User talk:Acroterion/Archive Q3 2012

SYKOTIC KRIMINALS
Why did you delete the Sykotic Kriminals page? I assure you it is very real Yung Swader works with bricksquad now do your research before you delete something. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.61.174.17 (talk) 02:14, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The issue isn't existence, it's notability. Please review WP:BAND for the notability guidelines for musical groups.   Acroterion   (talk)   02:16, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Damn
Damn, you're fast. I just tagged it when it was already deleted. Nice work! --   Luke      (Talk)   02:25, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've been experimenting with internet through a 4G smartphone hotspot link, since cable is out due to power failure. Works pretty well.   Acroterion   (talk)   02:29, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's pretty sad that 4G on a cell phone is faster than Verizon FiOS, oh well. --   Luke      (Talk)   02:34, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * We have Comcast here, not FIOS, but 4G works pretty well, and I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan (not that WP uses much bandwidth).  Acroterion   (talk)   02:41, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Deletion
Hello Acroterion, could you please explain me why there is "No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content)". Under common sense I think the article does not fall under no explanation... This is my first article I hope you can help me correcting this one in order to show it properly. Best Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iocordev (talk • contribs) 02:32, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I meant just that: that there is no credible assertion in the article that the company was notable by Wikipedia's notability guidelines. See [{[:CORP]], as well as WP:SPAM.   Acroterion   (talk)   02:43, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Sykotic Kriminals
I was wondering if it would be possible to get a copy of the deleted Sykotic Kriminals page, because I want to make the corrections that are needed for it to stay on this website. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Everythingbricksquad (talk • contribs) 14:31, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Certainly: I'll email it to you, if you'll enable email on your account.  Acroterion   (talk)   17:50, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Sykotic Kriminals
Ok, I have enabled my email like you said. So I believe you can send me a copy of Sykotic Kriminals now. THANK YOU — Preceding unsigned comment added by Everythingbricksquad (talk • contribs) 23:45, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for reverting vandalism on my talk page
I appreciate it. ... disco spinster   talk  23:56, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Stalking
The information to which you are referring has been a part of the stalking page since December of 2011. It would seem to me that the information should remain intact until it has been discussed and a determination by more than one party has been made. It could certainly be discussed, but a discussion should take place before the information is removed, rather than after the fact, in my opinion. I reverted the comment because, in my opinion, protocol would seem to dictate that the discussion occur before any changes are made. Perhaps I'm unaware of Wikipedia protocol. Please advise. Elizabeth Blandra (talk) 03:38, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The material was removed after due consideration by a user who left an extensive and thoughtful justification for his action: I therefore think it would be best to honor that and discuss it on the talkpage: perhaps you can address his concerns and the material might be reinstated by consensus. He did, in fact, give it three weeks between raising the issue and removing it, so the removal was hardly precipitate.  Acroterion   (talk)   03:42, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Who is the final arbiter, if a consensus isn't reached? Elizabeth Blandra (talk) 04:43, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The community is, either on the talkpage or through dispute resolution, but the path lies through a productive talkpage discussion. Please make your case there.  Acroterion   (talk)   11:30, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

WP:ANI
Thanks for that :). Callanecc (talk • contribs) talkback (etc) template appreciated. 15:15, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. We've seen this before, usually from the UK. ANI might get a faster response, though WP:AIV would probably be fast enough in most cases.  Acroterion   (talk)   15:22, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I was going to go AIV, but I noticed on WP:VANDAL (here) that it states that personal attacks aren't vandalism, so I didn't. Callanecc (talk • contribs) talkback (etc) template appreciated. 15:50, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * A fine example of the creeping bureaucracy that's taking over the wiki. However, harassment of that sort is vandalism as far as I and most other admins are concerned, so I wouldn't worry about it.  Acroterion   (talk)   16:52, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Technical question
While reviewing edits made by Elizabeth Blandra and PeaceFrog71 to see if there were any further problems, I was looking around your talk page and found the RevDel request above. I'm now very confused: how did you RevDel this edit so that it can't be viewed with admin rights? Nyttend (talk) 20:45, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You should be able to see the actual edit and diff (at least I can), since the content was never revdel'd. What was removed was the edit summary, which requires the extra step of choosing (del/undel) from the diff to view.  Acroterion   (talk)   21:21, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I meant the edit summary; you're right. I didn't realise that I'd have to click del/undel to view revdeleted edit summaries; since I'm automatically prompted with a "Ignore this revdel?" screen when I attempt to view a diff for an edit that has had its contents deleted, I figured that I'd get some notice on the edit summary.  Nyttend (talk) 01:03, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Pinrod Article
You declined my article I sent in because it appeared to be fictional and had lack of citations. That is because very few people know about Pinrods, and those who do do not have the ability or the care to make an article about it, so that makes me the first to ever put it on the internet, so it would be impossible to find citations. There was a time when Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster were unknown to all but a few individuals, but they managed to spread the word and those creatures have articles on Wikipedia. Pinrod is just like those monsters and will hopefully be as famous as them some day, but that can not happen if my article is not posted. It could be entirely fictional, but so could the Yeti, or dragons, but it could be one of those mysteries as with other monsters. So please, reconsider my article, and hopefully decide to accept it. Information doctor (talk) 16:19, 11 July 2012 (UTC)Information doctor


 * If there are no references, or if "very few people know" about the topic, then it can't be on Wikipedia. See WP:V, WP:NOTE and WP:RS. And as I said, this appears to be something that was made up, which would make it a hoax.   Acroterion   (talk)   18:40, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

So how do you propose I make it more known? It's not made up, or at least not made up by me. I said in the article it was possible the boy made it up, but many articles similar to this have mentioned possibilities of hoaxes, but also possibilities of it being real. The only reason that article has references is because people have spread the word. It could have been a total lie, this could be a total lie, (although in my opinion, both cryptids are real) but it could never be looked upon as true if I am not given the chance to start this. There was always a first book about the Loch Ness Monster where the author had no good references, only what they had heard. They believed, as do I, and helped prove why the monsters were not fake. I will try to find references, but that most likely will not turn out well. Information doctor (talk) 02:40, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Neither you nor I can "make it more known." Notability and verifiability require multiple reliable sources, as I noted above. If there are no sources, the subject is not notable or not verifiable or both. Wikipedia follows the sourcing: it doesn't lead or strive to be the first, and original research is not permitted here, since the encyclopedia is a tertiary source, not a primary source.  Acroterion   (talk)   02:46, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Then where can it be the first? Information doctor (talk) 13:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Nowhere. Wikipedia relies on secondary sources to report on a subject first, then compiles those sources. See WP:RS and WP:V. Use of primary sources is discouraged, as primary sources are subject to interpretation, and original research may not be published on Wikipedia: see WP:NOR. Additionally, if there is no significant published source on a given topic, it fails Wikipedia's standards for notability.    Acroterion   (talk)   14:03, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

You misunderstood my question. I know Wikipedia can not be the first. I'm asking where else on the internet. Do you know of any similar sites that will take original research? Information doctor (talk) 14:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, sorry about that. This  might work, though I have no familiarity with that wiki, nor with its policies.  If you're trying to establish a subject made up by a kid in grade school, I suspect you're not going to get a lot of help anywhere. Search for sites associated with cryptozoology and similar topics and you should find a fair number of noticeboards, blogs and such, along with wikis.  Note that none of them will be acceptable references on Wikipedia. Also please stop spamming "pinrod" across this wiki: if it's not referenced, it can't be added.   Acroterion   (talk)   14:17, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. And yes, I will stop. Hopefully the other site will work out. Information doctor (talk) 18:58, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Credo Reference Update & Survey (your opinion requested)
Credo Reference, who generously donated 400 free Credo 250 research accounts to Wikipedia editors over the past two years, has offered to expand the program to include 100 additional reference resources. Credo wants Wikipedia editors to select which resources they want most. So, we put together a quick survey to do that:


 * Link to Survey (should take between 5-10 minutes): http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/N8FQ6MM

It also asks some basic questions about what you like about the Credo program and what you might want to improve.

At this time only the initial 400 editors have accounts, but even if you do not have an account, you still might want to weigh in on which resources would be most valuable for the community (for example, through WikiProject Resource Exchange).

Also, if you have an account but no longer want to use it, please leave me a note so another editor can take your spot.

If you have any other questions or comments, drop by my talk page or email me at wikiocaasi@yahoo.com. Cheers! Ocaasit &#124; c 17:05, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Recent blocks
A user you recently blocked is apparently vandalizing my talk page. LedRush (talk) 19:26, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I see someone caught them while I was away. They've been busy, and they're going to get whole universities blocked if they're not careful, places that keep detailed logs of IP use.   Acroterion   (talk)   19:41, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks.LedRush (talk) 19:47, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Homewise
Acroterian,

I hope you will reconsider your deletion of the Homewise page I created yesterday.

Homewise is a legitimate non-profit entity that has worked successfully in putting needy families into homes of their own. Its executive director was notably invited to speak at the Clinton Global Intitiative. Its patron and peer organizations such as NeighborWorks America have existing Wikipedia pages. Pasted below is a list of internal Wikipedia links to other CDFIs: Other CDFIs include:

ACCION USA in New York, NY and lends nationally Albina Community Bank in Portland, OR   Boston Community Capital in Boston, MA    Carver Federal Savings Bank in New York, NY    Central Bank of Kansas City in Kansas City, MO    Chicago Community Loan Fund in Chicago, IL    Chattanooga Neighborhood Enterprise, Inc in Chattanooga, TN    Century Housing Corporation in Culver City, CA    Cha Piyeh, Inc., in Ohkay Owingeh, NM    Clearinghouse CDFI in Lake Forest, CA    City First Bank of D.C. in Washington, D.C.    Community First Fund in Lancaster, PA    Dryades Savings Bank in New Orleans, LA    Enterprise Corporation of the Delta in Jackson, MS    Federation of Appalachian Housing Enterprises in Berea, KY    Forward Community Investments in Madison, WI    Funding Partners in Fort Collins, CO    HHOC Mortgage, in Honolulu, HI    Hope Community Credit Union in Jackson, MS    HDF: Housing Development Fund, Inc. in Stamford, CT    IFFin Chicago, IL    Invest Detroit Foundation, in Detroit, MI    Leviticus 25:23 Alternative Fund in Elmsford, NY    Liberty Bank & Trust in New Orleans, LA    Local Initiatives Support Corporation in New York, NY and other locations Louisville Community Development Bank in Louisville, KY   Low Income Investment Fund in San Francisco, CA    National Federation of Community Development Credit Unions in New York, NY and other locations National Community Investment Fund in Chicago, IL   Neighborhood National Bank in San Diego, CA    New Jersey Community Capital in New Brunswick, NJ    Nonprofit Finance Fund in New York, NY    Northern California Community Loan Fund in San Francisco, CA    One PacificCoast Bank in Oakland, CA, Washington, and Oregon OneUnited Bank in Boston, MA, Los Angeles, CA, and Miami, FL   Opportunity Fund in San Jose, CA    Partners for the Common Good in Washington, DC    Primary Care Development Corporation in New York, NY    Rocky Mountain MicroFinance Institute in Denver, CO    The Reinvestment Fund in Philadelphia, PA    ShoreBank nationwide Shorebank Pacific in Ilwaco, WA   Southern Bancorp in Arkadelphia, AR    University National Bank in St. Paul, MN    Washington Heights and Inwood Development Corporation in New York, NY    Street UK in Birmingham, England GLE OneLondon in London, England

I believe that anyone searching the Internet for Homewise would be assisted by the Homewise entry, which would give them the information they need and link them to external sources such as the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.

I appreciate and thank you in advance for reconsidering the Homewise entry.

JimZBrewer (talk) 20:31, 12 July 2012 (UTC)Jim Zebora


 * The central question: is the organization notable by Wikipedia's guidelines? See WP:CORP and WP:NOTE. It appears to be a local organization that's done well, but which isn't especially notable on a scale the qualifies it for inclusion in a global encyclopedia.  Many of the organizations you note above are much larger in scope with articles, or lack articles on Wikipedia, or would not qualify for articles. The article was written like a marketing/promotional release, not as an encyclopedia article. Unless it's gotten multiple, specific and moderately detailed coverage in national press, notability will be hard to come by.  You may wish to work on the article some more in a sandbox in your userspace: I can place the deleted content there if you'd like so you can work on referencing and notability.   Acroterion   (talk)   20:40, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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Wahyoo-hoo-hoo (talk) 23:53, 12 July 2012 (UTC)Why did you delete the page 8037? How is it a test page?Wahyoo-hoo-hoo (talk) 23:53, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It was either an editing test or vandalism: it seemed kinder to choose the former in spite of the allegation that the number had been killed. Since numbers aren't mortal, I would have had to assume that you were posting non-facts, which aren't generally considered suitable for an encyclopedia.  Acroterion   (talk)   23:56, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

PeaceFrog71 and Elizabeth Blandra
FYI: you reported these accounts at ANI for edit warring recently, due to a CU finding over at Commons, and I blocked. After serving time, Elizabeth has started protesting at the frog's talk that they're unrelated, so I've requested an opinion from Tiptoety, who did the CU at Commons. Nyttend (talk) 23:06, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The kindest thing I can say is that they must not understand about SUL, and that EB has some 'splainin to do.  Acroterion   (talk)   23:38, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The SUL test shows that the en:wp accounts are the same as their Commons counterparts, so whether or not they understand it, they've been involved in it. Just trying to say "there's absolutely 0% chance of these accounts being unrelated".  Nyttend (talk) 23:46, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the unclear edit summary; my roommate's kitten pressed "enter" before I would have. Meant to say "SUL has been implemented".  Nyttend (talk) 23:47, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hopefully the cat will show better keyboarding judgment when it's grown up.  Acroterion   (talk)   23:54, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's hope. Please be aware that it was unintentional on my part and don't block me for violating WP:ROLE.  Nyttend (talk) 23:55, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * As I read WP:ROLE, it can be circumvented by non-humans, so you and the cat are off the hook. It says "people", not "cats", "animals", and so on. On the other hand, Little green men and perhaps demons would be cause for immediate bannination, so I'll just have to trust that the cat isn't something else or that it isn't possessed.   Acroterion   (talk)   00:02, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Good point. Forgot that the reason for WP:ROLE is copyright issues, and animals' creations aren't copyrightable apparently.  Nyttend (talk) 00:32, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Winding Gulf Coal Field
Hey- Just a FYI, I managed to link the 50+ towns listed in the Winding Gulf Coalfield article to actual pages on Wikipedia. there are about 4 or 5 which will require some actual looks on my part. HOWEVER, now that we have actual pages associated with the actual towns, why not huh? When we get abn agreed upon coal town definition, a really cool category could be created.Coal town guy (talk) 19:44, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It'd be great to have a category for sure.  Acroterion   (talk)   17:01, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I had a very cool look see at Indian Bottom KY at GNIS. The person at GNIS used coal camp as a descriptor, BUT, of course the only definition supplied was populated place. However, it was most strange to see that. Right now I have an artcile for submission on Coal Scrip. At thia point, I am trying to keep it as bare bones as possible and Acidixon has very kindlty started to mentor me on the more complex articles out there.. The current artciles out there ion scrip tend to be rarther political, and well, I am not going there. I say we actually define the thing before we tell the world what other people think about it.Coal town guy (talk) 17:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can see how any discussion of scrip could veer off into all sorts of directions - you definitely want to establish the neutral definition first, though there's certainly room to go on to discuss the implications and abuses associated with the use of scrip.  Acroterion   (talk)   17:30, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

WP:COFAQ
Creating page with contents shown there. Funny, eh? Xentram (talk) 20:59, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Putting Homewise entry back into my sandbox
Hi, Acroterion,

I don't see my deleted Homewise entry back in my sandbox so I can do some further work. Would you put it back in when you get the chance?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JimZBrewer (talk • contribs) 21:14, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Hunting Again
What was the problem with the reference?Rwenonah (talk) 20:41, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Most of what you entered was unreferenced. The circle hunt reference doesn't specify anything but the title and a date: you should at least be able to provide a page reference, and I would hope that the entry is sufficiently complete to allow you to add the date of the hunt and a few more particulars.   Acroterion   (talk)   20:52, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

‎The Beatles Coalition for Cultural Diversity
Can you give me some more information about this rollback (via email if there are sensitive issues involved)? I replied to an incoming OTRS email and would like to know more about the history involved before I send any more replies. VernoWhitney (talk) 22:30, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's someone representing a Russian download site who's been banned under multiple IPs and usernames (and their website blacklisted) who's spamming links to their copyright violation site. See and .   Acroterion   (talk)   22:34, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. VernoWhitney (talk) 22:54, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Cameron Suspension Bridge/Dewey Bridge
FYI, re The reason why the HAER for the Dewey Bridge is used to source a detail about the Cameron bridge is the two bridges are related (as is obvious by comparing a picture of them) and the HAER for the one mentions the other. As stated in the article for the Dewey Bridge, the Cameron bridge was built first and the base plans were reused in building the Dewey Bridge. Hope that clears up the confusion. A full article on the Dewey bridge has been on my get-around-to-it list for years. I got demotivated when the museum that had the blueprints on display moved them into storage and I couldn't access them. Dave (talk) 04:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I figured they were but it was getting late and I didn't have enough active brain cells to do the checks. I'll try to sort it out better today.  Thanks for the clarification.   Acroterion   (talk)   11:36, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks to you both. I noticed Acroterion's edit to the Midland Bridge Company page, too, yesterday, with some alarm, and I couldn't figure it out, also.  I gather i was responsible for something there, like using one HAER reference to support a fact about the other bridge, which I did understand back at the time, but I could not unravel it again.  Maybe a hidden comment shoulda been left by me, back then, to help future editors like myself who would likely be puzzled.  I actually have left hidden comments like that in some more recent works, where I see the puzzle potential.  Thanks.  Nice new article and DYK nom, about the Cameron Suspension Bridge.  I took pictures of it myself a few years ago, but did not upload them.  I doubt mine were better than the pic there now. -- do  ncr  am  17:41, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * "Always [comment] code as though it will be maintained by a homicidal, axe-wielding maniac who knows where you live." - The Professional Programmer -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:25, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, there you go: neither Doncram nor I are programmers. The only C I got in graduate school was the result of a whimsical urge to take a programming class. I was typing ("writing" would be too strong a term) code on a Cyber something-or-other through a terminal with a bell key. The maniac would have been at my door long ago if I'd pursued it. On the other hand, I ended up in a job that requires arguing with construction workers, which has some exciting moments too.  Acroterion   (talk)   19:54, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The other alternative is to explicitly mention the relationship between the two bridges, then it's no secret why a source on bridge A is used in article B. Agreed, well done on the article. Keep creating articles for things on my watchlist and you might even coax me out of my wikicoma. =-) Dave (talk) 20:46, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. I haven't been to Cameron, Arizona in years. But the last time I was there, not much had changed. However, if you're referring to a field trip to Dewey, It's now a very sad place. Terrible to see an icon in charred ruins. I actually hurried up to get my drivers license, partially so I could say I drove a car across it before it was closed to vehicle traffic (impressing a girl might have been a reason too, not sure, too long ago.) =-) Sigh. Dave (talk) 20:46, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The trip this fall will be to Arizona, and I'm sure we'll pass through Cameron. I need to get back to Moab sometime too, maybe another trip. I've seen the intact Dewey Bridge (in 2001, I think), but I have no pictures of it that I know of. I remember hearing about the fire, now that I have all the context together.    Acroterion   (talk)   21:16, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The main problem was with me, wanting to go to bed, and not reading through the full HAER report on the Dewey Bridge. I got it figured out today and all is well.  I was confused by the ref citing the Dewey Bridge for the length of the Cameron bridge. We're contemplating a trip to the area later in the year and I was scouting the possibilities. Unfortunately the nomination docs for AZ haven't been posted to NPS Focus, so we must work with what we can find.   Acroterion   (talk)   17:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Are you crazy
Please check the Chinese wikipedia, the Reolian pedia is just translate from the Chinese one.Bbqq11 (talk) 01:28, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

This is the fact, if you do not know, you must try to see more.


 * That's not an excuse for your actions. Please stop.  Acroterion   (talk)   01:30, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Still not crazy, but your latest edit is reasonably acceptable, although it should be farther down. Any more and the article becomes a coatrack.  Acroterion   (talk)   01:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

You need to open your mind, ok? Please read the newspaper from Macau, every day at least 10 acticle talking about Reolian, complain, accidents, these are all the things about this company, do not be a frog of Reolian, wikipeida is a encyclopedia, not for someone or only can say good things.Bbqq11 (talk) 01:35, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Are You Crazy-2
No one try to attack any of company, I just try to record all the facts, you must not be a Macau Resident so you did a crazy decision.Bbqq11 (talk) 01:30, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

It is fact of Reolian is being happen many of bad effort, not I do not try to write some better things of them is just nothing good I can write for them.OK? Bbqq11 (talk) 01:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * See WP:NPOV. Articles may not be used for disparagement.   Acroterion   (talk)   01:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

open you mind ok? you still do not understand, no one try to use wiki for disparagement, it's only because reolian only got those negative response.Bbqq11 (talk) 01:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Articles may not be used to disparage people, groups or companies. You may include appropriate negative information in due proportion, but it may not dominate the article, nor may it be the sole purpose of the article. You may not edit-war, and given your history of doing so, you could be blocked at any time.   Acroterion   (talk)   01:50, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Specifically, we don't, for example, have a List of TWA accidents, as that unfairly focuses on a single company. I rather like the picture of the police pushing the bus, but it's probably not appropriate.  Acroterion   (talk)   02:04, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Cameron Suspension Bridge
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

A new Category, help will be needed
I finally found a decent reference that will define a coal town and hence, a category called, coal town will be coming. I will of course submit this as an article for approval/creation. I figured that since I actually got a Coal scrip article created, a coal town category is next. The help portion will be that IF and when they create the category, there will be a HUGE uptick in place names that fit this category (bet you didnt see that coming). Any assistance you could provide will be most welcome. I came to you because you had done some work on the Winding Gulf Coalfield page and thought, this would be an area of interest for you. I will submit the article/category later todayCoal town guy (talk) 13:29, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Pleaase le me know what do you think??? the category name is Coal town. I will tell a few other admins before this is or is not acceptedCoal town guy (talk) 14:58, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Be bold: it looks fine. I'd take that content and create an article-space page, then have a single-line description in the category with a link to the article.   Acroterion   (talk)   15:00, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I will try that, the current Coal town article is a redirect, THAT will change!15:06, 24 July 2012 (UTC) Many thanks!


 * I like this category  (Coal town) ALOT........This allows me to do  more and provide data at the same time. I will be at the coalfield pages tomorrow. Thanks again!Coal town guy (talk) 23:48, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Management and Training Corporation
As your time may allow, could you take a look at the edit history of this page? One editor seems to have an unusual interest in keeping all the juicy bits off this page. I shall be more vigilant in the future, but perhaps other steps might be required. As always, I trust to your mature judgment on things that get me worked up. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 13:40, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Bits, bots, whatever. If I have occasion to run a bot (rather unlikely) I'll be sure to name it JuicyBot. I looked at it and they posted some obvious copyright violations back in May that had to be deleted, I'll keep an eye on it.   Acroterion   (talk)   01:32, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That person is active again, blanking entire sections. Could you please take whatever action you seem best? I am closing down here for the night. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 17:21, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Another user name is now doing the same thing, deleting all the exciting stuff. I will keep an eye on it until bedtime, but perhaps other action is called for. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 14:14, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

IP 24.111.88.58
This IP which you have blocked has seemed to request a forgotten password on my account. I don't know what is going on, but I assure you it is not me.

Unfortunately, I have forgotten my regular password atm (I'm logged in through that "remember me?" thing), so I don't know what to do. I worry that if I do change my password, my account is hacked and I'll wind up having bad edits come from me.

What do I do? PSUForever14 (talk) 14:39, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The password request thing just sends the temporary password to the email address that you provided when you registered. Nobody else can receive it (assuming nobody else has access to your email account). This sort of thing happens all the time, it's a common form of pointless harassment, but they can't hack your account. If you need to, go ahead and do your own request, then log in and change the password. I'll remove a few more privileges from the IP. That won't prevent them from trying to log in as you or requesting spurious password resets, but their claim of hijacking accounts is bullshit.   Acroterion   (talk)   14:50, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The same thing happened to me, and I have no idea why. I made a minor edit (dashes and extra spaces) at Penn State Nittany Lions football, which doesn't appear to be one of the article IP was editing at. Is this really just harassment or an actual attempt to try to hack an account? -Rrius (talk) 22:15, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, it might be an attempt, but it won't succeed. It's mostly just harassment: one of WP's more prolific trolls used to try to reset my password at Commons once a week for a few months and got tired. Just log in as usual and ignore, though a strong password is still important.  Acroterion   (talk)   22:31, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Links to Amazon placed within articles related to the JFK assassination
Hi, Acroterion. Would you mind taking a look at this contributor's brief editing history in articles related to the JFK assassination? I'm not clear on how to deal with it since I'm not sure if this is some sort of spam or what. Please let me know if you think there is an appropriate policy/guideline I should cite or if there is a certain forum I should bring this up in? Thanks! Location (talk) 12:35, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I think they just confused and they just think that the Amazon link is helpful. I have no objection to adding appropriate bibliography listings, provided (as you noted at Zapruder film) they're germane to the article's subject. The account's name is a bit odd: we already have a usernamed, but the original OC is an experienced editor who knows better and who edits in other subjects anyway, so I think it's just coincidence. I'll leave them a note on link policy.  Acroterion   (talk)   14:30, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Congressional Black Caucus
A vandal is active on this page. (As it is now, and as it shall ever be.) I shall revert a couple of times, but it may require attention. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 03:30, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * More like a troll. I blocked an Austrealian IP a while back for the same sort of thing on subjects pertaining to the Olympics. Silly season seems to be going strong.  Acroterion   (talk)   03:34, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXVI, July 2012
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 09:01, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Vandalize?
Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. Examples of typical vandalism are adding irrelevant obscenities and crude humor to a page, illegitimately blanking pages, and inserting obvious nonsense into a page.I have neither posted anything irrelivant,with any humor,compromising,or obscene.If you look up racism you will find the following;Racism, also called racialism, is generally defined as actions, practices, or beliefs that reflect the racial worldview: the ideology that humans are divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called "races". This ideology entails the belief that members of a race share a set of characteristic traits, abilities, or qualities, that traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural behavioral characteristics are inherited, and that this inheritance means that races can be ranked as innately superior or inferior to others.Going on this,you can see that I am only adding factual information.Now you may have a differing oppinion,but the fact is I am factually correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Larryljonesjr (talk • contribs) 12:43, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't an appropriate place for you to air your views on the Congressional Black Caucus. Blocked 48 hours for disruption and edit-warring.  Acroterion   (talk)   13:41, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Dehydroascorbic acid reversion
You have reverted changes I made to "dehydroascorbic acid" with a note indicating "apparent promotion." The discussion includes the tradename Ascoxal, an old drug that is sold apparently in Scandinavia and some spanish speaking countries, but is not available in the USA. I am not associated with AstraZeneca (makers of Ascoxal), I am not interested in promoting this drug, and I don't think naming it should be considered promoting it if it isn't available here. Ascoxal is of interest because it produces dehydroascorbic acid when dissolved in water, and the studies that have been done using it are pertinent to the uses listed for DHA. Nevertheless, the revision can be written without naming the drug in the text, but the references are what they are. Question is, if I revise without naming the drug, are you going to keep coming back and reverting my work? I might as well not contribute if that is the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VitCBeliever (talk • contribs) 02:15, 31 July 2012 (UTC) VitCBeliever (talk) 02:29, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Your explanation is fine, I have no problem with that. You might want to take out the registered trademark symbol from the reference: it tends to be a red flag for promotion.   Acroterion   (talk)   02:34, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt reply and your suggestion to remove the trademark symbol. VitCBeliever (talk) 05:57, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

USFS architecture category
Hi, i notice your multiple edits removing a category for USFS architecture. I am not sure if you are aware of existence of Architects of the United States Forest Service article, which documents some explicit architectural groups within the USFS and architectural styles they adopted, within a larger philosophy of seeking distinct stylings for USFS works. The article was largely developed during a nasty AFD about it, which you seem not to have participated in. Anyhow, I think there does exist a meaningful category for USFS architecture, and wonder if you might add your "ranger station" category rather than substitute it for USFS architecture category. I have in fact visited and photographed a couple of the ranger houses personally (though maybe have not uploaded multiple pics), and did note personally, on-the-spot, the apparent stylings. I know you also have visited and photographed some of these, and/or found and added other photos for some of these, too, including one or more that i have visited. I'll add, I am not really that interested in categories, so I'll grant that there could be some reasons to change the previous system which I don't grok immediately. However, there seemed to be a sensible correspondence between a list-article of USFS-designed projects, the project articles, and the category, per wp:CLT. I'd appreciate hearing your perspective. -- do ncr  am  18:49, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The ranger station category I made is a subcategory of the USFS architecture category, so it really is just a refinement of the category. It wouldn't be clear from looking at the way HotCat does it, but you'll see it's all on the same branch of the category tree. I felt it was redundant to have it as a parent category and directly listed, but your mileage may vary. I've never been a big fan of strict category heirarchy.   Acroterion   (talk)   19:06, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, you've been out to a lot more ranger stations than I have: they're pretty scarce in this part of the world.  Acroterion   (talk)   19:09, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I, for one, was pleased to see various ranger stations on my watchlist get slotted into the new ranger stations category. (Also, I still have severe doubts about the theory that "architects of the Forest Service" is a valid article topic, but I am not interested in going through the AfD for that article all over again. The topic of USFS architecture is a real and interesting one, though, in spite of that article.) --Orlady (talk) 19:28, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

László Csizsik-Csatáry
After checking the formation of the accounts that recently vandalised the László Csizsik-Csatáry article, it seems that Adinrezai, Swill12, Fayadakya, and Tamarathorn were created within minutes of one another on 6 November 2011. Is there sufficient merit to warrant further investigation? Meph talk 02:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC).
 * Add Adbelati687 to the list. Meph talk 03:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC).
 * Hard to tell. Checkuser data would probably be stale by now, but perhaps an inquiry to a CU would be in order, if only to block the IPs they're editing from.  I hard-blocked an IP (so that logged-in users can't edit), but they're obviouslybusing others.   Acroterion   (talk)   03:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Editor speak, what am I missing?
Hey- I have an editor who is citing a standard on USA being superfluous on many small places in KY. I was shown that the USA reference could be overkill by another admin and I am cool woith that totally. What am not cool with is the editor in question does not respond at all to my questions. They do not know the subject matter, which is cool, but its the comments left afterwards that are quite rude. I captalized Coal town and I am told this is an English article not German. English is not my first language, and I do speak German, but I do not like the jingoistic feel that anyone on our planet would know that a small coal town in KY is in the USA. So, I get no replies and I revert edits. I am of self admission, American, love our culture, but I cant presume that any person on the planet knows about the USA in totum. I find it rude, and without the global merit Wikipedia offers. So is there a way to break the impasse of a person who 1)Does not know the subject matter, 2)acts jingoistic and 3)provides edicts with no direction?Coal town guy (talk) 13:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I will admit to being conflicted on that topic. In recent times I've been carefully putting USA after obscure ranger stations in Nevada, because the proverbial Kid in Africa won't necessarily know where that is.  It seems to me to be needlessly parochial to assume that all English-speaking readers will know that Kalamazoo, Moose Jaw, Bognor Regis or Cairns are in the US, Canada, England or Australia, even though the lead sentences scan better without having USA, etc. all over them. There is an argument that readers should know enough basic geography to know what Michigan, Saskatchewan, West Sussex or Queensland are, but sad experience shows that that's not the case, nor should we really expect it to be. However, I've been lazy and parochial in the past and will be again, and in dealing with small points of US geography it often does look silly to specify the nation.
 * As for the capitalization, I'd agree that "coal town" should be uncapitalized, as it's a description and not a proper name.  Acroterion   (talk)   13:34, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated. You see, if you had done the edits, you would have explained why when asked, and thats what any environment should be. I very much appreciate the wordsCoal town guy (talk) 14:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Battle of Cedar Creek
Thank you for your help with this naming issue. Hal Jespersen (talk) 17:22, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, looks like somebody's been messing with the wiki.  Acroterion   (talk)   18:01, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Advice on Expanding Coal town article
Hey there- I am ready to expand the coal town artcile and needed your input on a few phases. I was going to add 2 sections, one called defining structures and artifacts and then a brief summary on their rise and fall. BUT, as I went along, I found that a few of the defining structures, are not defined in wikipedia. OH JOY. SO, should I define the things I plan to list? OR should I list the items and provide a short definition??Coal town guy (talk) 20:39, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * What I usually do is redlink them with a short definition, then create a supporting article at greater length, all assuming I have enough sources to sustain them. If you can't make a modest article out of the material, then a redirect from the term pointing to the relevant section in the coal town article will do.  Acroterion   (talk)   20:48, 6 August 2012 (UTC)!

Issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places
Could you comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National_Register of Historic Places?

This is regarding a key part of the upcoming WLM-US photo contest. Smallbones (talk) 12:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Jury
Thanks for your offer about the jury. We should have thought about you earlier! I was going to make the announcement today. There are 7 jury members (for the final jury) and I think that that's enough, plus a couple were supposed to get back to us. Could you be the designated backup in case somebody drops out? BTW, I think this skill of knowing where not to go is something I need to learn! There will be lots of chances to get involved in selecting the 500 photos that go to the final jury since I expect that there will be 100,000 photos submitted. More on that when we have the exact mechanics of the pre-selection system down. Thanks again. Smallbones (talk) 14:59, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Certainly, I'd be happy to be a backup. Seven should be plenty, and I can certainly participate in the pre-selection process. The "where not to go" is knowledge that's usually acquired the hard way, although anything involving WP:A** is a tipoff.  Acroterion   (talk)   15:06, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

MindFreakers Networking - Help
I was making a Wiki page related to my website but i don't know why it was infrigmating the copyrights. Can you please help me making it understand? You can check my website at http://mindfreakers.net/

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgulati31 (talk • contribs) 16:05, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The website says, and I quote, " © 2011-2012 By MindFreakers Networking | All Rights Reserved", which means that it can't be used on a free-content website like Wikipedia, which is governed by the Creative Commons copyleft. Apart from that problem, even if you donated the content, it is explicitly promotional, which equally unacceptable. Copies of company websites tend to have those problems: your website is naturally enough, intended to promote your company, but that means that it's a poor choice for an encyclopedia article.   Acroterion   (talk)   16:14, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Unfair deletion of page Gerardo Poggi
Hello. I do not agree with your motives for deleting the page on Gerardo Poggi. You should have read my arguments first. I restate them here:

"Hello, this is your personal opinion. The information I provided is exactly factual. It refers to a public event. The pages describe public figures. The information is duly referenced with major international newspapers. It is clear that this information belongs to an encyclopaedia like Wikipedia.".

I used to be a serious contributor to Wikipedia, but I abandoned it a few years ago because of censoring ayatollahs. Soon, you will play in an empty sandbox.

I do not want to offend you, but I am disgusted. Angryjo2012london (talk) 23:56, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Unfair deletion of pages
Hello, Why are you deleting my contributions in minutes, without giving me the chance to justify and argument ? This is playing dirty. Angryjo2012london (talk) 00:00, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia isn't an appropriate place to name and shame individuals involved in a controversial decision. As I said on your talkpage, an appropriate article would focus on the event, not on the individuals.  If you've contributed to Wikipedia before, you will probably realize that articles on living individuals are subject to very high standards. Naming and shaming is not acceptable, and it is clear that your sole intention here under this username is to denigrate these individuals. That is unacceptable. Attack pages are deleted immediately, as are purely negative articles about individuals who are otherwise not notable for a single event (WP:BLP1E). If you feel you can write an appropriate article that complies with Wikipedia policy, I suggest you do so in your userspace, recognizing that that is subject to WP:BLP too.   Acroterion   (talk)   00:02, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * This is your personal interpretation. The article mentions public figures acting in a public event. ALL the information provided is factual and referenced in newspapers. There is no personal judgement from my part in it, I amjust stating public facts. According to you, we should censor any news from AFP, BBC and NBC on this topic ? Angryjo2012london (talk) 00:09, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * We are all required to treat the subjects of biographies on Wikipedia with dignity and respect. If in a few days there is enough information to write an article about a judging scandal at the Olympics, then that can be done, with care. Simply writing stubs about otherwise non-notable individuals that effectively attack them is not acceptable. This is a bright-line requirement.  Wikipedia isn't filled with articles on referees who blew calls or judges who allegedly favored one competitor over another.   Acroterion   (talk)   00:13, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Again, I am just stating public facts ... Where did I violate dignity and respect requirements? Creating a page on the judges is important in order to track their judging records, especially in high stakes events like the olympics. And again, I am shocked that the page was deleted in minutes without due discussion. Others could have a different judgement than yours. Angryjo2012london (talk) 00:20, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * This isn't a debate or a negotiation: I've described how you might write an appropriate article. It's your choice to take the advice or not. Wikipedia isn't a public webhost for tracking judging records.  People who are angry at an individual should not be writing their bio.   Acroterion   (talk)   00:24, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You are playing unfairly by deleting a page without due discussion. It is censorship ayatollahs like you that are discouraging users from Wikipedia ... Angryjo2012london (talk) 00:30, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I checked carefully the criteria of an attack page : "G10. ... These "attack pages" may include libel, legal threats, material intended purely to harass or intimidate a person or biographical material about a living person that is entirely negative in tone and unsourced." The Gerardo Poggi page is NOT libelous, has no legal threats, doesn't harass nor intimidates, has a neutral tone and is sourced. I am challenging your deletion in the dispute resolution noticeboard.

You also deleted a personal version of the page I had put up for discussion reference.

Did you read the rest of the paragraph? You wrote a poorly sourced purely negative article about a living person: as far as I see the sources you cited don't mention the judges by name. It's not sourced. They therefore may (and in fact, must) be speedily deleted. The articles discuss the alleged scandal, not the individuals. This is why I suggest that you focus ion the event, not the individuals.  Acroterion   (talk)   01:58, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

My talk page
Thank you for revertng the vandalism by Auspices of Asspisses. As this has been the only article created by this account, it must be a block-evading editor resentful of something I have done. This probably means that I am still doing it right!--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 11:03, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, those kinds of hit-and-runs are almost always someone who was deservedly blocked before.  Acroterion   (talk)   12:05, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I must really have pi***d this guy off; he attacked me again with a different but very similar-sounding account, and was blocked and reverted by a colleague. I have temporarily semi-protected my talk page. As a matter of interest, how many of my friends and colleagues watch my page? --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 21:18, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You have 180 talkpage watchers, I assume a couple dozen are admins.  Acroterion   (talk)   21:20, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Now after all this time I probably should know how to determine this datum, but I do not. Would you care to let me know? By e-mail if that is preferable.--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 21:46, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Um, erm, maybe. Do you have a heading on the left sidebar menu for "Statistics"? It will have a button for page watchers. I think it's enabled through Preferences/gadgets, but I can't find the exact link.  Acroterion   (talk)   21:52, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * For me it's on the talk page. Open the page history, and it's at the top:   Antandrus  (talk) 21:54, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

thank you Antandrus and Acroterion. It is, indeed, right there and I had never noticed it. Ooops. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 21:59, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Rollback priv
Hey there. Is there any way I can get rollback permission? I figured since we have a resident editor who is often incorrect about coal towns, I might as well be efficient in rolling back bad editsCoal town guy (talk) 14:29, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I can, but only after you're clear on the use of rollback. It's only to be used for obvious vandalism or other such clearly unacceptable edits. It's never to be used in anything resembling a content dispute or garden-variety disagreement. In such cases you have to use the good old-fashioned way with an edit summary. Using rollback when you just don't like or dispute another editor's "bad" edits will lead to the pillory, stoning and dismemberment at WP:ANI.  Acroterion   (talk)   14:49, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That sounds severe. I am up to 10 to 15 summaries every 2 days and have yet to get any reply from the editor. SO......OKCoal town guy (talk) 15:19, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * In an academic environment and in the real world and in coal towns, I have nevert ever adjusted well to edicts, per se. I was the sorry SOB who would ask, why, what is the standard. When an editor or a PHD candidate who had an IQ that exceeded my body weight had an opinion or a edit or took umbrage, I would listen and we wopuld i some manner cooperate. When you get stone walled, and you try to communicate and the edits are a tad back handed, I sadly, dont like it. I can get a straw and suck it up, OK. BUT, its rather obvious, yes, my English grammar will never be the best, but when you get edits that have a descriptor of an object, NOT in the article, MULTIPLE times, it starts to just suck. BUT, thats cool by me and I am very appreciative of your reply.Coal town guy (talk) 15:25, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've left them a note asking for better communication. The manual of style is on his side, but outside of GAs and FAs this is widely ignored. I would advise against reversions: it's usually pointless in these cases and leads to bad feelings, and you have better things to do.   Acroterion   (talk)   01:48, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with the style, now that I know about it and that it was very kindly pointed out. I verty much appreciate the time you took and also demonstarting that when explained, things can make sense. I will however, relink coal town in certain articles as I do not agree its a common term. Many thanks on showing me the article, which I read, and yes, I understand at this point. I sincerely appreciate your time and effort, many thanks!Coal town guy (talk) 22:19, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * In any case, I think it's been demonstrated that there's no style bar to "United States" in the lede. Returning to the original question, I'd be happy to give you rollback permission, assuming you still want it, now that you're clear on when it's appropriate to use it (and more importantly, when not to use it).  Acroterion   (talk)   22:21, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * MANY THANKS! I will use the priv correctly, I just tried it on the comments I made onyour page, much appreciated, I dont think its a bad thing to roll myself bgack, is it? Anyway, MUCh appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 01:19, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No, you can always refactor your own comments, though that's usually best done with an edit summary.  Acroterion   (talk)   01:26, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Briggs (rapper)
Hi there,

On 13 December 2008, you deleted Briggs (rapper) stating the reason: "A7: No indication that the article may meet guidelines for inclusion."

I have re-created the page. A lot has happened since 2008 to make Briggs more notable and significant, and therefore not eligible for speedy deletion: aside from releasing two albums which have been widely reported on and reviewed, having signed with Golden Era Records, and toured with major names, he was also the subject of a half-hour documentary on Australia's national television broadcaster. I have included extensive content establishing the notability of the subject with extensive references.

In order to further improve the article, I wondered if you could assist in accessing the page as it was prior to deletion. There may be some content and/or references that may be appropriate for inclusion, but there is no way of knowing this without being able to access the pre-deletion history. Please feel free to copy the old page to User:Sroc/Briggs (2008).

Thank you in advance. —sroc (talk) 12:16, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * No longer needed. Thanks, anyway! —sroc (talk) 13:53, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The article I deleted was about a guy from New York, so there's nothing much to be gained from that deleted content.  Acroterion   (talk)   14:33, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Need a Referee
Could you referee this AfD discussion between User:IRWolfie and myself? The user has blinders on, is trying to force change on continously solid established consensus and refuses to face facts. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 22:33, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd advise you to let it go from here on out: you've both made your policy-related points and if you go on any more it just becomes personal, and at the moment, you're pushing it into personal territory more than IRWolfie. As has been pointed out, the closing admin will be able to review all the policy that's been mentioned.  Acroterion   (talk)   22:38, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I have hit my breaking point with annoying editors. First DreamMcQueen, then Spshu, now IRWolfie, it is a little more than I can take. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 22:59, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Then step back: you're coming on too strong.  Acroterion   (talk)   23:02, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

3 Speaker High (Band Page)
Hello Acroterion,

First I ask that you please be patient with me as I have NO IDEA how to get a red link onto this message. The article I was writing about is called 3 Speaker High. It's an dance/electronic band that was on billboard music charts in 2005. You deleted my article and then a "David 1217" replied that said article was an advertisement. I responded to him (or at least I tried) explaining that was not my intention. I'm merely a fan trying to get them on Wiki. I have permission for the band's rep to write the article. As I mentioned to David, I didn't want to get sued for using their name and I wasn't sure what Wiki's policy and procedures required prior to the article. Also, rumor has it the band's going to release new tracks and I would like others to be able to Wiki their name.

Second, the deleted article was revamped (wording wise) and it was still deleted.

Third, I still have to add more information gathered. I don't know how to red link or blue link the references. Example if Rolling Stones says "the band is awesome" on their December 2011 issue - how do I reference that?

Lastly, I would like to thank you for your time. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,

D. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3 Speaker High (talk • contribs) 17:22, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest that you create the article in a sandbox in your userspace at User:3 Speaker High/sandbox. The version I deleted was a copyright violation: you can't cut and paste directly into Wikipedia from another website, and the material was, in any case, promotional. I'd advise you to use appropriate sources (preferably third-party sources) to write a neutrally-worded article in your sandbox. Note that the band would have no grounds to object to an objectively-written, appropriately-sourced article, so you don't need their permission. Please remember that this is an encyclopedia, and whether or not Rolling Stone thinks the band is awesome, laudatory quotations have no place in an encyclopedia article: that's partly why the first sandbox was deleted.  You can use RS as a source of factual information, though. You'll need to curb your enthusiasm: just the facts, sir/ma'am.   Acroterion   (talk)   17:45, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

3 Speaker High
LOL @ Just the facts :) Funny. Okay I think I'm getting the hang of it. Now lets say NY Times has an article about something pertinent in regards to the band members (i. e. - band beginnings/how they met; band being in Guinness book of world records, or event the birth certificate of a band member or their child) how do I use the NY Times article as a reference? It's its a factual how can I reference the research materials i've used? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3 Speaker High (talk • contribs) 18:05, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If you write the appropriately staid, stately prose in your sandbox, then put in the bare URL (assuming it's accessible) between at the appropriate place, I can convert it to a full ref so you can see how it's done. Alternatively, if you look at the editing window of, say, The Rolling Stones, you'll see how the references are formatted. You'll also have to add  at the bottom of the page for references to appear there.   Acroterion   (talk)   18:29, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln's_Ghost
On a lighter note, I think that the Lincoln's Ghost chapter has to be deleted because it looks like it is all made up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln's_Ghost

I have shown my reasons whys. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lincoln%27s_Ghost — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.15.156.12 (talk) 18:48, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, it is a mess and badly sourced. Ghosts of the American Civil War does a much better job of covering the topic.  Visitors to the Lincoln Bedroom have claimed to have seen the ghost in considerable numbers, and there are sources at that page, which is mainly devoted to the Lincoln ghost. Maybe you can transfer some of that content to the main topic.   Acroterion   (talk)   18:55, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Factory Tile Depot page
Hi Acroterion,

I was wondering about the deletion of the Factory Tile Depot Wikipedia page. I did write a brief paragraph of why it should not be deleted, but by the time I managed to finish writing it, the page was already deleted. I was wondering what I would need to do in order to get the page back onto Wikipedia? I am familiar with the Wikipedia website but still new when it comes to creating pages etc. Any advice would be much appreciated.

As I mentioned in the paragraph I wrote yesterday about Factory Tile Depot, it is well-known within the province of Ontario. It was recognized and rewarded from the Oakville Chamber of Commerce for Small Company of the Year for 2011, Factory Tile Depot is recognized and has an active membership with Terrazzo Tile & Marble Association of Canada (TTMAC), and Yellow Pages Canada filmed and edited a short video highlighting one of the locations. The video can be viewed on YouTube.

Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by FactoryTile (talk • contribs) 14:41, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The page did not indicate that the company was notable, and was borderline promotional. Please review WP:CORP for inclusion standards for companies, please review WP:COI for issues where you have a conflict of interest, and please remember that Wikipedia isn't an appropriate place for promotion of any kind.   Acroterion   (talk)   14:50, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

ANI
Your name is mentioned at ANI in the new section Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents that I just started. --Orlady (talk) 17:53, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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MindFreakers Networking - Help : RE
Helllo again, I want to publish my networking information on Wiki but i am kind of newbie to Wikipedia. Please help in supporting and posting up the information and keeping it on. It somekind gets deleted everytime.

Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgulati31 (talk • contribs) 07:31, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It's being deleted because it's advertising. Replied on user's talkpage.  Acroterion   (talk)   11:30, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Coal scrip neutrality
Hey, I created coal scrip as a netral POV and a reality shot of the politically ridden company scrip article. It now has neutraility and fact trags on it...HOW? The whole artcile is quotes from Edkins and a few verbs. If you coukd look at this and tell me how I am not being neutral, let me know, ANYTHING you say, will be taken as purely instructional, but I am a tad stuckCoal town guy (talk) 01:18, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd ask Jorgath and Sarah Stierch directly what they saw that concerned them. I don't see any major problems: it needs expansion and more references, but I see no issue with neutrality. This appears to be one of the outcomes of the new page triage "feature," which encourages tag-bombing articles under development.  Acroterion   (talk)   01:34, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I did so. Jorgath says its a stub, I agreed and asked what would have him agree to a neutral POV, perhaps a Websters reference to what a monopoly is? Coal town guy (talk) 01:42, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Could you please justify speedy deletion of page insistent IT systems?
Since insistent IT systems is a private company registered with Govt. of India and is serving clients across India and one from Africa, it has enough notability and has to have a wikipedia page. I don't know the reasons why the article was deleted but could I get a chance to recover it and complete it according to guidelines if there are any shortcomings? Thanks Irshad Alam Shaikh (talk) 02:46, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:CORP: the article made no indication that the company was notable: i.e., that it had received significant notice in major third-party publications. Registration in India and service in Africa are not indications of notability.  Articles focusing on the company in newspapers and magazines are. I can place the content in a sandbox in your userspace for you to develop if you wish, remembering that Wikipedia does not permit promotion or advertising, and that editors with conflicts of interest must obey the WP:COI guidelines. Wikipedia is also a poor way of implementing SEO, since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags.   Acroterion   (talk)   02:52, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for writing to me. As far as notability is concerned, there are some publications in newspapers and some websites. I will search for them and include them with reference. As you said, please put the article in my sandbox so that I can redevelop it. Thanks. Irshad Alam Shaikh (talk) 23:16, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Will do: I'm fixing dinner right now and it will be a little while before I have a chance to do it. 23:18, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

ThanksIrshad Alam Shaikh (talk) 06:40, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Comment
I realize you don't like to be wrong, but all you have to do is look this information up by going to" Journal of the House "to verify the facts that were inserted into the History of the OKC Bombing, this a third party entry into the history books by the Kansas Legislature ! You deleted my edits on the OKC Bombing and now realized they are the facts ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by HardnoseMP (talk • contribs) 12:12, 24 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Please re-read my comment: you may not insert your own research or give yourself credit for a given subject on Wikipedia. You've been placing editorial commentary about your own role in the events into the encyclopedia article, which is disruptive to the article and to the encyclopedia. As you have recently been advised, you must use the article talkpage to make a convincing case for inclusion that gains the support of other editors: this includes establishing whether the material is given appropriate weight in the article, or whether its inclusion places undue weight on a peripheral topic. The issue was never about whether or not it was true: it was about your personal conflict of interest in inserting material that credited yourself with a role in the investigation.     Acroterion   (talk)   12:17, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Help please...that Assassination of Abraham Lincoln - IP editor
The 92.15.134.xx/92.15.156.xx/92.15.17x.xx/etc editor is persisting on adding unsourced assertions to the article. I would revert these unsourced assertions (yet again) but think that it is possible I would then somehow run afoul of 3RR. I would report this but not sure which Noticeboard such a report would go to (I am going ahead and requesting a semi-protection so if granted that will help.) Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 17:51, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've semi-protected and l;eft a note on the RFPP page and the latest IP talkpage. I'm trying a different approach than revert-on-sight-and-block, but I'm losing optimism.   Acroterion   (talk)   18:23, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah... Made me sad to even request Semi-protection, this editor seemed to have finally been responding/listening a little bit (see this and this), but their constant drumbeat of unsourced edits was disruptive.  Anyway, thanks. Shearonink (talk) 18:33, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I think their heart's in the right place so I'm trying to counsel them to take it slowly, but we need to demand patience and competence (in terms of compliance with WP policy). Lincoln's been dead almost 150 years: we have time to assemble the sources and discuss changes.   Acroterion   (talk)   19:08, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thomas Kaplan
Hi. As you know from editing the article, Kaplan is a billionaire powerbroker. What is not addressed in the article are a number of important and noteworthy controversies in his past. I attempted to add some of these, each with strong citations, to the Thomas Kaplan article. Less than 3 minutes later they were undone. Can you help? If you would please take a look at the facts that I researched and wrote about, I'm sure you'll agree with me that they belong in this Wikipedia article. I'll check back here for your reply. Thanks! - Susb1983 (talk) 20:28, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Who? No, I don't know: I just reverted an abusive user who has a habit of tagging everybody of vaguely Jewish affiliation. In any case, the reasons for your revert were enumerated by the editor who reverted:. Please review WP:BLP and note that blogs are unacceptable as references on Wikipedia, and that anything controversial needs to be better sourced and referenced than that.   Acroterion   (talk)   20:33, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you take a look at my edits? The blog is just housing a legal court document. Even without that citation, and the facts associated with it, there are numerous other facts that I also listed that should be told. Can you take a look? Susb1983 (talk) 20:37, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I did. While that article is no gem, your edits seem intended primarily to cast aspersions. The third item appears to be only tangentially related to the subject. We expect that negative information about living individuals be solidly sourced, which means that they are derived from significant coverage in prominent secondary sources. That rules out court documents, which are primary sources,and which are vulnerable to interpretation. Blogs are not acceptable sources. Again, please read WP:BLP: it establishes a high bar. Please use the article talk page, and remember that BLP applies throughout Wikipedia, so you need to be frame your discussion in terms of appropriate sources.   Acroterion   (talk)   20:41, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, this is so helpful. Last question: what do you think about just using the first bullet (with the forbes citation) and fourth bullet (with the wsj citation). These are two strong facts with strong footnotes, no? Susb1983 (talk) 20:54, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The first was written a bit informally: most people involved in lawsuits would consider them "brutal," and we try to avoid adding descriptive adjectives like that. Most successful businessmen have been involved in litigation at some point, so it needs to be shown that this is noteworthy. The last lacks context. With good sourcing, they could be mentioned in a neutral manner. This should all be floated on the article talkpage and the editor who reverted you should be notified: I'm not here to pass judgment on the final acceptability, only to advise you on appropriate sourcing and policy.   Acroterion   (talk)   21:01, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of Meghan Moon.
Dear sir or madam

I apologize for the creation of the Meghan Moon page. It was a joke and I should not be wasting your time.

Thanks in advance Thomas


 * No problem, carry on.  Acroterion   (talk)   22:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Page : Perry's Gay
Did you delete it due to "swear" swords? because I can make it with less. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dustyn214 (talk • contribs) 02:41, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I deleted it because it was pure, unsourced defamation.  Acroterion   (talk)  

Beatles copyvios
Just thought I'd leave you a note about the Russian Beatles song sockpuppeteer. Here, he openly admitted to me that he is a troll, and is only out to waste our time. You should flat-out ignore any of his OTRS tickets and request other OTRS volunteers to do the same. Cheers. WilliamH (talk) 16:55, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, can't say I'm shocked. I'm not an OTRS volunteer, so you should disseminate  the information through the mailing list: I've only tried to deal with their on-wiki antics.   Acroterion   (talk)   17:14, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

MindFreakers Networking - Help : RE : RE
Hello again, I am not advertising, i am thinking to put up why i was published and why the company was formed i am making a wiki to give all history which has not been put up anywhere else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgulati31 (talk • contribs) 11:23, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

My page was deleted instantly
I have attempted to create a page multiple times about my dog training book series that I am currently working on, however the instant I click save and go to search for my page to see if it's functioning it is deleted by you. This is another struggle I do not need in addition trying to finish and get my books published. Please stop deleting this page that is a credible source of information about a book of which I am the author.

Thank you for your understanding Blake Habib (Blake1011)

P.S. The name of the page I am trying to create is Blake Habib's Dog Training Book Series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.39.10 (talk) 00:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

.:Yes, I saw it. You seem to be trying to use Wikipedia as a way of promoting the book, which isn't appropriate, and your article appeared to be vandalism in addition to a way of getting people to contact you.  Acroterion   (talk)   00:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

no i was letting them know the info of the book i had no means to use Wikipedia as advertisement. I did not know having people contact you is wrong if i don't include that part will i be able to proceed in my writing of my wiki page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.39.10 (talk) 20:29, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't see any part of the article as it was written that could be kept: honestly, it didn't appear to make sense. Can you provide the publisher. ISBN number, date, etc.? If it's something you've published on the web, then it is unlikely to survive: see WP:NOTE and WP:WEB. Even if published by a regular publisher it would have to be shown to have received significant notice.   Acroterion   (talk)   20:43, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Support Innovations
Hm, a little hasty there. I have just re-written this to take out the promotion, there is no problem with context. Try to give a few minutes to rescue this article, where the poor author probably doesn't know whether he's coming or going. Rich Farmbrough, 03:34, 28 August 2012 (UTC).


 * I saw that. I appreciate your efforts to interact with the user and to try to salvage the article. What I didn't see was any indication that the subject was notable, nor did I turn up sources that did so. Try to assume that I'm using appropriate diligence: this is obviously someone writing about a worthy cause that is, unfortunately, below the bar for inclusion.   Acroterion   (talk)   11:39, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes I agree, I could not turn up evidence of notability. There is an interesting dilemma in that removing apparently promotional wording I may have removed claims to notability, I'm thinking of the phrase "unlike other organizations".  I should probably have put an  template, then after a little more work, moved it to userspace (where no doubt it would have languished).   Rich Farmbrough, 18:40, 28 August 2012 (UTC).


 * I've undertaken similar projects with similar results. Every now and then I find something submitted as promotion by a COI editor that looks like it could make a decent article, but I can't get sources. I've had occasional success with such editors in getting them to help out offline sources or with obscure on-line material, but the success rate's been poor. More often I find obviously useful articles tagged for deletion that shouldn't be: conversation pit was one such, and I had a surprisingly difficult time sourcing it.   Acroterion   (talk)   18:47, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Generally (but not always) I can get articles that I think have a chance up to notability - I hadn't fully given up on this one, but I suspect it would have been a true WP:NOTYET. Funnily enough I am familiar with your work on conversation pit (I rather think I went off to find sources myself, and failed to locate anything you hadn't).  Rich Farmbrough, 02:52, 30 August 2012 (UTC).


 * I was frustrated with that one: if I was close to a university architecture library I could have done a better job, but conversation pits are creatures of the pre-internet age, and there's not much to be had online. Since I was a child in a much groovier time (we had conversation pits in my sixth-grade school, which was touted as cutting-edge design), I was familiar with the concept.  I'm pretty sure one appears somewhere in an old Woody Allen movie. I was interested to learn that the Dutch love them. I would think they'd all fill up with water ...   Acroterion   (talk)   12:06, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Purple meteorite
is a brand name for a watch, and the age given in the article of 14 billion years is the age of the universe - the oldest thing found in the solar system is about 4.5 billion. Peridon (talk) 17:01, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the age claim was what caught my eye: I figured it was a meteorite dealer, an fruitful field for puffery and occasional fraud.  Acroterion   (talk)   17:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

DoyenMed
Recently I created a new Wikipage for DoyenMed. The pupose of the page is to let people understand what DoyenMed is. There is no advertizement to this company because the company isn't funtional at this time. The page was intended to be similar to the Wikipages for apple inc and microsoft. I'm looking for some clarification as to the reason for the deletion and how I can correct the page so it is acceptable for Wikipedia. Thank you

PAHmaternity (talk) 07:05, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The version I deleted was clearly intended as promotion; whether the company yet exists or doesn't make it any less promotional, but it does mean that the organization fails to meet the notability standards for companies, so it was deletable on both promotional and notability grounds.
 * "Our extraordinary network of exceptional medical leaders ..."
 * "DoyenMed, driven to succeed in pursuit of unsurpassed medical solutions..."
 * "Harnessing its Doyens’ knowledge and expertise, this online source of medical opinions is positioned to become the most trusted and authoritative source of medical information to guide individuals."
 * That's not advertising? I don't see language like that at Apple, Inc. or Microsoft, which have the advantages of existence and enormous size as well. Please read WP:SPAM and WP:CORP for more information. Since you have a clear conflict of interest, please read also WP:COI.  Acroterion   (talk)   11:34, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Request for block adjustment on User:Jakemason71
Hello, two days ago you blocked for one week. Not long after you blocked that user, account was created and it immediately started creating articles on the same subjects that Jakemason71 was editing, including various capitalizations of "British Family" and "Congresbury Skate Park". I was wondering if it was possible to WP:DUCK block Jake Mason 1 as a sock, or if I need to formally report this at WP:SPI. Also in light of this note you left for Jakemason71 I was wondering if you could extend the block on that account to indefinite. Thanks. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 15:46, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw that Scientizzle had tagged their userpage as a sock, but had not blocked them. Since they've started doing the same thing as the original account did, I've blocked the alternate account indefinitely.  They can use the original account when its block expires, as long as they edit appropriately.   Acroterion   (talk)   17:53, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Understood - thanks. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 19:03, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! Mr. Par is doing his best to wear out his welcome. Apparently he's not received the memo about WP not being a social network.
 * Saw your Lists of Awesomeness: I was planning on adding links back and forth to the equivalent county NRHP lists, since there's some overlap and the topics will be of interest to similar audiences.  Acroterion   (talk)   18:01, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for lending a hand on my talk page, too! —  Jeff G. ツ (talk)   02:30, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
 Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 02:05, 31 August 2012 (UTC) 02:05, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXVII, August 2012
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The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)
Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page. In this issue: Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->
 * Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
 * Research: The most recent DR data
 * Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
 * Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
 * DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
 * Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
 * Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 18:46, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

John Sevier Marker
Hey Acroterion, I was wondering if had a picture of (or known of one) of the John Sevier historical marker in New Market, Virginia. A user has asked on WP:VIRGINIA's talk page. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 20:47, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't, but we were planning on going in that direction a little later in the year, and I can try to get a shot of it for them. If it's on Route 11 I should be able to find it.  Acroterion   (talk)   20:49, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * A Google Maps link can be found at the bottom of this page for an exact location (GPS cords as well). I linked to two seperate images (one from the Commonwealth of Virginia's Department of Historic Resources) for the user to use.  I suggested the one from the state would have the least amount of copyright problems until you get a picture up on Commons later this year. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 21:10, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Antichrist
Hello, why you deletedmy contribution and why you say there was no source? I mentioned the sources were from the bible and the quran! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mac4best (talk • contribs) 21:13, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Your contribution was your personal interpretation of the Bible and the Quran, which isn't acceptable on Wikipedia. You need to refer to secondary sources: in other words, what scholars (or at least in this case, notable commentators) have said.   Acroterion   (talk)   23:56, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
I've always appreciated your deletion rationales, and just wanted to let you know that they aren't falling upon deaf ears... in particular,


 * 20:22, August 28, 2012 Acroterion (talk | contribs) deleted page How to get your friend a date (Wikipedia isn't a place to advise your friends on dating)

Couldn't have said it better myself. ;)

 Theo polisme  00:40, 6 September 2012 (UTC) <br style="clear: both"/>


 * Thanks: what's the point of Ignoring All Rules if you can't use an appropriate edit summary?  Acroterion   (talk)   00:52, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Article : re: resurrection
The edit regarding the comparisons between Justin Martyr's writing on the resurrection of the historical figure of Jesus Christ and those of other contemporary religions has been well-documented, beyond that which is obvious to the average reader. Should the editor require references ( beyond those available In the public domain), We will be happy to provide and bookmark them. Please note that the edit made was not motivated by a particular religious or nonreligious sentiment. Based on the exclusion of this edit and other similar recent edits, there is concern that Wikipedia entries regarding religious subjects are not being given subjective review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuzzygreenballs (talk • contribs) 20:44, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * My apologies: it wasn't vandalism (we're having a wave of vandalism activity), but it did appear to be your opinion, rather than a referenced discussion. Note that such analysis needs to be referenced. Please provide references for statements of opinion.  Acroterion   (talk)   20:51, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Military history coordinator election
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Historical Fact Defamatory?
Hi Acroterion, thanks for the heads up regarding the Yumi Stynes page. I do actually live in the same country as the subject of that page and have a varying perspective to you, obviously. I felt the page failed to make an accurate account of the controversy surrounding the subject's insulting comments about a national war hero and the susequent cancelling of the program she presented. I must say I take offence to your comments describing my edits as poorly referenced and defamatory. I would definitely consider that to be of your own uninformed opinion. I have amended my wording (though you have completely deleted everything I have added) and elected to not bring up anything of her controversies in her Personal Life section. I do understand if you choose to have me blocked, as it hasn't been the first time I have been blocked for next to no reason. As you can see, I'm still here and may become a relentless pest if provoked. Just a heads up :) Tables n chairs (talk) 03:36, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for confirming my suspicions. You gain no special privileges by being in the same country as the person you wish to defame in violation of Wikipedia policy, and I support Stephen's block.  If this happens again there will be no warnings.   Acroterion   (talk)   11:37, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Indian Old Fields KY
Hey- I took a stab at this with actual references and correct spellings of the tribe. I got the pink notification saying it had been deleted long ago by you so, I wanted you to take a look. Its NON original and referenced. IF thats OK by you? Please do let me know. I am starting to provide references to all KY and WV articles lacking themCoal town guy (talk) 02:24, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The version I deleted was a lengthy and detailed discussion of the place that was, unfortunately, a copyright violation from here .  Acroterion   (talk)   02:37, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * So, is this article cool? I will abide by any decision you make, I am still learning and want to do moreCoal town guy (talk) 02:41, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, looks fine to me.  Acroterion   (talk)   02:52, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Iphone
Okay! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.108.255.155 (talk) 14:10, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

That IP we both have been dealing with
has just now posted something quite interesting on my talk. Shearonink (talk) 15:20, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Umm, okay. For the sake of form I'd best report that to the Foundation.  Acroterion   (talk)   15:25, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Already done, just wanted to update you on the situation. I've also filed a RPP for the Assassination article that the IP attempted to delete from the RPP page. Shearonink (talk) 15:32, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * That is copied with some alteration from "The Final Confession of Jack the Ripper" (e.g ). A wee bit more poetic than the usual IP bluster; I had to look it up. Antandrus  (talk) 15:35, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I found it too and updated the Foundation contact person.  Acroterion   (talk)   15:37, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Fun times again. Shearonink (talk) 20:59, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Why you delete my page
Hello,

We create a page about our company, I found you delete my page, why?, Every hosting company has wikipedia profile , So why not us?

Please provide why u delete our page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manoj088880 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Why delete my page from wiki, Every hosting company has profile on wiki, so why we can't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manoj088880 (talk • contribs) 16:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * MicroHosting was deleted for "A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content". Why is the subject of that article important or significant? See also WP:COI.  —  Jeff G. ツ  (talk)   02:42, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

2602:30B:8224:4A69:CC8D:CD2F:4191:C381
Are you sure you blocked the right IP? I see no vandalism from it, and its sole edit appears to be constructive.--Jasper Deng (talk) 02:48, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Definitely: they tripped edit filter #58: see WP:EF/R. They're being blocked on sight due to the continuing attempts to disrupt.  Acroterion   (talk)   02:54, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I looked at the edit filter log but I forgot that it's a bug that IPv6 addresses don't turn up any results when searched for in the abuse log.--Jasper Deng (talk) 02:56, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Didn't know that: you have to check the individual filter logs, I guess. Maybe two dozen accounts and IPs have been nabbed since the weekend.  Acroterion   (talk)   02:59, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * For future reference, see 39449. Individual IPv6 address' abuse log (when clicking "edit filter log" in contribs) was blank.--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

My company page is getting deleted
Hello, Why the page I am creating is getting deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.241.234.68 (talk) 13:54, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know, what page did you create? IPs can't create articles, so I can't tell what your account created. However, generally articles on companies are deleted because they contain no credible assertion of notability, or because they're advertising or promotion.   Acroterion   (talk)   13:56, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

You've got mail!
Shearonink (talk) 21:11, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Crolf
I was looking at Articles for deletion/Crolf (2nd nomination) and to my surprise, I found that there are a number of reliable sources about "crolf". These sources don't correspond at all to the WP:MADEUP content of the article you speedied, and I agree with its deletion, but since you closed the AfD before I had a chance to post about the potential sources, I did want to leave you a note about them in case someone ever wants to write a properly sourced article. Best, --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:10, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree: the speedy deletion deals with the content in place, no bar to re-creation of a sourced article. The old content was effectively the same as the material that had been G4'd, no sources, and written as if it was all a new idea.  It's sometimes astounding how much people think alike, and I'm not startled that someone's formalized "crolf."   Acroterion   (talk)   00:15, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Little Rock Police Department
On this page, I carefully typed a table of slain policemen. I would be more proud of myself if someone could help me understand why the table keeps falling to the bottom. Also, my attempt at an asterix failed when it became a bullet. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 04:33, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no idea why that's doing that, but I'm no expert itn wiki-layout. Generally, typed asterisks become bullets; you need to insert it from the "Math and logic toolbar (usually below the edit screen) like so ∗. If you want it as a superscript you do ∗.   Acroterion   (talk)   12:07, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

W3leaf - Deletion
Hi there, Could you please explain me why did you delete the latest article on w3leaf? In the summary I mentioned "It has been recreated with non promotional content". Could you also help me understand what should I do to avoid further deletions?

Thanks, Ven — Preceding unsigned comment added by New131109 (talk • contribs) 02:06, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * It's not notable, which was noted in the deletion discussion that just closed: see Articles for deletion/W3leaf.com. The version I deleted contained no improvement that would indicate a reason to change the deletion discussion outcome. Please read WP:WEB for more on notability for websites.  Acroterion   (talk)   02:35, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I want it back.
I think that it is a worthy page an I want it back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.38.83.150 (talk) 04:01, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Which page?--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:03, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * As Jasper Deng notes, we can't tell which page you want back when you edit logged out.  Acroterion   (talk)   12:21, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

He is back
Our editor who does not communicate with me is back. However, another admin has let them know that the edits of removing US from the lead sentence is disruptive.......BUT, Hushpuckena (sp?) refuses to communicate with me, AGAIN....Coal town guy (talk) 11:05, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added my note below Nyttend's note.  Acroterion   (talk)   12:19, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Stop edit my Prest framework articele!

 * Stop removing the AfD template: if you do it again, you'll be blocked.  Acroterion   (talk)   17:24, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

THE PERFECT THREE MAKE PERFECT THREE MAKE THE PERFECT THREE MADE BY MASTER ATOMIC PARTICAL ONE ATOM IS IN CONTROL OF EXZISTANCE GOD: )
hay man can i have my page back please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrickisforevernowandthen (talk • contribs) 16:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No.  Acroterion   (talk)   18:20, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

thanks
yah it 7 string 9 string 8string 8 string 4 string ostring 0string 1string 9string 8string thanks dude i got to workit all out sill got to figure out my other two theres but one is devel and the other is u a me human  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrickisforevernowandthen (talk • contribs) 17:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion for Hot Wheels real-life car inspiration guide
I always check Google images for pictures of cars before adding that car to the list. Another thing I check for is the year. If the Hot Wheels car was made before the real car, then I would not add it. Also I'm using direct text evidence and hint from the car's name before I add it to the list. For example, Overboard 454 is a 1972 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 because of name and overall looks. Deora II is a 1996 Ford Taurus Station Wagon because of outright text on the Hot Wheels Wiki that the designer, Nathan Proch, that he built it with that car's chassis.High-Powered Z-Tek (talk) 02:11, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * You're going to need a published source, not your original research. See WP:NOR, and for citeable sources you'll need to supply the cites.  You appear to be soliciting guesses, which isn't appropriate.   Acroterion   (talk)   02:57, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Page Curation newsletter
Hey. I'm dropping you a note because you used to patrol new pages. This is just to let you know that we've deployed and developed Page Curation, which augments and supersedes Special:NewPages - there are a lot of interesting new features if you want to get back into the swing of patrolling :). There's some help documentation here if you want to familiarise yourself with the system and start using it. If you find any bugs or have requests for new features, let us know here. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 12:10, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Dunch
Hello Acroterion. I've tried to create a Dunch surnames page, but the title seems to be protected. Yours was the last name in a trail of article deletion records. I have created a page Dunch (surname) which you can verify is bona fide, but the page really should be called Dunch. When I try to move my page to Dunch, I get the message "You cannot move a page to this location, because the new title has been protected from creation". Any chance you could move the page for me or unprotect it so I can move it? Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 09:01, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've moved it for you: there was a spate of nonsense articles on that spot four years ago, the last of which ... well, you really don't want to know. I like your version much better.   Acroterion   (talk)   12:02, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hebrides (talk) 13:35, 25 September 2012 (UTC)