history/legislation thereof-so my kitchen table has ...uh...disappeared. Looking forward to working with you on this. Oh, BTW do you know of a Wikipedian who is expert in Geology? We need an ID for some rocks in Caribou Wilderness that I have a photo of (but will not post to the article until I can correctly name the type.) I was thinking of Mav but unsure still. Any suggestions?

Cheers, Marcia  Marcia Wright (talk) 20:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I ran across a geologist back in July, but I'm damned if I can remember. I'll drop a note on your talkpage if I can ever recollect. There are a few people listed at WP:GEOLOGY too.    Acroterion  (talk)  22:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh I hope he was unhurt...;)
 * Hope u dont mind my eaves-dropping. Dhaluza, in writing and bringing Marcellus Formation to GA status recently, was confident enough with his geology to identify some photos of rocks taken in Marcellus, New York, by a non-geologist, in order to include them in the article. doncram (talk) 23:40, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Eavesdropping is fine by me, Dhaluza sounds like the person for the job.  Acroterion  (talk)  02:56, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have added 2 refs to GLO, one is the actual text of the actual law from the Library of Congress website. If that is not "solid" enough, I don't know what is. Permission to remove the tags from the top of article? And I will check out WP Geology -Thanks Marcia Wright (talk) 22:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Har.
 * You don't need any permission from me - I think those refs are fine, so remove away.  Acroterion  (talk)  23:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not a geologist, but I do know that you probably can't identify a rock formation just from a picture. The photos at Marcellus Formation were based on matching locations and descriptions from published sources (see Talk:Marcellus Formation). You are probably better off doing the research, then taking the pictures, rather than the other way around. Dhaluza (talk) 14:38, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Insomnia
Hi there. I think you accidentally created a redirect on Insomnia to itself while you were deleting Insomina. I fixed it already, so just FYI. justinfr (talk) 19:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Argh. You're right, thanks for catching it and fixing it.   Acroterion  (talk)  19:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Blocking
Hi, I noticed some vandalism on a page I was watching by an IP you have blocked in the past and they already have a warning from a couple of days ago. I'm not clear on the Wikipedia blocking policy, but I believe they're supposed to be blocked now. Copana2002 (talk) 21:18, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll keep an eye on the articles - I've given them a final warning. They've been inserting negative information on Indian actresses in violation of BLP policy.    Acroterion  (talk)  21:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

User talk:David Tombe
Just a notice, I upped your block of this user to indef for block evasion. See the bottom of his talk page for more info. Mr.Z-man 00:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've blocked, who I'd been watching for activity. I'd been thinking of asking for a checkuser on TCW: now it would probably be wise to do a sock sweep.   Acroterion  (talk)  00:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I asked Thatcher to do a quick check after User:86.141.250.177 posted to my talk page to confirm the block evasion, the 2 users I blocked and listed (and the IP) were the only ones he found (George Smyth XI was probably stale). Mr.Z-man 02:00, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought - finding D Tombe without a checkuser and no edits would have been pretty impressive. I was afraid the early socks were stale, so we'll just have to watch out. Thanks for the check.   Acroterion  (talk)  02:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Ouvrage Col de Restefond and Ouvrage Restefond
Do the Ouvrage Col de Restefond and the Ouvrage Restefond refer to the same structures or are they different? Is there any possibility that you could add co-ordinnates to these articles? Cheers --Bikeroo (talk) 16:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * They are different places, the O. Restefond near the town and the O. Col de Restofond up the hill. Unfortunately, I have no precise location, and as I recall the Google Earth imagery stinks for that area, so I can't pick them out.  I'll give the official French imagery site - [www.geoportail.fr] - a look and see if I can discern the ouvrages - they're fairly distinctive once you've seen some, although this sort of thing strays into OR.   Acroterion  (talk)  16:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I take that back - there's no real town. I've added the coordinates of the "ancien blokhaus" at the col itself.  There's another one about 600m to the south that's probably Restefond itself, as it's larger, but I'm not confident enough to mark it.   Acroterion  (talk)  17:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * According to, Restefond is 200m north of the Col de la Bonette, which is correct for the image, so I'm tagging it with coorinates.  Acroterion  (talk)  17:11, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting that out - that tallies with the two sites on the IGN map at. Cheers. --Bikeroo (talk) 21:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

CraovaWoW
I just wanted to let ppl know that there is a WoW Server that uses a free emulator to recreate the oficials server from World of Warcraft. I don`t know how many ppl in your country can spend some money playing this game, but I know that here, in Romania, to pay for 1 month that game is a normal montly wage. And sry for the spam.. i was editing it ... it`s my first time in here. Enjoy & good night. B`bye :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by CraiovaWoW (talk • contribs) 02:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Replied on your talkpage.   Acroterion  (talk)  15:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

DAMM Cellular
Dear Sirs,

We are trying to support you with information reg. DAMM Cellular Systems A/S as a TETRA supplier in line with other worldwide TETRA providers but we cant submit the text which has been added.

My e-mail adress is KAK@DAMM.dk and i am area manager from the company DAMM Cellular Systems. Please respond to this e-mail ASAP.

Best regards,

Khaled —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khaled2007 (talk • contribs) 13:21, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Replied on your talkpage.  Acroterion  (talk)  15:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

No response necessary/just want to make sure it went somewhere
August 2007 - August 2008 - There was a weird misplaced WP:ARCHIVE dumped here. Did it get duplicated prior to deletion? If not, it might have to be restored and moved to prevent the loss of those comments, or, at the very least, the archiving process undone at the original talk page. I'm sure you did, but just in case - MrZaius  talk  16:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I didn't put it somewhere also, since it should always be available via the relevant page history: archives of that sort only get lost if they're moved, which this wasn't. I'll check, though.    Acroterion  (talk)  16:58, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion
why won't you let me add this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Woodland107 (talk • contribs) 02:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has requirements for the notability of people who are included. Normally a high school track coach or teacher would not meet notability requirements.  We also require verifiability, normally in the form of multiple references in independent media.  Regards,   Acroterion  (talk)  02:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
For the explanation, and the good work. Much appreciated. Cheers, JNW (talk) 17:59, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Why Did You Delete My Page?
Hey, Acroterion- I created a page called "TraderPlanet" earlier today, only to come back and find it was deleted by you. It was given the "speedy deletion" tag, and I want to know what, exactly, is the reasoning behind it? If it isn't "newsworthy", then why? It took a long time to get all of the citations and such ready and formatted correctly- I saved the copy and all, and I will repost as soon as I have the reason behind the deletion.

Second off, this is a community website- information should be edited- not deleted outright without a specific reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fullerba (talk • contribs) 04:53, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * All submissions of this kind must comply with requirements for notability, and particularly for web-based content: yours gave no indication that it was, in fact, notable. Given that it is less than a month old and in beta, this is not surprising. The article has been deleted three times by three different administrators for this reason. You also appear to have a conflict of interest: writing about yourself or an organization in which you are involved is strongly discouraged, since it is hard to maintain an appropriate level of objectivity. You should have multiple references in independent media (not press releases, but genuine articles) documenting notability, without referring back to the organization's own media. Extensive resumes of the management team are inappropriate as well, unless those individuals are themselves worthy of their own articles, meeting the same criteria mentioned above.
 * Finally, Wikipedia is not a community website, hosting service, bulletin board or means of promotion. It is an encyclopedia, and we require submissions to meet specific standards for verifiability, objectivity and encyclopedic content. An objective, non-promotional article on your organization is welcome if and when it reaches our standards of notability, but it does not appear to do so at this time. TraderPlanet is very new: give it time.   Acroterion  (talk)  13:02, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, Acoterion. I don't really see what makes your opinion more valid than mine, but someone at Wikipedia made you an admin, I'll wait it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fullerba (talk • contribs) 01:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not my opinion: it's Wikipedia policy.  Acroterion  (talk)  01:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for misunderstanding
I was actually trying to revert vandalism on the article DJ kahld or whatever it was. i didnt see that it said he was one of the worst artists or whatever. i have since reverted it to the original. ZXS9465 (talk) 02:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we just collided - it happens now and then. Sorry about the template warning (since removed) and happy editing!   Acroterion  (talk)  02:09, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * its all cool. ZXS9465 (talk) 02:18, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

mother/father deletion
Hello, I was hoping that you could instruct me on how to have this page appear so it could be included in Wikipedia and that you felt it was worthy of inclusion. This newer artist is of local significance in the independent music community. I am a music professional and I am involved in their career as a producer/manager. Thank you for your time.

THELBT (talk) 11:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)thelbt


 * You should read WP:MUSIC, which gives guidelines for notability standards for musicians in Wikipedia. "Local significance" is unlikely to be sufficient for inclusion. The article itself appeared to be a quote from a review (and therefore a copyright violation), and was not encyclopedic.  You appear to have a conflict of interest: please understand that Wikipedia is not a place for the creation of notability or for promotion.  WP:MUSIC will give you a clear understanding of whether a sound article can be created - I couldn't tell from the initial article if this was possible.  Regards,   Acroterion  (talk)  17:04, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. I do want to use this resource properly and in no way want to have a conflict of interest with Wikipedia.

--THELBT (talk) 02:54, 2 September 2008 (UTC)THELBT

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My page 'Bulcamp Oddity' was deleted by you. This is meant to be a community, if you have a problem with any of my pages then speak to me first. There I am researching and putting together info and I come back to my page and it's gone. Terrible. Leave things alone. All items on the page were factual and it was only because I ran out of time that things were not quite as I would have liked them. Lanesra68 (talk) 23:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I did not delete the article: I liked it and left you an encouraging note, explaining that it was a copyright violation and liable to be deleted if you did not re-write it. So you can't claim you weren't consulted or warned. Since you took no further action, another admin deleted it.  Acroterion  (talk)  01:05, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Nathalie Dupree; Jack Bass
Thanks for letting me know -- I'll rewrite and edit both mine and Jacks. Thanks for touching in. Nathalie Dupree —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathalie Dupree (talk • contribs) 19:39, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Nathalie Dupree; Jack Bass
Thanks for letting me know -- I'll rewrite and edit both mine and Jacks. Thanks for touching in. Nathalie Dupree 19:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

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Ed Kalnins
Barak Obama's pastor is mentined by name and description on the Barak Obama page, and there is a link to Reverend Wright. No such name, description, or link exists on the Sarah Palin Wikipedia page. That is pretty odd!

If there is no conspiracy, why does Wasilla Assembly of God on Wikipedia's Sarah Palin page go to a page other than the Wasilla Assembly of God page on Wikipedia? Try it. And editing is not allowed.

The Ed Kalnins sermon quotes that are creating the cable news controversy were explicitly referenced, including links to actual videotapes of him saying these things on his own web site.

It is interesting that  while anyone in the country knows who Barak Obamas pastor is, and what he said, Wikipedia will not allow any reference to Ed Kalnins on Sarah Palin's webpage, Wikipedia has a FAKE link for Wasilla Assembly of God on Palin's Wikipedia page, and it is impossible to find out the name of Palin's FORMER pastor (called "Sarah Palin's Pastor" on cable news) from her site on Wikipedia, and even if you know his name, you can not find out what his controversial quotes are, even when referenced by links to actual recordings.

Finally, I am a masthematician and logician, formerly at Stanford for eleven years. The expression "Sarah Palin's Pastor" is used all over, without reference to the name Ed Kalnins, and he is not Sarah Palin's Pastor. In mathematics and logic, if an expression with the appearance of a description such as X's A is not X's A, but has a unique referent, then the expression X's A is a name, not a description. Sarah Palin's Pastor does not refer to her pastor, but to her former pastor, and is therefore a name. At least there should be a referal to Ed Kalnins.

Kalnins is not allowed to be referenced on the supposed encyclopedia page on Palin (who was nominated almost 100% for her appeal to religeous groups), and that Palins page has a phony link for Wasilla Assembly of God. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EricDiesel (talk • contribs) 00:42, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've found in both real life and Wikipedia that if a number of people are telling me I'm doing something wrong, then it would be productive to examine what I might be doing wrong, rather than assuming that there's a conspiracy to thwart me.
 * With respect to Sarah Palin's pastor, we are working on an encyclopedia. I really don't think that there's a place in an encyclopedia for a man with no name, with one possible exception. If this person becomes noteworthy in the mainstream press, he will acquire a name and a story in verifiable, reliable media, which we can proceed to document in an orderly, referenced, encyclopedic manner. Until then, it's just opinions and speculation, which have no place here.
 * The link to a church on the Palin page is not phony, merely generic. Perhaps if you point out on Talk:Sarah Palin that there's an article, a consensus will develop to change the reference. Just be aware that Sarah Palin's the hottest place on Wikipedia right now, and not for the faint of heart. However, the article on the church appears to be based on hearsay, and is not of an appropriate standards right now for a link, in my opinion.
 * With respect to Kalnins, he has a name, and is subject to Wikipedia's policies on biographies of living persons, which means that everything about him must be referenced and verifiable. No innuendo, opinions, or positions not backed up by ironclad references. He may not in fact be notable by Wikipedia's standards: that is presently being debated at Articles for deletion/Ed Kalnins (which is the place you should be making your case, not claiming conspiracies at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Ed Kalnins, its (usually unused) talkpage}.
 * The "supposed encyclopedia page" on Palin is, as I've noted, the most heavily edited page on Wikipedia right now, by a mile. I've seen partisanship from both directions: there are no whitewashes.  Some nastiness has been deleted with respect to her daughter, which is appropriate. I doubt anything of substance is getting past the editors there.
 * Which brings me to my conclusion: Wikipedia is not a battleground, a place for the revelation of Truth, or a theater of political operations. It is an encyclopedia.  The facts are for others to reveal.  We merely document, and it looks like you're ahead of the documentation curve.  That is what you're doing wrong.  Wait a few days, and I suspect there will be material if there's any substance in what you're trying to say.  The articles on John McCain, Joseph Biden and Barack Obama have been years in the making.  Palin's received very little attention, and it's now being compressed into some very concentrated editing. Give it time, and don't use Wikipedia as a vehicle for Truth.    Acroterion  (talk)  02:34, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, now Wasilla Bible Church is claiming Palin as a congregant.  Acroterion  (talk)  03:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the update on Kroon and Wasilla Bible Church. I am a mathematician formerly at Stanford and all three of my first Wikipedia articles were deleted without my being allowed to edit them.

Mark Silva, White House correspondent for The Chicago Tribune, writes that “Kalnins has preached that critics of Bush will be banished to Hell, questioned if people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to Heaven, charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and Iraq were part of a war ‘contending for your faith’; and that Jesus ‘operated from that position of war mode’.”

This language is almost identical to the portions deleted from my final edit of my article, only without the direct quotes supporting the summary. http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/palins_past_pastor_bushfoes_he.html#more

I am puzzled how Larry Kroon is considered notable, yet Ed Kalnins is about to be deleted for not being notable, despite over a thousand web pages mentioning him appearing in less than three days. Worse, the quotes I meticulously garnered from his own video posts of his sermons, were all deleted by nameless people from unknown places and qualifications.EricDiesel (talk) 04:56, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You continue to misunderstand Wikipedia's policies on original research and synthesis, as well as possibly soapboxing. We don't post material to Wikipedia by "meticulously garnering from video posts": we cite verifiable published sources with a reputation for fact-checking: the Chicago Tribune (for instance) is such an organization. You must avoid original research, which is not what an encyclopedia publishes. Encyclopedias document mainstream thought as previously published elsewhere.
 * The chief issue is that you put up articles that were perhaps a couple of days ahead of their time, with poor sourcing or even about a nameless person, with an incomplete understanding of Wikipedia's sourcing and biography policies, on a topic where many, many people are trying to use for political advantage, and where some people have posted frankly false or libelous information. Given that, all Palin-related posts are under a microscope. Where information on living individuals is concerned, Wikipedia policy is strict and harsh.  I don't think you fully appreciate this.
 * The article Sarah Palin's pastor was poorly sourced, negative in tone and inappropriately named. Blogs are unacceptable sources, and it doesn't matter how many web hits there are on Mr. Kalnins, the only ones that matter are those of reliable sources.  The Huffington Post, entertaining though it may be, is not a Reliable Source, nor are Drudge, Little Green Footballs or the Daily Kos. You seem to have a clear political motive in writing about Kalnins, which is also inappropriate.  The "nameless people" who deleted the article (three times!) are, myself, and , all of whom are experienced editors authorized, qualified and expected to deal expeditiously with inappropriate content.
 * The inclusion of Ed Kalnins is presently being debated: your opinion and participation are welcome. You should read and understand WP:COATRACK, which is being mentioned in the debate. You have dived headfirst into an area where experienced editors fear to tread with an apparent agenda to make a political point: you should not be surprised to receive scrutiny.   Acroterion  (talk)  11:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I cited the number of web pages and hits on Google because one of the administrators or editors expressly cited their inability to find any as evidence for deletion.

1. Why is Wasilla Assembly of God deleting information on itself, as WasillaAG, on the page for Wasilla Assembly of God? When a pastor makes controversial remarks about Bush, Kerry, etc., why should there be a balance with other remarks, if the other remarks are not controversial?
 * Why don't you ask them? Keep in mind that notability is not inherited: an individual or organization is not notable simply because of association with someone who is (i.e. family members, churches, etc.).  Every article on a person or organization must establish notability on its own. "Balance" in the sense you seem to imply is not required: the article should reflect the views of the mainstream press in the same proportion.

2. Here is another mainstream report from The New Jersey Times of Trenton: According to Robert Stern of The New Jersey Times of Trenton reports that “The Rev. Ed Kalnins had no way of knowing he'd become a controversial figure in this year's presidential race when he left his West Amwell congregation nine years ago to preach in a sister church in Alaska.” Stern also writes that “Since taking his sermons to Alaska, Kalnins has preached that critics of President George Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted into heaven...” http://www.nj.com/news/times/index.ssf?/base/news-5/1220414733189230.xml&coll=5
 * OK. As I said, it will take a few days for information to appear, and longer for it to make sense.  This is not a news reporting site, and it is dangerous to try to reflect current events in an encyclopedia article.  I have no opinion on the notability of the church at this point - that is the subject of a current debate in which you are welcome to participate, citing this sort of information.

3. I heard about the Huffington Post article on the web, and wanted to confirm it, so I went to Wikipedia. I did my own research because I could not find anything on Wikipedia. There is almost no information on the matrix in which Palin evolved available on Wikipedia or anywhere, which is why she was chosen. By assisting with delaying information, Wikipedia would be directly facilitating a political strategy that has been explicitly accused of existing on cable news. If Wikipedia deletes the controversial quotes, and links to where the Huffington Post quotes can be verified, it is participating in the information freze political strategy. 17:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So you believe that an encyclopedia should adopt a partisan stance by rapidly reporting unverified information before it's had time to develop in the mainstream press? It's clear that you have an agenda to discredit Palin.  Others have agendas to discredit Obama.  Neither has been countenanced on Wikipedia. Nobody claims either article is perfect, but they are the product of the consensus of the editors involved in those articles, always with Wikipedia requirements for neutral point of view, biographies of living persons, verifiability, etc.  Really, you need to read and understand these concepts: they are not optional features of editing here.   Acroterion  (talk)  19:18, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Miss Nepal Hong Kong
Hello!!

Please look into this article,Miss Nepal Hong Kong. I was little confused "Should I nominate it for deletion or not?". In fact, the links in this article redirects to non-english sites and notability may not have been asserted properly. It tries to say that winner of this competition joins national beauty pageant competition, however, my research on this says that it is completely untrue.

Since, you are an online administrator, Kindly give a look to this article.

Thank you for your time.

Hitro 18:01, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm confused too. I don't see any context, and I'd have no objection if you nominated it for deletion.   Acroterion  (talk)  18:16, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Since you're in contact with the initial author, you might want to ask him /her for clarification.   Acroterion  (talk)  18:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I think, I should take it to AfD for better consensus. The Initial contributor is blocked under sock-puppetry so i think it is useless to contact him/her. Your view is welcomed at AfD. However, thanks again. Hitro 18:45, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Miley Cyrus Death Hoax
As I stated when I put it back in, I feel there is a legitimate notability in mentioning it. I did not put it back in to be a jerk but because I saw there was nothing on the talk page about it nor in the article, and I brought up a question of notability. I respect what people are trying to do, but at the very least I would appreciate a discussion about it. Anakinjmt (talk) 14:19, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * On a side note, who is 4chan? It was User:Kww that removed it, not a user named "4chan"? Anakinjmt (talk) 14:20, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There was no "legitimate topic" to discuss: we were being trolled. 4chan has been the source and means of coordination of numerous attacks and hoaxes aimed at Wikipedia, including emulators of our friend Gr@wp. The 4chan folks inserted it: Kww removed it, appropriately. Acroterion  (talk)  14:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay then. That does help, however can't there be a possibility of notability because it was picked up on be mainstream media? I realize this may be a bit of a stretch, but I'm not sure it's so much of a stretch that it's not notable. It's not like it was just picked up on by TMZ or E!. At least one major news source (Fox News) picked up on it. I'm not saying it should have a whole paragraph. Two sentences at most, and edits to Wikipedia have been deemed noteworthy in the past (first example that comes to mind is an edit made to the Chris Benoit article about his wife dying two days before her body and Benoit's and their son's were found at their home. I realize it's not exactly the same situation, but isn't it close enough? On another note, I am well aware of 3RR and was not planning on putting it back without first having at the very least some guarentee of a legitimate conversation regarding a notability of it, something which, based on your warning (which I personally feel was not necessary and slightly annoying but can deal with it) I'm assuming you are an admin of some sort. Anakinjmt (talk) 14:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for understanding: it falls into a level of circular notoriety-making that Wikipedia shouldn't let itself be involved in. We have vandals trying to make news using Wikipedia to their own ends.  It's also an unsourced hoax that violates BLP policy, and as such, isn't countenanced.  Enforcement of BLP violations has recently become quite strict and, frankly, harsh.  Admins are directed to squelch this sort of thing immediately. There could be no legitimate conversation about what was, in fact, a vandal attack that was picked up by the media.  In any case it's ephemera, self-referential, and ultimately has nothing to do with the subject.
 * I'll take the 3RR notice off your talk page.  Acroterion  (talk)  14:43, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated. I like to think that I don't purposefully come across as a troll of some sort, and I'm always trying to understand the policies (of which there are many). One final question: what if multiple news sources pick up on it? Not that I'm in the know (as I'm certainly not), but would it be more notable then? Anakinjmt (talk) 14:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't compare it to Chris Benoit, which in my opinion is a legitimate case of an aspect of Wikipedia creating the news and meriting inclusion. There was never any Cyrus accident, but Benoit was, in fact, dead. This really has nothing to do with Miley Cyrus, who was merely the means to a hoax: it has more to do with Wikipedia making the news.  Where or whether that belongs, I don't know, but we try not to indulge in too much ephemera.   Acroterion  (talk)  14:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Flat Gillig
Flat gillig is real and a phenomenon about to be present over the world. Somehow the Flat Stanley is allowed, but Flat Gillig isn't? Gillig is ten times the 2-d person that Stanley is. There are a bunch of websites devoted to him and he has already appeared and many sporting events. Respect the Flat Gillig Project.


 * Then provide appropriate references documenting this notability in reputable, independent third-party media. A bunch of photobucket pictures won't do.  A plain, factual encyclopedia article rather than what was eligible for deletion as nonsense, non-notability, promotion or lack of context is what's needed. You appear to be using Wikipedia to promote your meme.   Acroterion  (talk)  02:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I linked pictures of Flat GILLIG to College Gameday on ESPN (not notable or reputable enough?) and a video of Flat GILLIG on ESPN2 (seriously? ESPN not good enough? Worldwide leader in sports doesn't make the cut?). Its nonsense because you're not familiar with the Rivals.com mainboard. If you started talking architecture to me, I would think it nonsense because I'm not familiar with it because I'm not an architect. You say it isn't notable. But if you like I can have the Rivals.com mainboard flood your user talk page with support for Flat GILLIG. Rivals.com has over 75,000 members, probably a lot more but I'm being conservative. There is NO PROMOTION, it is simply to inform people about Flat GILLIG, where he's been and who he's been with. It is also to tell of the birth of Flat GILLIG and because it involves people and things that you don't understand, you feel it is nonsense. I simply provided details about the origin of Flat GILLIG, history of the original person he is based on, and the goal of Flat GILLIG. Whats wrong with that? Tune into College Gameday live this weekend and I bet you see his giant form plastered all over the screen. People will wonder who it is, and don't you want Wikipedia to have the answer? Synyster Omega (talk) 03:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC) Syn

Edit to add more info to my argument...

The Flat GILLIG Files

A Brief History: Flat GILLIG Hysteria goes National

Flat GILLIG has appeared on both ESPN and ESPN2, along with Rivals.com and its affiliate sites. There are independent websites devoted completely to the GILLIG phenomenom, as well as a concerted effort, known as "The Flat GILLIG Project" to get Flat GILLIG's photo outside all NCAA Division 1A stadiums and the effort is well underway already. For more information on Flat GILLIG and the "Flat GILLIG Project", follow this link: CLICK HERE

http://mainboarders.com/Flat_Gillig.php

-Media statistics

Rivals.com has over 200,000 members and is owned buy Yahoo!, one of the world's largest internet/technology companies.

ESPN, along with ABC, is owned by Walt Disney Co., one of America's largest entertainment and resort companies.

-GILLIG's web appearances

YouTube, the internet's most popular video sharing website, boasts multiple videos of Flat GILLIG's televised appearances.

Rivals.com, a division of Yahoo!, and its affiliate sites is home of GILLIG's largest fanbase.

Mainboarders.com: http://mainboarders.com/Flat_Gillig.php

FlatGILLIG.com: http://flatgillig.com/

Televised Appearances

Flat GILLIG has appeared on multiple notable televised sporting events including:

The NBA playoffs,

NCAA CollegeGameday on ESPN,

and NCAA basketball games on ESPN 2. Synyster Omega (talk) 04:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC) SYN


 * Once again, it is clear that your intention is to use Wikipedia as a means of promotion: "a concerted effort, known as "The Flat GILLIG Project" to get Flat GILLIG's photo outside all NCAA Division 1A stadiums and the effort is well underway already". Simply because something's appeared on TV does not make it notable: it must receive notice in reputable third-party media.  Can you provide three references in newspapers or similar media of national standing with a reputation for fact-checking? If so, you might have something.  Please read WP:V and WP:NOTE.  These are requirements for all articles. Web boards, "dedicated websites" and blogs and the like are not reliable sources for Wikipedia content. The credibility of the original article was not improved by the nonsensical tone and general lack of context and coherence.   Acroterion  (talk)  11:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, "I can have the Rivals.com mainboard flood your user talk page with support for Flat GILLIG" is inappropriate and will result in blocks and article protection against creation for spamming. I advise you to follow Wikipedia requirements for referencing, writing style and verifiability.  You are free to create the article again in a sandbox in your userspace, where it can be developed and reviewed by other editors before posting to article space.   Acroterion  (talk)  11:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Flat GILLIG
Acroterion,

You deleted my Flat GILLIG page because of "blatant advertising". Please explain to me where and how it is doing this so I may fix it.

Synyster Omega Synyster Omega (talk) 01:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

My page
Wth. i was working on that?! How come you decide wether its worth it or not... it's a greek god btw... look it up (i changed it to his american name) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DewyMcMellon (talk • contribs) 03:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it is vandalism. You will be blocked if you re-create it.   Acroterion  (talk)  11:41, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism Revert
Thankyou for the vandalism revert. I am not yet an admin. yet, so I cannot block these vandals. -entertainU (talk) 00:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Xandscape
i was wondering why you deleted my page on the private server xandscape? i put the hangon thing so it DIDN'T get deleted and guess what! you deleted it.

Sugababes single Girls deletion of the writers name
Hi

I keep noticing that you keep deleting my name (Nicole Jenkinson) from the list of writers when i am the legal and publishered co writer for this song that the sugababes have performed. After checking the Wikipedia guidlines i realize i cannot write about myself but i am the legal writer on this song and MUST NOT be deleted from the list of writers.

Please inform me if this is not able to be put right as i will need to seek advice from my publisher and music lawyer about the false information given on the artical regarding the writers.

Many thanks --DoreenRay (talk) 18:26, 13 September 2008 (UTC)--DoreenRay (talk) 18:26, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The article was deleted because it did not conform to Wikipedia's standards for new articles about individuals: please review WP:MUSIC for notability standards for musicians. It has nothing to do with you, particularly, there was just no indication or supporting information asserting notability in accordance with Wikipedia requirements. The words "up and coming" are almost always an indication that the individual is not yet notable. Wikipedia is not a place to establish notability: it merely documents pre-existing notability. You will need to provide references in multiple independent media to document your notability: see WP:V. Please understand that nobody has a right to inclusion or credit in Wikipedia, and that your publisher or lawyer cannot demand that you be included or credited. You may wish to review WP:NLT concerning legal threats.   Acroterion  (talk)  18:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no reason you can't note yourself as the writer in the song's article. We get a lot of kids taking credit for someone else's work, so backup is vital to ensure that the right person gets the credit. For an article solely about you, we would expect a lengthier article mentioning other work, and providing references.
 * However, you have previously blanked the articles for Heidi Range, Keisha Buchanan and Amelle Berrabah, which we treat as vandalism. Why would you do that?    Acroterion  (talk)  19:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

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Geez, gimme half a minute to template the guy, wouldja?
Sheesh... Half Shadow  03:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Which guy was that?  Acroterion  (talk)  03:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh geez..I forget. Oh yeah... User:Zlot641. Tagged the article and *ping!*, it's gone. Strong coffee? Half  Shadow  03:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No caffeine at all, just cranky.   Acroterion  (talk)  03:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't blame you. Hell, all I do is watchdog and sometimes it can be a pain. You have buttons. Half  Shadow  03:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Buttons help greatly with draining the swamp, which is getting a bit deep tonight. I'm cranky for work-related reasons: this seems more productive, but I need to sign off in a few minutes and get some sleep.  Acroterion  (talk)  03:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Blanking
Im sorry I over reacted it will NEVER happen again Rayman 1110 (talk) 03:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

advertising
so can i advertise on my user page?Rayman 1110 (talk) 03:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No, you may not "advertise" at all on Wikipedia, but appropriate links to your personal interests or projects may be placed on your userpage, as long as they're not overtly promotional in nature - we allow more discretion in userspace.   Acroterion  (talk)  11:19, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

EntertainU
Thankyou for blocking me. I will now make constuctive edits to wikipedia, and not use it as a chat service. If this seems like a lie to you, you may monitor my edits and changes to wikipedia. If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact me. I'm on the computer for most of the day. entertainU (talk) 22:50, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't think you owe me thanks for blocking you, but we are all here to build an encyclopedia, not to chat. Happy editing -   Acroterion  (talk)  23:39, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

penis
penis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobsacket67u (talk • contribs)
 * Excellent! You know a critically important word in everyday discourse, useful in practically any situation. Congratulations!    Acroterion  (talk)  23:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Huzzah for the penis! It has a thousand and one uses: you can use it to urinate, masturbate, pound nails into a wall, and lure sharks!  You can even use it to reproduce your genes, but only if you have good enough manners to persuade a lady to assist you. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 23:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You can even let it do your thinking for you!  Acroterion  (talk)  00:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Due to crazy random happenstance, I came across this message, and felt it necessary to inform you that your responses made me smile, which was a much needed thing today. Cheers. lol Pip (talk) 16:48, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hurrah for serendipity! Glad we could help out. Cheers,   Acroterion  (talk)  16:51, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

User talk:69.116.234.206
Regarding these vandalism warnings, I didn't mean to change the warning intentionally. I added my warning, but must have missed the one you added. A more serious warning is better anyway. Mpvide65 (talk) 17:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought. I generally give overtly racist vandals only one chance at reform.   Acroterion  (talk)  17:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

RE-POST AARON NO ONE
THE REASONING THAT A PERSON IS NOT FAMOUS ENOUGH IS AN ARBITRARY OPINION OF AN ADMINISTRATOR.

I REQUEST THAT "AARON NO ONE" BE RE-POSTED FOR IT'S CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE IN THE LOS ANGELES AND NEW YORK AREA AND RELATION TO THE ISRAEL CONSULATE GENERAL AS WELL AS THE JEWISH ARTIST NETWORK, A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION, AND THE COMBINED COMMUNITY AND INTERNATIONAL CONTRIBUTIONS OF EACH OF THESE ENTITIES.

IN ADDITION THE ARTISTIC WORKS OF AARON NO ONE ARE CATALOGED CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE ART WORLD. IN THE STYLE OF ABSTRACT MINIMALISM, WHICH IS DEFINED BY WIKI REFERENCS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Exitnoone1 (talk • contribs) 02:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * First, don't shout.
 * Second, it was deleted as advertising. There were no references to third-party publications documenting this artist, and the article was written in a promotional tone, complete with contact information, which is inappropriate.  Thus, the deletion.  A referenced article, written in a neutral, non-promotional manner, may very well be welcome.  As it stood, it was unencyclopedic advertising.    Acroterion  (talk)  02:49, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

User:Rconklin2011
Account is being used for vandalism only. Multiple warnings given. --Terrillja (talk) 15:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup, blocked. Thanks,   Acroterion  (talk)  15:31, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Charlotte Ronson Article
Why did you delete the original article, because no reason was given except for that the article was requested for deletion. I'd like an explanation...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theydiskox (talk • contribs) 03:05, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It was blanked by the original author, on the second edit, valid grounds for an uncontroversial delete.  I see you've created it anew, which appears to be perfectly fine.  Is there a problem?   Acroterion  (talk)  03:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The original article consisted in its entirety of: "Charlotte Ronson is the twin sister of DJ Samantha Ronson. She is the sister of music producer, Mark Ronson, daughter of Ann Dexter-Jones and Laurence Ronson. She lives in NYC and is a model." Hardly a substantial article, or one which indicates that the subject is notable.   Acroterion  (talk)  03:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Apologies. A few days ago I wrote the article with mostly the same information that I just recently re-added and the deletion log said that you had deleted it. Apparently, it was my own fault and I never posted it in the first place! So again, apologies for blaming you for my own mistake. Theydiskox (talk) 03:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem: I will note that the article has been deleted before for copyright problems, so you should make sure there are no issues of that kind.  Acroterion  (talk)  03:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Umm, the image: you say "(Charlotte Ronson Jean Baptiste Lacroix/Wireimage)" in the permissions. Did you take the picture, or did it come from another source?    Acroterion  (talk)  03:23, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I responded on my own page, however since you posed the question on both your own and my talk pages, I suppose I should respond on this page as well. No, the image is not my own, however I was unsure of what to tag the picture is (although the tag I did use didn't say it was my own personal picture.) I gave credit where credit was due, i.e. Jean Baptiste Lacroix/Wireimage.Theydiskox (talk) 04:00, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Rename EricDiesel to Tautologist
Re- Rename- Thanks.
 * I have three additinal questions
 * 1- How do I notify someone that I left a message in a new section of their talk page, or is a notification automatically generated to them?
 * I've used the }} template with success - I think it's been used on you talkpage by a few users.
 * 2- Where is the grammar and syntax info located regarding Wiki word processors, and mathematical or other symbols?
 * If you use WP:wikED, you can pick formatting off the menus. I find it annoying, but you can enable it under user preferences, gadgets. Help:Wikitext examples has a lot of information concerning wikitext with links to other places. There's also Help:Editing. You should have a bar of menu items at the top of the edit window that will help with formatting in any case: it starts with bold.
 * 3- How do I know a question is answered for a single talk page section, without putting a general watch on the whole talk page, like this one? EricDiesel (talk) 16:23, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know of a way to add only a page section to a watchlist - it's a pretty crude tool that asks the user to do most of the filtering.
 * Hope this helps.   Acroterion  (talk)  17:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Thnx Tautologist (talk) 17:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I coulndt read "The %#@*&! servers seem to be borked", since my reading ability is borken, my having dylesxia (my wonderful ex-girlfriend had real dylesxia so bad she really accidentally coined that word). How do I "register" User:EricDiesel, as it redirects to User:Tautologist?  Tautologist (talk) 18:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Go to Special:UserLogin/signup and sign up like you originally did. Just keep in mind that the old account should be claimed and then left alone.
 * Bork, bork, bork. Makes me think of The Swedish Chef, who was apparently really said Bort! I've been ignorant for 40 years, and now I'm corrected by Wikipedia. You say borten, I say borken.    Acroterion  (talk)  19:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

McCain
I created a one sentence story "McCain calls for friday debate delay" at Wikinews, but it is not showing up on the general news. Did I make an error? Tautologist (talk) 19:38, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no idea - I've never participated over there. I'm not certain I even have an account.   Acroterion  (talk)  20:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

UnionBS
would you rather I delete the Board of director's letter...I though it was helpful... —Preceding unsigned comment added by UnionBS (talk • contribs)

Article San Gabriel Timberland Reserve
I have rewritten this piece, still need work under history,but it is better than it was. My question is: what Wikiproject would it fall under? It kind of fits into public land legislation and history of US geography and protected areas, etc. I can't find a comparable article that has a project banner for guidance about this. Please respond on my talk page. Best Regards, Marcia Wright (talk) 17:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:WikiProject Protected areas would be my guess, but only because I participate there. It is much better now, although I take issue with idea that forests aren't herded: haven't you heard of the Shepherds of the Trees? Acroterion (talk) 17:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If there isn't a Wikipedia article about it, it doesn't exist. -FisherQueen (talk ·contribs) 17:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Piped links can make anything exist.   Acroterion  (talk)  18:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Rofl !! And thank you for the compliment. I put the PA banner on the talk page, and went to look for the article on next reserve established after San Gabriel which was the huge Sierra Forest Reserve, and guess what? Nada.
 * (groan) Can I get a $700 billion dollar bailout too for my work on Wikipedia???? ;) Marcia Wright (talk) 17:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, since the articles on Blue and Sun are written, we have to work harder to be pioneers in new articles.   Acroterion  (talk)  18:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Scrucker
Why did you delete this immediately before I even got to edit the page content? This is not a joke, this is a legit word for many people who attend school at SIUE, SWIC, and high schools in the area of the suburbs of St.Louis, and also many different families and age groups. This word is used in over 4 counties in Illinois (Madison,Macoupin, Montgomery, St. Clair). It is also used in Missouri and Tennessee to this point and will never be allowed in a dictionary unless it gets more exposure. Please allow this page to be made —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdgotc (talk • contribs) 02:22, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Wikipedia is not a dictionary, it's an encyclopedia.
 * 2) Wikipedia is not for "exposure". Come back when the word has currency.
 * 3) Sources, please.
 * 3) "Over 4 counties?"   Acroterion  (talk)  02:25, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

It's a word that was invented and spread, just like every other word in the English language started. Get off your power trip, it's not a big deal to you because it is foreign to you. I love your list by the way, and if its not like a dictionary, what happens when you type the word "hunger" answer that for me.

edit: some portions of the site do exist like a dictionary


 * Again, sources? Three articles in independent media with a reputation for fact checking? And somehow

"Scrucker" is of similar stature to the concept of Hunger? There is a difference between an encyclopedia and a dictionary.  Acroterion  (talk)  02:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Of course, your genius missed the point of my example, you enter in a search on wikipedia for any item and it gives a description of what your looking for, come on now, actually think about it. Not scrucker being similiar to hunger, its what the site does for any word. "Sources?" I told you it was an invented word created in the midwest, you want CNN to publish a story about it or what, how can you source something new? How do you source an adjective(that my friend is a description of someone)?Did someone have to source the word "time" (seriously think about how someone described this when it was first idealized, how could you source that?) I am correct in this matter, it just seems youve alreay made up your mind. I plead for open-mindedness and unbias, I'm really not trying to argue for something to do, many people want to make a page for this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdgotc (talk • contribs) 02:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Invented word? Read Wikipedia is not for things you made up one day.
 * Verifiabilty? Read Verifiability. This is a non-negotiable Wikipedia policy. Time has 51 references and a bibliography.
 * If CNN has published a story about it, that would be wonderful, because that's exactly the kind of sourcing we like.
 * Wikipedia is not a place to create notability or to promote a neologism.   Acroterion  (talk)  02:58, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Here is a thought, maybe time has that many references and a bibliography because it's been around forever, again you miss the point, I was talking about when spread of the word and its meaning was manifesting. CNN did not publish a story about scrucker, but you already knew that. We did not make this up in one day, the spread has taken place over years, (5 if you want a number). I'm sorry that the creation of this page would bother you so much, way to flex your digital muscle! Your the WikiGod, congratulations!


 * Have you read the submission requirements I provided? They are requirements. Not debatable. If and when there are verifable sources, the word is welcome. Language changes, and instances of new words are welcome, provided you cite sources in compliance with our editing requirements. We get all kinds of articles on all sorts of nonsense, and much of it gets deleted - about 1000 articles a day. How else are we to maintain a credible encyclopedia if we don't require references?  There's no other way to tell the good from the bad.   Acroterion  (talk)  03:12, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I see your point of view now. I have two honest questions though, just want your opinion: 1. How do you supposed I could attain a source for this? It is credible, just not something that would be printed in articulate journalism, unless a complete article is done on the word.

2. If it was used in a sentence,(without a definition) in an article as an adjective, is that credible as a source just by the use?

Any ideas, advice, or "loopholes" that you know of that could help us?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdgotc (talk • contribs) 03:25, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for working with me here. We really do like to see articles on the new and strange, but we still have to maintain standards. No loopholes, and we don't permit original research.  I do, in fact, believe that the word is current in your area. Unfortunately, a Google search gets only 48 hits, and some are on some sort of scooter-truck.  The rest appear to be blogs and hence useless, but I didn't look at every last one.  I'd expect to see hundreds of hits if it was a really current word.  Still, have a look through Google.  You'd have to show via references that it was being used extensively and consistently, and you're still in dictionary territory with it (see WP:DICDEF - I finally found the most relevant policy - we have hundreds, you know).   Acroterion  (talk)  03:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, please sign your comments at the end with four tildes - ~ - so %$#@! SineBot doesn't edit-conflict me when I reply.  Acroterion  (talk)  03:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

71.248.62.143
Hi, sorry to be a bother, but I see you were the most recent admin to block this user. (User talk:71.248.62.143) Just wanted to let you know that his 1 week block has expired and he's promptly started adding nonsense (bogus episode info) onto the article he's been repeatedly blocked over. Am I ok letting you know or do I need to post this some place official? (Always trying to learn how things run here) Thank you for your time. Dp76764 (talk) 17:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You can post it at WP:3RR for more eyes. Just looking at it I couldn't make heads or tails of his edits, but edit-warring to insert false information will earn a lengthy block.  I assume the references are not useful?    Acroterion  (talk)  19:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure if he's up to the point of actually 'warring' today (though he seems to definitely be on a long-term campaign). It looks like his recent 'additions' were fake: ie, he copied the reference number and pasted it in on 3 'episodes' that don't actually exist.  And thanks for the advice =)  I will post on the 3RR board if he continues. Dp76764 (talk) 19:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar

 * Thanks, much appreciated!  Acroterion  (talk)  21:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. I just noticed you helped me twice! Bearian (talk) 20:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Please consider placing the template:

Speedy deletion of Harry Smeegleburgen
But he was my grandfather !


 * Your grandfather was a lesbian? Do tell.   Acroterion  (talk)  02:04, 30 September 2008 (UTC)