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Beezid request for un-protection
Hello Acroterion, I've been working on a new page for the company "Beezid' which can be found here. I've been working with a few editors to get the page into good shape and it appears to be ready to be accepted. However Beezid has been create blocked. The policy here appears to be that I should contact the admin who initiated the create-block to have it rescinded. I've looked through the list and although there were other admins involved in the process more recently than you, you are the only one who has not retired. I'd like to request that the create block be removed from Beezid so that my article can be published. --Mathieu.dubuc (talk) 18:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

You rejection on Vandalism report
Thanks for looking into it. Why do you say it is not WP:VANDAL. It clearly says "inserting obvious nonsense into a page" is a cause for WP:VANDAL. THIS is what these users are doing by modifying the facts. It is against Wikipedia:NPOV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RamanujaDasa (talk • contribs) 17:51, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You have a content dispute, and you're trying to paint those who disagree with you as vandals. Stop doing that and use the article talkpage to calmly and considerately discuss the content with other editors. At a brief glance, you appear to be inserting biographical information with no source, which is usually grounds for rejection.  Acroterion   (talk)   17:59, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Sarkeesian

 * The Anita Sarkeesian page needs to be written to provide a neutral point of view, which I hope you would espouse as a member of Wikipedia, an informational encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fjaoaoaoao (talk • contribs) 18:33, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Your constructive input is welcome on the article's talkpage, bearing in mind that the topic is subject to close scrutiny and that WP:BLP applies to every part of Wikipedia. That article has seen many violations of that policy and malicious editing.   Acroterion   (talk)   19:02, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This "neutral point of view" invariably involves unveiled negative criticism about the person and the projects they work on. Liz  Read! Talk! 02:07, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Protection request
Looks like my user page might need protection, too, now. Can you help me with that? Rray (talk) 23:02, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Certainly. Indefinitely semi-protected.  Acroterion   (talk)   00:12, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

69.62.189.111
Please look at the editing history there istwo months of vandalism on this IP. This should be a longer block. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 00:15, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed, blocked for six months since it seems to be static.  Acroterion   (talk)   00:52, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXII, July 2015
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List of Law Enforcement Agencies in ...
I perceive you are quite busy as you have not been very active of late. But once again I come to you to ask for Adult Guidance. On my talk page several editors have taken exception to my adding of cites to the sort of pages in the title. I have been doing it for some time and my earlier edits are not as good as my more recent ones.

But, I am sorry to say these editors are concerned about many different issues and so it seem impossible to make them all happy. One says such lists ought not to have cites at all. Another says that using newspaper articles that report misconduct is bias. One tells me that nothing but official webs sites may be used as cites.

I am giving the whole thing a rest as I fear I am being led into argument. Please take a look at my talk page and tell me if I am being a jerk, and perhaps provide me guidance on how to proceed. Unless you are on vacation, in which case this will wait. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 15:45, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Got a bit of shopping going on now. Three editors have taken exception with PaulinSaudi's edits.  He's been adding nearly exclusively negative content about law enforcement to list articles in the form of references.  Nearly every reference added for a police station is some negative material about police misconduct at that station.  PaulinSaudi has resisted ideas such as official websites as well as state registries to use as cites.  The concern is that adding only cites to negative material is a COATRACK and UNDUE weight for those police stations.  Since the insutaiton by Paul is that the three of us who have raised this issue aren't adults, I'll leave this in your 'adult' hands.  But I'm seeing a real CIR issue here (unlinked for obvious reasons).--v/r - TP 06:11, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Please excuse me. Perhaps I was typing too fast. I did not say any of the other editors were not adults. I asked you for adult guidance only for myself. Also, I am all for the use of official state lists. That is why I thanked an editor who found one. Other, perhaps most, states do not seem to have such lists. (New Jersey is a remarkable example.) In any case, rather than be led into upset, I am removing these list from my watchlist. As I was once told by someone, this simple trick leads to serenity. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 11:28, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * @TParis: Paul occasionally pops in to ask me for "adult guidance," as he consistently puts it. He's referring to himself, not others, please don't read something into it that's not there. Note: I've known Paul in real life since 1969 in 7th grade. Yes, we're that old, and yes, Paul is a competent adult who has trouble with Wikipedia's horrible interface for adding references. That's not his fault: I don't think serious WP users quite get how hard it is for relatively casual users to deal with the interface in general and references in particular, and how much of a barrier it is to a broad editing population. My wife has degrees in computer science and English and a technical writing background, and she's appalled by the whole thing. I have trouble with Excel, he has trouble with wikimarkup. He has taken an active role in removing unreferenced negative material from police department articles and is conscientious about referencing negative controversial material. He has been threatened by representatives of law enforcement organizations who objected to his removal of copyvio PR puffery, something I discussed with WMF Legal. I agree that the positive unreferenced material should be referenced too, but would place less urgency on that, as does policy.
 * @Paul, in general I would accept an official website as a useful reference for non-controversial material. As one goes farther down the food chain one would look more critically, but as you have seen, an overzealous employee can be a source of real problems for anything even remotely critical even in a big-city department. I have always had a concern that police articles tend to become coatracks for everybody with a gripe: we should be agrressive in trimming them down to the most noteworthy incidents while providing a consistent level of basic, referenced information.  Acroterion   (talk)   12:20, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Should every item in a list have a cite? (I would object to being called a casual editor, save that it is true (i.e. Philadelphia House of Correction. Those tricky using-one-cite-for several entires is beyond me. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 12:24, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, each statement should have a referenced cite, not a bare URL. Repetitive references should use named cites. I'll show you how when I have a chance, got to go to work now.  Acroterion   (talk)   12:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You're a relatively casual editor, at least compared to some folks.  Acroterion   (talk)   12:35, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Mail
You have new mail. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 20:20, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

"Massive fan" troll
I've blocked the 86.165.204.0/23 range for a couple of weeks. I know they have others, but that one has been used a lot. The only good edit from it that I found was from May. Bishonen &#124; talk 17:31, 26 July 2015 (UTC).
 * Thanks, I was doing my own analysis, but my IP range calculation skills are slow. I'm glad it's not IPv6. I may alter some of the durations for the peripheral targets after a while to make the IP have to work a little harder.  Acroterion   (talk)   17:35, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah.. unless they enjoy it more that way. You know "outwitting" The Man. My IP range calculation skills are nil, but my son has made me a mommy-tool (analogously to mommy-save). :-) Only for IPv4, though. I'm trying to persuade him to extend it to IPv6. Bishonen &#124; talk 18:04, 26 July 2015 (UTC).
 * They seem to have some pretensions that way. Me, I'm out cutting down the jungle that's sprouted in the yard with the wet early summer we've had and working on the house, which seems more productive.  Acroterion   (talk)   18:54, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, pretensions is right. I'm not sure it's worth bothering about — perhaps just revert and deny recognition — but anyway, I've posted the sleepers I found on AN. Long list. Bishonen &#124; talk 23:00, 26 July 2015 (UTC).

If you guys need a tool for rangeblocks, try: importScript('User:Future Perfect at Sunrise/rangeblock.js'); (In your vector.js). Adds a nice little dropdown to the block page that lets you expand any given individal IP into a surrounding range of any desired size. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:48, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Seemingly works for monobook too! :-) And thanks for pitching in with the blocking of the sleepers, Future.  Bishonen &#124; talk 14:25, 27 July 2015 (UTC).

User:39.115.165.137
You might want to look at the edits of this IP after you warned them. They made lots of changes to the numbers in building articles, with no edit summary or explanation of any sort. I have rolled back their edits, and informed them that I was doing so, on suspicion that they were vandalism as well. If so, they should probably be blocked. BMK (talk) 01:25, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * When I warned them they were falsifying statistics, so now they're blocked. Thanks for the note.  Acroterion   (talk)   03:04, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

208.31.49.59
Thanks for addressing the issue with. Just wanted to point out their last block (this past May, by checkuser) was a month in length; I doubt that 48 hours will matter much to them. Of course if, as they claim, they are using an open proxy it may not matter anyway.  General Ization  Talk   22:08, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was looking at that IP, it's not what I would expect for an open proxy, and my experience is that they'll move on to another anyway until they get bored.  Acroterion   (talk)   22:10, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Your call. Can we at least block Talk page access?  See .  .  . .  Thanks.  General Ization   Talk   22:13, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm in the middle of insulating the attic and just crawled out from under the eaves. I see Alexf got it.  Acroterion   (talk)   23:01, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

you got mail
 Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 12:50, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

How to study listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect How to study. Since you had some involvement with the How to study redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. GZWDer (talk) 15:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Navid Khiabani
Recreated as User:Factsheet. Looks like we may have some socks also. Doug Weller (talk) 11:35, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks, blocked as an obvious sockpuppet account.  Acroterion   (talk)   12:18, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I wonder where it will reappear. I found it inadvertently via a Google search. Doug Weller (talk) 14:11, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sure they'll show up again. At least userspace is noindexed. I've also blocked, an account created on 1 August, and whose only contributions have been to that userpage. There are a lot or Iranian IPs that have made edits to the Factsheet user page as well.  Acroterion   (talk)   17:35, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Userspace isn't noindexed. In fact we have special templates to add NOINDEX, see WP:NOINDEX. I wish it was as it gets used for fake articles, promotion, etc. Doug Weller (talk) 09:22, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Why is it wrong to ask if someone is Jewish?
It's nothing wrong with being a Jew and by God, I had probably thought a little about nazis too. At least if I were from Europe and old. I dubt it is posible to take that in any negative way. And it is kind of insulting for Jews to think it is wrong to ask what origin they have. It's not anything bad with being a Jew. Olehal09 (talk) 18:51, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It is impolite and inappropriate to ask editors about their personal identities on a website that embraces anonymity. Singling out any user for their presumed identity is utterly inappropriate. It approaches harassment and personal attack to try to link an editors' editing to a particular identity in a negative way or a way that implies bias. All of these statements are even more so if the identity in question is a stigmatized one.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 18:57, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No, that is extreme case of sensitivety. It is nothing wrong with being Jewish, and it is perfectly understandable to be conserned about nazism if you are jewish. Just as a mouse in conserned about cats. It is nothing wrong with being Jewish, Hindu, Christian, Budist or anything else. It is nothing wrong with being Norwegian, French or a Isralite. There are millions of these peoples, and you are not in danger of being exposed if you are known to be a Indian, Norwegian, German or Jew. Olehal09 (talk) 19:06, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Just noting that this editor has been indefinitely blocked. Doug Weller (talk) 09:25, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

I have reported the incident on white genocide talk page
Read it at: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. And say why you think my actions are wrong. Olehal09 (talk) 19:34, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Russian Orthodox Church sock/troll
Guy's back as User:James Pown 2222, same edits to Russian Orthodox Church as User:NAUM8844, the one you blocked a month ago. Tarc (talk) 12:59, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Mole whacked, thanks for spotting it.  Acroterion   (talk)   16:00, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Seven years in Georgia...
...is nothing. I got sevenTEEN years in Alabama, two in Tennessee, one in North Carolina. Funny, though, the things that we seem to take for granted, that we think everyone knows--see User_talk:Soham321. Years ago some friends came and visited me in Tuscaloosa, one of whom was named Coen, which is pronounced--well, like "coon". They thought it was going to be funny to call that name out loud in the supermarket. I did not accompany them to the supermarket, for obvious reasons. Drmies (talk) 04:04, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


 * , u dint sign your recent post on the relevant user's talk page. And the bot hasn't fixed it. I don't feel like interrupting your own talk page to alert you, but I have no compunction about interrupting Acroterion's talk page. Softlavender (talk) 06:45, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Hmm. In the late 70s when I was at Georgia Tech a friend and I went to a Braves game in my Beetle. We ran into four more-or-less-drunk acquaintances at the game who'd taken the bus and hadn't realized that the return bus wouldn't run at game's end. We jammed three in the back and two guys in the passenger seat, the drunkest in the next-drunkest's lap with his upper body out the window. I couldn't take the freeway back because a knee precluded fourth gear, and in any case the car wouldn't go past 40 with that load. We drove through the projects on surface streets with the drunk idiot yelling racist shit at people on street corners until we threatened to push the rest of him out the window and leave him.
 * On another occasion another friend and I went to Athens for the UGA-Tech game. My friend was unwisely black and wore a yellow Tech jacket. We walked around the end of the stadium next to the railroad trestle and were rewarded with a shower of track ballast from the people outside the fence on the tracks.  Acroterion   (talk)   18:03, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Ralphemil
Thanks. I really should have just issued an indefinite block after his racist attack - we should have zero tolerance for something so blatant. And of course be willing to unblock if we're convinced that it won't happen again. Doug Weller (talk) 09:09, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I think your only warning was the right thing to do: when they turned around and attacked you I felt that enough was enough. I'm not feeling really patient with hostile single-purpose accounts these days.  Acroterion   (talk)   02:09, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXIII, August 2015
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Personal attack
You accused me of making a "personal attack" against someone who was deleting legitimate edits, please show me this personal attack. Haitian STEVE (talk) 16:22, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Answered on their talkpage.  Acroterion   (talk)   16:34, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Regulatory sign
Who is blanking sections and adding signs that do not exist in other countries? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CEA2:4B00:F041:A772:DBFC:DB4D (talk) 01:05, 26 August 2015 (UTC)